I do think the community side of sky is great etc etc etc
But i don't understand where this ethos of 'poker should be accessible to all'.. I mean that is just ludacris (i'm not sure if that's the correct spelling, but that's how the rapper spells it).
Poker is cut throat, you play to take other peoples money and pay a cut to the platform that gives you the privelige.
If you can't afford the main event, unlucky. You either have to find the money from life, or get better at poker.
Sky offers plenty for al bankrolls and nobody has an entitlement to play in any poker tournaments. If sky persistently fails to offer a lower stakes player what they want then they can ultimately leave, but across the board sky looks after the small bankrolls.
There are alot more considerations for a site when looking at tourney schedules and as such not everyone can be happy all the time.
I do think the community side of sky is great etc etc etc But i don't understand where this ethos of 'poker should be accessible to all'.. I mean that is just ludacris (i'm not sure if that's the correct spelling, but that's how the rapper spells it). Poker is cut throat, you play to take other peoples money and pay a cut to the platform that gives you the privelige. If you can't afford the main event, unlucky. You either have to find the money from life, or get better at poker. Sky offers plenty for al bankrolls and nobody has an entitlement to play in any poker tournaments. If sky persistently fails to offer a lower stakes player what they want then they can ultimately leave, but across the board sky looks after the small bankrolls. There are alot more considerations for a site when looking at tourney schedules and as such not everyone can be happy all the time. Posted by pr1nnyraid
+1 to this overall post btw
Option C in highlighted bits is sats. You can qualify for Nottingham from £3.60 and Primo for £2.64. Im sure a sat to a £33 event will be even less. thats affordable even for me.
Poker is a cut throat world, Simply on another site the ME is $200, not sure what that converts to but its a lot more than what we have.
Just my opinion and im a satelette or not playing guy, br and my logic. How many live events will you play in any local casino for less than £33 ? Posted by The_Don90
It's well known that buy-ins tend to be large live though, most people aren't going to drive a to a casino to play a £2 BH where they might take it for £30.
But it's like saying, 'when was the last time you played 2p/4p cash live?' so let's get rid of that too lol.
well ty u all for your points some i like some i dont but ty all But i still think that is is wrong that it goes up 50% and there is no added fund to the ppool. And on the point from sky dave that it is only tusday and wednesday is a bit odd because that monday and thruday and saturday is allready £33 any way so the only 2 that are not are sunday at £55 and friday being £11 rebuy.
In Response to Re: £33 mains : It's well known that buy-ins tend to be large live though, most people aren't going to drive a to a casino to play a £2 BH where they might take it for £30. But it's like saying, 'when was the last time you played 2p/4p cash live?' so let's get rid of that too lol. Posted by Lambert180
Yes but sky need to compete with the market of live players. I mean if i had a BR like some do, and my choice was an £11 tourny where i could win £1000 or i could go to a live, probably softer tourny have a social night and win the same for £33 i know what id choose. And sorry but it aint the £11 one.
Yes i admit i dont have a BR, but as i said i can sat in for little. I challenge you to look at the tournament lobby at 8am tomorrow morning look at the full day and look at how many tournaments are avalible above £11. Ill think youll find that us lower staked players are very well catered for.
I play at a level where I will play Buy ins up to £20 on line. I am out Wednesdays so only play the main Event on Tuesdays & Fridays.
I have enjoyed playing the Main Event on a Tuesday & enjoy playing on SKY, partly because you can feature on TV in a £20 event. I suspect that there will be less players now on Tuesdays & Wednesdays although there will be some that creep back over the months while other will move to other sites. I always thought that the varying buyins for the Main Events meant that more players could access them without tying themselves up for hours in satelites.
If SKY are so confident that £30 on a Tuesday is such a good idea, why not put a £20 event & a £30 event on at the same time & see which provides the most revenue. Probably they will have done this. Business don't just raise prices by 50% without market testing it first.
One thing I have noticed over the last months is a growing hostility to SKY Poker & some of their decisions. I am not sure why this is but it is something that I have not been aware of until recently. I am sure that SKY are aware of this too so I am surprised if they took this decision without making community members aware of it in advance (I totally missed it). It was only after I had entered last night that I realised that the price had gone up. I was trying to work out why there were so few players. Good job I cashed then.
I think a spin off effect of the reduced numbers may be reduced viewers for the TV show particularly on a Tuesday night. There may be plenty of £20 tournaments & there may be plenty of £30 tournaments, I don't know. The only one I looked for was the 8.00 one because that was the only one I wanted to play.
On the point about prices at casinos. Walsall have now stopped all their high buyins. Their highest tournament of the month is now £30 with most nights at £15 or £20. They are looking to get more players in at lower buyins. Time will tell which strategy is right.
Although the majority of players seem to be upset with this move, experience has taught me that SKY don't get much wrong. People said that satelite TV would never take off. Look at it now.
For those asking about why the GTD prizepool didn't go up, it did, although not directly in line with the buy-in increase. I imagine - as do those on the numbers side of our business - that the guarantee will increase in the future. For now it's a case of being gently as it goes, but they're certainly aiming to get five-figure prizepools guaranteed within a couple of months. We're are still offering satellites into the mains, and the tournaments affected are only the Tuesday and Wednesday main events. Posted by Sky_Dave
EXCELENT NEWS! and as DOHHHHHH says everyone loves to jump on the lets kick out the lower stakes player bandwagon, theres still plenty of satelites, still plenty of chapea ways in. For heaven sake you can get into the SPT Grand final for £3! .
Its ok saying there are loads of sats but if u have to go to work ( which i think alot do) by the time u get home its to late ? But still my point is 50% on but in but no more on the prize pool
Think its disgraceful move by sky, us lower stakes players just arent being looked after, theres barely any tournies five pounds or below, 95% of the tournies on this site are way outta our bankroll... OH WAIT..
Its ok saying there are loads of sats but if u have to go to work ( which i think alot do) by the time u get home its to late ? But still my point is 50% on but in but no more on the prize pool Posted by bungle72
Hi sir if you look outdoors you will see the sun is shining, this means less people are going to play on sky, would would sky want to give money away with over priced gtds..
Problem you got is you cant have the main to small or the guarantee will have to come down this is the reason for them goin up to £33 as the guarantees aint bein met at £22 i guess
The only reason the friday rebuy usually smashes the gurantee is due to it bein a rebuy and having addons eg
If you had a main event £11 buy in guarantee would be £3k (300 runners) due to sky not having the traffic eg
Monday and thursday Bounty hunters are the only realistice field sizes as ppl love action and this is what they give.
As bolly pointed out yes you can satelitte in cheap eg but there are alot of players who play on sky for a living and they want the bigger buy in tournies
There are also plenty of tournies after the main evnt has started for £5.50 £11 buy ins eg if anything there is alot of smaller buy ins n not enough bigger buy ins
This is why im glas sky has brought in the 5pm £1k gtd and 6pm £1kbh for £33 buy ins these wer much needed
I think the guarantee is a red herring. To a lot of people that makes no difference as the guarantee is beaten in the main event over 95% of the time.
I thought that the £20 / £30 buy in Main Event bridged the gap between the majority of tournaments and the £100 Roller type events. I liked the varying buyins because it priced me in a couple of nights per week. Numbers will go up in September but I guess that Tuesday & Wednesday nights will be lower than a year ago. If instead of getting 300 runners, it drops to 200 runners then SKY will drop the buyin back to £20 because they want big numbers in the Main Event.
Over the years SKY have made quite a few mistakes but they have got a lot more things right. Also they are usually happy to admit when they get something wrong. Maybe the numbers on a Tuesday & Wednesday are less than on a Sunday?
Its ok saying there are loads of sats but if u have to go to work ( which i think alot do) by the time u get home its to late ? But still my point is 50% on but in but no more on the prize pool Posted by bungle72
This would be solved by any sats working on a Step/token basis where any seat gained for a £33 tournament could be used to enter any £33 tourny. Sats could then run later into the evening and used the folowing day or whenever player wants
In Response to Re: £33 mains : This would be solved by any sats working on a Step/token basis where any seat gained for a £33 tournament could be used to enter any £33 tourny. Sats could then run later into the evening and used the folowing day or whenever player wants Posted by mattless
Excellent idea. A lot of entries must be lost because players can't play in the exact tourny from a satelite.
well ty u all for your points some i like some i dont but ty all But i still think that is is wrong that it goes up 50% and there is no added fund to the ppool. And on the point from sky dave that it is only tusday and wednesday is a bit odd because that monday and thruday and saturday is allready £33 any way so the only 2 that are not are sunday at £55 and friday being £11 rebuy. Posted by bungle72
What I meant was that the Tues/Weds tourneys were the only two which had moved from £22 to £33. I imagine I'd have a hard time telling you guys that the Friday night rebuy had become £33!
Also, the prizepool did move from £5k to £6k. As I said in an earlier post, it's not proportionate to the buy-in increase, but that's where we aim to get the tournament eventually.
ah the old you can't please all of the people all of the time thing again,
Personally as I try to sat in for any mains I enter as I'm sure the majority do, don't really see the problem with regards to the increase, as to the Gtee's it's gonna be a matter of trial and adjust as it goes, think it's been mentioned on several threads before that due to various issues gtee's are tweaked at certain times throughout the year but i'm sure it will all work out in the end
When running a business, You have the right to ensure you are making money At ALL TIMES!!
Also if sensible, YOU MUST NEVER Ostracise any customers and consult, when possible, clients opinions!!
This is a juggling act, which is difficult, let alone in time of recession!!
In my humble opinion, I feel sky do this resonably well, but if they stand to lose a K or Two on a tournie, [FAK That, Cannot do], I can see why thay have to act immeidiatly!!
Also, when it hits the fan....AS HERE MAYBE....Leadership needs to be shown, and problems/complaints need to be addressed swiftly!! I have witnessed this done well, but sometimes have witnessed decisions being made without consultaion or advance notice with reasoning...as in the 30p DYM & Here!!
Shoot Me...But honesty to situations & explanations, seem to be preventitive to problems..
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But i don't understand where this ethos of 'poker should be accessible to all'.. I mean that is just ludacris (i'm not sure if that's the correct spelling, but that's how the rapper spells it).
Poker is cut throat, you play to take other peoples money and pay a cut to the platform that gives you the privelige.
If you can't afford the main event, unlucky. You either have to find the money from life, or get better at poker.
Sky offers plenty for al bankrolls and nobody has an entitlement to play in any poker tournaments. If sky persistently fails to offer a lower stakes player what they want then they can ultimately leave, but across the board sky looks after the small bankrolls.
There are alot more considerations for a site when looking at tourney schedules and as such not everyone can be happy all the time.
But it's like saying, 'when was the last time you played 2p/4p cash live?' so let's get rid of that too lol.
Personally im glad there are less runners i wouldnt play if they wer 400 player fields unless its a BH where the field drops dramatically so quick!
Thats why the mini was introduced for the lower stakes i only play this due to there bein a jackpot on offer
Im happy with it bein £22 or £33 either way its okay
some i like some i dont but ty all
But i still think that is is wrong that it goes up 50% and there is no added fund to the ppool.
And on the point from sky dave that it is only tusday and wednesday is a bit odd because that monday and thruday and saturday is allready £33 any way so the only 2 that are not are sunday at £55 and friday being £11 rebuy.
I have enjoyed playing the Main Event on a Tuesday & enjoy playing on SKY, partly because you can feature on TV in a £20 event. I suspect that there will be less players now on Tuesdays & Wednesdays although there will be some that creep back over the months while other will move to other sites. I always thought that the varying buyins for the Main Events meant that more players could access them without tying themselves up for hours in satelites.
If SKY are so confident that £30 on a Tuesday is such a good idea, why not put a £20 event & a £30 event on at the same time & see which provides the most revenue. Probably they will have done this. Business don't just raise prices by 50% without market testing it first.
One thing I have noticed over the last months is a growing hostility to SKY Poker & some of their decisions. I am not sure why this is but it is something that I have not been aware of until recently. I am sure that SKY are aware of this too so I am surprised if they took this decision without making community members aware of it in advance (I totally missed it). It was only after I had entered last night that I realised that the price had gone up. I was trying to work out why there were so few players. Good job I cashed then.
I think a spin off effect of the reduced numbers may be reduced viewers for the TV show particularly on a Tuesday night. There may be plenty of £20 tournaments & there may be plenty of £30 tournaments, I don't know. The only one I looked for was the 8.00 one because that was the only one I wanted to play.
On the point about prices at casinos. Walsall have now stopped all their high buyins. Their highest tournament of the month is now £30 with most nights at £15 or £20. They are looking to get more players in at lower buyins. Time will tell which strategy is right.
Although the majority of players seem to be upset with this move, experience has taught me that SKY don't get much wrong. People said that satelite TV would never take off. Look at it now.
But still my point is 50% on but in but no more on the prize pool
The only reason the friday rebuy usually smashes the gurantee is due to it bein a rebuy and having addons eg
If you had a main event £11 buy in guarantee would be £3k (300 runners) due to sky not having the traffic eg
Monday and thursday Bounty hunters are the only realistice field sizes as ppl love action and this is what they give.
As bolly pointed out yes you can satelitte in cheap eg but there are alot of players who play on sky for a living and they want the bigger buy in tournies
This is why im glas sky has brought in the 5pm £1k gtd and 6pm £1kbh for £33 buy ins these wer much needed
I thought that the £20 / £30 buy in Main Event bridged the gap between the majority of tournaments and the £100 Roller type events. I liked the varying buyins because it priced me in a couple of nights per week. Numbers will go up in September but I guess that Tuesday & Wednesday nights will be lower than a year ago. If instead of getting 300 runners, it drops to 200 runners then SKY will drop the buyin back to £20 because they want big numbers in the Main Event.
Over the years SKY have made quite a few mistakes but they have got a lot more things right. Also they are usually happy to admit when they get something wrong. Maybe the numbers on a Tuesday & Wednesday are less than on a Sunday?
When running a business, You have the right to ensure you are making money At ALL TIMES!!
Also if sensible, YOU MUST NEVER Ostracise any customers and consult, when possible, clients opinions!!
This is a juggling act, which is difficult, let alone in time of recession!!
In my humble opinion, I feel sky do this resonably well, but if they stand to lose a K or Two on a tournie, [FAK That, Cannot do], I can see why thay have to act immeidiatly!!
Also, when it hits the fan....AS HERE MAYBE....Leadership needs to be shown, and problems/complaints need to be addressed swiftly!! I have witnessed this done well, but sometimes have witnessed decisions being made without consultaion or advance notice with reasoning...as in the 30p DYM & Here!!
Shoot Me...But honesty to situations & explanations, seem to be preventitive to problems..
Good debate & GL ALL!!