It was my fiance's account, ask Sky to check the relevant details, but ultimately i don't care if people believe me or not. I was chat banned for 3 months for criticising the site when i was having disconnection issues so when i needed to post i got her to post for me. Which was once. The rest of the posts under her account were hers. Then i got donked off by someone so went on her account and had a rant. Probably shouldn't have done it but that's tilt for you. I also never played on this account as suggested by some that i 'needed to multi account in order to win'..LOL
And the small number of people slating this thread - being a small winning player myself i wanted comparisons with how well i'm doing compared to most other people. It's quite apparent that there are a few people here that are worried that players might reevaluate their games when they realise they lose money playing. To champion the forum as a great learning tool then come out with this is frankly laughable, however much of a 'reg' you are around here.
The thread also got people to give their back stories which i find helpful and interesting. If you think i'm 'bragging' about winning less than £2 an hour over the course of 15 months then you're very much mistaken. And i don't really care if you do. If you don't like me or this thread then don't post in it.
It was my fiance's account, ask Sky to check the relevant details, but ultimately i don't care if people believe me or not. I was chat banned for 3 months for criticising the site when i was having disconnection issues so when i needed to post i got her to post for me. Which was once. The rest of the posts under her account were hers. Then i got donked off by someone so went on her account and had a rant. Probably shouldn't have done it but that's tilt for you. I also never played on this account as suggested by some that i 'needed to multi account in order to win'..LOL And the small number of people slating this thread - being a small winning player myself i wanted comparisons with how well i'm doing compared to most other people. It's quite apparent that there are a few people here that are worried that players might reevaluate their games when they realise they lose money playing. To champion the forum as a great learning tool then come out with this is frankly laughable, however much of a 'reg' you are around here. The thread also got people to give their back stories which i find helpful and interesting. If you think i'm 'bragging' about winning less than £2 an hour over the course of 15 months then you're very much mistaken. And i don't really care if you do. If you don't like me or this thread then don't post in it. Posted by Pipunch
If you're referring to either of my posts then can I just clarify the following.
I haven't slated this thread, I gave my opinion. I say GIQ and the fact I find 'bragging unseemly' in terms of myself, I don't brag as a rule. You can probably. I don't like to see bragging in general but again this was my opinion.
You've crossed your wires a little between 'forum is a great learning tool' and 'not wanting some players know how much they are losing.' It is a great learning tool and I have spent more time than most helping players in both the Clinic and GPC. This isn't a learning thread though. I may not have taken the original post in a way it was intended but to me it just looks like 'tell us what you've won and tell us what you've lost.' I didn't read that as you being a small winner and wanting to compare to others, maybe that's my mistake or maybe the original post isn't clear enough.
I never accused you or anyone else of bragging.
And I have no problem with you or this thread. It's nice and sparky, sparky is good.
Now to put my own experience in comparison to yours making £2 an hour over the first 15 months is fine, I'd go as far to say it's pretty good these days. I was break even/small losing in MTTs here for 18 months/two years. It's all about learning and developing your game. If you're a small winner at the start it gives you a great foundation to develop your game and really kick on as you put the work into your game.
In Response to Re: How many of us are winning players? Truthfully. : If you're referring to either of my posts then can I just clarify the following. I haven't slated this thread, I gave my opinion. I say GIQ and the fact I find 'bragging unseemly' in terms of myself, I don't brag as a rule. You can probably. I don't like to see bragging in general but again this was my opinion. You've crossed your wires a little between 'forum is a great learning tool' and 'not wanting some players know how much they are losing.' It is a great learning tool and I have spent more time than most helping players in both the Clinic and GPC. This isn't a learning thread though. I may not have taken the original post in a way it was intended but to me it just looks like 'tell us what you've won and tell us what you've lost.' I didn't read that as you being a small winner and wanting to compare to others, maybe that's my mistake or maybe the original post isn't clear enough. I never accused you or anyone else of bragging. And I have no problem with you or this thread. It's nice and sparky, sparky is good. Now to put my own experience in comparison to yours making £2 an hour over the first 15 months is fine, I'd go as far to say it's pretty good these days. I was break even/small losing in MTTs here for 18 months/two years. It's all about learning and developing your game. If you're a small winner at the start it gives you a great foundation to develop your game and really kick on as you put the work into your game. Posted by TommyD
Thanks but i wasn't so much referring to you as to the people who blindly agree with you because of who you are. Your opinion is yours and i respect it. I don't respect others who've put me down because of a mistake i made and then give the air that what i say holds no weight because i'm a relative nobody round here.
In Response to Re: How many of us are winning players? Truthfully. : Thanks but i wasn't so much referring to you as to the people who blindly agree with you because of who you are. Your opinion is yours and i respect it. I don't respect others who've put me down because of a mistake i made and then give the air that what i say holds no weight because i'm a relative nobody round here. Posted by Pipunch
As far as I'm concerned what you say carries the same weight as anything I or anyone else says on the forum. And everyone makes mistakes, I've made plenty personal and pokerwise, you've sorted it out, done your time and it should be left behind now tbh.
And I do think this is a good thread and hope it continues, even if I hold the position I do. It's got people talking and as long as everyone shows everyone else respect it can be nothing but positive.
GIQ Seriously, I find bragging about wins to be tasteless and I don't want people who are break even/losing to either realise this or the extent of their losses. You'll be amazed how few people know the true extent of their profit/loss. The last thing anyone should want to do is shine a flashlight on it. Posted by TommyD
Agree with this to an extent. I post wins on here to kinda keep a record of what games im winning and what times of the week or month im winning them also i also post a win in the thread on 'Brags beats and varience' and i do Celebrate/Brag about them. I see nothing wrong in this or as you put it tasteless! why is it? If you feel proud or excited about a win then why not show it off to other players who are all involved in this beautiful and sometimes ugly game the point is winning and having fun doing it. Its a forum and as such Wins get posted or otherwise it would be a boring forum. Everyone knows your a winning player and make a living from it and are even on the telly if that aint the ultimate brag i dont know what is tommy lol
On the other hand i do wonder if it affects me too. Players can gain information from this also! But your completly right in the fact that i dont want losing players to know they are losing players thats what makes winning players winning players. The amount of times ive seen players showing in the chat box that a player is a losing player because it says so in sharkscope is in my mind the dumbest thing you can do! As that losing player then knows to go to that site see they are losing and stops playing maybe! why would you tell someone there a losing player or even openly admit it, i am in profit on this site not by much as i only play low stakes and i have also been a losing player in the past but improved on it. And overal im getting better and better and making small profits over time. Some losing players on the forum are here because they want to improve and get help to improve and not stay a losing or break even player, which i think is a good thing individualy but a bad thing for winning players maybe! Does it really effect you that much? If there wasnt a forum on sky for players to improve would you make more money?
either way i think if there a bad player most of them dont come on the forums and the ones that do and are bad at this game it dosnt matter how good you are even if you were Doyal brunson they would play the same against you so you have nothing to worry about.
Celebrating a win on BBV,on a diary or a forum thread - fine. Good even, that's what BBV is there for and diaries should reflect the massive highs as well as the crunching lows.
What I am referring to is people who would give advice or a comment and then punctuate this with 'and I should know, I've won £X, etc' or people who constantly refer to themselves as huge winners and so on. That I find tasteless, there's not so many on here but on some other forums past and present there were/are tons.
I worded my comment badly. Celebrating a win on BBV,on a diary or a forum thread - fine. Good even, that's what BBV is there for and diaries should reflect the massive highs as well as the crunching lows. What I am referring to is people who would give advice or a comment and then punctuate this with 'and I should know, I've won £X, etc' or people who constantly refer to themselves as huge winners and so on. That I find tasteless, there's not so many on here but on some other forums past and present there were/are tons. Posted by TommyD
i didnt think you meant what you said by saying that tommy lol. And complety agree with you. Some seem to be poker pros and arnt even winning and prob need help themselves. this i also find to be very daft thats why i stay out of the poker clinic these days as ive noticed this quite often. But i would take advice from you
I'm deffo a winning player through the years. Sharkscope has my MTT stats as 80% ROI which isn't too shabby. I've been hitting a rough patch for a while and struggling to consistently cash money out. I haven't put any money on the site however since 2007!
Cash is where I play most my poker at the moment now. I feel when variance isn't kicking me in the face then I make some decent money.
FWIW on the topic of bragging or not bragging. I like to see people put their winnings on, it's not bragging it's something to be proud of. If your child comes home from school and has done an amazing drawing and you put it on the fridge for everyone to see, is that bragging? No it's being proud of something they have achieved.
I am very proud of what I have achieved with poker on Sky, it's there for people to see, but people shouldn't be put down because of it or called a luckbox, sometimes this place feels like i've gone back in time and I'm back in the school playground where everyone has to put you down if you achieve something because they are jealous.
I'm deffo a winning player through the years. Sharkscope has my MTT stats as 80% ROI which isn't too shabby. I've been hitting a rough patch for a while and struggling to consistently cash money out. I haven't put any money on the site however since 2007! Cash is where I play most my poker at the moment now. I feel when variance isn't kicking me in the face then I make some decent money. FWIW on the topic of bragging or not bragging. I like to see people put their winnings on, it's not bragging it's something to be proud of. If your child comes home from school and has done an amazing drawing and you put it on the fridge for everyone to see, is that bragging? No it's being proud of something they have achieved. I am very proud of what I have achieved with poker on Sky, it's there for people to see, but people shouldn't be put down because of it or called a luckbox, sometimes this place feels like i've gone back in time and I'm back in the school playground where everyone has to put you down if you achieve something because they are jealous. Posted by FlashFlush
I'm deffo a winning player through the years. Sharkscope has my MTT stats as 80% ROI which isn't too shabby. I've been hitting a rough patch for a while and struggling to consistently cash money out. I haven't put any money on the site however since 2007! Cash is where I play most my poker at the moment now. I feel when variance isn't kicking me in the face then I make some decent money. FWIW on the topic of bragging or not bragging. I like to see people put their winnings on, it's not bragging it's something to be proud of. If your child comes home from school and has done an amazing drawing and you put it on the fridge for everyone to see, is that bragging? No it's being proud of something they have achieved. I am very proud of what I have achieved with poker on Sky, it's there for people to see, but people shouldn't be put down because of it or called a luckbox, sometimes this place feels like i've gone back in time and I'm back in the school playground where everyone has to put you down if you achieve something because they are jealous. Posted by FlashFlush
of course people can and should be proud of their achievements in life, but brandishing figures on a public forum thread to show everyone how good they are is a bit different to that imo, it's just showing off
Well, this has certainly become a 'sparky' thread, hasn't it?
I look at people's sharkscopes and a majority of graphs have a -ve gradient ie go downor stay level for about a 1000 games or so before they find their way/ strategies etc. To me that upturn is great but not essential. It's the knowledge that i'm improving my game COMBINED with the fact that i still love playing that means more.
As an example my most pleasing moments came from A) Getting to Survivor final 1st week on SKY never playing before(cost £1 payout £0...loss £1) b) Joining, scoring and getting my colours for Hitsquad then managing to win the overall monthly DTD. ( £5.10 per week ? probably loss made)
There was no massive cash figure involved and i also love playing Woogie's afternoon league when it all came down to the FT on the seventh day was fantastic. ( cost £2.20/day... loss made) We've had a good laugh at the tables in chat with no tilt as the money involved is miniscule and there is only pride at stake.
Has everything in this world got to be about MONEY? I'm not so naive as to think we can do without it but can't we allot some of our cash to 'entertainment' which can include online poker. I'm thoroughly enjoying playing and i wonder if the thread was based on "who still enjoys playing it" then we may get some skew results possibly. Enjoyment and winning may not be as directly related as some people may think.
It's a very British thing not to boast about yourself especially when it comes to money. Where as in America it is the Norm. I will leave it up to you to decide which is classier. Also any loosing/break even MTT player should take a look at the SKY MTT leaderboard and see how long it took a lot of the players on there to start having an upward curve on their graph and see that there is hope for us all as long as we learn along the way.
Well, this has certainly become a 'sparky' thread, hasn't it? I look at people's sharkscopes and a majority of graphs have a -ve gradient ie go downor stay level for about a 1000 games or so before they find their way/ strategies etc. To me that upturn is great but not essential. It's the knowledge that i'm improving my game COMBINED with the fact that i still love playing that means more. As an example my most pleasing moments came from A) Getting to Survivor final 1st week on SKY never playing before(cost £1 payout £0...loss £1) b) Joining, scoring and getting my colours for Hitsquad then managing to win the overall nonthly DTD. ( £5.10 per week ? probably loss made) There was no massive cash figure involved and i also love playing Woogie's afternoon league when it all came down to the FT on the seventh day was fantastic. ( cost £2.20/day... loss made) We've had a good laugh at the tables in chat with no tilt as the money involved is miniscule and there is only pride at stake. Has everything in this world got to be about MONEY? I'm not so naive as to think we can do without it but can't we allot some of our cash to 'entertainment' which can include online poker. I'm thoroughly enjoying playing and i wonder if the thread was based on "who still enjoys playing it" then we may get some skew results possibly. Enjoyment and winning may not be directly related as some people may think. Posted by profman15
Enjoying and winning are related as you wouldnt enjoy it if you were losing all the time! although a lot of players have to lose to start with before they improve and start to win. practice makes perfect. Even if you start to win more you still find you can always learn and improve in this game which makes it so interesting.
In Response to Re: How many of us are winning players? Truthfully. : Enjoying and winning are related as you wouldnt enjoy it if you were losing all the time! although a lot of players have to lose to start with before they improve and start to win. practice makes perfect. Even if you start to win more you still find you can always learn and improve in this game which makes it so interesting. Posted by Dazler
Fair point Dazler but after reading a blog from a very successful player about how they are thinking about giving it up then i think enjoyment comes first unless its their sole income. If i start losing'all the time' i will enjoy it less because i not have learned from errors and improved my game. Consequently, i will stop playing and find something else to enjoy doing. I'm not a gambler and don't need the thrill of the win. Personally, i can't see how grinders can enjoy the game. 6 hours at a time with 10 tables up is NOT my idea of fun and enjoyment. However if you can create an income from that then fine. I didn't like teaching maths to senior school kids at times either. Look forward to seeing in the league today mate....
Lots of fuss about nothing as normal on here ) bragging is good It's a game, brag if you win - cry if you lose if you go into any game with the thought of "I am going to win" The dissapointment is just around the corner If you think ".....................nothing................." then hey ho in the chips go ) Posted by rancid
Hi Rancid
Succinct as ever...
PS Hope things are going as well as possible in other areas of your life mate
At the moment i am a losing player on sky,albeit at very low stakes,however there are some other things i take into consideration.I love the game and i play well within my bankroll so no problems there,i class this as a hobby as i am a recreational player and like most hobbies you have to pay to enjoy them.
I used to be out every weekend at the pub(which is a very expensive hobby)since i found poker i now prefer to stay in and play,this means my girlfriend is a lot happier as she is not a drinker and she prefers my choice of new hobby.I still see my mates occasionally but not as much as i used to.
Another thing i consider is that at work each day a group of us play a couple of tournaments,we only play for small stakes but i am winning our little league at the moment and i am way in profit in these games.My sky poker experience pays off here i think.
Overall i am happy with my poker as i get so much fun out of it,now to start being a winning player lol.
Pipunch can you tell us how you turned your game round mate?
In Response to Re: How many of us are winning players? Truthfully. : Fair point Dazler but after reading a blog from a very successful player about how they are thinking about giving it up then i think enjoyment comes first unless its their sole income. If i start losing'all the time' i will enjoy it less because i not have learned from errors and improved my game. Consequently, i will stop playing and find something else to enjoy doing. I'm not a gambler and don't need the thrill of the win. Personally, i can't see how grinders can enjoy the game. 6 hours at a time with 10 tables up is NOT my idea of fun and enjoyment. However if you can create an income from then fine. I didn't like teaching maths to senior school kids at times either. Look forward to seeing in the league today mate.... Posted by profman15
yea i think thats what is just as important as winning is knowing you have improved and some just like the odd game here and there and would never grind over time. So if you play and lose as long as you look at why you are losing and try to improve then it still can be fun. If you constantly lose and dont figure out why to me thats just throwing money away and cant see the fun in that.
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And the small number of people slating this thread - being a small winning player myself i wanted comparisons with how well i'm doing compared to most other people. It's quite apparent that there are a few people here that are worried that players might reevaluate their games when they realise they lose money playing. To champion the forum as a great learning tool then come out with this is frankly laughable, however much of a 'reg' you are around here.
The thread also got people to give their back stories which i find helpful and interesting. If you think i'm 'bragging' about winning less than £2 an hour over the course of 15 months then you're very much mistaken. And i don't really care if you do. If you don't like me or this thread then don't post in it.
I haven't slated this thread, I gave my opinion. I say GIQ and the fact I find 'bragging unseemly' in terms of myself, I don't brag as a rule. You can probably. I don't like to see bragging in general but again this was my opinion.
You've crossed your wires a little between 'forum is a great learning tool' and 'not wanting some players know how much they are losing.' It is a great learning tool and I have spent more time than most helping players in both the Clinic and GPC. This isn't a learning thread though. I may not have taken the original post in a way it was intended but to me it just looks like 'tell us what you've won and tell us what you've lost.' I didn't read that as you being a small winner and wanting to compare to others, maybe that's my mistake or maybe the original post isn't clear enough.
I never accused you or anyone else of bragging.
And I have no problem with you or this thread. It's nice and sparky, sparky is good.
Now to put my own experience in comparison to yours making £2 an hour over the first 15 months is fine, I'd go as far to say it's pretty good these days. I was break even/small losing in MTTs here for 18 months/two years. It's all about learning and developing your game. If you're a small winner at the start it gives you a great foundation to develop your game and really kick on as you put the work into your game.
And I do think this is a good thread and hope it continues, even if I hold the position I do. It's got people talking and as long as everyone shows everyone else respect it can be nothing but positive.
On the other hand i do wonder if it affects me too. Players can gain information from this also! But your completly right in the fact that i dont want losing players to know they are losing players thats what makes winning players winning players. The amount of times ive seen players showing in the chat box that a player is a losing player because it says so in sharkscope is in my mind the dumbest thing you can do! As that losing player then knows to go to that site see they are losing and stops playing maybe! why would you tell someone there a losing player or even openly admit it, i am in profit on this site not by much as i only play low stakes and i have also been a losing player in the past but improved on it. And overal im getting better and better and making small profits over time. Some losing players on the forum are here because they want to improve and get help to improve and not stay a losing or break even player, which i think is a good thing individualy but a bad thing for winning players maybe! Does it really effect you that much? If there wasnt a forum on sky for players to improve would you make more money?
either way i think if there a bad player most of them dont come on the forums and the ones that do and are bad at this game it dosnt matter how good you are even if you were Doyal brunson they would play the same against you so you have nothing to worry about.
Celebrating a win on BBV,on a diary or a forum thread - fine. Good even, that's what BBV is there for and diaries should reflect the massive highs as well as the crunching lows.
What I am referring to is people who would give advice or a comment and then punctuate this with 'and I should know, I've won £X, etc' or people who constantly refer to themselves as huge winners and so on. That I find tasteless, there's not so many on here but on some other forums past and present there were/are tons.
I look at people's sharkscopes and a majority of graphs have a -ve gradient ie go downor stay level for about a 1000 games or so before they find their way/ strategies etc. To me that upturn is great but not essential. It's the knowledge that i'm improving my game COMBINED with the fact that i still love playing that means more.
As an example my most pleasing moments came from
A) Getting to Survivor final 1st week on SKY never playing before(cost £1 payout £0...loss £1)
b) Joining, scoring and getting my colours for Hitsquad then managing to win the overall monthly DTD. ( £5.10 per week ? probably loss made)
There was no massive cash figure involved and i also love playing Woogie's afternoon league when it all came down to the FT on the seventh day was fantastic. ( cost £2.20/day... loss made) We've had a good laugh at the tables in chat with no tilt as the money involved is miniscule and there is only pride at stake.
Has everything in this world got to be about MONEY? I'm not so naive as to think we can do without it but can't we allot some of our cash to 'entertainment' which can include online poker. I'm thoroughly enjoying playing and i wonder if the thread was based on "who still enjoys playing it" then we may get some skew results possibly. Enjoyment and winning may not be as directly related as some people may think.
It's a very British thing not to boast about yourself especially when it comes to money. Where as in America it is the Norm. I will leave it up to you to decide which is classier.
Also any loosing/break even MTT player should take a look at the SKY MTT leaderboard and see how long it took a lot of the players on there to start having an upward curve on their graph and see that there is hope for us all as long as we learn along the way.
bragging is good
It's a game, brag if you win - cry if you lose
if you go into any game with the thought of "I am going to win"
The dissapointment is just around the corner
If you think ".....................nothing................."
then hey ho in the chips go )
Personally, i can't see how grinders can enjoy the game. 6 hours at a time with 10 tables up is NOT my idea of fun and enjoyment. However if you can create an income from that then fine. I didn't like teaching maths to senior school kids at times either. Look forward to seeing in the league today mate....
Succinct as ever...
PS Hope things are going as well as possible in other areas of your life mate
I used to be out every weekend at the pub(which is a very expensive hobby)since i found poker i now prefer to stay in and play,this means my girlfriend is a lot happier as she is not a drinker and she prefers my choice of new hobby.I still see my mates occasionally but not as much as i used to.
Another thing i consider is that at work each day a group of us play a couple of tournaments,we only play for small stakes but i am winning our little league at the moment and i am way in profit in these games.My sky poker experience pays off here i think.
Overall i am happy with my poker as i get so much fun out of it,now to start being a winning player lol.
Pipunch can you tell us how you turned your game round mate?