3) Should there be more speed/turbo tourneys on a nightly basis This is something that I feel strongly about and really do think that the turbos need to be looked at. I asked Sky to look into this a while ago and they came back with the Lucky Sevens which after a good start sadly started missing the GTD and got cancelled which I thought was a great shame. Please note that these are my personal views by the way and not of Sky! Sometimes people confuse the 2. Anyway with the success of the turbo BH the other night, I would like to see something like this ona Tuesday/Wednesday on SkyPoker.com....these nights are traditionally the slowest nights on all online poker sites and think that anything to freshen up these days is a good thing £4/5k GTD £11 Turbo BH Main 8pm £3k GTD £33/55 Open 8pm £1k GTF £3.30 Turbo BH Mini 8.15pm £4k GTD £55/110 BH 9pm £1k GTD £11 Velocity 9.45/10pm I think that this is a balanced schedule that shouldn't cannabilise each others runners too much. With a nice satellite struture into the bigger tournie the night before and on the night it should easily meet the required runners. Multi-tabling is becomming more and more common now, even for the casual player, and with the recent additions of sync breaks and late red I think that these conservative guaranttes should easily be met, especially at this time of year when numbers traditionally see a big increase. Posted by scotty77
Well it seems there is support for having a turbo night. To extend the question:
Would you play a large amount of a turbo night schedule? What night of the week do you think this should take place on? As a starting point, what do you think of Scotty's schedule a couple of posts above? Also please expand on this as much as you want.
My answers are I would play a turbo night, I think it should either fit arond the Thursday night BHer or take place on a Tuesday and I like the schedule Scotty has suggested.
Let me know when you think the debate on the current topics has concluded, & I'll ensure that the right guys upstairs see the thread.
That's not to say they will agree, or change anything, but it's good feedback, & they may well take heed of some or all of it, or at least be cogniscant of it when tweaking the Tourney Schedules.
Id like to see the blind structures in the super roller moved back to what they were. I cant remember what the blind structures were exactly but there is quite a few blind levels being skipped now. The blind structure has changed and although you start with 10,000 chips it is quite turboie now i find as there is now a lot of blind levels being skipped. So really everyone is only quite deep for the 1st few levels.
Would be interested to see if someone from SKY could explain the reasoning behind point1 Otherwise this post is going to be lost in a myriad of Turbo tournament suggestions We live in hope........ Posted by kaymac
Hi Keith,
Hope springs eternal, as Mr Pope famously wrote.
I don't know the precise reasoning, but as promised, I did ask the question yesterday.
As far as I could gather, it's just part of the normal ongoing process of refreshing the portfolio of products on offer. They try different things, this & that, add stuff, remove stuff, all the time. Some are successful, some not, few are universally liked or wholy disliked, that's the nature of the beast.
If I understood the position correctly, it is an experiment, like scores of others, and at present, it will remain "as is", based, I assume, on examination of the data.
Nothing is cast in stone, though, & it may change. Just depends on numbers I would hazard a guess.
I did hear word that there will be some special Promotions in November for those who prefer to play at the lower levels - once I get the details, I'll Post accordingly.
In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread - Current discussion points at top of OP : Hi Keith, Hope springs eternal , as Mr Pope famously wrote. I don't know the precise reasoning, but as promised, I did ask the question yesterday. As far as I could gather, it's just part of the normal ongoing process of refreshing the portfolio of products on offer. They try different things, this & that, add stuff, remove stuff, all the time. Some are successful, some not, few are universally liked or wholy disliked, that's the nature of the beast. If I understood the position correctly, it is an experiment, like scores of others, and at present, it will remain "as is", based, I assume, on examination of the data. Nothing is cast in stone, though, & it may change. Just depends on numbers I would hazard a guess. I did hear word that there will be some special Promotions in November for those who prefer to play at the lower levels - once I get the details, I'll Post accordingly. Posted by Tikay10
Appreciate the response Tikay, but from where it was to where it is now is hardly a tweak! To go from 6 x £2.30bh between 17.50 & 22.05, to the current 3, and increasing the buy-in for the rest without any input from the players is frustrating to say the least.
I'll give you a scenario. Player A likes to play the £2.30 bh of an evening. He gets home from work at 5.30, does all his usual bits, bite to eat etc, and just misses the 17.50 start. Hey ho, another one along in an hour, 70 - 100 runners, nice size, but now that is gone, he has to wait for a further hour and sees an extra 300 runers and has to navigate the initial flurry of questionable players to enjoy his game. Early knockout, previously next game was along at 20.45, but now, nothing till 22.05, but to get a decent run and possible cash, you have to allow about 3 hours, but that's too late for normal Joe as he has to work in the morning.
Now there are other games available but why would or should normal Joe change what he has enjoyed just because some unknown scheduler decides it needs freshening up without even asking the players!!
So Joe goes to another site.
Like I say, just a scenario, but if Joe had been asked first, a suitable alternative may have been found.
In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread : YES YES YES, IT KEEPS GETTING MENTIONED ON TV SO FFS GET IT SORTED YOUR MAKING YOURSELVES LOOK LIKE IDIOTS, HOW HARD CAN IT BE WHEN EVERY OTHER SITE HAS IT Posted by scouse1515
and ur an expert when it comes to making urself look like an idiot...loving ur thread very comical bet everyone at 888 is relieved you have had a break to come on sky and post.....
3) Should there be more speed/turbo tourneys on a nightly basis This is something that I feel strongly about and really do think that the turbos need to be looked at. I asked Sky to look into this a while ago and they came back with the Lucky Sevens which after a good start sadly started missing the GTD and got cancelled which I thought was a great shame. Please note that these are my personal views by the way and not of Sky! Sometimes people confuse the 2. Anyway with the success of the turbo BH the other night, I would like to see something like this ona Tuesday/Wednesday on SkyPoker.com....these nights are traditionally the slowest nights on all online poker sites and think that anything to freshen up these days is a good thing £4/5k GTD £11 Turbo BH Main 8pm £3k GTD £33/55 Open 8pm £1k GTF £3.30 Turbo BH Mini 8.15pm £4k GTD £55/110 BH 9pm £1k GTD £11 Velocity 9.45/10pm I think that this is a balanced schedule that shouldn't cannabilise each others runners too much. With a nice satellite struture into the bigger tournie the night before and on the night it should easily meet the required runners. Multi-tabling is becomming more and more common now, even for the casual player, and with the recent additions of sync breaks and late red I think that these conservative guaranttes should easily be met, especially at this time of year when numbers traditionally see a big increase. Posted by scotty77
Bring Back Thews at 10 or a similar tournament, was my favourite tournament of the week.
Also..... Stop the rake r@pe on the £5.75 Bounty Hunters, I would play alot more of these if the rake was 10% rather than the obscene 15%, as a result I don't play any of them.
In Response to Re: The Sky Poker Player's Tweaks, Changes and Improvements Discussion Thread - Current discussion points at top of OP : Appreciate the response Tikay, but from where it was to where it is now is hardly a tweak! To go from 6 x £2.30bh between 17.50 & 22.05, to the current 3, and increasing the buy-in for the rest without any input from the players is frustrating to say the least. I'll give you a scenario. Player A likes to play the £2.30 bh of an evening. He gets home from work at 5.30, does all his usual bits, bite to eat etc, and just misses the 17.50 start. Hey ho, another one along in an hour, 70 - 100 runners, nice size, but now that is gone, he has to wait for a further hour and sees an extra 300 runers and has to navigate the initial flurry of questionable players to enjoy his game. Early knockout, previously next game was along at 20.45, but now, nothing till 22.05, but to get a decent run and possible cash, you have to allow about 3 hours, but that's too late for normal Joe as he has to work in the morning. Now there are other games available but why would or should normal Joe change what he has enjoyed just because some unknown scheduler decides it needs freshening up without even asking the players!! So Joe goes to another site. Like I say, just a scenario, but if Joe had been asked first, a suitable alternative may have been found. Posted by kaymac
Hi Keith.
Yes, that all makes absolute sense, though that's not to say I agree with all of it.
They are never going to keep everyone happy, it's just not possible.
Changes to the "products" are made almost daily, & though I've not counted them, there must be hundreds of variables (different "products") on the Site.
In an ideal world, yes, it would be right grand to put all these changes up for discussion, but there are so many, & do you really think that everyone would end up agreeing, or be happy?
It is a business, & the Management are committed to growing the business, & they've done a pretty good job so far (imo). The Business continues to grow strongly, (in a declining market), so we cannot really say that they are not paying close heed to their existing, & loyal Clients, because the Business cannot grow without keeping it's Clients largely happy (it can never keep all of them happy all of the time), & at the same time, attracting lots of new Clients.
I very much doubt that, say, Sainsburys, for example, go out for consultation with all their customers before withdrawing Hovis tin loaves or whatever from sale. If we want to stick to Poker analogies, I don't think too many Online Sites consult before making fairly routine, or standard, tweaks to the schedules.
This site does more than most when it comes to (trying to) keep players informed about stuff, (or I think they do) but when they do, it is not always received in a very constructive manner.
Products come & go, it is, in any good business, a constant process to keep the product range fresh.
Of course, not all the decisions will be correct, if you or I were to make 100 decisions, we'd be millionaires if we got 95 of them right.
When "major" changes are in the pipeline, yes, it gets flagged up, but how do we define "major", as it is all relative?
"Not a tweak"? - I think that's debatable. If you consider how many products there are, spread across Cash (by FAR the biggest, bigger than everything else added together, & then some), Tourneys, & SNG's (the last two relatively equal in size), then split all of those down into the three different price bands - let's call them High, Medium, & Low - then changing a single product within those nine segments is just "routine" really.
I'm sorry - genuinely - that you & others are disappointed, & I do understand, but everything is done for a reason, & I'm sure the Business had good reasons to make these changes.
Incidentally, those changes are just to the Products - that does not include changes to the platform, which also happen with great frequency. I think 5 or 6 have been scheduled for this month already, with more still to come next week. So "change" is non-stop, & there is so much of it.
If I hear any more on this particular topic, I'll let you know.
I'm not sure much of that will appease you, but I've tried to explain things, such as I am able, anyway.
Good idea and nice to see people interested in how the site is run too.
My minor suggestion concerns the time the board takes to show the cards once players are all-in pre either preflop or post flop. I feel it takes away from the suspense/excitement of the game. Yea i know it does'nt affect win rate, games playing etc but i do feel that its too short to take in the cards needed or not. Another site tends to have a bit of a lag between flop turn and river once playerss are say , all-in preflop. Start to finish is about 8 secs and i like it myself. The sky showdown is too quick and it doesn't doesn't allow time for a quick prayer! Ha Don't get me wrong sky is better but its a fool who believes all in our house is perfect.
Sorry guys, i realise its a very picky point and 10 tablers probably don't give a rats about it but the experience would beenhanced buzz-wise i feel. If Sky are worried about the extra time eating into profits then just cut a couple of seconds off the clock to compensate as i'm sure people wouldn't notice.
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Well it seems there is support for having a turbo night. To extend the question:
Would you play a large amount of a turbo night schedule?
What night of the week do you think this should take place on?
As a starting point, what do you think of Scotty's schedule a couple of posts above?
Also please expand on this as much as you want.
My answers are I would play a turbo night, I think it should either fit arond the Thursday night BHer or take place on a Tuesday and I like the schedule Scotty has suggested.
Tommy.
Let me know when you think the debate on the current topics has concluded, & I'll ensure that the right guys upstairs see the thread.
That's not to say they will agree, or change anything, but it's good feedback, & they may well take heed of some or all of it, or at least be cogniscant of it when tweaking the Tourney Schedules.
Hope springs eternal, as Mr Pope famously wrote.
I don't know the precise reasoning, but as promised, I did ask the question yesterday.
As far as I could gather, it's just part of the normal ongoing process of refreshing the portfolio of products on offer. They try different things, this & that, add stuff, remove stuff, all the time. Some are successful, some not, few are universally liked or wholy disliked, that's the nature of the beast.
If I understood the position correctly, it is an experiment, like scores of others, and at present, it will remain "as is", based, I assume, on examination of the data.
Nothing is cast in stone, though, & it may change. Just depends on numbers I would hazard a guess.
I did hear word that there will be some special Promotions in November for those who prefer to play at the lower levels - once I get the details, I'll Post accordingly.
So Joe goes to another site.
Hi Keith,
Only just seen this, & am out of time now, as I have to go to work.
I'll reply tomorrow, or over the weekend.
I much appreciated the reasoned response, as I know the subject is quite emotive.
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bet everyone at 888 is relieved you have had a break to come on sky and post.....
"....I'll reply tomorrow, or over the weekend....."
Which I guess I never said yesterday.....or even this week.
Apologies Keith, I'll reply tomorrow.*
* T & C's Apply, excludes memory overload, & dotage issues.
Yes, that all makes absolute sense, though that's not to say I agree with all of it.
They are never going to keep everyone happy, it's just not possible.
Changes to the "products" are made almost daily, & though I've not counted them, there must be hundreds of variables (different "products") on the Site.
In an ideal world, yes, it would be right grand to put all these changes up for discussion, but there are so many, & do you really think that everyone would end up agreeing, or be happy?
It is a business, & the Management are committed to growing the business, & they've done a pretty good job so far (imo). The Business continues to grow strongly, (in a declining market), so we cannot really say that they are not paying close heed to their existing, & loyal Clients, because the Business cannot grow without keeping it's Clients largely happy (it can never keep all of them happy all of the time), & at the same time, attracting lots of new Clients.
I very much doubt that, say, Sainsburys, for example, go out for consultation with all their customers before withdrawing Hovis tin loaves or whatever from sale. If we want to stick to Poker analogies, I don't think too many Online Sites consult before making fairly routine, or standard, tweaks to the schedules.
This site does more than most when it comes to (trying to) keep players informed about stuff, (or I think they do) but when they do, it is not always received in a very constructive manner.
Products come & go, it is, in any good business, a constant process to keep the product range fresh.
Of course, not all the decisions will be correct, if you or I were to make 100 decisions, we'd be millionaires if we got 95 of them right.
When "major" changes are in the pipeline, yes, it gets flagged up, but how do we define "major", as it is all relative?
"Not a tweak"? - I think that's debatable. If you consider how many products there are, spread across Cash (by FAR the biggest, bigger than everything else added together, & then some), Tourneys, & SNG's (the last two relatively equal in size), then split all of those down into the three different price bands - let's call them High, Medium, & Low - then changing a single product within those nine segments is just "routine" really.
I'm sorry - genuinely - that you & others are disappointed, & I do understand, but everything is done for a reason, & I'm sure the Business had good reasons to make these changes.
Incidentally, those changes are just to the Products - that does not include changes to the platform, which also happen with great frequency. I think 5 or 6 have been scheduled for this month already, with more still to come next week. So "change" is non-stop, & there is so much of it.
If I hear any more on this particular topic, I'll let you know.
I'm not sure much of that will appease you, but I've tried to explain things, such as I am able, anyway.
Good idea and nice to see people interested in how the site is run too.
My minor suggestion concerns the time the board takes to show the cards once players are all-in pre either preflop or post flop. I feel it takes away from the suspense/excitement of the game. Yea i know it does'nt affect win rate, games playing etc but i do feel that its too short to take in the cards needed or not. Another site tends to have a bit of a lag between flop turn and river once playerss are say , all-in preflop. Start to finish is about 8 secs and i like it myself. The sky showdown is too quick and it doesn't doesn't allow time for a quick prayer! Ha
Don't get me wrong sky is better but its a fool who believes all in our house is perfect.
Sorry guys, i realise its a very picky point and 10 tablers probably don't give a rats about it but the experience would be enhanced buzz-wise i feel. If Sky are worried about the extra time eating into profits then just cut a couple of seconds off the clock to compensate as i'm sure people wouldn't notice.
Proffie......
Catch me in the right (wrong...) mood,. & I'll tell you a cracking story about that "pause" before the river card is dealt.
This is probably not the time & place though.