e.g. I go into tesco every other day and buy a lot of products and therefore accumulate points on my club card freqently - I don't expect other shoppers to get the same amount as me for shopping at the same supermarket less frequently Posted by percival09
They may have bought more products, but they spent the same time browsing
I just think the Poker points should go to those that are playing the game, not throwing money into the pot, as Tikay as said on many occasions that folding is a big part of the game!
But as the majority seem to prefer the new system, I suppose that is what really matters!
I think the new system is much fairer. However I think too many people are getting too focused on the points and the C4P/rakeback. It should have no bearing on how you play the game. It should not be a fixed income stream you count on. I don't even count it as poker profit, just a side bonus. Enjoy the game, beat the game, make money from the game and throw any bonuses you get onto the pile.
I've seen a few posts on various forums on the back of C4P/rakeback changes on this and other sites over time say 'the site is giving me a paycut.' C4P/Rakeback is not a salary. It's a bonus.
I just think the Poker points should go to those that are playing the game, not throwing money into the pot, as Tikay as said on many occasions that folding is a big part of the game! But as the majority seem to prefer the new system, I suppose that is what really matters! Posted by Donut64
What Sky call Cash 4 Points is just another name for what everyone else calls rakeback. Why should you get rake back when you don't give any (much). It's basically cash back and you wouldn't expect cash back without paying some cash in the first place.
I don't know of another site that don't do it this way because it's just the most sensible way. Over a year you might have one nit contribute £20,000 to Sky's pocket, and an aggro player contribute £60,000 to Sky's pocket, doesn't make much sense for Sky to give them both £1000 each.
rakeback going where its deserved is good for the poker economy as a whole.
I'd rather lose some of my potential bonus and have it go to a loose recreational then have it plonk into the hands of the mr 12 hours a day who sits waiting to cooler people.
I agree that there isn't a discussion to be had between dealt method or weighted contribution, weighted contribution is fairer & should be implemented.
What I disagree with is the way this new system is being implemented by sky, which will result in a worse deal for nearly all the players (Casual & Regular).
To give cash game players only 6 points for every £1 raked, you will have one of the most UNCOMPETITIVE bonus systems online.
If Priority 3mo.s then£408 C4P Bonus = 20.4% Rakeback
£3000 = 18000 points£540 C4P Bonus = 18% Rakeback
If Priority then£612 C4P Bonus = 20.4% Rakeback
if Priority 3mo.s£720 C4P Bonus = 24% Rakeback
As you can see, Sky will be returning a lot less back to players than they have been previously. They MUST take a good look at those points bandings & their corresponding point value to give their loyal players a FAIR DEAL.
Really disappointing if this is true from sky. The liquidity in the plo games is really bad at the moment. I can see more players leaving because of this!
Let's have a look at some rake examples of a few different cash game player types. £100 raked = 600 points £4.80 C4P Bonus = 4.8% Rakeback £300 raked = 1800 points £18 C4p Bonus = 6% Rakeback £600 raked = 3600 points £50.40 C4P Bonus = 8.4% Rakeback £1000 = 6000 points £120 C4P Bonus = 12% Rakeback £2000 = 12000 points £336 C4P Bonus = 16.8% Rakeback If Priority then £372 C4P Bonus = 18.6% Rakeback If Priority 3mo.s then £408 C4P Bonus = 20.4% Rakeback £3000 = 18000 points £540 C4P Bonus = 18% Rakeback If Priority then £612 C4P Bonus = 20.4% Rakeback if Priority 3mo.s £720 C4P Bonus = 24% Rakeback As you can see, Sky will be returning a lot less back to players than they have been previously. They MUST take a good look at those points bandings & their corresponding point value to give their loyal players a FAIR DEAL. Posted by OmgDaveS
Bad deal for everyone looking at the table above. To award only 6 points per £1 raked and not change the C4P checkpoint boundaries is really disappointing from Sky. Feels like they have used the switch to a weighted contribution method to return a whole lot less in rewards to the player pool.
why is it on cash tables u get 6 points for £1 rake paid and for SNG/DYM+MTTs u get 10 points for £1 rake ?? Posted by sikas
i mentioned this earlier in the thread and tbh i dont expect anyone to give an official reason.
i could hazard a guess at why 6 points per pound was choosen and it may have something to do with them retaining happy hours and early bird. if this is the case i'd rather they got rid of them so everyone gets equal points per £ across the board
In Response to Re: New Poker Points system. : Early bird & happy hours! Can't have your cake and eat it. Posted by belsibub
obviously Sky can
unless your sky
because short handed you pay so much more in rake thats the onlyr reson u get more c4p
i dont get why so many people are so quick to jump to thr defence of what is essentially a multi billion dollar corporation when its clear they are not treating us fairly
the new c4p is kinda bad i mean up to 40% RB on other sites
on this one the c4p parameters now with the new system are laughable
u basicly have to be 10 tabling 10 hrs a day to make any decent c4p on th side
Theres no doubt going to be less rakebck with new system for a profitble player. However less rakeback = softer tables. I believe softer tables is better for everyone, especilly in long term. Posted by ajs4385
Completely agree tbf.
As some others have said, C4P is just a bonus. We shouldn't be playing just to amount C4P points.
it's a fairer system if you discount the fact sky are paying out far less overall than before/other sites...
I'd expect to get the same amount in rakeback for points earned than before... surely the only thing that should be changing is how you get those points?
I think the new system is much fairer. However I think too many people are getting too focused on the points and the C4P/rakeback. It should have no bearing on how you play the game. It should not be a fixed income stream you count on. I don't even count it as poker profit, just a side bonus. Enjoy the game, beat the game, make money from the game and throw any bonuses you get onto the pile. I've seen a few posts on various forums on the back of C4P/rakeback changes on this and other sites over time say 'the site is giving me a paycut.' C4P/Rakeback is not a salary. It's a bonus. Posted by TommyD
Totally disagree with this. Most players who put in large volumes would choose a site which gives tham the best rakeback deal. To say it would not form part of a salary is just not correct at all.
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But as the majority seem to prefer the new system, I suppose that is what really matters!
I've seen a few posts on various forums on the back of C4P/rakeback changes on this and other sites over time say 'the site is giving me a paycut.' C4P/Rakeback is not a salary. It's a bonus.
I don't know of another site that don't do it this way because it's just the most sensible way. Over a year you might have one nit contribute £20,000 to Sky's pocket, and an aggro player contribute £60,000 to Sky's pocket, doesn't make much sense for Sky to give them both £1000 each.
In Response to Re: New Poker Points system.:
i could hazard a guess at why 6 points per pound was choosen and it may have something to do with them retaining happy hours and early bird. if this is the case i'd rather they got rid of them so everyone gets equal points per £ across the board
Can't have your cake and eat it.
unless your sky
because short handed you pay so much more in rake thats the onlyr reson u get more c4p
i dont get why so many people are so quick to jump to thr defence of what is essentially a multi billion dollar corporation when its clear they are not treating us fairly
the new c4p is kinda bad i mean up to 40% RB on other sites
on this one the c4p parameters now with the new system are laughable
u basicly have to be 10 tabling 10 hrs a day to make any decent c4p on th side
Theres no doubt going to be less rakebck with new system for a profitble player.
However less rakeback = softer tables.
I believe softer tables is better for everyone, especilly in long term.
Most players who put in large volumes would choose a site which gives tham the best rakeback deal.
To say it would not form part of a salary is just not correct at all.