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What would (should) you do.....?

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  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,281
    tai-gar said:

    Hey @MISTY4ME how are you with all your jabs?

    Covid Jabs
    Flue Jab
    Haysie Jab

    Afraid you might need a Booster m8.

    Rolling with the Punches @tai-gar :o:p:D
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,281
    what would you (should you) do here?

    This was the 7th hand in, in the SPT 3-seat Semi ...... Do you CALL the SHOVE or FOLD? ??
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    karllukeSmall blind10.0010.002970.00
    MISTY4MEBig blind20.0030.003300.00
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    The_BoatCall20.0050.003660.00
    junior10Call20.0070.002940.00
    TheSawCall20.0090.002040.00
    karllukeFold
    MISTY4MERaise80.00170.003220.00
    The_BoatCall80.00250.003580.00
    junior10Call80.00330.002860.00
    TheSawCall80.00410.001960.00
    Flop
    • K
    • 3
    • 5
    MISTY4MEBet260.00670.002960.00
    The_BoatFold
    junior10Call260.00930.002600.00
    TheSawCall260.001190.001700.00
    Turn
    • A
    MISTY4MEBet595.001785.002365.00
    junior10All-in2600.004385.000.00
    TheSawFold
    MISTY4ME
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,658
    Getting more than 2-1 on the call.

    Not loving life, but it is a sigh call for me.
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,281
    edited November 2021
    CHEERS Phil @Essexphil ....... GOOD LUCK in Manchester mate.

    Any other HELP?

    Matt @MattBates , Danny @FeelGroggy , Phil @PBKR , Danny @Itsover4u ,Chris @rspca12 (though I'm pretty sure I know you would be calling Chris :) ) GELDY @GELDY , Mike @bbMike , Craig @craigcu12 .....and anyone else who has an opinion/advice

    Cheers and GOOD LUCK every1 :)
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,281
    MattBates said:

    I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding

    Cheers Matt.....I thought it was the best option........ (after I'd had a lot longer to think about it !)
    At the time I convinced myself that he must have had a SET of 3s or 5's, and because it was so early in the Semi, I thought it was better/safer to FOLD ...... @junior10 later told me he had A-Q :/

    I should have remembered How LUCKY I am, and I'd have hit another Ace or King anyway ;):)

    GOOD LUCK in Manchester this week mate :)
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,658
    MISTY4ME said:

    CHEERS Phil @Essexphil ....... GOOD LUCK in Manchester mate.

    Any other HELP?

    Matt @MattBates , Danny @FeelGroggy , Phil @PBKR , Danny @Itsover4u ,Chris @rspca12 (though I'm pretty sure I know you would be calling Chris :) ) GELDY @GELDY , Mike @bbMike , Craig @craigcu12 .....and anyone else who has an opinion/advice

    Cheers and GOOD LUCK every1 :)

    Will miss Manchester. Mixture of run bad and my youngest coming home from Uni for a week.

    On a run of brutal beats at the wrong times. Mot moaning-something that we all go through ;)

    Hope Manchester goes really well. Sure I will be at the next one. SPTs are the most enjoyable live events. By far.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,517
    edited November 2021
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Tikay10 said:


    Who wants to guess how many posts this thread will generate?

    With @HAYSIE involved I'm taking the overs, whatever the line is.

    When it turns nasty I am out.
    Calling that bluff.
    All day long :)
    MISTY4ME said:

    what would you (should you) do here?

    This was the 7th hand in, in the SPT 3-seat Semi ...... Do you CALL the SHOVE or FOLD?

    ??
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    karllukeSmall blind10.0010.002970.00
    MISTY4MEBig blind20.0030.003300.00
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    The_BoatCall20.0050.003660.00
    junior10Call20.0070.002940.00
    TheSawCall20.0090.002040.00
    karllukeFold
    MISTY4MERaise80.00170.003220.00
    The_BoatCall80.00250.003580.00
    junior10Call80.00330.002860.00
    TheSawCall80.00410.001960.00
    Flop
    • K
    • 3
    • 5
    MISTY4MEBet260.00670.002960.00
    The_BoatFold
    junior10Call260.00930.002600.00
    TheSawCall260.001190.001700.00
    Turn
    • A
    MISTY4MEBet595.001785.002365.00
    junior10All-in2600.004385.000.00
    TheSawFold
    MISTY4ME
    I dont know why you would post this?
    As I am no poker expert, I will answer from a common sense point of view.
    I can only assume that you didnt win.
    Otherwise it would be a bit of a damp squib. to point out that you played AK, hit top two, and won the pot.
    There are a number of players on the site that ignore the odds, and claim that it is fixed or rigged.
    The best hand preflop doesnt always win, as we all know.
    The odds tell us poorer hands win less often, but not never.
    Most of us would consider AK a much better hand than say 89s.
    This is borne out by the odds as the AK wins 60% of the time.
    That means the 89s wins 4 times out of 10.
    Although this may not deter many people from considering hurling their laptop through the window when it does actually happen.

    Back to the hand.
    As far as I can see, at this stage you are losing to pocket aces, kings, 5s, or3s, or 42.
    42 would seem less likely, but the blinds were very low, even so it is 34% to win against AK.
    So 42 wins once out of three, and AK twice.
    Kings and aces are massive favourites.
    Both small pocket pairs are slight favourites preflop.

    So is the moral of the story, I lost a pot when I started as the underdog?

    On the question of whether to call or not, what would be the point of playing AK, hitting two pair and folding?
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,811
    Ida hammered the call button, if they've setted up so be it you're not dead in the water even if they have
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,517
    MattBates said:

    I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding

    Would the actual player shoving make a difference to you?
    I dont really know the player involved in this case.
    But it would seem that the AK is losing to all the hands that a good player is likely to shove in this case, ie AA, KK, 55, 33, and 42.
    The exceptions would be if the shover was also playing AK, or was bluffing.
    You could maybe rule out the AA, and KK, due to the lack of a reraise, but that again maybe down to the quality of the player.
    A good player would probably reraise, where an average player may not.
    Another possibility is that the other player thinks he is in front with a king and a worse kicker.
    So are you never folding irrespective of the other player involved?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,517
    MISTY4ME said:

    MattBates said:

    I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding

    Cheers Matt.....I thought it was the best option........ (after I'd had a lot longer to think about it !)
    At the time I convinced myself that he must have had a SET of 3s or 5's, and because it was so early in the Semi, I thought it was better/safer to FOLD ...... @junior10 later told me he had A-Q :/

    I should have remembered How LUCKY I am, and I'd have hit another Ace or King anyway ;):)

    GOOD LUCK in Manchester this week mate :)
    So you have evolved from a player who swore by the merits of playing, 76, KJ, and K9, even after big raises, reraises etc, to one that now folds top two.
    The quote went something like, I am never folding once I have hit top pair.
    Not necessarily a step in the right direction.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,517
    HAYSIE said:

    MattBates said:

    I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding

    Would the actual player shoving make a difference to you?
    I dont really know the player involved in this case.
    But it would seem that the AK is losing to all the hands that a good player is likely to shove in this case, ie AA, KK, 55, 33, and 42.
    The exceptions would be if the shover was also playing AK, or was bluffing.
    You could maybe rule out the AA, and KK, due to the lack of a reraise, but that again maybe down to the quality of the player.
    A good player would probably reraise, where an average player may not.
    Another possibility is that the other player thinks he is in front with a king and a worse kicker.
    So are you never folding irrespective of the other player involved?
    Sorry Matt,
    I misread this.
    I should have looked at the hand again.
    For some reason I thought the guy shoved the turn, and the river was the Ace.
    Just ignore me.
    I was thinking he shoved without seeing the Ace.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 168,715
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    MattBates said:

    I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding

    Would the actual player shoving make a difference to you?
    I dont really know the player involved in this case.
    But it would seem that the AK is losing to all the hands that a good player is likely to shove in this case, ie AA, KK, 55, 33, and 42.
    The exceptions would be if the shover was also playing AK, or was bluffing.
    You could maybe rule out the AA, and KK, due to the lack of a reraise, but that again maybe down to the quality of the player.
    A good player would probably reraise, where an average player may not.
    Another possibility is that the other player thinks he is in front with a king and a worse kicker.
    So are you never folding irrespective of the other player involved?

    Just ignore me.

    @HAYSIE

    Don't worry, we already do.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,517
    Tikay10 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    MattBates said:

    I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding

    Would the actual player shoving make a difference to you?
    I dont really know the player involved in this case.
    But it would seem that the AK is losing to all the hands that a good player is likely to shove in this case, ie AA, KK, 55, 33, and 42.
    The exceptions would be if the shover was also playing AK, or was bluffing.
    You could maybe rule out the AA, and KK, due to the lack of a reraise, but that again maybe down to the quality of the player.
    A good player would probably reraise, where an average player may not.
    Another possibility is that the other player thinks he is in front with a king and a worse kicker.
    So are you never folding irrespective of the other player involved?

    Just ignore me.

    @HAYSIE

    Don't worry, we already do.
    I know.
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