I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding
Cheers Matt.....I thought it was the best option........ (after I'd had a lot longer to think about it !) At the time I convinced myself that he must have had a SET of 3s or 5's, and because it was so early in the Semi, I thought it was better/safer to FOLD ...... @junior10 later told me he had A-Q
I should have remembered How LUCKY I am, and I'd have hit another Ace or King anyway
This was the 7th hand in, in the SPT 3-seat Semi ...... Do you CALL the SHOVE or FOLD?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
karlluke
Small blind
10.00
10.00
2970.00
MISTY4ME
Big blind
20.00
30.00
3300.00
Your hole cards
A
K
The_Boat
Call
20.00
50.00
3660.00
junior10
Call
20.00
70.00
2940.00
TheSaw
Call
20.00
90.00
2040.00
karlluke
Fold
MISTY4ME
Raise
80.00
170.00
3220.00
The_Boat
Call
80.00
250.00
3580.00
junior10
Call
80.00
330.00
2860.00
TheSaw
Call
80.00
410.00
1960.00
Flop
K
3
5
MISTY4ME
Bet
260.00
670.00
2960.00
The_Boat
Fold
junior10
Call
260.00
930.00
2600.00
TheSaw
Call
260.00
1190.00
1700.00
Turn
A
MISTY4ME
Bet
595.00
1785.00
2365.00
junior10
All-in
2600.00
4385.00
0.00
TheSaw
Fold
MISTY4ME
??
I dont know why you would post this? As I am no poker expert, I will answer from a common sense point of view. I can only assume that you didnt win. Otherwise it would be a bit of a damp squib. to point out that you played AK, hit top two, and won the pot. There are a number of players on the site that ignore the odds, and claim that it is fixed or rigged. The best hand preflop doesnt always win, as we all know. The odds tell us poorer hands win less often, but not never. Most of us would consider AK a much better hand than say 89s. This is borne out by the odds as the AK wins 60% of the time. That means the 89s wins 4 times out of 10. Although this may not deter many people from considering hurling their laptop through the window when it does actually happen.
Back to the hand. As far as I can see, at this stage you are losing to pocket aces, kings, 5s, or3s, or 42. 42 would seem less likely, but the blinds were very low, even so it is 34% to win against AK. So 42 wins once out of three, and AK twice. Kings and aces are massive favourites. Both small pocket pairs are slight favourites preflop.
So is the moral of the story, I lost a pot when I started as the underdog?
On the question of whether to call or not, what would be the point of playing AK, hitting two pair and folding?
I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding
Would the actual player shoving make a difference to you? I dont really know the player involved in this case. But it would seem that the AK is losing to all the hands that a good player is likely to shove in this case, ie AA, KK, 55, 33, and 42. The exceptions would be if the shover was also playing AK, or was bluffing. You could maybe rule out the AA, and KK, due to the lack of a reraise, but that again maybe down to the quality of the player. A good player would probably reraise, where an average player may not. Another possibility is that the other player thinks he is in front with a king and a worse kicker. So are you never folding irrespective of the other player involved?
I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding
Cheers Matt.....I thought it was the best option........ (after I'd had a lot longer to think about it !) At the time I convinced myself that he must have had a SET of 3s or 5's, and because it was so early in the Semi, I thought it was better/safer to FOLD ...... @junior10 later told me he had A-Q
I should have remembered How LUCKY I am, and I'd have hit another Ace or King anyway
GOOD LUCK in Manchester this week mate
So you have evolved from a player who swore by the merits of playing, 76, KJ, and K9, even after big raises, reraises etc, to one that now folds top two. The quote went something like, I am never folding once I have hit top pair. Not necessarily a step in the right direction.
I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding
Would the actual player shoving make a difference to you? I dont really know the player involved in this case. But it would seem that the AK is losing to all the hands that a good player is likely to shove in this case, ie AA, KK, 55, 33, and 42. The exceptions would be if the shover was also playing AK, or was bluffing. You could maybe rule out the AA, and KK, due to the lack of a reraise, but that again maybe down to the quality of the player. A good player would probably reraise, where an average player may not. Another possibility is that the other player thinks he is in front with a king and a worse kicker. So are you never folding irrespective of the other player involved?
Sorry Matt, I misread this. I should have looked at the hand again. For some reason I thought the guy shoved the turn, and the river was the Ace. Just ignore me. I was thinking he shoved without seeing the Ace.
I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding
Would the actual player shoving make a difference to you? I dont really know the player involved in this case. But it would seem that the AK is losing to all the hands that a good player is likely to shove in this case, ie AA, KK, 55, 33, and 42. The exceptions would be if the shover was also playing AK, or was bluffing. You could maybe rule out the AA, and KK, due to the lack of a reraise, but that again maybe down to the quality of the player. A good player would probably reraise, where an average player may not. Another possibility is that the other player thinks he is in front with a king and a worse kicker. So are you never folding irrespective of the other player involved?
I wouldn't be folding top 2 here. It's not great when they shove but still not folding
Would the actual player shoving make a difference to you? I dont really know the player involved in this case. But it would seem that the AK is losing to all the hands that a good player is likely to shove in this case, ie AA, KK, 55, 33, and 42. The exceptions would be if the shover was also playing AK, or was bluffing. You could maybe rule out the AA, and KK, due to the lack of a reraise, but that again maybe down to the quality of the player. A good player would probably reraise, where an average player may not. Another possibility is that the other player thinks he is in front with a king and a worse kicker. So are you never folding irrespective of the other player involved?
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This was the 7th hand in, in the SPT 3-seat Semi ...... Do you CALL the SHOVE or FOLD?
Not loving life, but it is a sigh call for me.
Any other HELP?
Matt @MattBates , Danny @FeelGroggy , Phil @PBKR , Danny @Itsover4u ,Chris @rspca12 (though I'm pretty sure I know you would be calling Chris
Cheers and GOOD LUCK every1
At the time I convinced myself that he must have had a SET of 3s or 5's, and because it was so early in the Semi, I thought it was better/safer to FOLD ...... @junior10 later told me he had A-Q
I should have remembered How LUCKY I am, and I'd have hit another Ace or King anyway
GOOD LUCK in Manchester this week mate
On a run of brutal beats at the wrong times. Mot moaning-something that we all go through
Hope Manchester goes really well. Sure I will be at the next one. SPTs are the most enjoyable live events. By far.
As I am no poker expert, I will answer from a common sense point of view.
I can only assume that you didnt win.
Otherwise it would be a bit of a damp squib. to point out that you played AK, hit top two, and won the pot.
There are a number of players on the site that ignore the odds, and claim that it is fixed or rigged.
The best hand preflop doesnt always win, as we all know.
The odds tell us poorer hands win less often, but not never.
Most of us would consider AK a much better hand than say 89s.
This is borne out by the odds as the AK wins 60% of the time.
That means the 89s wins 4 times out of 10.
Although this may not deter many people from considering hurling their laptop through the window when it does actually happen.
Back to the hand.
As far as I can see, at this stage you are losing to pocket aces, kings, 5s, or3s, or 42.
42 would seem less likely, but the blinds were very low, even so it is 34% to win against AK.
So 42 wins once out of three, and AK twice.
Kings and aces are massive favourites.
Both small pocket pairs are slight favourites preflop.
So is the moral of the story, I lost a pot when I started as the underdog?
On the question of whether to call or not, what would be the point of playing AK, hitting two pair and folding?
I dont really know the player involved in this case.
But it would seem that the AK is losing to all the hands that a good player is likely to shove in this case, ie AA, KK, 55, 33, and 42.
The exceptions would be if the shover was also playing AK, or was bluffing.
You could maybe rule out the AA, and KK, due to the lack of a reraise, but that again maybe down to the quality of the player.
A good player would probably reraise, where an average player may not.
Another possibility is that the other player thinks he is in front with a king and a worse kicker.
So are you never folding irrespective of the other player involved?
The quote went something like, I am never folding once I have hit top pair.
Not necessarily a step in the right direction.
I misread this.
I should have looked at the hand again.
For some reason I thought the guy shoved the turn, and the river was the Ace.
Just ignore me.
I was thinking he shoved without seeing the Ace.
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