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Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,471
I was interested to read that for Tikay the poker bug is omnipresent. Is this the same for most regular players on here?

For me it’s totally gone.
My poker journey started around 20 years ago.
Live poker was where i began and that still holds an interest for me.

Maybe it’s a combination of things that have led me to where i am now. Coronavirus obviously stopped live poker for a period of time. My last live experience was SPT Nottingham in the Autumn before lockdown.
I think maybe age makes us a little more responsible as well.
Going way back to the beginning my buy ins were far far higher than they are today.
I’d play 5 nights a week at Gala Nottingham. Monday was £20 pot limit rebuy. Tuesday was student night and a £10 buy in with 3 rebuys maximum. Wednesday a £30 freeze. Thursday a £50 2 rebuy max buy in and Friday another £20 pot limit unlimited rebuy.
It used to add up to a fair amount but i didn’t care
Maybe it’s like the golfer who gets the yips as he gets older. I’m thinking about the cost and probably talking decisions accordingly when i’m playing which is obviously never going to end well

There’s also the fact that i’m not as good as i was. Never a star but i used to do ok. Now i still make a little bit but not enough to make it worth it

I got into dyms and in the days of 30% rakeback regardless of amount played plus raketherake bonuses i’d be able to make reasonable side income

I also have more responsibility and don’t feel i can spare the time so much. Certainly not to study.

I never ever thought that i’d fall out of love with poker. I assumed that i’d play forever. I still will play but the urge doesn’t hit me very often

Can you see it changing for yourselves or will poker always be a big part of your lives?
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  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 7,958
    Jac35 said:

    I was interested to read that for Tikay the poker bug is omnipresent. Is this the same for most regular players on here?

    For me it’s totally gone.
    My poker journey started around 20 years ago.
    Live poker was where i began and that still holds an interest for me.

    Maybe it’s a combination of things that have led me to where i am now. Coronavirus obviously stopped live poker for a period of time. My last live experience was SPT Nottingham in the Autumn before lockdown.
    I think maybe age makes us a little more responsible as well.
    Going way back to the beginning my buy ins were far far higher than they are today.
    I’d play 5 nights a week at Gala Nottingham. Monday was £20 pot limit rebuy. Tuesday was student night and a £10 buy in with 3 rebuys maximum. Wednesday a £30 freeze. Thursday a £50 2 rebuy max buy in and Friday another £20 pot limit unlimited rebuy.
    It used to add up to a fair amount but i didn’t care
    Maybe it’s like the golfer who gets the yips as he gets older. I’m thinking about the cost and probably talking decisions accordingly when i’m playing which is obviously never going to end well

    There’s also the fact that i’m not as good as i was. Never a star but i used to do ok. Now i still make a little bit but not enough to make it worth it

    I got into dyms and in the days of 30% rakeback regardless of amount played plus raketherake bonuses i’d be able to make reasonable side income

    I also have more responsibility and don’t feel i can spare the time so much. Certainly not to study.

    I never ever thought that i’d fall out of love with poker. I assumed that i’d play forever. I still will play but the urge doesn’t hit me very often

    Can you see it changing for yourselves or will poker always be a big part of your lives?

    I am sure that a lot of people feel the same way. I am certainly playing less than I used to.

    It is almost certainly the case that you are a better player now than you were then. The differences are that:-

    1. A lot of the weaker players have gone, particularly from online poker. Variety of reasons for that-some of it is inevitable, but experienced players playing at the very lowest levels to bully newbies and online tracking have increased that

    2. Standards have improved massively. I am confident that I am a better player than I was 10 years ago. But my profit has dropped by about 80%.

    Poker will always be a part of my life. Online poker? Not so sure.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,723
    Hi Paul

    Poker for me was never about making money, maybe that’s what has kept my interest going.
    It’s a way of keeping my brain occupied in my latter years. Getting into the live SPT’s through satellite is such a buzz though.
    I find having a good work/life balance critical in keeping as sane and happy as one can, and playing to make a profit would put undue stress on me after a hard days work.
    Increasingly I find myself drawn to chess to keep the brain ticking over.
  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,615
    I don't play as much as I used to i rarely make the 50 points now always tired in the week if i play its a couple of early tournaments, i play more at weekends but even that it's getting less and less, I played 3 this weekend
    Reasons, tired, cba, the wife's shift, she works till 7 and I have to pick her up
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 158,829

    Terrific thread, well done @Jac35

  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,075
    Makes perfect sense.

    I've always enjoyed poker and realised that for me playing online was just a bit of fun and the nightly comps at either Grosvenor or Genting in Stoke were the real thing. The buy ins were doable and the guarantees made them worth playing.

    However, live poker has for the moment gone. I don't relish a trip to either Walsall or DTD just to play tougher games against better players and with that so has a lot of my desire for the game.

    For me I suppose it's a little bit like when you recognise that the all consuming passion you had for a partner has waned. Yes you still love her / him but it's somehow different, you will always show fidelity and be faithful but whereas once you set the room on fire with **** 24/7, now you're content to just snuggle and relish the closeness.

    I will always have a love for poker but it's not the same as it was and i don't think it ever will be.
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,212
    Age is a big part of it for me, I struggle to sit at the PC for more the a couple of hours that's when the aches and pains creep in, tried playin in my iphone but struggle to see even with ma coke a cola bottle reading glasses on, then I take ma tablets and I'm in the land of nod before 10 pm, 10 years ago I only needed about 5 hours sleep now I need about 11, bummer.
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    Not read the replies just yet.

    Sure you wrote a similar post a while ago about being bored with poker.

    If you are making posts like this then I reckon a break maybe worthwhile and would say that to anyone in that position.

    Are you into fitness, sports, movies, what about learning new skills or watching a new TV show? Doesn't matter in a way as getting something else in place to "fill the poker gap" and help with a potential break.

    Just does not seem worth it to play if your not having fun for a few reasons. Likely you will be back and when your "ready" to have fun playing poker again. If not..... well :blush:
  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    Great replies!

    Good bit of variety on where we are all at. I am enjoying online poker at the moment, Live - not played in a Casino for about 6 months or more and in no hurry to. Convenience and don't have the drive to get into casinos or home games right now. It's a whole night and prefer to dip in and out on Sky mostly.

    Not tied to the laptop most nights I have time to play as not at the business end of tourneys much these days :P
  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,012
    Cammykaze said:

    Great replies!

    Good bit of variety on where we are all at. I am enjoying online poker at the moment, Live - not played in a Casino for about 6 months or more and in no hurry to. Convenience and don't have the drive to get into casinos or home games right now. It's a whole night and prefer to dip in and out on Sky mostly.

    Not tied to the laptop most nights I have time to play as not at the business end of tourneys much these days :P

    Are you allowed in any casinos?
  • daggers747daggers747 Member Posts: 186
    Not sure that anyone can give you solutions.

    But poker for most players on sky is for recreational fun.

    If it isnt fun cut down or find another hobby.

    Lifes to short to do things you arnt enjoying.

    Good luck.

    Daggers x
  • gregkdy82gregkdy82 Member Posts: 528
    edited March 2022
    Hey @jac35 sorry to hear your not enjoying the game anymore.

    When I started playing on here 3 years ago that was me coming back from a 3 year break of not playing for pretty similar reasons to which you are considering stopping for. When I started out here I was pretty skeptical about how long I would last. At that time yourself and the player @Mayhem357 were doing well in the dyms making decent profits. Seeing this inspired by the me to stick with it as I thought to myself I can do as good as these guys and after a while I was. I then found this forum started reading tikays results thread and there you were popping up on it left right and centre. I remember seeing you had won the £33 bounty hunter on a Sunday night and being well jealous :D so it's fair to say you inspired me to start getting back into mtt play too. When I had my best mtt win rather than be jealous you were first to congratulate me. I really appreciated that. You are a good guy jac35. Even though you are as tough an op as there is in the dyms I'm sorry to see you hardly play them anymore. I enjoyed battling it out with you and always enjoyed your responses to my snidey chat box comments ☺

    I don't play the mtts here anymore. Partly because I've a different job that l need to get up at 5am for but the main reason I stopped is unlike the dyms on here they have gotten harder. Players who used to be pretty pathetic are now better than me. This is what happens if you've only a small player pool and a good percentage of them are in their own private group sharing information and paying for coaching from each other. I watched that interview matt bates done with the baldy lad on twitch a while back where he was giving it 'this guy does my maths for me' 'chickenmelts phoned me about this theory' etc etc. I am very much an every man for himself type of guy so I've no time for this bs. It sickened me that this stuff went on and put me right off playing here. What chance have I got of getting some mtt cash as a non educated £2 dym player when this is what I'm up against? However I have started an account on another site (GG poker) and use it solely for playing mtts this has invigorated me as I too was getting fed up of poker again. Maybe this is something you could consider?


  • CammykazeCammykaze Member Posts: 1,397
    edited March 2022
    gregkdy82 said:

    Hey @jac35 sorry to hear your not enjoying the game anymore.

    When I started playing on here 3 years ago that was me coming back from a 3 year break of not playing for pretty similar reasons to which you are considering stopping for. When I started out here I was pretty skeptical about how long I would last. At that time yourself and the player @Mayhem357 were doing well in the dyms making decent profits. Seeing this inspired by the me to stick with it as I thought to myself I can do as good as these guys and after a while I was. I then found this forum started reading tikays results thread and there you were popping up on it left right and centre. I remember seeing you had won the £33 bounty hunter on a Sunday night and being well jealous :D so it's fair to say you inspired me to start getting back into mtt play too. When I had my best mtt win rather than be jealous you were first to congratulate me. I really appreciated that. You are a good guy jac35. Even though you are as tough an op as there is in the dyms I'm sorry to see you hardly play them anymore. I enjoyed battling it out with you and always enjoyed your responses to my snidey chat box comments ☺

    I don't play the mtts here anymore. Partly because I've a different job that l need to get up at 5am for but the main reason I stopped is unlike the dyms on here they have gotten harder. Players who used to be pretty pathetic are now better than me. This is what happens if you've only a small player pool and a good percentage of them are in their own private group sharing information and paying for coaching from each other. I watched that interview matt bates done with the baldy lad on twitch a while back where he was giving it 'this guy does my maths for me' 'chickenmelts phoned me about this theory' etc etc. I am very much an every man for himself type of guy so I've no time for this bs. It sickened me that this stuff went on and put me right off playing here. What chance have I got of getting some mtt cash as a non educated £2 dym player when this is what I'm up against? However I have started an account on another site (GG poker) and use it solely for playing mtts this has invigorated me as I too was getting fed up of poker again. Maybe this is something you could consider?


    Like your post for the most part. The bold bit is a bit bold I would say ;) and you seem quite straightforward :)

    Do think you are being a little unfair in my experience with the group (assume it's the other online messaging one). I don't have the full details of things however did enjoy my time there for the most part.

    May have picked up one part of the interview, if the same one it's three hours long and have watched the first 30 mins or so a while ago. Think, and I hope this comes across ok, that it is idealistic thinking not expect poker players to exchange information especially if they are on friendly terms.

    There could be a group within a group as it were. Some folks will get on better than others and maybe the better players of the same group have their own. Not saying that's the case, just that it could be the case.

    I say this as a 'lone wolf' type in poker terms and do not completely disagree with you on it, it could be seen as being smart and getting the money from the other side. Good business however point taken that it can also be seen as 'hoovering up' the money from the site.
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,471
    Cammykaze said:

    Not read the replies just yet.

    Sure you wrote a similar post a while ago about being bored with poker.

    If you are making posts like this then I reckon a break maybe worthwhile and would say that to anyone in that position.

    Are you into fitness, sports, movies, what about learning new skills or watching a new TV show? Doesn't matter in a way as getting something else in place to "fill the poker gap" and help with a potential break.

    Just does not seem worth it to play if your not having fun for a few reasons. Likely you will be back and when your "ready" to have fun playing poker again. If not..... well :blush:

    Thanks for your post
    I wasn’t really looking for advice to be honest. My other hobbies are nicely filling the gap
    I’ve already made my decision :)
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,471
    edited March 2022
    gregkdy82 said:

    Hey @jac35 sorry to hear your not enjoying the game anymore.

    When I started playing on here 3 years ago that was me coming back from a 3 year break of not playing for pretty similar reasons to which you are considering stopping for. When I started out here I was pretty skeptical about how long I would last. At that time yourself and the player @Mayhem357 were doing well in the dyms making decent profits. Seeing this inspired by the me to stick with it as I thought to myself I can do as good as these guys and after a while I was. I then found this forum started reading tikays results thread and there you were popping up on it left right and centre. I remember seeing you had won the £33 bounty hunter on a Sunday night and being well jealous :D so it's fair to say you inspired me to start getting back into mtt play too. When I had my best mtt win rather than be jealous you were first to congratulate me. I really appreciated that. You are a good guy jac35. Even though you are as tough an op as there is in the dyms I'm sorry to see you hardly play them anymore. I enjoyed battling it out with you and always enjoyed your responses to my snidey chat box comments ☺

    I don't play the mtts here anymore. Partly because I've a different job that l need to get up at 5am for but the main reason I stopped is unlike the dyms on here they have gotten harder. Players who used to be pretty pathetic are now better than me. This is what happens if you've only a small player pool and a good percentage of them are in their own private group sharing information and paying for coaching from each other. I watched that interview matt bates done with the baldy lad on twitch a while back where he was giving it 'this guy does my maths for me' 'chickenmelts phoned me about this theory' etc etc. I am very much an every man for himself type of guy so I've no time for this bs. It sickened me that this stuff went on and put me right off playing here. What chance have I got of getting some mtt cash as a non educated £2 dym player when this is what I'm up against? However I have started an account on another site (GG poker) and use it solely for playing mtts this has invigorated me as I too was getting fed up of poker again. Maybe this is something you could consider?


    Thanks for the kind words Greg

    With regard to the last paragraph i think you may have misjudged things a little
    There is no real extra advantage for anyone in the discord group.
    People have been talking about poker and helping one another forever.
    There are really decent people in there who enjoy poker
    You could always join the group and potentially benefit from the advice of some really good players?
  • ToffeeandyToffeeandy Member Posts: 903
    Jac35 said:

    gregkdy82 said:

    Hey @jac35 sorry to hear your not enjoying the game anymore.

    When I started playing on here 3 years ago that was me coming back from a 3 year break of not playing for pretty similar reasons to which you are considering stopping for. When I started out here I was pretty skeptical about how long I would last. At that time yourself and the player @Mayhem357 were doing well in the dyms making decent profits. Seeing this inspired by the me to stick with it as I thought to myself I can do as good as these guys and after a while I was. I then found this forum started reading tikays results thread and there you were popping up on it left right and centre. I remember seeing you had won the £33 bounty hunter on a Sunday night and being well jealous :D so it's fair to say you inspired me to start getting back into mtt play too. When I had my best mtt win rather than be jealous you were first to congratulate me. I really appreciated that. You are a good guy jac35. Even though you are as tough an op as there is in the dyms I'm sorry to see you hardly play them anymore. I enjoyed battling it out with you and always enjoyed your responses to my snidey chat box comments ☺

    I don't play the mtts here anymore. Partly because I've a different job that l need to get up at 5am for but the main reason I stopped is unlike the dyms on here they have gotten harder. Players who used to be pretty pathetic are now better than me. This is what happens if you've only a small player pool and a good percentage of them are in their own private group sharing information and paying for coaching from each other. I watched that interview matt bates done with the baldy lad on twitch a while back where he was giving it 'this guy does my maths for me' 'chickenmelts phoned me about this theory' etc etc. I am very much an every man for himself type of guy so I've no time for this bs. It sickened me that this stuff went on and put me right off playing here. What chance have I got of getting some mtt cash as a non educated £2 dym player when this is what I'm up against? However I have started an account on another site (GG poker) and use it solely for playing mtts this has invigorated me as I too was getting fed up of poker again. Maybe this is something you could consider?


    Thanks for the kind words Greg

    With regard to the last paragraph i think you may have misjudged things a little
    There is no real extra advantage for anyone in the discord group.
    People have been talking about poker and helping one another forever.
    There are really decent people in there who enjoy poker
    You could always join the group and potentially benefit from the advice of some really good players?
    and @PKRPar who is in there too.
  • TheWaddyTheWaddy Member Posts: 1,592
    Its amazing you guys can actually express how online poker is treating you quite candidly here and that you all seem to be having quite a negative downswing on poker experiences.

    This is not conveyed when speaking to me, however, when in those instances online poker is the bomb and im so far off the mark in thinking things are not what they used to be....
  • kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,526
    TheWaddy said:

    Its amazing you guys can actually express how online poker is treating you quite candidly here and that you all seem to be having quite a negative downswing on poker experiences.

    This is not conveyed when speaking to me, however, when in those instances online poker is the bomb and im so far off the mark in thinking things are not what they used to be....

    The argument here is that poker is less fun now due to the many reasons stated above, not one of which is that the RNG is rigged.

    Your argument is that the RNG is rigged.

    Most people are disagreeing with your opinion, not with your personality.
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118

    TheWaddy said:

    Its amazing you guys can actually express how online poker is treating you quite candidly here and that you all seem to be having quite a negative downswing on poker experiences.

    This is not conveyed when speaking to me, however, when in those instances online poker is the bomb and im so far off the mark in thinking things are not what they used to be....

    The argument here is that poker is less fun now due to the many reasons stated above, not one of which is that the RNG is rigged.

    Your argument is that the RNG is rigged.

    Most people are disagreeing with your opinion, not with your personality.
    Yeah, It is hard to take you seriously @TheWaddy because you just appear quite delusional. You have the win rate you do but actually think it should be a lot higher and is lower because of the RNG.
  • MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    Jac35 said:

    gregkdy82 said:

    Hey @jac35 sorry to hear your not enjoying the game anymore.

    When I started playing on here 3 years ago that was me coming back from a 3 year break of not playing for pretty similar reasons to which you are considering stopping for. When I started out here I was pretty skeptical about how long I would last. At that time yourself and the player @Mayhem357 were doing well in the dyms making decent profits. Seeing this inspired by the me to stick with it as I thought to myself I can do as good as these guys and after a while I was. I then found this forum started reading tikays results thread and there you were popping up on it left right and centre. I remember seeing you had won the £33 bounty hunter on a Sunday night and being well jealous :D so it's fair to say you inspired me to start getting back into mtt play too. When I had my best mtt win rather than be jealous you were first to congratulate me. I really appreciated that. You are a good guy jac35. Even though you are as tough an op as there is in the dyms I'm sorry to see you hardly play them anymore. I enjoyed battling it out with you and always enjoyed your responses to my snidey chat box comments ☺

    I don't play the mtts here anymore. Partly because I've a different job that l need to get up at 5am for but the main reason I stopped is unlike the dyms on here they have gotten harder. Players who used to be pretty pathetic are now better than me. This is what happens if you've only a small player pool and a good percentage of them are in their own private group sharing information and paying for coaching from each other. I watched that interview matt bates done with the baldy lad on twitch a while back where he was giving it 'this guy does my maths for me' 'chickenmelts phoned me about this theory' etc etc. I am very much an every man for himself type of guy so I've no time for this bs. It sickened me that this stuff went on and put me right off playing here. What chance have I got of getting some mtt cash as a non educated £2 dym player when this is what I'm up against? However I have started an account on another site (GG poker) and use it solely for playing mtts this has invigorated me as I too was getting fed up of poker again. Maybe this is something you could consider?


    Thanks for the kind words Greg

    With regard to the last paragraph i think you may have misjudged things a little
    There is no real extra advantage for anyone in the discord group.
    People have been talking about poker and helping one another forever.
    There are really decent people in there who enjoy poker
    You could always join the group and potentially benefit from the advice of some really good players?
    Greg

    As a few others have said, pretty surprised with what you have said, you seem quite shocked that people that play a game for money would work hard at that game and want to improve and get better. People will talk to people with similar interests/passions about those interests whether it be football or poker or some cracking trains and bridges.

    The MTT games have got harder on here as numbers have fallen in MTTs. Numbers aside, games will get harder in a for money game like poker that will always be the case as people want to improve and make money. If you aren't improving then you are going to get worse results. As long as you feel you are getting value for the money you spend on poker that is fine. If you want to make money from poker then thinking you don't have to do any work is a bit delusional. Also, just because people discuss strategy/hands off the tables doesn't mean they can apply strategies correctly in game.

    What you are saying about the discord group is way off. As far as I am aware is no more or less coaching in that group than elsewhere. There aren't many players that play for a living/take poker seriously that don't have people they discuss hands and strategy with. In some situations its friends who are both passionate about poker helping each other, in other instances its someone paying for coaching. This has been going on for years and isn't sky exclusive. The forum has a section for discussing hands, I know its not very active now but do you think that is because people have stopped discussing hands or because they do it elsewhere. Loads of the discord chat is non poker related.

    Playing on another site wont mean you get away from this. Given DYMs are your primary game I am pretty surprised that the games remain so beatable given they are one of the most simple to learn/study for.
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