I totally understand the high stakes players that are annoyed, but in my opinion ALL players deserve to get some sort of 'bonus/reward' for regularly playing on the site.
Hopefully this will help Sky, in the long run grow?
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : Another customer doing the same as you would get the same rewards Posted by 67Bhoys
They were referring to the fact that it doesn't matter whether you've been with the site 1 day or 5 years, X number of points is the same reward for everyone.
DYM rake is completely different and completely unrelated to how long a player has been with the site. Some players have been on the site for years and play 60p DYMs whereas some have been here for a day and are playing £5.50s
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : They were referring to the fact that it doesn't matter whether you've been with the site 1 day or 5 years, X number of points is the same reward for everyone. DYM rake is completely different and completely unrelated to how long a player has been with the site. Some players have been on the site for years and play 60p DYMs whereas some have been here for a day and are playing £5.50s Posted by Lambert180
I beg to differ Paul.
A Customer who is playing a £2.25 DYM gets 3points the same as a player playing a £3.30 DYM. But the effective rake for the £2.25 is 11% under the new scheme but only 9% for the £3.30.
For example
100 games @ £2.25 = £25 rake minus £3.00 C4P = £22 effective rake 11% on the £200 stake
100 games @ £3.30 = £30 rake minus £3.00 C4P = £27 effective rake 9% on the £300 stake.
If Sky really want a fairer system, then let it be fair across the board. The length of time that someone has been on the site has no relevence to this anomoly.
Saying that these rakes have always been thus does not mean they always have to be thus. If Sky can change C4P rewards, then why not rake rates. As has been stated already on this thread, recreational players are the key to the equity of the site. A site were nobody deposits is of little use.
I refer you back to the original quote from Sky, and would say noble sentiments, but maybe a tad hypocritical.
Now that there is no minimum points requirement to qualify for rakeback, what's stopping sky from introducing "low rake" cash tables? Where we pay less rake, but don't earn any points whilst playing them? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I really like the suggested ideas by dohhhhhh. would be interested in seeing them implemented. I'll leave the other elements of the discussion. I'm clearly naive for not realising i am subconsciously employed by Sky
Wonder if I'll get a p45 for leaving when they stop giving me free money
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : Bump. Why don't any sites do this? Sky could be the first & it would be a huge USP! Unless I've missed something? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : Why would Sky do this ? Don't see the benefit for Sky. Posted by rancid
Because they will be very popular with customers, especially "fish", or 'recreational players'.
What Sky lose in rake, they save in rakeback.
Market it properly it would work v well imo.
Before, when ppl needed 500 points to make rakeback, sky wud lose out on a few quid, because they were taking rake from some players and not having to give any back (people who make <500) but not now that everyone qualifies.
Note I'm suggesting lower rake tables, not rake-free tables. It's literally pennies, but as a USP it's huge. Why wud any non-grinder play a normal table when these r available?
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : Because they will be very popular with customers, especially "fish", or 'recreational players'. What Sky lose in rake, they save in rakeback. Market it properly it would work v well imo. Before, when ppl needed 500 points to make rakeback, sky wud lose out on a few quid, because they were taking rake from some players and not having to give any back (people who make <500) but not now that everyone qualifies. Note I'm suggesting lower rake tables, not rake-free tables. It's literally pennies, but as a USP it's huge. Why wud any non-grinder play a normal table when these r available? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
The difference between normally raked, and rake minus points value, would be so negligible that, for anyone who bothered to work it out, it would hardly be worth worrying about.
Obviously, it could be that people would play these games, thinking it is better value than it really is.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : The difference between normally raked, and rake minus points value, would be so negligible that, for anyone who bothered to work it out, it would hardly be worth worrying about. Obviously, it could be that people would play these games, thinking it is better value than it really is. Posted by jakally
Yah, this is what I'm getting at....ish....
Not trying to con people, they are saving money. The 'house' takes less off them.
It's better value for these/(us) non-rakeback orientated players (most people) to play these tables (if/when they are introduced), than normal tables, in more than one way.
It is what it is, you get the same (arguably better) playing experience and it costs you less to play.
I personally think that introducing both turbo cash tables and ante cash tables would be an excellent way of giving the recreational player/casual player more value for money/a better experience as these tables would be less likely to be populated by 12+ tabling regs as they won't want to play in a game where they only have 5 seconds to make a decision and also be charged for folding every hand.
I personally think that introducing both turbo cash tables and ante cash tables would be an excellent way of giving the recreational player/casual player more value for money/a better experience as these tables would be less likely to be populated by 12+ tabling regs as they won't want to play in a game where they only have 5 seconds to make a decision and also be charged for folding every hand. Posted by scotty77
i hope i don't sound to silly, but i thought you played poker for fun, and not to lose, and make a few quid, now some of us start by trying to win a few quid and progress up the ladder, poker points don't come into it.
Now it seems to be the most important thing, you got to remember its a bonus, if you have to rely on cash for points then there something wrong, if you earn 10,20,30k points or more you must be earning a fair few quid, that's what the important thing is, point are a bonus if you get one good luck to you.
i am a micro player, don't earn enough points to get a bonus, but i still wont go chasing point, will not till i am confident enough to multi table anyway, all i do is enjoy myself and have fun.
Do sky not want 12 tabling regs? Posted by Donttelmum
of course they do. every poker site needs them. its all about getting a mix of grinders/recreational players
I'm a 12-20 tbaling reg but also realise for the heatlh of the poker economy that the focus should be on making the experience a fun one for the customer. Thats why Bounty Hunters are so popular on Sky for example.
Sky are taking rake in the first place, the rakeback isn't exactly something we are getting for nothing. I pay over £4k a month in rake and over £250k since I started playing poker. I shop around to see who is offering good deals and while they vary 30% is the least I would take. I play to win and always have, but we all have bad months and when I do I rely on rakeback to pay the bills. It always acted as abit of a safety net and of course Im not over the moon about getting less back but Im not going to complain about it. I will finish this month and maybe even play next month to see what effect the change has, but after that will try another deal somewhere else. No big deal. My £4k a month will mean nothing to sky in the grand scheme of things. I have played poker as a source of income for 7 years and only the last 5-6 months on sky. There are many sites out there and some with better rb deals. I have found that sky's community is untouchable and the tv channel and presenters are a massive plus too. Each to their own but when playing for a living the numbers are the thing that matters.
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From my point of view this is good!
I totally understand the high stakes players that are annoyed, but in my opinion ALL players deserve to get some sort of 'bonus/reward' for regularly playing on the site.
Hopefully this will help Sky, in the long run grow?
DYM rake is completely different and completely unrelated to how long a player has been with the site. Some players have been on the site for years and play 60p DYMs whereas some have been here for a day and are playing £5.50s
A Customer who is playing a £2.25 DYM gets 3points the same as a player playing a £3.30 DYM. But the effective rake for the £2.25 is 11% under the new scheme but only 9% for the £3.30.
For example
100 games @ £2.25 = £25 rake minus £3.00 C4P = £22 effective rake 11% on the £200 stake
100 games @ £3.30 = £30 rake minus £3.00 C4P = £27 effective rake 9% on the £300 stake.
If Sky really want a fairer system, then let it be fair across the board. The length of time that someone has been on the site has no relevence to this anomoly.
Saying that these rakes have always been thus does not mean they always have to be thus. If Sky can change C4P rewards, then why not rake rates. As has been stated already on this thread, recreational players are the key to the equity of the site. A site were nobody deposits is of little use.
I refer you back to the original quote from Sky, and would say noble sentiments, but maybe a tad hypocritical.
Bump.
Why don't any sites do this?
Sky could be the first & it would be a huge USP!
Unless I've missed something?
Wonder if I'll get a p45 for leaving when they stop giving me free money
Why would Sky do this ?
Don't see the benefit for Sky.
Obviously, it could be that people would play these games, thinking it is better value than it really is.
i hope i don't sound to silly, but i thought you played poker for fun, and not to lose, and make a few quid, now some of us start by trying to win a few quid and progress up the ladder, poker points don't come into it.
Now it seems to be the most important thing, you got to remember its a bonus, if you have to rely on cash for points then there something wrong, if you earn 10,20,30k points or more you must be earning a fair few quid, that's what the important thing is, point are a bonus if you get one good luck to you.
i am a micro player, don't earn enough points to get a bonus, but i still wont go chasing point, will not till i am confident enough to multi table anyway, all i do is enjoy myself and have fun.
Good luck everyone
Glen