But the point being missed is how will we ever attract better players to the site when there are rakebacks of 74% out there with major sites.
More often then not these kind of deals are too good to be true.
These kinds of deals are usually offered by affiliates and not the sites themseleves. These kinds of deals are also the reason why a major network of sites recently launced a two tier cash game system, as the games where full of rakeback grinders which destroyed the games as they a)made the experience a dull one for the recreational/casual player and b) they just took out so much of the liquidity.
I would say that the 30pc RB system is pretty much on par with the 'trusted' brands in the industy, for the level of grinding that most players on here usually achieve.
Obviously schemes like SuperNova/SuperNova Elite are a different prospect entirely, and if Sky were to ever to grow to be able to maintain those kinds of high volume players, then they would certainly deserve some extra rewards.
But the point being missed is how will we ever attract better players to the site when there are rakebacks of 74% out there with major sites. I still see the biggest issue here is by paying so low compaired to the other sites we cant grow this community with very good players which leads to bigger cash and mtts. It is always going to be a brave business decision to cut players c4p esp in these difficult economic times when the customer is now used to shopping arround from there everyday food to high end purchaces. My hope of course is sky come up with something else to keep people happy enough not to leave to the other sites but do we realy want the pool of our best players now even looking at what other sites have to offer which of course the majorty will be doing. Its never a smart business move in my view to let you client base even have a reason to look elsewhere Posted by MRBURNS4
No offense intended but I genuinely couldn't disagree more with the majority of this post. 1) there is no 'we' - Sky are the company I play some internet poker with, nothing more nothing less. There is no requirement that I'm loyal to Sky and any loyality they show to me (c4p) is a bonus and should be seen as such. It's nice to have but I have no divine right or entitlement to this bonus. 2) Why do we want Sky to attract good players? The ideal scenario for the majority of this site would be to attract terrible players who deposit regularly. this is not just a selfish view but would be the best for the whole community. let the great players go and chase the fantasy 74% rakeback elsewhere if they can find it. 3) if the good players look elsewhere that benefits anyone who stays with Sky because we would benefit from softer games and hopefully enjoy great profits.
This isn't a 'we're all in this together' situation. As long as Sky don't go bust I have no interest in their success. I don't care if i see a sky hoodie on the wsop final table or whether the team Sky Poker players are the world's best players. As a customer the service i expect is to be able to play poker on their site. Sky currently deliver this service in a way that i am satisfied with so i play poker here.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : "... how will we ever attract better players to the site when there are rakebacks of 74% out there with major sites" A very small number of people across the entire poker economy would qualify for 74% rakeback. We have looked closely at the deals offered by competitors and are happy that we offer good value to our customers, given all the other things we offer as well. Posted by Sky_Poker
Problem is the new system is simply flawed for SNG & MTT players - there is no increase in reward between level 3 (5k-10k pts) and level 4 (10K - 20k points). Both levels pay the same return on points/rake.
I dont dissagre with the 74% and both what you and Ryan said is true.
However if your raising the point 30% is average thats not the case as to get 30% on new sytem on sky you need to be at top level of c4p whereas as you know the others offer 30% at a lot lower starting point.
So the 30% is not what majority will be loking at in the same way those guys would be looking at some of the 60 and 70% deals out there so saying 30% is average is not comparing like for like.
It cant be spun to say on one hand 74% is for the few and then use your top tier as the comparable.
Dont get me wrong I am a big supporter of this site and I suppose I am trying to find a reason next month why I should stay and like a lot of people that have spoken to me, they are all of the same view we like sky most of us have been here since the start and learnt our game here, however people feel very let down that over last 18months the c4p has been eroded away and now is big cut (yes only at certian levels)
It is excellent we are able to discuss it here and that gives us and sky the fairest opportunity to make decisions.
So my question is what reasons do I have to stay here and I want a postive discussion as mentioned I and a lot of players want to find a reason to stay. This shows your brand is valued but as we seen many valued brands no longer exisit.
I dont dissagre with the 74% and both what you and Ryan said is true. However if your raising the point 30% is average thats not the case as to get 30% on new sytem on sky you need to be at top level of c4p whereas as you know the others offer 30% at a lot lower starting point. So the 30% is not what majority will be loking at in the same way those guys would be looking at some of the 60 and 70% deals out there so saying 30% is average is not comparing like for like. It cant be spun to say on one hand 74% is for the few and then use your top tier as the comparable. Dont get me wrong I am a big supporter of this site and I suppose I am trying to find a reason next month why I should stay and like a lot of people that have spoken to me, they are all of the same view we like sky most of us have been here since the start and learnt our game here, however people feel very let down that over last 18months the c4p has been eroded away and now is big cut (yes only at certian levels) It is excellent we are able to discuss it here and that gives us and sky the fairest opportunity to make decisions. So my question is what reasons do I have to stay here and I want a postive discussion as mentioned I and a lot of players want to find a reason to stay. This shows your brand is valued but as we seen many valued brands no longer exisit. Posted by MRBURNS4
I can give one incredibly huge reason why staying would benefit you
I'm sorry, and I don't usually say stuff like this, but it's genuinely hilarious to read v.awful regs threatening to move sites cos of the slightly worse rakeback. lol brain people, brain.
I'm sorry, and I don't usually say stuff like this, but it's genuinely hilarious to read v.awful regs threatening to move sites cos of the slightly worse rakeback. lol brain people, brain. Posted by percival09
Making such stupid comments like this shows you up for the type of person you must be. It dosent add to a discussion or add any value or benfit to the community. I will not and dont need to prove to people what I have won but then its strange I never have a go at people but when you are comftable in life you dont feel the need to. LOL BRAIN PEOPLE BRAIN
So if you worked for a company for years and one day you went into work and was told your getting a pay cut with the bosses just saying no discussion thats it you would be turing round to people and saying thats fine and laughing?
You then found out they were taking on new staff and gave those people more perks then the existing staff again this would sit well with you and your turn round to the new guy sitting next to you and say" so happy for you that your getting better benfits then me"
Also other comment about me looking to leave before again way out of context, it was down to the lag problem with the software which was making the site unplayable, then Sky reduced I think it was the time bar and this solved the problem.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : Making such stupid comments like this shows you up for the type of person you must be. It dosent add to a discussion or add any value or benfit to the community. I will not and dont need to prove to people what I have won but then its strange I never have a go at people but when you are comftable in life you dont feel the need to. LOL BRAIN PEOPLE BRAIN So if you worked for a company for years and one day you went into work and was told your getting a pay cut with the bosses just saying no discussion thats it you would be turing round to people and saying thats fine and laughing? You then found out they were taking on new staff and gave those people more perks then the existing staff again this would sit well with you and your turn round to the new guy sitting next to you and say" so happy for you that your getting better benfits then me" Also other comment about me looking to leave before again way out of context, it was down to the lag problem with the software which was making the site unplayable, then Sky reduced I think it was the time bar and this solved the problem. Posted by MRBURNS4
seriously?
you do not work for sky. they provide internet poker and you are an insignificant one of thousands of players. we do not get employed by sky and c4p is not a salary.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : Making such stupid comments like this shows you up for the type of person you must be. It dosent add to a discussion or add any value or benfit to the community. I will not and dont need to prove to people what I have won but then its strange I never have a go at people but when you are comftable in life you dont feel the need to. LOL BRAIN PEOPLE BRAIN So if you worked for a company for years and one day you went into work and was told your getting a pay cut with the bosses just saying no discussion thats it you would be turing round to people and saying thats fine and laughing? You then found out they were taking on new staff and gave those people more perks then the existing staff again this would sit well with you and your turn round to the new guy sitting next to you and say" so happy for you that your getting better benfits then me" Also other comment about me looking to leave before again way out of context, it was down to the lag problem with the software which was making the site unplayable, then Sky reduced I think it was the time bar and this solved the problem. Posted by MRBURNS4
Sorry but this is misleading. The offer applies the same to all.
Another customer doing the same as you would get the same rewards.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : Sorry but this is misleading. The offer applies the same to all. Another customer doing the same as you would get the same rewards. Posted by Sky_Poker
I was refering to the new player freeroll that somehow every month gets over 600 runners but the site numbers stay the same, but this comment wasnt direct at sky but the previous poster who thought its funny to lose out on the c4p situation
Yeah Huuuume has pretty much covered it, we don't work for Sky and C4P is in no way a salary or should be guaranteed for life.
A more accurate/relevant example would be if you go into X supermarket and they give you 1p cashback for every £1 you spend. They then change this so you only get 1p cashback per £2 you spend, this is 100% up to the company to make this decision, and they will make the decision they think is best for the majority of their customer base which is in-turn good for them as they make more more from their increased customer base.
From a consumer point of view, you have the option to go to another supermarket, or at least re-assess which supermarkets offer the best value for money. I don't go to M&S and say 'I want to shop here but can you just lower the prices for me', I know their prices are excessive (imo) so I go elsewhere.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : seriously? you do not work for sky. they provide internet poker and you are an insignificant one of thousands of players. we do not get employed by sky and c4p is not a salary. it is a bonus for helping them make money Posted by huuuuume
Are you realy this naive or you just trying to move the discussion away from a sensibile discussion?
the bonus is what it says, A BONUS, But, when you grind alot of hours every day you look upon the C4P bonus like an income, its a point you aim for because of the rewards you receive. 18 months ago, if you grinded 10,000 points you received £343, on top of this there was THE POKER LEAGUE, which you could also earn from, Now for the same 10,000 points under the new system you only receive £200. thats almost a 45% drop in 18 months. it might be an added bonus, but its a bonus offered by many sites, and for a player grinding the hours to achieve this that is a stupid % to have to make up. Does sky only want players that pop on and off the site as they please, or do they wanna start looking after the players that play every day come what may. any player who thinks this is not worth making a point of is either rich or stupid. so if you dont have a lot of money and disagree with what is being said take a look in the mirror and think, 18 said im stupid. thanks
the bonus is what it says, A BONUS, But, when you grind alot of hours every day you look upon the C4P bonus like an income, its a point you aim for because of the rewards you receive. 18 months ago, if you grinded 10,000 points you received £343, on top of this there was THE POKER LEAGUE, which you could also earn from, Now for the same 10,000 points under the new system you only receive £200. thats almost a 45% drop in 18 months. it might be an added bonus, but its a bonus offered by many sites, and for a player grinding the hours to achieve this that is a stupid % to have to make up. Does sky only want players that pop on and off the site as they please, or do they wanna start looking after the players that play every day come what may. any player who thinks this is not worth making a point of is either rich or stupid. so if you dont have a lot of money and disagree with what is being said take a look in the mirror and think, 18 said im stupid. thanks Posted by 18AND5TIME
That only applies to SnG/MTT players.
Cash players get £333 for 10,000 points.
SnG and MTT players got almost DOUBLE the poker points that cash players did for a very long time for paying the EXACT same amount of rake.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : That only applies to SnG/MTT players. Cash players get £333 for 10,000 points. SnG and MTT players got almost DOUBLE the poker points that cash players did for a very long time for paying the EXACT same amount of rake. Posted by Lambert180
I'd rather pay the lower rake that cash players get than the increased points because the same stake by cash and sng/mtt players is cheaper for cash players (including the value of any points)
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : That only applies to SnG/MTT players. Cash players get £333 for 10,000 points. SnG and MTT players got almost DOUBLE the poker points that cash players did for a very long time for paying the EXACT same amount of rake. Posted by Lambert180
why hijack this post to fight for cash rake to be more, i am not making this a seperate issue, the issue i am making is to the new system as a whole, if you had a problem with the rake on cash b4 now it should have been addressed in a post of its own, all as im saying is the new points system stinks for regular grinders
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : That only applies to SnG/MTT players. Cash players get £333 for 10,000 points. SnG and MTT players got almost DOUBLE the poker points that cash players did for a very long time for paying the EXACT same amount of rake. Posted by Lambert180
i assume that would be the max you could expect since it turns to rakeback %. i'd imagine any extra points earned thru happy hours and early bird wouldnt count as they are rake free extra points, so your figure could start dropping depending on when you play. of course this hasnt been confirmed by sky but could they clear that up?
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More often then not these kind of deals are too good to be true.
These kinds of deals are usually offered by affiliates and not the sites themseleves. These kinds of deals are also the reason why a major network of sites recently launced a two tier cash game system, as the games where full of rakeback grinders which destroyed the games as they a)made the experience a dull one for the recreational/casual player and b) they just took out so much of the liquidity.
I would say that the 30pc RB system is pretty much on par with the 'trusted' brands in the industy, for the level of grinding that most players on here usually achieve.
Obviously schemes like SuperNova/SuperNova Elite are a different prospect entirely, and if Sky were to ever to grow to be able to maintain those kinds of high volume players, then they would certainly deserve some extra rewards.
1) there is no 'we' - Sky are the company I play some internet poker with, nothing more nothing less. There is no requirement that I'm loyal to Sky and any loyality they show to me (c4p) is a bonus and should be seen as such. It's nice to have but I have no divine right or entitlement to this bonus.
2) Why do we want Sky to attract good players? The ideal scenario for the majority of this site would be to attract terrible players who deposit regularly. this is not just a selfish view but would be the best for the whole community. let the great players go and chase the fantasy 74% rakeback elsewhere if they can find it.
3) if the good players look elsewhere that benefits anyone who stays with Sky because we would benefit from softer games and hopefully enjoy great profits.
This isn't a 'we're all in this together' situation. As long as Sky don't go bust I have no interest in their success. I don't care if i see a sky hoodie on the wsop final table or whether the team Sky Poker players are the world's best players. As a customer the service i expect is to be able to play poker on their site. Sky currently deliver this service in a way that i am satisfied with so i play poker here.
So if you worked for a company for years and one day you went into work and was told your getting a pay cut with the bosses just saying no discussion thats it you would be turing round to people and saying thats fine and laughing?
You then found out they were taking on new staff and gave those people more perks then the existing staff again this would sit well with you and your turn round to the new guy sitting next to you and say" so happy for you that your getting better benfits then me"
Also other comment about me looking to leave before again way out of context, it was down to the lag problem with the software which was making the site unplayable, then Sky reduced I think it was the time bar and this solved the problem.
you do not work for sky. they provide internet poker and you are an insignificant one of thousands of players. we do not get employed by sky and c4p is not a salary.
it is a bonus for helping them make money
Another customer doing the same as you would get the same rewards.
A more accurate/relevant example would be if you go into X supermarket and they give you 1p cashback for every £1 you spend. They then change this so you only get 1p cashback per £2 you spend, this is 100% up to the company to make this decision, and they will make the decision they think is best for the majority of their customer base which is in-turn good for them as they make more more from their increased customer base.
From a consumer point of view, you have the option to go to another supermarket, or at least re-assess which supermarkets offer the best value for money. I don't go to M&S and say 'I want to shop here but can you just lower the prices for me', I know their prices are excessive (imo) so I go elsewhere.
Cash players get £333 for 10,000 points.
SnG and MTT players got almost DOUBLE the poker points that cash players did for a very long time for paying the EXACT same amount of rake.