Apologies for the tone of my last 2 posts. Was bad timing for me. I had decided at the beginning of the month to make a real push this month and see what happened. After just finishing a 8 hour stint and earning 800 odd points I saw this thread.
I didn't read through it all properly and reacted poorly.
I'm very similar to Nin in that I really do like Sky and want to stay and in all likelihood probably will.
However, the motivation I had to start putting in the really big months has now gone.
Mr BUrns makes good points about the balance between inferior rake back to other sites but a much nicer place to play poker.
For it to be reduced still further is tough to accept.
I do think it is good that all players will now receive rake back. I just don't see why we had to change the whole structure. Surely just c4p from 1 point upwards and everything else stay the same?
Basically all those boring nit rakeback grinders who made a living from the game from c4ps, waiting for aces and kings and coolering people are going to have to find another avenue of income. Posted by bearlyther
yes i am 1 of those nit rakeback dym grinders who make a living from c4p.. and i will sit and wait for big hands in dyms and let the people who get bored of not playing a hand for 10 mins donk themselves out.. As i said on earlier post ill be find an alternative site at end of this month.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : yes i am 1 of those nit rakeback dym grinders who make a living from c4p.. and i will sit and wait for big hands in dyms and let the people who get bored of not playing a hand for 10 mins donk themselves out.. As i said on earlier post ill be find an alternative site at end of this month. Posted by NAILS01197
To be fair, I think he was referring to cash players. Not many will dispute that being tight in DYMs is good.
As AJS said, without sounding harsh, sites continue to function through serial depositors and nothing else. There are people (I'm not having a go at them), who through their own skill who have probably not deposited a penny on the site for years and have done nothing but withdraw. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but the only way this can continue is if others continually pump 'new' money into the site, so anything that encourages people to do this is great.
Of course we're repeating ourselves but just to reiterate - we feel that Sky Poker rewards, combined with the many other things we offer makes Sky Poker good value. We will be offering additional promotions to add more value from our familiar favourites to some new ideas we are discussing. Priority will get more on top of this too.
Of course we're repeating ourselves but just to reiterate - we feel that Sky Poker rewards, combined with the many other things we offer makes Sky Poker good value. We will be offering additional promotions to add more value from our familiar favourites to some new ideas we are discussing. Priority will get more on top of this too. Thanks Sky Poker Posted by Sky_Poker
But that was my point before why would you do a whole new c4p system knowing it will cause some players to be upset and not have your new promos ready to relise at same time as a softner. There is no logic to that but sorry to say very poor managment by someone.
Its no differnce to a company saying here pay more but watch this space some exciting new developments untill something is real it means nothing and customer shops somewhere else
Of course everyone will have there own views on this. I personaly and this comes from someone who currently owns a business and have owned and run big companies in the past. Before I would make a decision to affect my customers I be asking myself what % of my customer base will I lose to the amount I would gain. To be fair to sky they gave the message out a long time a go that the site is a rec site and therefore its not there for the full time player. Sky for a long time has been offering one of the lowest RB in the industry anyway and most of us stay for the USP Sky does offer from the comunity to being a UK site etc Of course someone at sky would sat down down lots of pretty graphs showing drop off rate to gain etc Where I see the errors is for example in Priorty the email states there be new promos etc however Sky relised the cut in c4p without being ready to anounce what those are, that is that in my view is very poor planning as it would have at least given the Priorty team a comeback to use. In the end of it every player will make there own decision but it cant be easy for most players who do reach the 10k C4P to accept a cut in rake and like any free market there are offers out ther at 30% This argument of for the good of everyone has no logic as if Sky were way above industry standard yes it would have a point but not when they are below to start off with. Same way when the goverment says there tax heavly high earners that never works because these people need the incentive to work that hard make those tough decisions and get the rewards. I know sky cant come out and say look we have decided we only want the rec palyers/gamblers but in my view that is not going to help increase the site long term. We should of been aiming not just to get to vegas each yr but to have a site that helped everyone move there game along so we could get good TV coverage out there ie our best players going very deep wearing the sky logos etc showing all those uk players on rival sites sky is the place to play. I therefore am more concerned on the direction Sky is taking this in respect of is this a site that realy wants to attract the best or just an extention of skyvegas.com I know there are lots of you out there that love to rip apart any post I make but for once I just ask before anyone decides to make comments please read it through first what I am saying Posted by MRBURNS4
A lot of the focus in this thread seems to be about keeping 'the bottom of the pyramid' happy. Out of interest...when did 'the bottom of the pyramid' become unhappy?
I have played on Sky for several years but last night there was over 5000 people logged in and over 3000 sitting (according to the Sky software). This is far far far more players than other times in the history of Skypoker. There were genuninely several years where you were lucky if ~1000 players logged in.
There is definitely a higher number of 'regs' but I have never seen the games have so many players. The standard on Sky has definitely risen but it is not comparable to similar levels on the bigger sites. The number of 'regs' has increased but so has the number of 'recs'. Sky has progressed year on year and with it comes both positives and negatives
I think Sky have definitely realised that they need to keep all players happy but there are so so so so many (some already named in this thread) changes that should be prioritised ahead of changing the points system. Just seems like a change designed to say "we care about the lower volume/stakes players" without actually putting in the effort required to make the changes that would really matter. I have no real criticism of the changes to the points system, I've never made priority so doubt it will make much difference to myself. I doubt it will make a noticeable difference to anyone at all.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : I assume from the whining your a dym player? Youve been overpaid dramatically compared to cash players for years in terms of cash-back despite paying dramtically less in rake (recieving almost double the points per pound spent in rake). Just a standard selfish thought process because your own personal gain suffers for the good of the overall game. Posted by hurst05
Genuine question and really dont want to start an arguement but is the above not outweighed by cash players having to pay 7.5%/5% rake compared to 10% for sng players? to get £1 in rake the sng player has to stake £10 whereas the cash player has staked £13 (using the 7.5% rake %). I understand the volatility of cash games and that cash players are involved in lots of pots that get raked continually in the same space of time that a sng player has only been raked once. But on the same hand those extra pots they are involved in also have the potential for greater gains and generate extra points that sng players cannot get and then there's also promotions to consider.
Example both type of players stake £10:
Cash player pays rake of £0.75 and gets 4.5 pts (6.75 if during happy hour or early bird) SNG player pays rake of £1 and gets 10 pts.
Assuming, for this process, poker points are worth 2p it has cost the cash player £10.66 (or £10.60 if using a promo) but it has cost the sng player £10.80 for the same stake. Just to note not until c4p's are paid at 4.5p per point does the cost to both players become equal.
I've played 441 games at the £5 dym level if the rake was reduced to 7.5% i would be £55 better off in terms of actual winnings. I got £24 from c4p's last month. So i'd happily do without c4p's (or the new system) entirely if the rake was reduced to 7.5%.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : Yup, warrior. I enjoy my life which involves playing poker. Does everyone have to play the same style? If you've only played a handful of hands against me how do you know how I play? Which regs are delusional and brain dead? I don't think the games are bad, I happen to think they are great. What makes you say the games are bad? Posted by Donttelmum
If you enjoy your life grinding 16 hours of 20nl a day then my name is Fernando Torres and I'm the best striker in the world...
I have a lot of friends that still play similar levels on Sky, and as you don't actually log off it's fair to say they have some experience of playing with you...
The bolded is a pretty delusional thing to say... considering you hardly have an edge on the majority of regs I can't see how you'd find grinding with 4 of them 'great'.
Anyway I only quoted your earlier post because it pretty much sums up what is wrong with poker. You're not the only one and plenty of people have posted since so have a read and stop being so dense, ty.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : If you enjoy your life grinding 16 hours of 20nl a day then my name is Fernando Torres and I'm the best striker in the world... I have a lot of friends that still play similar levels on Sky, and as you don't actually log off it's fair to say they have some experience of playing with you... The bolded is a pretty delusional thing to say... considering you hardly have an edge on the majority of regs I can't see how you'd find grinding with 4 of them 'great'. Anyway I only quoted your earlier post because it pretty much sums up what is wrong with poker. You're not the only one and plenty of people have posted since so have a read and stop being so dense, ty. Posted by pryce6
Ok, you know better than me if I enjoy my life. You also know wether or not I think the games are great, which I think they are but obvisouly if you say I dont find them great, well then I guess I don't.
Your definetly not dense, you know what I'm thinking when I don't think it.
I would love the intoduction of a Sky Points shop, like a lot of other sites offer. This would give every individual the chance to choose what they wish to spend their points on whether it be merchandise, cash bonuses, reload bonuses, MTT tickets etc, etc. If the points could be carried over month to month you would then have the option to save for bigger rewards. Posted by 68Trebor
Agreed, I have quite a few points and as far as I'm aware the only thing I can do with them is play freerolls with around 1000 people with 1st for around £10, not my cup of tea tbh
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : yes i am 1 of those nit rakeback dym grinders who make a living from c4p.. and i will sit and wait for big hands in dyms and let the people who get bored of not playing a hand for 10 mins donk themselves out.. As i said on earlier post ill be find an alternative site at end of this month. Posted by NAILS01197
When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one that has opened for us.
When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one that has opened for us. What is everyones views on this? Posted by DivsDreams
instead of just thinking about me myself and i look at the whole picture sky cant keep everybody happy just trying to find a happy medium good players will come good players will go swings and roundabouts instead of moaning just give it a go
But the point being missed is how will we ever attract better players to the site when there are rakebacks of 74% out there with major sites.
I still see the biggest issue here is by paying so low compaired to the other sites we cant grow this community with very good players which leads to bigger cash and mtts.
It is always going to be a brave business decision to cut players c4p esp in these difficult economic times when the customer is now used to shopping arround from there everyday food to high end purchaces.
My hope of course is sky come up with something else to keep people happy enough not to leave to the other sites but do we realy want the pool of our best players now even looking at what other sites have to offer which of course the majorty will be doing. Its never a smart business move in my view to let you client base even have a reason to look elsewhere
"... how will we ever attract better players to the site when there are rakebacks of 74% out there with major sites"
A very small number of people across the entire poker economy would qualify for 74% rakeback. We have looked closely at the deals offered by competitors and are happy that we offer good value to our customers, given all the other things we offer as well.
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Of course we're repeating ourselves but just to reiterate - we feel that Sky Poker rewards, combined with the many other things we offer makes Sky Poker good value. We will be offering additional promotions to add more value from our familiar favourites to some new ideas we are discussing. Priority will get more on top of this too.
Thanks
Sky Poker
I have played on Sky for several years but last night there was over 5000 people logged in and over 3000 sitting (according to the Sky software). This is far far far more players than other times in the history of Skypoker. There were genuninely several years where you were lucky if ~1000 players logged in.
There is definitely a higher number of 'regs' but I have never seen the games have so many players. The standard on Sky has definitely risen but it is not comparable to similar levels on the bigger sites. The number of 'regs' has increased but so has the number of 'recs'. Sky has progressed year on year and with it comes both positives and negatives
I think Sky have definitely realised that they need to keep all players happy but there are so so so so many (some already named in this thread) changes that should be prioritised ahead of changing the points system. Just seems like a change designed to say "we care about the lower volume/stakes players" without actually putting in the effort required to make the changes that would really matter. I have no real criticism of the changes to the points system, I've never made priority so doubt it will make much difference to myself. I doubt it will make a noticeable difference to anyone at all.
Example both type of players stake £10:
Cash player pays rake of £0.75 and gets 4.5 pts (6.75 if during happy hour or early bird)
SNG player pays rake of £1 and gets 10 pts.
Assuming, for this process, poker points are worth 2p it has cost the cash player £10.66 (or £10.60 if using a promo) but it has cost the sng player £10.80 for the same stake.
Just to note not until c4p's are paid at 4.5p per point does the cost to both players become equal.
I've played 441 games at the £5 dym level if the rake was reduced to 7.5% i would be £55 better off in terms of actual winnings. I got £24 from c4p's last month. So i'd happily do without c4p's (or the new system) entirely if the rake was reduced to 7.5%.
Hope that all makes sense lol
Is there going to be a change in the points awarded for DYMs that I can't see on the page explaining the new system?
When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door that we do not see the one that has opened for us.
What is everyones views on this?
"... how will we ever attract better players to the site when there are rakebacks of 74% out there with major sites"
A very small number of people across the entire poker economy would qualify for 74% rakeback. We have looked closely at the deals offered by competitors and are happy that we offer good value to our customers, given all the other things we offer as well.