FWIW, minraise/folding (or doing anything other than open shoving) with 12xBB is a little more up for debate and there are situations that call for it and a lot that don't but I was talking more about 15xBB.
Not open shoving 15xBB imo isn't even up for debate, it's just generally not the best way to use your stack. For instance, against loads of people in the BB that are really tight we can blind steal either from the SB or Button with literally ATC, do we wanna open ship 15xBB against their BB with 89o when we'll be crushed everytime we get called, or do we wanna minraise knowing it works and gets the same result of stealing 1xBB 95% of the time, and the odd time they have a top 5% hand, we just fold and don't bust the tourney.
If we're open shipping all our hands with this stack size then we either have to be way tighter than is optimal OR we have to make wreckless jams with weak holdings that we could just mr/fold knowing we're never getting exploited.
There are some caveats, like I generally open ship larger stacks for value in a small stakes BH than any other comp cos I know how light you get called so I do it when I want the call in situations where I know people won't think anything of my differing opening sizes.
Yeah as Lambert said we were talking about what to do with a 15bb stack size. If you want to discuss 8bb to 12bb again we can do it in my thread! btw the 99 with 15bb came from pokernoon who mentioned how to play 99 UTG and then gave a 15bb stack size.
Ivanovic, it might be a marginal +cEV play (99 for 15bbs) but I doubt that it will not be a +EV play. You have to calculate the ICM and will our chips be worth more when we win compared to all the times that we lose?
Congrats on a good month Gazza!
I think perhaps open-shoving 99 for 15bbs might possibly be a leak of yours that you could easily fix. It's just too deep to be open-shoving this hand.
on other sites, you cant open from <20bb unless your willing to call it off because you get 3bet sooo much in the late stages...
on sky, people seem to 3bet ALOT less in late stages of tourneys, so I'm much happier to open from down to 12bb (i can fold and still have 10bb). Generally you get to see a flop and make a decision then whether to go with it or not, or just take the blinds.
99 UTG with 15bb is right on the line for me... I dont really want to fold it, but then again, I dont want to call a shove - i'd much rather shove. so I guess, in a BH, with bigstacks in late pos/blinds, I'd shove because they will call lighter than normal. but if people are short, I'd be more inclined to min r, as I'm only likely to get shoved on by dominating pairs and overs...and a couble up from 13bb instead of 15 would still put you in a great position.
Withdrawn over 1k today from my account (which is nice). So im now playing with a £1k roll. Think i get a bit spewy when I see i have a load of money in my account. Sometimes I forget its all real money and that I should treat each pound as preciously as the next...
A lot of people dont have it as easy as I do. I should be more grateful for what I have and not go throwing money around like its worthless.
Worse i've ever played tonight. Lost a fair bit. Withdrawn over 1k today from my account (which is nice). So im now playing with a £1k roll. Think i get a bit spewy when I see i have a load of money in my account. Sometimes I forget its all real money and that I should treat each pound as preciously as the next... A lot of people dont have it as easy as I do. I should be more grateful for what I have and not go throwing money around like its worthless. Lesson learned. Posted by gazza127
Sorry you lost.
Really good post though.
Go and buy yourself something you don't need. Things bought with poker winnings are amazing
I don't need to tell you how stupid that was, you already know. This seems to have happened a few times and luck has smiled on you so far, another day and you might have been re-depositing that £1k almost as quick as you withdrew it.
I don't need to tell you how stupid that was, you already know. This seems to have happened a few times and luck has smiled on you so far, another day and you might have been re-depositing that £1k almost as quick as you withdrew it. Posted by Lambert180
Yeah. I know im an idiot.
Dont know whats wrong with me. I just get tempted by the higher games.
Need to cut this out. Its a sure fire method to broke.
Was hoping this diary would stop me doing things like this... but I still do it now and again. Eurgh.
If anyone sees me on a table higher than 100nl feel free to berate me until I leave the table.
Any chance of posting in advance of your next cash session Gazza? Judging by your session reports, and the fact you always have 5,475xbb stacks, they sound entertaining! Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Lol. I'll be sure to let you know next time. You can stop me doing something stupid!
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Good luck!
I went out KK v AK.
Not open shoving 15xBB imo isn't even up for debate, it's just generally not the best way to use your stack. For instance, against loads of people in the BB that are really tight we can blind steal either from the SB or Button with literally ATC, do we wanna open ship 15xBB against their BB with 89o when we'll be crushed everytime we get called, or do we wanna minraise knowing it works and gets the same result of stealing 1xBB 95% of the time, and the odd time they have a top 5% hand, we just fold and don't bust the tourney.
If we're open shipping all our hands with this stack size then we either have to be way tighter than is optimal OR we have to make wreckless jams with weak holdings that we could just mr/fold knowing we're never getting exploited.
Sorry for the derail
Congrats on a good month Gazza!
I think perhaps open-shoving 99 for 15bbs might possibly be a leak of yours that you could easily fix. It's just too deep to be open-shoving this hand.
Lost a fair bit.
Withdrawn over 1k today from my account (which is nice). So im now playing with a £1k roll. Think i get a bit spewy when I see i have a load of money in my account. Sometimes I forget its all real money and that I should treat each pound as preciously as the next...
A lot of people dont have it as easy as I do. I should be more grateful for what I have and not go throwing money around like its worthless.
Lesson learned.
Its like i completely ignored that last post of mine.... like it isnt even there!
Headed to the cash tables tonight...
50nl... oh everything is full
100nl... oh everything is full...
40nl.... full
20nl....full
200nl?? not a game thank god.
BUT WAIT. THERES A 300nl GAME GOING ON!
Sure i'll just sit down and play a few hands while i wait for free spaces on the other tables...
5 hands in... -£240.
Good one.
Luckily I managed to claw it back and sneak a £150 profit from it... but thats not the point.
Eurgh. Irritated with myself.
Judging by your session reports, and the fact you always have 5,475xbb stacks, they sound entertaining!
Lol. I'll be sure to let you know next time. You can stop me doing something stupid!
lol like your style