A losing day of 6 buyins on cash is not a massive losing day, particularly on the volumes you say you are playing. If you play every day for a month and have say 20 winning days and 10 losing days you're doing extremely well, but even that is still a miniscule sample. Don't think about your swings over a single day so much, unless you get down 20 or 30 buyins, then you need to re-assess your game, take a break, drop down for a while or whatever. Posted by FCHD
Yeah I suppose just such a time consuming thing to try and build I br plus I want to get out of 10nl. People keep telling me about how bad the rake is aswell at such a level
Deposited £300 in sky today. so I now have deposited £300 in sky + (275) $400 in 888. That's proberly the most I have put into poker at one time. I have around 1.2k saved from tourney/cash that I havnt spent so im not too afaird, im fully confident I can build both BR's and if it goes wrong, oh well least I had a go.
My plan for sky is £300 />£500 withdraw £100, £400> £600 withdraw £100 > £500 (playing 1 or 2 20 nl game) > 700 withdraw £100. leaves me with £600 for 20nl/10nl games.
888 im going to just keep playing until I think of what I want to do.
played 4/5 and 6 tables for first time on 888 this morning, run well played well and made 3 buy ins. Balance $375 />$405.
Then played 2 tables of 888 and 2 tables of sky for around 2 horus. Had an unlucky start flopping set of 10's on k q 10 board bet flop and safe turn big against LAG, river was A but there was only £2 in his stack and he shoved so called and he showed KJ. Mental game has come on, kept reading mental game of poker and now have a paper where I write my thoughts and write when I had a spot of good varience and its really helping atm.
Any suggestions for better ideas for my BR are welcome
Didn't get much time to play today. was watching Tottenham friendly in the morning and when that finish I only had 2 hours until I had to collect my chocolate Labrador from the vets as he was being newtered....ouch. I decided id spend those 2 hours reading poker players magazine and going through a few things on duecescracked. Couldn't find any videos I was interested in so read through the notes id made form a lot of there videos in my notepad and just refreshed some stuff. Not worried about the friendly loss for Tottenham, we usually go unbeaten in pre season then start awful so I don't mind a loss at all.
Managed to play for 2 hours , 2 tables of sky/2 of 888. Didn't get going to the skys tables for some reason, table was very tight weak so couldn't really get action. 888 I done well, mostly notable hand was me rasing j9s from button. BB flatted flop come 10 q k, he lead out I raised as it was flush draw/very draw heavy board, he shoved with a set of 10's I called and held. Ended up evens on the sky one and +5 buyins on the 888 which im happy with.
Started playing and decided I would try a session with 6 tables for the first time. 3x888, 3x sky, found it tough tbh. sometimes it felt like I was auto piloting my play a lot, sort of button clicking with a gist of whats going on. Lost a hand on sky early on with a set of 10's but I should of folded on the flop, made my set on turn as he made his straight. No complaints I deserved that for calling. Been working a lot of range I bet/call/fold. No point working on it if im not being disciplined enough. I then lost a big hand late on, I flopped a set on 3 7 10 rainbow board against 1 called in sb, he c/c I bet 2 turn he called again, then an ace hit the river making 3 flush cards on the flop. He donked out for pot, I was very confussed but he was very loose and I really felt he could do that with set of 3's (which I was suspicious he had) or a10, that's what I put him on. So I shoved , good value or too thin? ill post the hand for you to decide. I lost to a hand I didn't even notice, he tanked/called with 45s. I actually wanted him to call and the tank just made me think iv gotton this read correct. £28 pot which is annoying but oh well.
Pretty sure I made a loss on both sites today, havnt checked balance yet. Dissapointing but up and downs will happen. Abit more annoying with the hands I lost It on....well mostly the set of 10's hand.
Should I continue to 6 table or cut it down to 5 for now?
Sky: £290. After losing those big hands ill happily accept that tbh.
888: $449. so - $6. So not as bad as I thought but play was poor today. Fully deserving on a losing day.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
x
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£46.42
BenShabba1
Big blind
£0.10
£0.15
£15.39
Your hole cards
7
7
robbie1992
Raise
£0.30
£0.45
£14.63
geordie115
Fold
SR23
Fold
XcreamyX
Fold
x
Call
£0.25
£0.70
£46.17
BenShabba1
Fold
Flop
3
10
7
x
Check
robbie1992
Bet
£0.35
£1.05
£14.28
x
Call
£0.35
£1.40
£45.82
Turn
2
x
Check
robbie1992
Bet
£0.90
£2.30
£13.38
x
Call
£0.90
£3.20
£44.92
River
A
x
Bet
£3.80
£7.00
£41.12
robbie1992
All-in
£13.38
£20.38
£0.00
x
Call
£9.58
£29.96
£31.54
x
Show
4
5
robbie1992
Show
7
7
x
Win
Straight to the 5
£28.56
£60.10
I don't no what I regret on this hand. Villian was very loose and playing anything from anywhere basically. His called all the way from the flop out the sb and now is leading river for pot. Whats his range for doing this.
set of 3's a10 a7?? 10s flush bad bluff that's repping a scare card on river as he could put me on a 10x hand.
set 3's call, so shoves good. a10 judging on previous play, calls, shoves good. a7, bet/folds, calls better then shove. 10s, cooler so not worries, shoves bad. flush, shoves bad. bad bluff, shoves bad.
I flat call river at best. If he's betting pot then calling a shove with AT then wow who is X lol. You won't get called by worse often, and worse won't often be full potting in the first place.
The problem is, most people at the low stakes are very honest. So when they C/C, C/C, then on the river a draw completes and they suddenly full pot, most of the time it's not any fancy plan, it's just cos they've called down to hit, they've hit and now they wanna get paid.
Bet size is a massive indicator. There are some people who literally just over shove the river with the nuts or VERY close so sometimes you get to the river and they do it, and you just have to say 'sigh, i dunno how they've managed to get here with 8To (or w/e) but I KNOW they have it' cos most of these people aren't good enough to adapt and realise people know they only shove the nuts so they start shoving as a bluff. Sometimes you think that, and you level yourself in to a call thinking 'oh they'll bluff cos they know I think they always have it'.... and nope, they just have it AGAIN.
The problem is, most people at the low stakes are very honest. So when they C/C, C/C, then on the river a draw completes and they suddenly full pot, most of the time it's not any fancy plan, it's just cos they've called down to hit, they've hit and now they wanna get paid. Bet size is a massive indicator. There are some people who literally just over shove the river with the nuts or VERY close so sometimes you get to the river and they do it, and you just have to say 'sigh, i dunno how they've managed to get here with 8To (or w/e) but I KNOW they have it' cos most of these people aren't good enough to adapt and realise people know they only shove the nuts so they start shoving as a bluff. Sometimes you think that, and you level yourself in to a call thinking 'oh they'll bluff cos they know I think they always have it'.... and nope, they just have it AGAIN. Posted by Lambert180
U seem to know the situation quiete well lambert
But Iv actually seen people at 10nl do this with worse and as a bluff on a hand that didnt get there.
Still looking at the calling from the flop is it not very hard to put him on better? Obv it's a read dependent move but I think enough of his range calls with worst enough long term to make it +ev move?
Well to be honest, I'd be thinking it was the flush, he could easily have any combination of overcards (maybe a pair too) which would take exactly the same line.
I'd bet money the villian would do the exact same thing with the following hands if they are both spades KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, JT, T9 maybe T8 if he calls that pre (you did say he's loose),
They've called with either 2 overs or TP. They turn a FD, great we'll call again. I hit my hand 'yaaaay, lets bet full pot'.
That's why I said sometimes it is hard to figure out how they've managed to turn up with better but if it's THAT type of player (I don't know if this guy is) then I'd generally just think 'meh, dunno how he's done it, but he's never bluffing, it's always nutty' and I might call, but never raise.
Had dog walking in the morning with aunt so didn't play then. My sister is a teacher so shes off for 6 weeks so Im going to go more places with her, and she wanted to go to my nans today so didn't have time then.
Ended up looking at 888 and entering a 99c rebuy/add on just for fun. Was $4k gtd so was worth a go I felt. Got up to 11k which was around average, and I added on the 3x u was allowed, so had 41k. Was doing okay, had KQs, and had to call extra 13k with 2 other already all in . Was against kq, 77 so lost. Anyway 668 starting and the pay out was top 120. I busted in 140th after 2 hours, when my a5 with short stack got called by button with j2o....Jack on the river.
I hate mtts for this fact, 2 hours to go out nowhere and even if I got in I only get 1 buyin of a cash game profit. I don't care what anyone says top 120/ 668 is extremely hard to get. Theres so much luck/maths made decisions in mtt that its abit likeplaying bingo, theres a very low amount of skill imho. Fair play to you that grind the mtts but personally there not for me.
Ended up losing 2 byins on sky and winning 2 buy ins on 888 when I played last night. The sky one was flush over flush so meh and cant remember the other hands.
Disspaointing day really. Played 2 sky 2 888 for about 2 and a half hours which is fairly short for me but just wasn't getting into it really, just felt like I had enough. Didn't play well on sky really struggled. I seem to struggle post flop with some of the weird bets/passiveness that players have. Don't really know how to fix that just will have to keep watching sweat sessions I suppose.
I value bet 2 pair twice in hands and to my surprise was losing to worse 2 pairs. Also had a 3rd hand where I turnt 2 pair on a 4 Q 10 A board only to get raised by a loose player, I shoved and he showed what seemed obv....kj. I want to feel like that wasn't a mistake but I think it was ill post so you can tell me if it was.
Then I raised with a speculative hand on the button which I like to do so I turn up with something people never expect so then I can then rep low flops. 7 5 s was the hand. I isolated 1 limper, he then lead out on a 3 7 9 rainbow board, I thought to raise there as I don't see what he leads out with tbh, but I think its almost weakness always, I called turn was a K, perfect, now all the 9x 7x and drawy hand, ace highs now will fold to a raise. He lead out I raied he called. The stacks where then so shallow, about £13 in pot and £4 in our stacks. He then lead for £1 wtf?? I knew I wasn't winning but at 13-1 odds I called. He showed KJ, lead out with air, then I repped a scare card he hit.....I don't think he would of folded to a shove on river as we was too shallow..... whats your thoughts?
The guy had limps often was fairly weak, it's a play that's going to surprise my opponents and allow me to convincingly rep low flops, and I have position . What bits spewy so I can learn
Pathetic, gone on tilt as I run so s*** so thought ill play anything from anywhere. So what do you do when u run like me to win, keep shoving on flush draws, what happens when u run like me ? u hit f****** all
Sky BR I done, I have no ambition to site there like a nerd for 3 months to get it back to where it was.
Dedicated another Saturday to try and achieve what I wanted, and got absoulty nowhere, I wish I could play against me.
I put so much more time into improving, so much more then all these other players and I don't make any progress. I worked on my mental game all week, so why now am I feeling like this?
just under 7 buy ins down today, how pathetic.
So sick of this game, my life would be better without it, all that I achieve is more failure no matter what I don't. Cant even believe how p****** I feel now writing this, such b******
sky : £210
888:$481
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
telboy111
Small blind
£0.10
£0.10
£5.30
SMV
Big blind
£0.10
£0.20
£12.36
Your hole cards
Q
J
robbie1992
Raise
£0.30
£0.50
£9.60
mitchyboi5
Call
£0.30
£0.80
£21.27
burford90
Call
£0.30
£1.10
£8.12
stretch144
Call
£0.30
£1.40
£22.09
telboy111
Fold
SMV
Call
£0.20
£1.60
£12.16
Flop
8
5
3
SMV
Check
robbie1992
Bet
£1.00
£2.60
£8.60
mitchyboi5
Fold
burford90
Fold
stretch144
Fold
SMV
Raise
£3.70
£6.30
£8.46
robbie1992
All-in
£8.60
£14.90
£0.00
SMV
Call
£5.90
£20.80
£2.56
SMV
Show
8
10
robbie1992
Show
Q
J
Turn
A
River
4
SMV
Win
Pair of 8s
£19.40
£21.96
don't hit
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
telboy111
Small blind
£0.10
£0.10
£7.00
SMV
Big blind
£0.10
£0.20
£11.82
mitchyboi5
Big blind
£0.10
£0.30
£23.00
Your hole cards
A
5
robbie1992
Raise
£0.30
£0.60
£11.94
mitchyboi5
Raise
£0.40
£1.00
£22.60
burford90
Raise
£1.10
£2.10
£8.62
stretch144
Call
£1.10
£3.20
£8.97
telboy111
Fold
SMV
Call
£1.00
£4.20
£10.82
robbie1992
Call
£0.80
£5.00
£11.14
mitchyboi5
Call
£0.60
£5.60
£22.00
Flop
3
9
Q
SMV
Check
robbie1992
Check
mitchyboi5
Check
burford90
Check
stretch144
All-in
£8.97
£14.57
£0.00
SMV
Fold
robbie1992
All-in
£11.14
£25.71
£0.00
mitchyboi5
Fold
burford90
Fold
robbie1992
Unmatched bet
£2.17
£23.54
£2.17
robbie1992
Show
A
5
stretch144
Show
J
Q
Turn
K
River
2
stretch144
Win
Pair of Queens
£22.14
£22.14
don't hit...great shove.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
ryderroo
Small blind
£0.05
£0.05
£15.02
GARY500
Big blind
£0.10
£0.15
£17.99
Your hole cards
A
A
lecksville
Fold
robbie1992
Raise
£0.30
£0.45
£12.20
bpctlc
Call
£0.30
£0.75
£11.88
ryderroo
Raise
£0.45
£1.20
£14.57
GARY500
Fold
robbie1992
Raise
£1.40
£2.60
£10.80
bpctlc
Call
£1.40
£4.00
£10.48
ryderroo
Call
£1.20
£5.20
£13.37
Flop
8
9
A
ryderroo
Bet
£1.70
£6.90
£11.67
robbie1992
Call
£1.70
£8.60
£9.10
bpctlc
Call
£1.70
£10.30
£8.78
Turn
7
ryderroo
Check
robbie1992
All-in
£9.10
£19.40
£0.00
bpctlc
All-in
£8.78
£28.18
£0.00
ryderroo
Fold
robbie1992
Unmatched bet
£0.32
£27.86
£0.32
robbie1992
Show
A
A
bpctlc
Show
J
10
River
6
bpctlc
Win
Straight to the Jack
£26.46
£26.46
cold call of 4 bet with one still to act deserved this
So sick of this game, my life would be better without it, all that I achieve is more failure no matter what I don't. Cant even believe how p****** I feel now writing this, such b******
This says it all..
A game/hobby shouldn't make you feel so angry and/frustrated down about things, don't need to tell you there is more important things in life, take a break withdraw all your money do whatever just don't keep making yourself feel awful because of a game of poker, not worth the hassle.
In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary. : ok why tho? The guy had limps often was fairly weak, it's a play that's going to surprise my opponents and allow me to convincingly rep low flops, and I have position . What bits spewy so I can learn Posted by robbie1992
Because he isnt calling a worse hand on the turn.
And A5, I just so hate the call and with it being oop as well..........
Unfortunatly you have not improved the mental game. Complete split personalities. When winning its the best thing in the world, and when losing you seem to have so much anger. I would suggest time time at 4nl, the money might mean less, but I think that is good for you right now. Either that or take a break.
Comments
Update
Deposited £300 in sky today. so I now have deposited £300 in sky + (275) $400 in 888. That's proberly the most I have put into poker at one time. I have around 1.2k saved from tourney/cash that I havnt spent so im not too afaird, im fully confident I can build both BR's and if it goes wrong, oh well least I had a go.
My plan for sky is £300 />£500 withdraw £100, £400> £600 withdraw £100 > £500 (playing 1 or 2 20 nl game) > 700 withdraw £100. leaves me with £600 for 20nl/10nl games.
888 im going to just keep playing until I think of what I want to do.
played 4/5 and 6 tables for first time on 888 this morning, run well played well and made 3 buy ins. Balance $375 />$405.
Then played 2 tables of 888 and 2 tables of sky for around 2 horus. Had an unlucky start flopping set of 10's on k q 10 board bet flop and safe turn big against LAG, river was A but there was only £2 in his stack and he shoved so called and he showed KJ. Mental game has come on, kept reading mental game of poker and now have a paper where I write my thoughts and write when I had a spot of good varience and its really helping atm.
Any suggestions for better ideas for my BR are welcome
Sky: £407.36
Other: $405
Didn't get much time to play today. was watching Tottenham friendly in the morning and when that finish I only had 2 hours until I had to collect my chocolate Labrador from the vets as he was being newtered....ouch. I decided id spend those 2 hours reading poker players magazine and going through a few things on duecescracked. Couldn't find any videos I was interested in so read through the notes id made form a lot of there videos in my notepad and just refreshed some stuff. Not worried about the friendly loss for Tottenham, we usually go unbeaten in pre season then start awful so I don't mind a loss at all.
Managed to play for 2 hours , 2 tables of sky/2 of 888. Didn't get going to the skys tables for some reason, table was very tight weak so couldn't really get action. 888 I done well, mostly notable hand was me rasing j9s from button. BB flatted flop come 10 q k, he lead out I raised as it was flush draw/very draw heavy board, he shoved with a set of 10's I called and held. Ended up evens on the sky one and +5 buyins on the 888 which im happy with.
Sky: £305
Other: $455
Note to self, less caffeine
Started playing and decided I would try a session with 6 tables for the first time. 3x888, 3x sky, found it tough tbh. sometimes it felt like I was auto piloting my play a lot, sort of button clicking with a gist of whats going on. Lost a hand on sky early on with a set of 10's but I should of folded on the flop, made my set on turn as he made his straight. No complaints I deserved that for calling. Been working a lot of range I bet/call/fold. No point working on it if im not being disciplined enough. I then lost a big hand late on, I flopped a set on 3 7 10 rainbow board against 1 called in sb, he c/c I bet 2 turn he called again, then an ace hit the river making 3 flush cards on the flop. He donked out for pot, I was very confussed but he was very loose and I really felt he could do that with set of 3's (which I was suspicious he had) or a10, that's what I put him on. So I shoved , good value or too thin? ill post the hand for you to decide. I lost to a hand I didn't even notice, he tanked/called with 45s. I actually wanted him to call and the tank just made me think iv gotton this read correct. £28 pot which is annoying but oh well.
Pretty sure I made a loss on both sites today, havnt checked balance yet. Dissapointing but up and downs will happen. Abit more annoying with the hands I lost It on....well mostly the set of 10's hand.
Should I continue to 6 table or cut it down to 5 for now?
Sky: £290. After losing those big hands ill happily accept that tbh.
888: $449. so - $6. So not as bad as I thought but play was poor today. Fully deserving on a losing day.
set of 3's
a10
a7??
10s
flush
bad bluff that's repping a scare card on river as he could put me on a 10x hand.
set 3's call, so shoves good.
a10 judging on previous play, calls, shoves good.
a7, bet/folds, calls better then shove.
10s, cooler so not worries, shoves bad.
flush, shoves bad.
bad bluff, shoves bad.
So maybe looking back the best play is call?
Maybe fold with the right reads, but don't raise.
Bet size is a massive indicator. There are some people who literally just over shove the river with the nuts or VERY close so sometimes you get to the river and they do it, and you just have to say 'sigh, i dunno how they've managed to get here with 8To (or w/e) but I KNOW they have it' cos most of these people aren't good enough to adapt and realise people know they only shove the nuts so they start shoving as a bluff. Sometimes you think that, and you level yourself in to a call thinking 'oh they'll bluff cos they know I think they always have it'.... and nope, they just have it AGAIN.
I'd bet money the villian would do the exact same thing with the following hands if they are both spades KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, JT, T9 maybe T8 if he calls that pre (you did say he's loose),
They've called with either 2 overs or TP. They turn a FD, great we'll call again. I hit my hand 'yaaaay, lets bet full pot'.
That's why I said sometimes it is hard to figure out how they've managed to turn up with better but if it's THAT type of player (I don't know if this guy is) then I'd generally just think 'meh, dunno how he's done it, but he's never bluffing, it's always nutty' and I might call, but never raise.
Had dog walking in the morning with aunt so didn't play then. My sister is a teacher so shes off for 6 weeks so Im going to go more places with her, and she wanted to go to my nans today so didn't have time then.
Ended up looking at 888 and entering a 99c rebuy/add on just for fun. Was $4k gtd so was worth a go I felt. Got up to 11k which was around average, and I added on the 3x u was allowed, so had 41k. Was doing okay, had KQs, and had to call extra 13k with 2 other already all in . Was against kq, 77 so lost. Anyway 668 starting and the pay out was top 120. I busted in 140th after 2 hours, when my a5 with short stack got called by button with j2o....Jack on the river.
I hate mtts for this fact, 2 hours to go out nowhere and even if I got in I only get 1 buyin of a cash game profit. I don't care what anyone says top 120/ 668 is extremely hard to get. Theres so much luck/maths made decisions in mtt that its abit likeplaying bingo, theres a very low amount of skill imho. Fair play to you that grind the mtts but personally there not for me.
Ended up losing 2 byins on sky and winning 2 buy ins on 888 when I played last night. The sky one was flush over flush so meh and cant remember the other hands.
sky: £279
888: $466
Disspaointing day really. Played 2 sky 2 888 for about 2 and a half hours which is fairly short for me but just wasn't getting into it really, just felt like I had enough. Didn't play well on sky really struggled. I seem to struggle post flop with some of the weird bets/passiveness that players have. Don't really know how to fix that just will have to keep watching sweat sessions I suppose.
I value bet 2 pair twice in hands and to my surprise was losing to worse 2 pairs. Also had a 3rd hand where I turnt 2 pair on a 4 Q 10 A board only to get raised by a loose player, I shoved and he showed what seemed obv....kj. I want to feel like that wasn't a mistake but I think it was ill post so you can tell me if it was.
Then I raised with a speculative hand on the button which I like to do so I turn up with something people never expect so then I can then rep low flops. 7 5 s was the hand. I isolated 1 limper, he then lead out on a 3 7 9 rainbow board, I thought to raise there as I don't see what he leads out with tbh, but I think its almost weakness always, I called turn was a K, perfect, now all the 9x 7x and drawy hand, ace highs now will fold to a raise. He lead out I raied he called. The stacks where then so shallow, about £13 in pot and £4 in our stacks. He then lead for £1 wtf?? I knew I wasn't winning but at 13-1 odds I called. He showed KJ, lead out with air, then I repped a scare card he hit.....I don't think he would of folded to a shove on river as we was too shallow..... whats your thoughts?
Won 2 buyins on other site.
sky: £250.42
Other: $486.72
3)
Rest fine imo.
Pathetic, gone on tilt as I run so s*** so thought ill play anything from anywhere. So what do you do when u run like me to win, keep shoving on flush draws, what happens when u run like me ? u hit f****** all
Sky BR I done, I have no ambition to site there like a nerd for 3 months to get it back to where it was.
Dedicated another Saturday to try and achieve what I wanted, and got absoulty nowhere, I wish I could play against me.
I put so much more time into improving, so much more then all these other players and I don't make any progress. I worked on my mental game all week, so why now am I feeling like this?
just under 7 buy ins down today, how pathetic.
So sick of this game, my life would be better without it, all that I achieve is more failure no matter what I don't. Cant even believe how p****** I feel now writing this, such b******
sky : £210
888:$481
Hit my flush at last my turn to win
This says it all..
A game/hobby shouldn't make you feel so angry and/frustrated down about things, don't need to tell you there is more important things in life, take a break withdraw all your money do whatever just don't keep making yourself feel awful because of a game of poker, not worth the hassle.
And A5, I just so hate the call and with it being oop as well..........
Unfortunatly you have not improved the mental game. Complete split personalities. When winning its the best thing in the world, and when losing you seem to have so much anger. I would suggest time time at 4nl, the money might mean less, but I think that is good for you right now. Either that or take a break.