OK lol no more multi-colour unless i win a tournie.
Played a freeroll at 3, top 10 got a seat in a sat for upcoming SPT Event.
While i was playing was playing i had some HU games running two, which definatly helped me with concentration / alert.
Was playing really well and crushing the table early doors/ getting max value from hands. It was really easy to read situations, i didn't put a foot wrong. Having the HU games up definatly helped i would say.
At the HU Games i won 8, lost 6, which doesn't sound brilliant but i had a couple of bad beats, getting it in with the best hand and getting outdrawn.
With the freeroll game, i bubbled just before the bubble in 12th place. I was 11th in chips, so was really on the line, 1 double up and i could just sit back. I know it's not like a normal tornie, it would be Sat strategy.
The hand i exited on would be totally standard, but in a Sat (or tournie for a sat) i think i can just fold this and wait for a better spot. It's marginal (for a sat), just when a limper and BB to get through seemed like a good spot to shove. This is the exit hand.
The only other hand i really lost was AJ, versus pocket 8s, i min raised, short stack shoved, no way i can ever fold here. I hit jack he hits set.
Both deep stacks, i got bored and ended up doing my stacks quickly!
The first one i was kinda shortish, and shoved over the top of a min raise from the BB with 78suited, other guy called with A6 haha
In the other one, it was a BH, i min raised pre, 2 callers, including a shortie. Flop 9 high xx, shortie shipped for 1300, i re shipped, other player had pocket queens. Pretty bad lol
The first hour i was playing pretty good, i had doubled my starting stack pretty much on both tables, but went onto throw them away lol
Hand 1 is a totally sick call, the time bar was almost at 0.
Hand 2 whats opponent doing ? lol serioussly?
Hand 3, yeah prob a fold pre, opponent checks flop?? On the Turn yeah i think my KQ might be good here, have to call,
Hand 4, hate the min raise pre, i was trying to raise it more, but for some reason it just done a min min raise. Prob a fold, but hey ho
Hand 5, Worst hand of all! I needed to re raise the flop every day of the week. Knew the opponent was weak, pretty sure 3s were good here. I was overly worried about other oppo. This should have been a reraise.
With the freeroll game, i bubbled just before the bubble in 12th place. I was 11th in chips, so was really on the line, 1 double up and i could just sit back. I know it's not like a normal tornie, it would be Sat strategy. The hand i exited on would be totally standard, but in a Sat (or tournie for a sat) i think i can just fold this and wait for a better spot. It's marginal (for a sat), just when a limper and BB to get through seemed like a good spot to shove. Posted by LARSON7
Never marginal here it's a fold all day long. A limper is great in an MTT for value, but be very suspicious late in a Sat. You have to know your oppo to be confident they'll fold. You can afford to get much shorter than 11BB at the end of a Sat. Keep an eye on the other stacks. A lot of people make big mistakes at the end. A lot of he time you can sit tight and get it handed to you. Imagine a DYM on the bubble. Then multiply the nittyness factor by 10.
Mate you need patience, Im working my way up to play in spt Newcastle, with a bit of luck. Hope to sit there for 2 days......can you..? Posted by tomo_efc
Hey Tomo,
I know, you are spot on. I wasn't really enjoying it after 2 hours last night, was a bit tired. One of the tournies you were getting called by rediculous hands lol in the other tournie there was more folding than an oragami convention.
My attitude was bad last night getting "bored".
The longest i've ever played live was a game at the casino for 12 hours when i final tabled, and i was shattered by the end of it! I thought Newcastle was a 1 day event, but live is good fun so if i make it to day 2 happy days.
Played in a BH this morning, i got a min cash, but still a cash.
LARSON7
0
11
£3.04 + £1.82 Head Prizes
Was a really fun tournie, some of the play was unbelievable, people calling raises with 2 4 os, any 2 basically lol
One guy who was calling everything, and was winning everything early doors ended up knocking me out with 910 os against pocket kings lol
In these games i'll need to play ultra aggressive, treat TPGK as the nuts, as the lots of times it is in these games! Only really played 1 hand badly against a maniac, i shipped the turn with 2 pair (he was a caller) but folded i should have just set it up 2 shove the river, tho it was quite a wet board.
Exit hand
LARSON7
Small blind
300.00
300.00
3315.00
mike1975
Big blind
600.00
900.00
10200.00
Your hole cards
K
K
shabba31
Fold
nwmt12
Fold
markph7
Fold
K4MBO
Raise
1200.00
2100.00
7880.00
LARSON7
All-in
3315.00
5415.00
0.00
mike1975
Fold
K4MBO
Call
2415.00
7830.00
5465.00
LARSON7
Show
K
K
K4MBO
Show
9
10
Flop
A
7
9
Turn
J
River
8
K4MBO
Win
Straight to the Jack
This hand here, i know KJ, looks like a bad call, but oppos range is wide and happy enough if i'm flipping. was happy 2 see pocket 5s,
LARSON7
Small blind
50.00
50.00
2150.00
chris85
Big blind
100.00
150.00
6325.00
Your hole cards
K
J
NDL
Fold
EASYFIX
Raise
300.00
450.00
4710.00
K4MBO
Call
300.00
750.00
12490.00
LARSON7
All-in
2150.00
2900.00
0.00
chris85
Fold
EASYFIX
All-in
4710.00
7610.00
0.00
K4MBO
Fold
EASYFIX
Unmatched bet
2810.00
4800.00
2810.00
LARSON7
Show
K
J
EASYFIX
Show
5
5
Flop
3
2
Q
Turn
J
River
3
LARSON7
Win
Two Pairs, Jacks and 3s
4800.
This hand here, easy fold, was calling all in, but when other guy calls has 2 pair written all over given his range (any 2 lol)
EASYFIX
Small blind
100.00
100.00
3695.00
Cardbeater
Big blind
200.00
300.00
4790.00
Your hole cards
K
Q
K4MBO
Call
200.00
500.00
10592.50
LARSON7
Raise
400.00
900.00
5550.00
chris85
Fold
NDL
Call
400.00
1300.00
1252.50
EASYFIX
Call
300.00
1600.00
3395.00
Cardbeater
Fold
K4MBO
Call
200.00
1800.00
10392.50
Flop
6
4
5
EASYFIX
Check
K4MBO
Check
LARSON7
Bet
300.00
2100.00
5250.00
NDL
Fold
EASYFIX
Call
300.00
2400.00
3095.00
K4MBO
Call
300.00
2700.00
10092.50
Turn
K
EASYFIX
All-in
3095.00
5795.00
0.00
K4MBO
Call
3095.00
8890.00
6997.50
LARSON7
Fold
EASYFIX
Show
K
J
K4MBO
Show
4
K
River
9
K4MBO
Win
Two Pairs, Kings and 4s
8890
This might look like a terrible call, again guy is pretty loose, and will bluff here and can easily call down 2 streets really light, was only worried he had hut his king x to be honest.
Only just started reading this having seen you on a few MTT tables recently and look forward to seeing how you progress.
For me, the key to winning at low stakes MTT's is playing the mid-late stages well as so many players at these levels are clueless about how to play these stages and far too interested in preserving their chipstacks than they are in making a run to win the tournament. If you can pick your spots well, it's very easy to accumulate chips cheaply through these stages and I'd strongly advise really working on this part of your game as it's where you'll yield the best results. I've got a couple of really good live sweat videos from a training site that focus on this area if you're interested?
Best piece of advice for playing MTT's I can give is play to win, this sounds obvious, but so many people play to make the money or to get a deep run. The value in MTT's in on the final table and a lot of the time in smaller MTT's you really need to be looking at top 3 to make significant profits. This means that sometimes you have to not be scared to lose in order to put yourself in a position to be able to win. It's amazing when you do make the late stages, how few people know how to play them in the low stakes games.
Best of luck with it and I look forward to seeing you at the tables
Only just started reading this having seen you on a few MTT tables recently and look forward to seeing how you progress. For me, the key to winning at low stakes MTT's is playing the mid-late stages well as so many players at these levels are clueless about how to play these stages and far too interested in preserving their chipstacks than they are in making a run to win the tournament. If you can pick your spots well, it's very easy to accumulate chips cheaply through these stages and I'd strongly advise really working on this part of your game as it's where you'll yield the best results. I've got a couple of really good live sweat videos from a training site that focus on this area if you're interested? Best piece of advice for playing MTT's I can give is play to win, this sounds obvious, but so many people play to make the money or to get a deep run. The value in MTT's in on the final table and a lot of the time in smaller MTT's you really need to be looking at top 3 to make significant profits. This means that sometimes you have to not be scared to lose in order to put yourself in a position to be able to win. It's amazing when you do make the late stages, how few people know how to play them in the low stakes games. Best of luck with it and I look forward to seeing you at the tables Posted by Slykllist
That would be great Slykllist, that's where I struggle the middle to late stages - I posted a thread up on the clinic a few weeks ago asking the best way to play these stages. If you could send me over some vids that deal with this area, it would really help.
Like that tournie, when I was down to 20 bigs and less, I had total junk hands, best hands was prob KJ K 10 and I don't wanna go to war with them lol
In a way, it's maybe hard for me to adjust (having played cash where you are always deep). I need to make this adjustment to be able to play with a 20-30 blind stack. This is one of my biggest weaknesses at MTTs.
Also is there any players wouldn't mind having a chat on Skype about strategy, MTTs generally, then please send me a PM.
And if any experienced MTT player, would mind having a sweat session with me, when i'm playing an MTT, you could see my cards how i'm playing, that would be pretty awesome too! Just for a certain stage of a tournie would be outstanding!
Some points i'd like to make which may help, i feel.
One thing you can never say is "i got bored". Well say it but don't play hands because of it. Poker is a game of patience.
Playing middle to late stages is crucial and picking your spots too BUT , and its a big but, I've never seen any advice aimed at this period as its too player/stack/position based and too situational to give firm advice. I would love some good examples though. I would say that putting your opponents to making a difficult decision is key here. As i said on your original post aim for top three and this will stop you getting too tight near the bubble or during the cash part is a softer version of Slykllists 'go for the win' but both still require an aggro approach
Making notes is going to make a difference too as you will always come across, for example, blind stealers who will fold to a click back rer etc. However others won't so when they raise from utg and you click back a rer they go ai. You are throwing good info away for other MTT's if you don't record it.
By the way your love of BH's with mad calls etc will soon nosedive when these callers hit to knock you out.......
When you see a poor play or get it in ahead( lets say aim for 70:30) then you've done well.
Anyway you seem to be enjoying the journey. Don't let a cash be your aim....let it be good patient play with correct decisions made based on stack size, position and reads.
PS I played four DS last night where patience is key and yet get the initial surge of players who want to gamble to double up early doors. Fine that's a strategy that can pay dividends but also early exits too. You will find a style that suits you that you feel comfortable with, i'm sure. When i said aim for top three my 2nd place got me 8 times more than my 8th place and the 22nd place got nothing but i needed the double up and needed to take the correct ai for my stack which i did. BTW i checked over my HU this mornig and saw how i butchered it really badlty. You need to allow yourself time to go over past hands and check for mistakes as well as knowing what impression you are giving to your opponents about your play.
Hope this helps. I know its a mixed bag but it contains a lot of stuff which i've found helpful in playing MTT's.
You are right about the whole boredom thing. Very nice post! I'll respond to it later on, once i've played a bit tonight. Honestly, some brilliant feedback on here, that's why Sky has a great community.
Tonight, I Got a Feeling, going to play a few tournies, maybe some HU too, i'm feeling quite good about it and surely a bit of run goods coming tonight! Looking forward 2 it.
In Response to Re: 100 MTT Games - A Journey : That would be great Slykllist, that's where I struggle the middle to late stages - I posted a thread up on the clinic a few weeks ago asking the best way to play these stages. If you could send me over some vids that deal with this area, it would really help. Like that tournie, when I was down to 20 bigs and less, I had total junk hands, best hands was prob KJ K 10 and I don't wanna go to war with them lol In a way, it's maybe hard for me to adjust (having played cash where you are always deep). I need to make this adjustment to be able to play with a 20-30 blind stack. This is one of my biggest weaknesses at MTTs. ------------------------------------------------------- Also is there any players wouldn't mind having a chat on Skype about strategy, MTTs generally, then please send me a PM. And if any experienced MTT player, would mind having a sweat session with me, when i'm playing an MTT, you could see my cards how i'm playing, that would be pretty awesome too! Just for a certain stage of a tournie would be outstanding! Thanks Posted by LARSON7
PM me your address and I'll stick a CD in the post
In Response to Re: 100 MTT Games - A Journey : That would be great Slykllist, that's where I struggle the middle to late stages - I posted a thread up on the clinic a few weeks ago asking the best way to play these stages. If you could send me over some vids that deal with this area, it would really help. Like that tournie, when I was down to 20 bigs and less, I had total junk hands, best hands was prob KJ K 10 and I don't wanna go to war with them lol In a way, it's maybe hard for me to adjust (having played cash where you are always deep). I need to make this adjustment to be able to play with a 20-30 blind stack. This is one of my biggest weaknesses at MTTs. ------------------------------------------------------- Also is there any players wouldn't mind having a chat on Skype about strategy, MTTs generally, then please send me a PM. And if any experienced MTT player, would mind having a sweat session with me, when i'm playing an MTT, you could see my cards how i'm playing, that would be pretty awesome too! Just for a certain stage of a tournie would be outstanding! Thanks Posted by LARSON7
You're right, this is where I struggle with cash, but in reverse.
Relative stack size and fold equity and also fear equity become much bigger factors at this stage, situations and position can be a lot more important than cards at this stage.
HI Larson Some points i'd like to make which may help, i feel. One thing you can never say is "i got bored". Well say it but don't play hands because of it. Poker is a game of patience. Playing middle to late stages is crucial and picking your spots too BUT , and its a big but, I've never seen any advice aimed at this period as its too player/stack/position based and too situational to give firm advice. I would love some good examples though. I would say that putting your opponents to making a difficult decision is key here. As i said on your original post aim for top three and this will stop you getting too tight near the bubble or during the cash part is a softer version of Slykllists 'go for the win' but both still require an aggro approach Making notes is going to make a difference too as you will always come across, for example, blind stealers who will fold to a click back rer etc. However others won't so when they raise from utg and you click back a rer they go ai. You are throwing good info away for other MTT's if you don't record it. By the way your love of BH's with mad calls etc will soon nosedive when these callers hit to knock you out....... When you see a poor play or get it in ahead( lets say aim for 70:30) then you've done well. Anyway you seem to be enjoying the journey. Don't let a cash be your aim....let it be good patient play with correct decisions made based on stack size, position and reads. PS I played four DS last night where patience is key and yet get the initial surge of players who want to gamble to double up early doors. Fine that's a strategy that can pay dividends but also early exits too. You will find a style that suits you that you feel comfortable with, i'm sure. When i said aim for top three my 2nd place got me 8 times more than my 8th place and the 22nd place got nothing but i needed the double up and needed to take the correct ai for my stack which i did. BTW i checked over my HU this mornig and saw how i butchered it really badlty. You need to allow yourself time to go over past hands and check for mistakes as well as knowing what impression you are giving to your opponents about your play. Hope this helps. I know its a mixed bag but it contains a lot of stuff which i've found helpful in playing MTT's. Posted by profman15
Part of yesterday was a bit of tilt.
I fully understand about going for the win, i want too, but the last couple of times i've ran deep pretty much i have been card dead later on. There is positions like blind on blind, with hands like q 8, or 9 10 offsuit, where i could make a move to try and steal the big blind, or go over the top of some1, but really i dont want to jeapordise a tournie with a marginal hand.
It's really difficult when not getting reasonable cards, to do anything.
I seem to be really comfortable early doors, and unwind a bit later on. Where I wished i ran bad early, and good late on at the business end of the tournie.
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Played a freeroll at 3, top 10 got a seat in a sat for upcoming SPT Event.
While i was playing was playing i had some HU games running two, which definatly helped me with concentration / alert.
Was playing really well and crushing the table early doors/ getting max value from hands. It was really easy to read situations, i didn't put a foot wrong. Having the HU games up definatly helped i would say.
At the HU Games i won 8, lost 6, which doesn't sound brilliant but i had a couple of bad beats, getting it in with the best hand and getting outdrawn.
With the freeroll game, i bubbled just before the bubble in 12th place. I was 11th in chips, so was really on the line, 1 double up and i could just sit back. I know it's not like a normal tornie, it would be Sat strategy.
The hand i exited on would be totally standard, but in a Sat (or tournie for a sat) i think i can just fold this and wait for a better spot. It's marginal (for a sat), just when a limper and BB to get through seemed like a good spot to shove. This is the exit hand.
The only other hand i really lost was AJ, versus pocket 8s, i min raised, short stack shoved, no way i can ever fold here. I hit jack he hits set.
Played 2 tournies tonight.
Both deep stacks, i got bored and ended up doing my stacks quickly!
The first one i was kinda shortish, and shoved over the top of a min raise from the BB with 78suited, other guy called with A6 haha
In the other one, it was a BH, i min raised pre, 2 callers, including a shortie. Flop 9 high xx, shortie shipped for 1300, i re shipped, other player had pocket queens. Pretty bad lol
The first hour i was playing pretty good, i had doubled my starting stack pretty much on both tables, but went onto throw them away lol
Next time i'll prob go for a faster tournament.
These are some of the Hands;
Hand 2 whats opponent doing ? lol serioussly?
Hand 3, yeah prob a fold pre, opponent checks flop?? On the Turn yeah i think my KQ might be good here, have to call,
Hand 4, hate the min raise pre, i was trying to raise it more, but for some reason it just done a min min raise. Prob a fold, but hey ho
Hand 5, Worst hand of all! I needed to re raise the flop every day of the week. Knew the opponent was weak, pretty sure 3s were good here. I was overly worried about other oppo. This should have been a reraise.
It was a 15% pot bet on the river!!!
lol nice 1 getting a dark colour screen, first win will be a Green and White post lol
I know, you are spot on. I wasn't really enjoying it after 2 hours last night, was a bit tired. One of the tournies you were getting called by rediculous hands lol in the other tournie there was more folding than an oragami convention.
My attitude was bad last night getting "bored".
The longest i've ever played live was a game at the casino for 12 hours when i final tabled, and i was shattered by the end of it! I thought Newcastle was a 1 day event, but live is good fun so if i make it to day 2 happy days.
Played in a BH this morning, i got a min cash, but still a cash.
One guy who was calling everything, and was winning everything early doors ended up knocking me out with 910 os against pocket kings lol
In these games i'll need to play ultra aggressive, treat TPGK as the nuts, as the lots of times it is in these games! Only really played 1 hand badly against a maniac, i shipped the turn with 2 pair (he was a caller) but folded i should have just set it up 2 shove the river, tho it was quite a wet board.
Exit hand
For me, the key to winning at low stakes MTT's is playing the mid-late stages well as so many players at these levels are clueless about how to play these stages and far too interested in preserving their chipstacks than they are in making a run to win the tournament. If you can pick your spots well, it's very easy to accumulate chips cheaply through these stages and I'd strongly advise really working on this part of your game as it's where you'll yield the best results. I've got a couple of really good live sweat videos from a training site that focus on this area if you're interested?
Best piece of advice for playing MTT's I can give is play to win, this sounds obvious, but so many people play to make the money or to get a deep run. The value in MTT's in on the final table and a lot of the time in smaller MTT's you really need to be looking at top 3 to make significant profits. This means that sometimes you have to not be scared to lose in order to put yourself in a position to be able to win. It's amazing when you do make the late stages, how few people know how to play them in the low stakes games.
Best of luck with it and I look forward to seeing you at the tables
Like that tournie, when I was down to 20 bigs and less, I had total junk hands, best hands was prob KJ K 10 and I don't wanna go to war with them lol
In a way, it's maybe hard for me to adjust (having played cash where you are always deep). I need to make this adjustment to be able to play with a 20-30 blind stack. This is one of my biggest weaknesses at MTTs.
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Also is there any players wouldn't mind having a chat on Skype about strategy, MTTs generally, then please send me a PM.
And if any experienced MTT player, would mind having a sweat session with me, when i'm playing an MTT, you could see my cards how i'm playing, that would be pretty awesome too! Just for a certain stage of a tournie would be outstanding!
Thanks
You are right about the whole boredom thing. Very nice post! I'll respond to it later on, once i've played a bit tonight. Honestly, some brilliant feedback on here, that's why Sky has a great community.
Tonight, I Got a Feeling, going to play a few tournies, maybe some HU too, i'm feeling quite good about it and surely a bit of run goods coming tonight! Looking forward 2 it.
Relative stack size and fold equity and also fear equity become much bigger factors at this stage, situations and position can be a lot more important than cards at this stage.
I fully understand about going for the win, i want too, but the last couple of times i've ran deep pretty much i have been card dead later on. There is positions like blind on blind, with hands like q 8, or 9 10 offsuit, where i could make a move to try and steal the big blind, or go over the top of some1, but really i dont want to jeapordise a tournie with a marginal hand.
It's really difficult when not getting reasonable cards, to do anything.
I seem to be really comfortable early doors, and unwind a bit later on. Where I wished i ran bad early, and good late on at the business end of the tournie.