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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    Wow Played the Community Night Games, toughest MTTs that i play in over the week lol

    I didn't do much tonight. Would be interesting to get some feedback on 2 exit hands.

    The first 1, guy open shoved for 40-50 bigs, i have pocket 9s. I doubt he is that strong open shoving, if he has a big ace, i thought it was worth gambling to get a stack. He has pocket Kings which hold

    Hand 2, would be interested to hear peoples thoughts on this? I guess people might think this is 2 loose, it's shove or fold in my opinion.
    Edit, just looked at this, i really need to bet the turn, i think.
    cajones Small blind  150.00 150.00 11308.75
    LARSON7 Big blind  300.00 450.00 8883.25
      Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 9
         
    cheekydeke Call  300.00 750.00 12255.00
    hndlkcool Fold     
    POKERTREV Fold     
    cajones All-in  11308.75 12058.75 0.00
    LARSON7 All-in  8883.25 20942.00 0.00
    cheekydeke Fold  
    LARSON7 Small blind  30.00 30.00 2015.00
    neil1970 Big blind  60.00 90.00 2535.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
         
    Oban Fold     
    wynne1938 Call  60.00 150.00 4060.00
    hellraser2 Fold     
    shirley02 Fold     
    LARSON7 Raise  150.00 300.00 1865.00
    neil1970 Fold     
    wynne1938 Call  120.00 420.00 3940.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 8
    • 5
         
    LARSON7 Bet  210.00 630.00 1655.00
    wynne1938 Call  210.00 840.00 3730.00
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    LARSON7 Check     
    wynne1938 Bet  630.00 1470.00 3100.00
    LARSON7 All-in  1655.00 3125.00 0.00
    wynne1938 Call  1025.00 4150.00 2075.00
    LARSON7 Show
    • A
    • Q
       
    wynne1938 Show
    • K
    • 10
       
    River
       
    • 6
         
    wynne1938 Win Pair of 10s
  • gazza127gazza127 Member Posts: 2,156
    edited July 2013
    Hand 1) I dont like the call to be honest mate.  You have near enough 30bb and are just guessing as to what oppo has.  Always remember its better to shove than to call.  Youve invested nothing.  Fold and look for a better less random spot.

    Hand 2) I prob make it 180-200 because of limper.  Fine to continuation bet on flop.  Now what are we doing on the turn? Check then raise all in when oppo is not folding because of pot odds.  Its check/fold mate.
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: 100 MTT Games - Ah got a feeling:
    Hand 1) I dont like the call to be honest mate.  You have near enough 30bb and are just guessing as to what oppo has.  Always remember its better to shove than to call.  Youve invested nothing.  Fold and look for a better less random spot. Hand 2) I prob make it 180-200 because of limper.  Fine to continuation bet on flop.  Now what are we doing on the turn? Check then raise all in when oppo is not folding because of pot odds.  Its check/fold mate.
    Posted by gazza127
    Larson7 has also posted this in the clinic so I moved my reply there
    no surprise it's very similar to yours
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2013
    Yeah Hand 1 we can fold, there's just no need to gamble 30xBB and hope we're a marginal favourite in a flip. We could be crushed and at best, we're not in great shape. We got 30xBB, just play some poker and you can beat them.

    Hand 2 same as Gazza said. C/R is the worst option cos we're never getting folds, so we're always getting called and it will always be by better hands and our equity isn't that great anymore with only 1 card to come. I don't hate barrelling or maybe C/C a small bet, but when he bets this size we have to let it go.
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    Thanks.

    I'll prob take a break from MTTs for a bit, i really need to do some reading/ studying on them before i go any further.

    Hand 2 is really bad! I had to post it for others to confirm how bad it was, yeah i have outs, but am quite a massive dog.

    Going to look at getting some books on mtt strategy, i'll have a look at the 1s already mentioned.
  • cgoldiecgoldie Member Posts: 234
    edited July 2013
    1. at almost 30+40 bb deep this is to loose, racing is the best your gonna get here.
    2. your pre is way to small make it 3.5-4bb with the limper. Your flop sizing is really weak for a drawy board, make it 2/3-pot sized here, it's fine getting it in if he shoves. The turn you need to either be letting it go and c/f or continue your aggression with another large bet that makes him fold a lot of his 10x, low pp and draw hands. overall not aggro enough here against a wide range.
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013

    Ended up 3rd in rebuy tournie, my queens were beat my 6 9 suited for an 80k pot (100k chips in play!)

    lol unbelievable way to finish a tournie this is the exit hand


    TopMan12 Small blind  600.00 600.00 24910.00
    LARSON7 Big blind  1200.00 1800.00 40429.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    TROUT117 All-in  40861.00 42661.00 0.00
    TopMan12 Fold     
    LARSON7 Call  39661.00 82322.00 768.00
    LARSON7 Show
    • Q
    • Q
       
    TROUT117 Show
    • 9
    • 6
       
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 2
    • 5
         
    Turn
       
    • 10
         
    River
       
    • 7
         
    TROUT117 Win Flush to the 9 82322.00
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013

    lol this was really annoying.

    I know it's bad to moan about bad beats, but right now it's pretty sick lol

    I have a massive edge 3 handed and this happens

    TROUT1171080001£24.50
    TopMan1202£14.70
    LARSON703£9.80
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2013
    Insane exit hand, really really brutal!

    f.u MTTs! 
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2013
    Yeah this is why MTTs are disgusting lol... I can live with that in the first level, but happening 3handed on the FT is just brutal. Hold there and the win is yours. The positive to take from it though is that you got there and got it in in great shape basically FTW. Keep at it and you'll do it again (but win next time).
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013

    lol aye it was, gutted haha, that was my tournament to win lol but not to worry

    After that tournie i couldn't sleep was way 2 warm, so ended up playing HU Games, managed to win 7 out of 8, ran pretty well and the standard of opponent suited me well. Was really happy with the HU games plus the small cash from the MTT, gave my bankroll a good boost.

    I decided i would play the Orfo deepstack, pretty much i was free rolling after my wins yesterday.

    Also played the £1000 freeroll, and Syndicate freeroll.

    In the syndicate freeroll, i late reg'd after 20 mins. Pretty sure you can do this, fold every hand and you will prob still qualify. Lambert was one of the players at my table "away" lol as were most of the rest of the table at most points, apart from the guy on my right who had 8k and was still playing lol I min raised with Ace 10 Diamonds pre flop up 2 400 (blinds 1 and 200) Flop came 2 D, plus i had a straight draw. I checked opponent bet 800 I had to fold lol i only started the hand with 2.4k. Needless to say i managed to make the top 200.

    In the 1k freeroll, i was sitting with 3.6k with 5 mins 2 go. Think this was only 1 quid or 2 quid maximum.

    I was in the BB with J9 4 way pot (no raise) flop came down 9 high, small blind open shoved and had me well covered. I called hoping he had a flush draw lol Still havnt seen what he had, i left so i didn't see the hand and just came back a minute later to see i had been knocked out. I didnt mind the gamble, i was only making a quid or just over, so was happy to gambl in the free roll to double this up lol

    In the orfie league, i was the second one out after 10 minutes!

    I had pocket aces, it was raised to 100 (blinds 10 20), i bet 48o, 2 callers!!

    Flop comes down 10 QK, terrible flop for aces.

    I then played the hand really bad. My gut instinct was to check it afterit was checked round 2 me. I continued, opponent min raised me!!! I was going to fold, i knew i was never ahead here it screamed of 2 pair.

    I thought blah just call you can hit your straight/ board pairs and hopefully have 2 pair, pray they havnt got a full house!

    Turn was a 4 or something, total blank. Opponent bet, and i said in the chat box "2 pair?" then i shoved lol the speech play never worked. They snap called with their K 10, i did not improve and was out after 10 minutes lol

    The min raise on the flop screemed of strength i knew i was beat, but still went with it.

    After getting to bed late last night, was like 2 am or after and was up early for work was pretty tired tonight tbh. Plus the heat didn't help lol

    After my 10 minute spectacular in the orrfo deepstack, i knew i didn't have the patience for playing MTTs 2 night.

  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited July 2013
    Hi Larson, I am 100% MTT only player so your diary is a great read.

    It is very clear you get very bored quickly playing deepstacks and stack off trying too push players off hands or gamble for a big stack. 

    If I could give you one bit of advice is to set yourself goals and live by them when playing. I would first of all aim to cash 1 in 10 and aim to min cash as if playing a sat then change your goals with your ability. At then end of the day most players will say "play to win" but this isn't going to help you yet. You need to play the first 2 hours without getting bored before you can play to win, otherwise you will be shoving button raises from the off set and you wont get anywhere.

    I am currently playing low stakes MTT's trying to work on my BR management I will follow you when possible, if you fancy a cashing challenge I will be well up for it! (e.g 1st to cash 10 times in MTT's with over 50 runners?) Just for bragging rights but gives us both a goal! Let me know if interested gl at the tables
  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited July 2013
    HI L

    AA is pretty well the only hand that players take a chance with from the point of view of winning a pot with one pair. They've cost me lots of chips at times because when we get the hand we automatically assume chips are coming our way, don't we? Letting go of it when there is a bad flop and signs from our opponent shows good play but is just so hard to do eh?
    That QQ v 96H was scarey, mad play eh? I'd have been sick too. Seems like you're seeing more in your game though and knowing when you are able to play your A game etc. That's progress m8.
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: 100 MTT Games - Ah got a feeling:
    Hi Larson, I am 100% MTT only player so your diary is a great read. It is very clear you get very bored quickly playing deepstacks and stack off trying too push players off hands or gamble for a big stack.  If I could give you one bit of advice is to set yourself goals and live by them when playing. I would first of all aim to cash 1 in 10 and aim to min cash as if playing a sat then change your goals with your ability. At then end of the day most players will say "play to win" but this isn't going to help you yet. You need to play the first 2 hours without getting bored before you can play to win, otherwise you will be shoving button raises from the off set and you wont get anywhere. I am currently playing low stakes MTT's trying to work on my BR management I will follow you when possible, if you fancy a cashing challenge I will be well up for it! (e.g 1st to cash 10 times in MTT's with over 50 runners?) Just for bragging rights but gives us both a goal! Let me know if interested gl at the tables
    Posted by Batkin88
    Good idea! Let's do it, the Cashing Challenge is on lol

    I seen yesterday you've started your diary up again. I only started posting on here about the time you stopped your diary, have only read the first few pages so far, but some very nice results indeed!

    My main weakness in MTT's is the middle stages, playing with fewer bigblinds. It's a bit of struggling to adjust from cash where you are usually always 100 bigs deep. I've still to get a book on MTT strategy, but will be getting one soon!

    Look forward to the challenge, will be fun and will help me focus lol

    Good luck, and look forward to hearing about your progress back on sky

    I'm going to play a few MTT's 2 night.

    Sometimes i make bad decisions when i know i'm beat, i open shove! lol A leak, that i'll stop doinggoing forward. When i say i know i'm beat i have a strong hand, but know opponents is better. It's pretty obvious when players min raise you/ raise you out of the blue.
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: 100 MTT Games - Ah got a feeling:
    HI L AA is pretty well the only hand that players take a chance with from the point of view of winning a pot with one pair. They've cost me lots of chips at times because when we get the hand we automatically assume chips are coming our way, don't we? Letting go of it when there is a bad flop and signs from our opponent shows good play but is just so hard to do eh? That QQ v 96H was scarey, mad play eh? I'd have been sick too. Seems like you're seeing more in your game though and knowing when you are able to play your A game etc. That's progress m8.
    Posted by profman15
    It used to be a leak, i'd never let go of aces, i've folded aces heeps of times, but last night i still had outs and played on when i should have just folded the flop. People might say calling the flop raise was ok, but it was an easy fold.

    I've found with cash or HU games it's easy you can sit down for a short time. Where as with MTTs sometimes i'm fine to play them, but also times when after i've started playing i don't have the patience and do silly things. Weird that it's not till i've sat down i realise.

    -------------------------------

    This is the aces hand i was talking about. Raise pre some will say is 2 big, but i want to see the flop Heads Up.

    When the flop comes down i have position, i think this is a check giving the board texture. I like checking this, that was my gut instinct but felt i better continuation bet.

    I suppose i need to really continue here. But looking back i prefer  a check.

    When i'm min raised, i think it's quite an easy fold. At worst i'm drawing pretty thin. At best i really need to hit 2 improve, and theres not many safe cards i can hit!
    pompeynic Small blind  10.00 10.00 5205.00
    DTWBANDIT Big blind  20.00 30.00 5135.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
    haggis1960 Raise  100.00 130.00 4750.00
    xFold     
    xCall  100.00 230.00 4695.00
    LARSON7 Raise  480.00 710.00 4285.00
    daggers747 Fold     
    timeforbed Fold     
    pompeynic Fold     
    DTWBANDIT Fold     
    haggis1960 Call  380.00 1090.00 4370.00
    xCall  380.00 1470.00 4315.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • K
    • Q
         
    haggis1960 Check     
    Check     
    LARSON7 Bet  735.00 2205.00 3550.00
    haggis1960 Fold     
    xRaise  1500.00 3705.00 2815.00
    LARSON7 Call  765.00
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013

    Played 2 MTTs, 2nite,

    1st one was a deepie, i went out early doors,

    Exit hand, i had flopped a flush, board paired on the turn, guy donk shoved, i snapped him off. He has trip queens, board paired to give him a full house on the river.

    2nd Tournie i played in was a BH, i was doing pretty well/ playing pretty well. I went out 60th of 200. At the time of my exit hand i was average in chips, had i won this hand i was going to be in the top 12-15 with chips.

    In the Big Blind, i flop a flush, on the river board pairs, which i thought was a really good card! Opponent had just hut there trip Aces. Of course they could have a FH! I only had a pot sized bet behind, they had hut their FH lol

    Not  abad beat, hand played itself really

    snellie40 Small blind  150.00 150.00 5710.00
    LARSON7 Big blind  300.00 450.00 6942.50
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • 3
         
    bennett042 Fold     
    VickiC Fold     
    BMRJ Fold     
    59 Call  300.00 750.00 16400.00
    snellie40 Fold     
    LARSON7 Check     
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • J
    • A
         
    LARSON7 Bet  562.50 1312.50 6380.00
    59 Call  562.50 1875.00 15837.50
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    LARSON7 Bet  1406.25 3281.25 4973.75
    59 Call  1406.25 4687.50 14431.25
    River
       
    • A
         
    LARSON7 All-in  4973.75 9661.25 0.00
    59 Call  4973.75 14635.00 9457.50
    LARSON7 Show
    • Q
    • 3
       
    59 Show
    • A
    • 9
       
    59 Win Full House, Aces and 9s 14635
  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited July 2013
    Last hand there is disgusting unlucky.

    I cashed a few last night but we wont count them.

    We can start the cashing challenge from primo 8 O'clock tonight.

    Rules are:

    Has to have over 40 runners
    Cannot be a free roll
    Sats are included if over 40 runners
    First to 10?

    If we record it in your diary so it is all in one place if you are happy to do so? Just have to copy the cash part from the lobby as evidence. If you do not want it in your diary I am happy to put it in mine just let me know.

    If not good luck and remember only tournaments start ing on or after 8pm tonight!

    Kalie
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    In Response to Re: 100 MTT Games - Ah got a feeling:
    Last hand there is disgusting unlucky. I cashed a few last night but we wont count them. We can start the cashing challenge from primo 8 O'clock tonight. Rules are: Has to have over 40 runners Cannot be a free roll Sats are included if over 40 runners First to 10? If we record it in your diary so it is all in one place if you are happy to do so? Just have to copy the cash part from the lobby as evidence. If you do not want it in your diary I am happy to put it in mine just let me know. If not good luck and remember only tournaments start ing on or after 8pm tonight! Kalie
    Posted by Batkin88
    Lol sounds good Kalie, should keep me focussed and disciplined.

    We can just posts results in this thread.

    Had a look at the rest of your diary last night, some very impressive results!

    How many MTT's do you play a week?

    Going out later on, but hopefully will have time for 1 or 2 torunies later on when i'm back in.

    Good luck building the bankroll again!
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013

    For the next 10 games I'm going to record Buyin's/ profit losses made!

    Current banroll is £135.12

    I want to say that i'm not going to play cash in this time, but probably will end up doing so at some point.

    Since i started this thread i must have made a decent loss from MTT's

    Luckily i've done pretty well at cash and HU games, which has kept my bankroll in the green.

    Will be quite interesting to see what the out come is at the end of the next 10 games.

    The challenge with Kalie should keep me a lot more focussed as well.

    For the next 10 games hopefully only  MTT's and HU Turbo games.

  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited July 2013
    Didn't manage to get any MTTs in today.

    And am working late tomorrow, so am most likely going 2 miss the community night tomorrow.

    Might try and get an MTT in tomorrow morning,
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