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Can an old dog learn new tricks?

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014

    Proper heater this, won 8 from 10 for the 2nd session running, & have now won all 4 sessions played this month. THe problem with heaters is that they rarely last 5 sessions....

    Anyway, am happy with the results at the mo, & I'll do well to turn a loss in November.

    I monstered the £3's yesterday (6 from 7) & won both £5.50's, but wasted that by losing the only £11er that ran. Can't complain though, am running really good right now.

    I maybe messed up the £11er by making a reshove too soon, though that is results orientated, as I lost the shove! I had a decent combo hand, & the deep stacked, serial opener had been opening every hand, & very wide indeed, but he had a corking combo this time, & had me completely wrapped up at both ends. Just one of those things, I think. 

    In Maca's "Challenge" thing, I'm on 71% after completing 35% of the 100 games, but that's not sustainable for me, it's just not. On past experience, I'd be abso delighted to end the month with 60% won. 57% or 58% seems to be about my normal %.
     
    So, 60% is the aim, & that will allow for variance to give me a slap round the chops after the current heater ends.

    All good, enjoying my poker immensely.
     
    Am never going to get rich winning £5 or £10 per day, but it sure beats losing, &, you know, it adds up over the weeks, months & years.     
      
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014

    22nd November

    £3.30, P4, W3, L1

    £5.50, P2, W1, L1

    £11,00, P0, W0, L0

    TOTAL for the session, P6, W4, L2 = 67
    %

    TOTAL for the Month, P41, W29, L12, = 71%

    Opening Balance - £1,460.68

    Closing Balance = £1,464.48

    Profit/Loss for Session = £3.80

    Profit/Loss for November £121.93
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014

    Another very short session, just 6 games. Had planned to play 20 or 30, but decided to de-reg after the first 6, as I was not feeling it. The idea was 60 games yesterday & today, so I could wrap up the 100 Game Challenge thing, but that's out of the window now, & will take a few more days to complete.

    Still, 4 from 6 is not so bad. The profit was laughably small - £3.80 - but a profit is a profit, & that is now 5 winning sessions in a row, so I'm very very happy with that.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014

    23rd November

    £3.30, P5, W3, L2

    £5.50, P3, W2, L1

    £11,00, P1, W1, L0

    TOTAL for the session, P9, W6, L3 = 67
    %

    TOTAL for the Month, P50, W35, L15, = 70%

    Opening Balance - £1,464.48

    Closing Balance = £1,478.48

    Profit/Loss for Session = £14.00

    Profit/Loss for November £135.93
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014

    Another short session, just 9 games, won 6.

    Threw away the very last game with a really weak, bad, play, which put me in a bad spot where I had to gamble, (fail)  on the exit hand.

    That apart, in the other 8 games, I would not play a single hand differently.

    Clean sweep, too, won @ all 3 Levels (£3.30, £5.50 & £11), & that makes it 6 winning sessions out of 6 in November.
     
    Am still running embarrassingly well, but it'll turn soon enough.

    In the very first game I got one-outered to leave me with 240 chips in Level One, but somehow scratched & fiddled my way to a rather fortunate win.
     
    All good, though the downturn must be coming down the road any day now.
     
    Great fun.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014

    24th November

    £3.30, P7, W7, L0

    £5.50, P2, W1, L1

    £11,00, P1, W0, L1

    TOTAL for the session, P10, W8, L2 =
    80
    %

    TOTAL for the Month, P60, W43, L17, = 72%

    Opening Balance - £1,478.48

    Closing Balance = £1,485.38

    Profit/Loss for Session = £6.90

    Profit/Loss for November £142.83
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014

    BOOM!

    Last night was my 7th winning session on the bounce, though the amounts won have been very small. It all adds up though. Can't beat a bit of run-good.

    Bit bizarre to win 8 out of 10 @ £3.30, £5.50 & £11 & only win £7 quid though. Played 2 @ £5.50, broke even (after reg fee), but the key moment last night was losing the £11er, the only one I played.
     
    We were 4 handed, jod67 had over 6,000 chips, & we three had around 2,000 each, so it was nip & tuck. 

    Anyone who has played jod67 will know he is a bit of an unconventional player.....personally, I play very cagey against him, as he is unpredictable, & has his own ideas about starting hands. Very much a pre-flop "station", too, never ever folds, & bets every street. 

    Anyway, jod had half the chips in play & was just potting it pre every hand, quite reasonably. (I'd have almost sat out in his spot, but thats another story). 

    So, I find A-K-Q-2, DS, & I can never be in terrible shape here. Jod is SB & pots it, I was in the BB & so I went for it & re-potted. I knew he'd call, of course, so maybe an unwise play on my part. 

    He showed up with the no-low-tastic Q-J-7-7! Yikes. Anyway, he flopped trip jacks, & turned quads for good meaure. GG me, & £11 down the swanee.  

    I sort of thought afterwards I should have kept out of his way, but that's silly really. Just one of those things, but it produced a £20 negative swing on the night's numbers.
     
    Anyway, I can't complain with the run-good I've had in November.

    See you tonight.
      
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Hi Tikay Will these types of games ever be shown on 861 ? Reason i ask is because i read the diary quite alot but still havnt got the foggiest idea how to play it lol I understand how the high hand wins but dont understand how and when the low hand comes into play and which if any are the better to have GL
    Posted by gran23
    Gran!

    I thought I never had any readers left, as I sort of abandoned the Diary whilst I was AWOL & unwell, & once you stop updating it daily, the readers melt away. So, thank you for posting, am pleased I still have at least one reader!

    Will PLO8 ever be shown on 861?

    No idea, but somehow, I'd not bet on it.

    Every now & then they tell me they are working on a PLO "Console", which is needed to show the 4 card game, but then it goes all quiet again.

    I saw a prototype of the PLO Console for 861 recently, it was quite good, but in PLO8, you need a LOT of graphics, & the screen gets a bit "crowded", so I'll be pleasantly surprised if PLO8 is ever shown on 861.
     
    Shame really, it's such a lovely game.

    If you want any tips on how to play PLO8, ask away, & I'll try to explain. It's a LOVELY game, it really is.  
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,758
    edited November 2014
    I'm still peeping through the curtains and reading your fine bloggage most days, keep it up sir, most informative and entertaining. My pl08 score is summat like played 10 lost 20 ;) or so it seems, still most enjoyable game.

    It does seem the starting hand ranges have varied quite dramatically, mind you I can be a bit "unpredictable" at times with my ranges. Makes it all the more interesting and keeps you on your toes ey.

    I had a bit of a result in the other format last night, looks like the week off to rest is going to pay off :) dtd1, yet another deep stack cheap to enter with fine folk playing, and had a rail cheering us on at the end. Splendid stuff.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Hi Tikay Will these types of games ever be shown on 861 ? Reason i ask is because i read the diary quite alot but still havnt got the foggiest idea how to play it lol I understand how the high hand wins but dont understand how and when the low hand comes into play and which if any are the better to have GL
    Posted by gran23
    Hi gran

    There is some good stuff in the poker school on this site


    and Tikay started a PLO8 strategy thread in the clinic too.

    In terms of a low... 

    you need 5 cards 8 or under to make a lo hand

    as with omaha you always have to play 2 of your own hole cards - the difference in this game being you can use any combination of your 4 to try and make a high and a low hand.

    so there needs to be at least 3 different cards 8 or lower on the board, and you have to have 2 different low cards in your hand to have a low.

    e.g. if board is KQ842 you have a low with A3 or even 57 in your hand - you dont if you have A2 (we could call that an orford low)

    straights or flushes do not count in a low hand
    so A2345 is the nut low

    If you read up on omaha starting hands and the advice threads and you have an understanding of dym dynamics then you should be ok (or at least not go broke).

    I had no more than an understanding of the rules and a bit of dym experience and I (just about) hold my own - and I am definitely no expert. Just having fun learning the game.



  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited November 2014
    You've upset me Tikay
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    You've upset me Tikay
    Posted by Jac35
    Good, here's another one to upset you even more.,

    This is INCRED.

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25/probability/pokerstars-rigged-447349/

    It's got nothing on this, though.....

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/great-poker-rigged-debate-collected-threads-edition-255990/
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014

    25th November

    £3.30, P8, W3, L5

    £5.50, P2, W1, L1

    £11,00, P0, W0, L0

    TOTAL for the session, P10, W4, L6 = 4
    0
    %

    TOTAL for the Month, P70, W47, L23, = 67%

    Opening Balance - £1,485.38

    Closing Balance = £1,475.98

    Profit/Loss for Session = £9.40

    Profit/Loss for November £133.23
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014


    Boo!

    Well the heater ended in spectacular style last night, when I lost the last 5 games in a row, after winning 4 of the first 5.

    Can't complain, I've run incredibly hot recently, so it was payback time.
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014


    One of the hands made me really think last night.

    We see this scenario EVERY day, & we love it, because, invariably, we win these coups & so don't think too deeply about it.

    But it's so odd the way people think. 

    The coup was pretty standard, but for context, 4 of us left, Blinds 150-300, & we all have approx equal stacks.

    Chap now LIMPS in first to speak, Button folds, SB makes up. Great spot for me to jam my A-A-2-x, which I do.
     
    Mr Limp now re-shoves for very little more, which is of course better than peeling & leaving no Fold Equity.

    His hand was A-J-9-6. 

    Why would you do that? If we think our hand is worth going to war with, why would we limp for 300 & then be prepared to get the lot in? Why not raise in the first place? It's not that A-J-9-6 - or ANY PLO8 hand - is a "trapping hand", is it?

    The first fundamental of poker I ever learned was "two ways to win" (being the shover not the caller) is always better than one way to win (calling).
     
    The mysteries of poker, eh?

    PS - Oh yeah, the flop was 9-9-J, SCOOPIO!
      
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,533
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    One of the hands made me really think last night. We see this scenario EVERY day, & we love it, because, invariably, we win these coups & so don't think too deeply about it. But it's so odd the way people think.  The coup was pretty standard, but for context, 4 of us left, Blinds 150-300, & we all have approx equal stacks. Chap now LIMPS in first to speak, Button folds, SB makes up. Great spot for me to jam my A-A-2-x, which I do.   Mr Limp now re-shoves for very little more, which is of course better than peeling & leaving no Fold Equity. His hand was A-J-9-6.  Why would you do that? If we think our hand is worth going to war with, why would we limp for 300 & then be prepared to get the lot in? Why not raise in the first place? It's not that A-J-9-6 - or ANY PLO8 hand - is a "trapping hand", is it? The first fundamental of poker I ever learned was "two ways to win" (being the shover not the caller) is always better than one way to win (calling).   The mysteries of poker, eh? PS - Oh yeah, the flop was 9-9-J, SCOOPIO!   
    Posted by Tikay10
    Holding A9 - how dare he !!!
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    VespaPX Small blind   100.00 100.00 1750.00
    hellofishy Big blind   200.00 300.00 1920.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
    • 5
    • 2
         
    churchy18 Fold        
    XXKIPXX Fold        
    tikay1 Raise   700.00 1000.00 235.00
    VespaPX Call   600.00 1600.00 1150.00
    hellofishy Fold        
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • A
    • A
         
    VespaPX Bet   800.00 2400.00 350.00
    tikay1 All-in   235.00 2635.00 0.00
    VespaPX Unmatched bet   565.00 2070.00 915.00
    VespaPX Show
    • A
    • Q
    • 5
    • 2
         
    tikay1 Show
    • 6
    • A
    • K
    • 9
         
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    River
       
    • K
         
    tikay1 Win high Full House, Aces and Kings 2070.00   2070.00
      No qualifying low hand        
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Holding A9 - how dare he !!! Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance VespaPX Small blind   100.00 100.00 1750.00 hellofishy Big blind   200.00 300.00 1920.00   Your hole cards A Q 5 2       churchy18 Fold         XXKIPXX Fold         tikay1 Raise   700.00 1000.00 235.00 VespaPX Call   600.00 1600.00 1150.00 hellofishy Fold         Flop     9 A A       VespaPX Bet   800.00 2400.00 350.00 tikay1 All-in   235.00 2635.00 0.00 VespaPX Unmatched bet   565.00 2070.00 915.00 VespaPX Show A Q 5 2       tikay1 Show 6 A K 9       Turn     J       River     K       tikay1 Win high Full House, Aces and Kings 2070.00   2070.00   No qualifying low hand        
    Posted by VespaPX
    Ha!

    Except I RAISED, & I only had 4.5 Bigs..........

    That's the WHOLE point!

    If I limped-called, yeah, shocker, but I RAISED.
     
    Obv, being me, I flopped a boat, then improved to a bigger boat. I run good. ;)
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,533
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Ha! Except I RAISED, & I only had 4.5 Bigs.......... That's the WHOLE point! If I limped-called, yeah, shocker, but I RAISED.   Obv, being me, I flopped a boat, then improved to a bigger boat. I run good. ;)
    Posted by Tikay10
    Yeh i know.
    Just wanted to show how badly i've been playing recently.
    I mean why did i just call.....should have re-potted.

    Itching to get back playing but know i'm not in the right frame of mind just yet.

    7 days to go before the scaffolding comes down !
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 174,436
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Yeh i know. Just wanted to show how badly i've been playing recently. I mean why did i just call.....should have re-potted. Itching to get back playing but know i'm not in the right frame of mind just yet. 7 days to go before the scaffolding comes down !
    Posted by VespaPX
    Ahh, gotcha.

    Yes (you already know this) but you have to either fold or re-raise all-in there, as it's obvious that after investing 700 of my 935 pre-flop, I sure ain't folding.

    For balance, in your shoes, I happily get it all-in with your hand, A-Q 5-2 must be crushing my 4.5 Bigs "range".
     
    You had nut low, & were only a spot behind for the high, but because you are running bad, there was no low.

    It'll turn soon enough, & you are good enough to beat the game.

    I do think that "run-bad" makes us "play-bad" though, I'm pretty sure that's the case with me.
     
  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    I do think that "run-bad" makes us "play-bad" though, I'm pretty sure that's the case with me.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    I'd go along with that. I've had a pretty brutal stretch at the £3.30s over the last couple of weeks, losing 12 out of the last 13 (and 20 of the last 23) with the result that I've decided to swerve them for a while and try and rebuild both my bank roll and my confidence at the lower levels. Looking back at hand histories it is a real combination of run band and play bad coming together which has hit me.

    Lucky I'm still doing OK at the 60p ones to main a more-or-less 60% on Macac's challenge although I will end up showing a loss in financial terms even if I creep that up to over 65%
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