In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Way too many..... Wish I had more time, I'd bore everyone to death with some of the tales from Walsall & the like. We came back from the break in one big Walsall event, just 2 tables left in a biggie, & of the 7 players on my table, three never returned from the break, which was a bit odd. Later it emerged - dare I say news filtered through? - that there had been a police raid during the break & they'd all been arrested for some cigarette smuggling coup. I'll also reply on Ice Tigers thread about a bizarre happening at Walsall during an APAT thing. It all ended rather badly for one clot of the highest order. Posted by Tikay10
Celebration time (of sorts) as a few days ago - Friday to be exact - my little challenge reached it's 3rd Birthday. On September 2nd 2013, I deposited £200, & I've neither deposited or withdrawn since. The current balance is £3,019.41. That sounds a lot of money - well it IS a lot of money - but I'm not sure I have much to crow about considering it has taken 3 whole years to get there. I'd also estimate - pure guesswork - that at least a third, maybe a half of it came from Rewards money, Promos bonuses & the like. For context, again just guessing, but I reckon I have spent some 600 evenings playing, so that would mean a measly £5 per evening. Looked at another way, I've played around 2,000 hours to earn just shy of £3,000, which is £1.50 per hour. Not exactly crushing, eh? In other trivia, if I have played some 17,000 DYM's in those 3 years. If they averaged £5.50, (probably slightly less) that means I have invested some £93,000 to earn that £3,000. Not a great return, is it? Rake? About £8,500 paid. Yikes. Just imagine, £93,000, it beggars belief, doesn't it? The other side of those coins though is that I've had immense fun, & made a bunch of friends (& a few enemies) & it has cost me nothing. A really intense hobby that costs nothing. Really? How good is that? It's a little embarrassing that a man of my age wastes several hours every night clicking buttons & playing smallball poker. Then again, it keeps my mind active, keeps me out of mischief, & I absolutely relish the challenge. It's something I enjoy. A lot. And, if we can't do what we enjoy in the autumn, early winter even of our lives, it's a bad do I reckon. Not sure how long I will continue. I'm beginning to fret about my mental dexterity & concentration levels. Like our bodily parts, they shrink with age you know. Anyway, a big thank you to everyone who has helped along the way & made the journey such fun. Posted by Tikay10
GREAT post TK.
You can't put a price on enjoyment. Plus, you've kept quite a few of us enthralled/mildly interested in your quest. ;-)
Celebration time (of sorts) as a few days ago - Friday to be exact - my little challenge reached it's 3rd Birthday. On September 2nd 2013, I deposited £200, & I've neither deposited or withdrawn since. The current balance is £3,019.41. That sounds a lot of money - well it IS a lot of money - but I'm not sure I have much to crow about considering it has taken 3 whole years to get there. I'd also estimate - pure guesswork - that at least a third, maybe a half of it came from Rewards money, Promos bonuses & the like. For context, again just guessing, but I reckon I have spent some 600 evenings playing, so that would mean a measly £5 per evening. Looked at another way, I've played around 2,000 hours to earn just shy of £3,000, which is £1.50 per hour. Not exactly crushing, eh? In other trivia, if I have played some 17,000 DYM's in those 3 years. If they averaged £5.50, (probably slightly less) that means I have invested some £93,000 to earn that £3,000. Not a great return, is it? Rake? About £8,500 paid. Yikes. Just imagine, £93,000, it beggars belief, doesn't it? The other side of those coins though is that I've had immense fun, & made a bunch of friends (& a few enemies) & it has cost me nothing. A really intense hobby that costs nothing. Really? How good is that? It's a little embarrassing that a man of my age wastes several hours every night clicking buttons & playing smallball poker. Then again, it keeps my mind active, keeps me out of mischief, & I absolutely relish the challenge. It's something I enjoy. A lot. And, if we can't do what we enjoy in the autumn, early winter even of our lives, it's a bad do I reckon. Not sure how long I will continue. I'm beginning to fret about my mental dexterity & concentration levels. Like our bodily parts, they shrink with age you know. Anyway, a big thank you to everyone who has helped along the way & made the journey such fun. Posted by Tikay10
A completely and unabridged wonderful quality post.
Thank you for the reply Tikay. I've just picked up your e-mail too, which I will reply to tomorrow.
Things are great, with all these fab promos sky keep putting on I'm finding myself playing more than ever, which is way way to much. Just when one stops, another one begins so here am trying to smash the happy days, although the balance would suggest today hasn't been to happy.
Really enjoyed the show tonight. Jack was a great guest. Reached the top of his sport and still modest and very down to earth. 'Success has made failures of many men' (Cindy Adams) but certainly not in Jacks case.
When are we going to see your priority quest come to fruition? I'm not going to let you forget
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : GREAT post TK. You can't put a price on enjoyment. Plus, you've kept quite a few of us enthralled/mildly interested in your quest. ;-) Posted by Glenelg
Thank you for the reply Tikay. I've just picked up your e-mail too, which I will reply to tomorrow. Things are great, with all these fab promos sky keep putting on I'm finding myself playing more than ever, which is way way to much. Just when one stops, another one begins so here am trying to smash the happy days, although the balance would suggest today hasn't been to happy. Really enjoyed the show tonight. Jack was a great guest. Reached the top of his sport and still modest and very down to earth. 'Success has made failures of many men' (Cindy Adams) but certainly not in Jacks case. When are we going to see your priority quest come to fruition? I'm not going to let you forget Posted by Donttelmum
Have to say, some of these Promos are really addictive, & make us all want to play more.
I never entered the Premiership thing originally, but there were such a lot of negative feedback queries that I decided to enter just so I could get a proper feel for how it worked etc. Now I'm busy F5-ing every day to see how I am getting on. I was mildly miffed that I had to work last night & so missed a session. I was on £25 the day before, so I was whittling that I'd lost £25, whilst conveniently ignoring my Show Fee, which is rather more than that. Proper poker player me, want my cake & eat it, bread buttered both sides etc. Have to say, some of the complaints about the timing of various promos, especially the Prio ones, have blown me away. The least said the better, I think.
Last night's Show - yes, I thought Jack was a really smashing lad. A good role model in so many ways. Liked him enormously, & he never seemed to have an ounce of bitterness at his ill-fortune. It took away 10 years of his career & probably cost him £10 to £20 million, but he seemed content with how life had panned out for him. Love folks who don't have that terribly misplaced sense of entitlement that so many poker players have.
Me make Prio? Ha, it's on my little bucket list, it really is. Time is an issue, until Upstairs decide it's time for me to move on, maybe then I could do it. And in my current format - PLO8 DYM's, not enough games run, & the average stake is only around a fiver, so it's just not possible.
I have been giving thought to trying some NLH DYM's. I see Grumpy Jac earned 1,000 points last night - I could never do that in PLO8, it'd take me best part of a week. I fear the £20 & up NLH DYM's might have too many "regulars" for me & they'd run over me. Do you reckon I could hack it at, say, the £10 level though? I'm way out of touch with NLH ranges of course, but half the battle in these things is understanding DYM dynamics, & I think I'd be OK in that department.
It is deffo on my bucket list though. As are so many things......
Last night's session; - this is what happens when the trio of 1) playing poorly, 2) running bad & 3) a dose of negative variance all gang up on us at once.....
£2.25, P3, W1, L2
£3.30, P19, W5 (FIVE) L 14 (FOURTEEN)
£5.50 P9, W4, L5
£11, P2, W1, L1.
I'm taking the 1-1 draw in the £11ers as a positive. It's the best I can manage.
Oh, & bye bye £46.95.
Highlight of the session was Mr Optimistic who wanted to get his full stack in pre with the old 9-4-3-3. He was right, too.
See you later for - one hopes - the recovery mission.
I have been toying with the idea of adding a few NLH DYM's to my session when the PLO8 games are a bit quiet. It's especially relevant during Happy Days of course when we can really rack up the Reward Points.
I'm out of touch with NLH ranges & stuff, but can make up some of that deficit with a reasonable grasp of DYM logic. I'm sure, just as in PLO8, there are players who limp in every hand, even at 200-400, & all that stuff.
With the games a bit quiet last night, & a late night in prospect as I planned to watch the NFL game at 0130 as I had a bet on it, I tentatively opened the NLH Lobby & had a look at the £11 & £22 games. For those of us who play PLO8 DYM's, we rarely see games above £5.50, so the Reward Points were really tempting.
First game I looked at, an £11er, had Nutter5932 & JMcririck both registered. Next game, same 2.
Err, think I'll pass on that ta.
If it had been Grumpy Jac & Plump Percy I may have had a dabble, but no such luck.
How do you play hands such as KK23 QQ23, i find myself folding these most situations. Is there any situation that these hands would suit best or are they better like i said just a fold.
Tikay quick question How do you play hands such as KK23 QQ23, i find myself folding these most situations. Is there any situation that these hands would suit best or are they better like i said just a fold. Posted by stuarty117
I'm not mad on them, to be honest, though the 2-3 danglers are a sort of insurance against the Ace falling. Really, PLO & PLO8 are not "one pair" games, are they? In O8, we must have balanced hands wherever possible.
I do play them on occasion during late stages, 4 handed with big blinds, as at that point, really we are just blind stealing & paying the rent, & most shoves at 150-300 up get through uncalled.
That advice comes to you free from the man who played 19 games @ £3.30 last night & lost 14 of them. Priceless.
In position I'm raising all day with both. OOP I'm getting in cheap and seeing a flop, prob folding to a raise. Again, would prob play it different depending on whether it's a DYM/MTT and what stage we are at. Posted by nickkay
The problem I find there is knowing "where we are" post flop.
We raise with, say, K-K-x-x or Q-Q-x-x & the flop comes J-6-7 high & we bet & some guy repots us. We are - almost certainly - only playing for half here. Which is not what we want to be doing, is it? I don't like the idea of being freerolled in these spots & risking my stack to get half back.
You make an extremely good point as to whether it is an MTT or a DYM though. DYM dynamics are SO different from MTT's, & many can't seem to understand this. In an MTT we want to win all the chips, in a DYM we can & maybe should be much more conservative, as we only have to outlast 3 players. Different things entirely.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I'm not mad on them, to be honest, though the 2-3 danglers are a sort of insurance against the Ace falling. Really, PLO & PLO8 are not "one pair" games, are they? In O8, we must have balanced hands wherever possible. I do play them on occasion during late stages, 4 handed with big blinds, as at that point, really we are just blind stealing & paying the rent, & most shoves at 150-300 up get through uncalled. That advice comes to you free from the man who played 19 games @ £3.30 last night & lost 14 of them. Priceless. Posted by Tikay10
Yes i tried telling a friend that he was playing QQxx KKxx far to much as he is so use to holdem. As if a ace hits the flop we are snookered and really only a chance at the low and it may not come at all.
If playing KK i rather have it with AKK2, AKK3 even AKK4 or QQ for that matter
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Yes i tried telling a friend that he was playing QQxx KKxx far to much as he is so use to holdem. As if a ace hits the flop we are snookered and really only a chance at the low and it may not come at all. If playing KK i rather have it with AKK2, AKK3 even AKK4 or QQ for that matter Posted by stuarty117
These are real beauts, happy to go to war armed with them.
Even if we walk smack bang into the Aces - & we will, surprisingly often - we are far from dead.
Not so keen on naked K-K or Q-Q though. I am, of course, way too nitty, which is generally right for most DYM's (opponents specific), but I don't like leaving home without an ace where possible. The ace in our hand means we are playing with 5 cards, not 4 like other hands.
I played a lot of O8 & Big O in Vegas this year, & don't think I played a significant pot without an ace in my hand.
For balance, I had the dubious pleasure of having Richard Ashby on my table in the $3,000 WSOP PLO8. Oh my, you should see HIS starting ranges. Pretty much any 4, & leaning more towards PLO than PLO8 standard ranges. It was breathtaking to watch, not so nice to counter, especially as he was 2 to my left.
I only played one big pot v him, as I was rather keen to stay out of his way - I was playing small pot poker, he was playing for stacks every hand. In 20 minutes, his stack went from 20,000, to 180,000, back to 15,000, then zipped back up to 100,000. All action stuff, & his ploy is sheer aggression.
Anyway, we went to war, I hit my flop hard & check raised him, & with no theatricals or Hollywooding he snap mucked. I flashed him my Ace (well, one of them....), & he retorted, "Tony, we don't need to see your Ace, we know you never play a hand without one".
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : These are real beauts, happy to go to war armed with them. Even if we walk smack bang into the Aces - & we will, surprisingly often - we are far from dead. Not so keen on naked K-K or Q-Q though. I am, of course, way too nitty, which is generally right for most DYM's (opponents specific), but I don't like leaving home without an ace where possible. The ace in our hand means we are playing with 5 cards, not 4 like other hands. I played a lot of O8 & Big O in Vegas this year, & don't think I played a significant pot without an ace in my hand. For balance, I had the dubious pleasure of having Richard Ashby on my table in the $3,000 WSOP PLO8. Oh my, you should see HIS starting ranges. Pretty much any 4, & leaning more towards PLO than PLO8 standard ranges. It was breathtaking to watch, not so nice to counter, especially as he was 2 to my left. I only played one big pot v him, as I was rather keen to stay out of his way - I was playing small pot poker, he was playing for stacks every hand. In 20 minutes, his stack went from 20,000, to 180,000, back to 15,000, then zipped back up to 100,000. All action stuff, & his ploy is sheer aggression. Anyway, we went to war, I hit my flop hard & check raised him, & with no theatricals or Hollywooding he snap mucked. I flashed him my Ace (well, one of them....), & he retorted, "Tony, we don't need to see your Ace, we know you never play a hand without one". I felt so owned, lol. PS - He finished 4th for $86,000. Posted by Tikay10
so the best way to play PLO8 is any 4 cards might give it a bash
Yesterday, I wrote this about a particularly expensive session on Thursday.....
"Last night's session; - this is what happens when the trio of 1) playing poorly, 2) running bad & 3) a dose of negative variance all gang up on us at once.....
£2.25, P3, W1, L2
£3.30, P19, W5 (FIVE) L 14 (FOURTEEN)
£5.50 P9, W4, L5
£11, P2, W1, L1.
I'm taking the 1-1 draw in the £11ers as a positive. It's the best I can manage.
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I never entered the Premiership thing originally, but there were such a lot of negative feedback queries that I decided to enter just so I could get a proper feel for how it worked etc. Now I'm busy F5-ing every day to see how I am getting on. I was mildly miffed that I had to work last night & so missed a session. I was on £25 the day before, so I was whittling that I'd lost £25, whilst conveniently ignoring my Show Fee, which is rather more than that. Proper poker player me, want my cake & eat it, bread buttered both sides etc. Have to say, some of the complaints about the timing of various promos, especially the Prio ones, have blown me away. The least said the better, I think.
Last night's Show - yes, I thought Jack was a really smashing lad. A good role model in so many ways. Liked him enormously, & he never seemed to have an ounce of bitterness at his ill-fortune. It took away 10 years of his career & probably cost him £10 to £20 million, but he seemed content with how life had panned out for him. Love folks who don't have that terribly misplaced sense of entitlement that so many poker players have.
Me make Prio? Ha, it's on my little bucket list, it really is. Time is an issue, until Upstairs decide it's time for me to move on, maybe then I could do it. And in my current format - PLO8 DYM's, not enough games run, & the average stake is only around a fiver, so it's just not possible.
I have been giving thought to trying some NLH DYM's. I see Grumpy Jac earned 1,000 points last night - I could never do that in PLO8, it'd take me best part of a week. I fear the £20 & up NLH DYM's might have too many "regulars" for me & they'd run over me. Do you reckon I could hack it at, say, the £10 level though? I'm way out of touch with NLH ranges of course, but half the battle in these things is understanding DYM dynamics, & I think I'd be OK in that department.
It is deffo on my bucket list though. As are so many things......
Last night's session; - this is what happens when the trio of 1) playing poorly, 2) running bad & 3) a dose of negative variance all gang up on us at once.....
£2.25, P3, W1, L2
£3.30, P19, W5 (FIVE) L 14 (FOURTEEN)
£5.50 P9, W4, L5
£11, P2, W1, L1.
I'm taking the 1-1 draw in the £11ers as a positive. It's the best I can manage.
Oh, & bye bye £46.95.
Highlight of the session was Mr Optimistic who wanted to get his full stack in pre with the old 9-4-3-3. He was right, too.
See you later for - one hopes - the recovery mission.
I have been toying with the idea of adding a few NLH DYM's to my session when the PLO8 games are a bit quiet. It's especially relevant during Happy Days of course when we can really rack up the Reward Points.
I'm out of touch with NLH ranges & stuff, but can make up some of that deficit with a reasonable grasp of DYM logic. I'm sure, just as in PLO8, there are players who limp in every hand, even at 200-400, & all that stuff.
With the games a bit quiet last night, & a late night in prospect as I planned to watch the NFL game at 0130 as I had a bet on it, I tentatively opened the NLH Lobby & had a look at the £11 & £22 games. For those of us who play PLO8 DYM's, we rarely see games above £5.50, so the Reward Points were really tempting.
First game I looked at, an £11er, had Nutter5932 & JMcririck both registered. Next game, same 2.
Err, think I'll pass on that ta.
If it had been Grumpy Jac & Plump Percy I may have had a dabble, but no such luck.
I do play them on occasion during late stages, 4 handed with big blinds, as at that point, really we are just blind stealing & paying the rent, & most shoves at 150-300 up get through uncalled.
That advice comes to you free from the man who played 19 games @ £3.30 last night & lost 14 of them. Priceless.
We raise with, say, K-K-x-x or Q-Q-x-x & the flop comes J-6-7 high & we bet & some guy repots us. We are - almost certainly - only playing for half here. Which is not what we want to be doing, is it? I don't like the idea of being freerolled in these spots & risking my stack to get half back.
You make an extremely good point as to whether it is an MTT or a DYM though. DYM dynamics are SO different from MTT's, & many can't seem to understand this. In an MTT we want to win all the chips, in a DYM we can & maybe should be much more conservative, as we only have to outlast 3 players. Different things entirely.
Even if we walk smack bang into the Aces - & we will, surprisingly often - we are far from dead.
Not so keen on naked K-K or Q-Q though. I am, of course, way too nitty, which is generally right for most DYM's (opponents specific), but I don't like leaving home without an ace where possible. The ace in our hand means we are playing with 5 cards, not 4 like other hands.
I played a lot of O8 & Big O in Vegas this year, & don't think I played a significant pot without an ace in my hand.
For balance, I had the dubious pleasure of having Richard Ashby on my table in the $3,000 WSOP PLO8. Oh my, you should see HIS starting ranges. Pretty much any 4, & leaning more towards PLO than PLO8 standard ranges. It was breathtaking to watch, not so nice to counter, especially as he was 2 to my left.
I only played one big pot v him, as I was rather keen to stay out of his way - I was playing small pot poker, he was playing for stacks every hand. In 20 minutes, his stack went from 20,000, to 180,000, back to 15,000, then zipped back up to 100,000. All action stuff, & his ploy is sheer aggression.
Anyway, we went to war, I hit my flop hard & check raised him, & with no theatricals or Hollywooding he snap mucked. I flashed him my Ace (well, one of them....), & he retorted, "Tony, we don't need to see your Ace, we know you never play a hand without one".
I felt so owned, lol.
PS - He finished 4th for $86,000.
Yesterday, I wrote this about a particularly expensive session on Thursday.....
"Last night's session; - this is what happens when the trio of 1) playing poorly, 2) running bad & 3) a dose of negative variance all gang up on us at once.....
£2.25, P3, W1, L2
£3.30, P19, W5 (FIVE) L 14 (FOURTEEN)
£5.50 P9, W4, L5
£11, P2, W1, L1.
I'm taking the 1-1 draw in the £11ers as a positive. It's the best I can manage.
Oh, & bye bye £46.95."