Making the 10,000 points is in the bag, no problem there.
Doing it profitably, not so much.
Been a brutal 2 days so far this week, & I'm surprised to be only £60 down. (Excluding Rewards payments).
If I were just playing O8 DYM's the swings are smaller, as the average stake is only about £4, & the volume is far lower.
Now I've more than doubled the volume, & the average stake is around £12 or £13, so the swings are bound to be bigger I guess.
In O8, if I have a few bad days, it does not overly bother me - I KNOW I will turn it round & end up ahead, it's guaranteed. In NLH though, it really damages my belief & confidence, & I'm definitely doubting myself now.
It's also hard to differentiate between run bad & play bad. I know the answer in O8, but not in NLH.
I've had 2 days in NLH where it seemed impossible to get the right side of AK. If I have it, I miss, if I run into it with JJ or whatever, it hits. It feels like that, but of course the reality is maybe I need to improve my NLH game a lot more.
I HAVE improved a great deal. Not sure I've improved enough though.
We shall see. Really loving the mental challenge though. I really have to concentrate & I make a lot of mistakes, but the learning graph is heading the right way, of that I'm certain.
A slightly better day yesterday, only £20.40 profit, but after 2 losing days it felt like a huge win.
The figures were flattered by a clean sweep of 5 x £20 games, but if I had lost just one of those 5, I'd have been in negative territory again.
Just 10 PLO8 DYM's ran in a 2 hour spell for 36 points. I then jumped across to the NLH DYM's & collected 315 points in 2.5 hours.
I expect to reach the 10,000 points on Saturday, giving me 3 days to spare, so that part of the challenge is in great shape. Doing it profitably hangs in the balance, though.
great stuff TK, really good to see you are going to make priority.
I love your attitude to these mini swings (which you said have become a bit more pronounced running more bigger buy in DYMs).
I must admit I find them very difficult (its one of the main reasons I have moved so slowly through stakes),even when looking back at my graphs and seeing the same patterns.
Anyway very best of luck staying in the black and joining the 'prio club' just think you could share a table in the FR with that grumpy bloke from Derby ;-)
great stuff TK, really good to see you are going to make priority. I love your attitude to these mini swings (which you said have become a bit more pronounced running more bigger buy in DYMs). I must admit I find them very difficult (its one of the main reasons I have moved so slowly through stakes),even when looking back at my graphs and seeing the same patterns. Anyway very best of luck staying in the black and joining the 'prio club' just think you could share a table in the FR with that grumpy bloke from Derby ;-) Posted by HENDRIK62
Thanks HL. I'm not sure I'm handling these bigger swings in NLH as well as I'd hoped (the swings are bigger as the volume is greater, as are the stakes) but I'm just about keeping it in perspective, aided, I have to admit, by words of encouragement from The Grumpy One.
I know you do have a bit of a problem with the swings, (poker, not golf) but I think you need to take a wider view. You do just fine, but no matter how competent you are, poker is like that, swings are part & parcel of the game, they just are. Having said that, I tend to avoid MTT's as I'm not sure I'd cope with the swings & huge variance.
I've already shared quite a few tables with Lord Grumpy, but we've not really banged heads much. Yet.
I got owned by a player named babes01 yesterday. Very good player indeed. I button raised his BB with KQ suited with the blinds at 150-300, & I made it 600 from 2,100, & he re-potted it. He has not generally messed with me, & I just about found the fold. It was all-in or fold of course. He then showed 2-3, much to the amusement of the entire table.
I was a little surprised he showed, to be honest, it seemed a little un-necessary, but I guess that is why he is a big winner whilst I'm struggling to keep my head above water.
Going back to HL, did you see that bizarre hand in that PLO8 DYM last night?
Very first hand of the DYM, & I had the Aces, & my man went pot pot pot pre & we got the lot in.
He showed up with.....2-2-7-8, flopped his deuce, gg me.
We can get discouraged & "sigh" at these beats, but long term we ought to love it. That player is our future profit, & in the long tem we'll muller him.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Just a bit. We chat warmly, & he calls me "Tony", so I guess he must know me from somewhere. Posted by Tikay10
Good to see the Prio quest is pretty much nailed on!
I will start mine in April. Will probably do it via cash games though.
I think I was at your table during that 2278 hand, I missed it though due to other tables being open (I seem to get less competent with several tables open as each year passes).
Were you tempted to flat call for pot control though? I mean, it isn't a criticism, depending on my mood I would do a variety of things including repotting it all in just as you did. However, when I feel I am playing at my best I feel I would probably flat call and evaluate post flop during the early stages (10-20, 15-30). Obviously we need to be winning quite a decent percentage of the time if we are all in preflop in a DYM and although it seems such an easy spot to get it all in, it is probablly mathematically quite thin in relation to profitability.
I suspect your skills and understanding of the game post flop would probably make flatting, re-evaluating on the flop, getting away from the hand if needs be, and outplaying the opponents with pot control in better spots more profitable.
I dunno, just another take on it. For someone without your skills and understanding of the game it is a very easy repop and get it in.
Very impressed with your prio mission Tikay, even more so if you get over the line in profit. Another one of the bucket list ticked off.
Have you seen the amount of points the spin up guys are racking up to win a seat in the Drive the Prize promotion? 60k+ in a week. Have you considered going down this route?
I'm going to make a poor 20k points this month, I'm just considering how much of an effect the spin ups have had on this. I've resisted the temptation of going over to the dark side as of yet.
Best of luck for the next few days from a well turned out DTM
Good to see the Prio quest is pretty much nailed on! I will start mine in April. Will probably do it via cash games though. I think I was at your table during that 2278 hand, I missed it though due to other tables being open (I seem to get less competent with several tables open as each year passes). Were you tempted to flat call for pot control though? I mean, it isn't a criticism, depending on my mood I would do a variety of things including repotting it all in just as you did. However, when I feel I am playing at my best I feel I would probably flat call and evaluate post flop during the early stages (10-20, 15-30). Obviously we need to be winning quite a decent percentage of the time if we are all in preflop in a DYM and although it seems such an easy spot to get it all in, it is probablly mathematically quite thin in relation to profitability. I suspect your skills and understanding of the game post flop would probably make flatting, re-evaluating on the flop, getting away from the hand if needs be, and outplaying the opponents with pot control in better spots more profitable. I dunno, just another take on it. For someone without your skills and understanding of the game it is a very easy repop and get it in. Posted by markycash
It kinda depends on the player in question & my mood, I suppose. Neither is necessarily right or wrong really.
In this case, I knew the player - a very rare visitor to the O8 tables - was a real Alfred Any Four sort, so I knew pretty much he'd have a set of spanners.
This does not make it right or wrong of course, but the flop was something like K-9-2 - I can't ever get off aces on that flop, so the result would likely be the same. With, say, high only aces and a 2-3-7 flop, we are done with the hand, not another chip, but don't think we can get off a K-9-2 flop. He had 2-2-7-8 of course, so setted up.
Very impressed with your prio mission Tikay, even more so if you get over the line in profit. Another one of the bucket list ticked off. Have you seen the amount of points the spin up guys are racking up to win a seat in the Drive the Prize promotion? 60k+ in a week.Have you considered going down this route? I'm going to make a poor 20k points this month, I'm just considering how much of an effect the spin ups have had on this. I've resisted the temptation of going over to the dark side as of yet. Best of luck for the next few days from a well turned out DTM Posted by Donttelmum
HOW MANY?
Strewth alive.
No, not in the least tempted to go down the cash route. I do enjoy PLO & PLO8 cash, but prefer to play it "live".
Do you think the DYM traffic has been affected this month by Spinner Winner? Based on this month, I reckon I could make Prio every month if I so desired. (I don't). It's so easy to rack up points at NLH DYM's.
I may have heard it wrong, but a little birdie told me that a bunch of reprobates plan an assault on Vegas this year - you, Batesy, Dog Bloke & Magic Timmy. Yikes, that'd be some team. I plan to be in Vegas on my own account for all of June, so we might just hook up.
I have to say, one thing with this Prio thing & trying to re-learn NLH, the "senior" players have been very encouraging & supportive, good craic, too. Had some great bants with Magic Tim, (& Miss RaRa), Spanky, Reflex, Grumpy Bloke & many others. I have no interest in playing poker purely for money, it has to be fun, & those lads are top top blokes.*
Run a bit nasty in a few crucial spots, but nothing really bad, just failed to win the flips that mattered & made a few mistakes.
Towards the end, I was in a hole, & a reasonable looking £30er was running. OK, let's gamble.
JMcCririck was clearly best not tangled with, but it was otherwise very playable, & I arrived 4 handed in decent shape. We could not bust anyone though - 5 all-ins amongst the other 3 all went to the "wrong" player, & soon is was shove time, with blinds at 300-600. I jammed with K-10 into Reflex, who just covered me, & he looked me up, quite reasonably, with 6-6. Flopped both my overs, happy days, he flopped his 6, not so happy days. I had to jam in that spot, as blinds were about to go 400-800, & I was in the BB next hand. No regrets, really. Well that's not true, of course I regret it, but you get my drift.
I have to say, the late evening session - where I play the £10, £15 & £20 games, really revs me up - it's immensely exciting to "stretch" my nitty bankroll rules with bigger games & I enjoy it immensely.
Not kidding myself though, I need to improve my NLH game a good deal.
2 of us - me & A N Other - had 5,000 chips each @ 200-400. We'd been playing strategically for several orbits.
The other big stack was to my immediate left, & I had walked him every time. Then I picked up K-K, so just min-raised, expecting him to take the hint & fold - & he jammed all-in.
I folded, obv, but it irritated me more than it should have. More with myself, I suppose, for even raising in the first place, but not the brightest play by him, either. Anyway, we got over the line safely in the end.
Oh yeah - & there was 1 £20 game where some roffler jammed 8-3 into my A-J & got there. Won't mention any names, but he's from Derby & famously grumpy. Marv.
One £20 game was a bit odd. 2 of us - me & A N Other - had 5,000 chips each @ 200-400. We'd been playing strategically for several orbits. The other big stack was to my immediate left, & I had walked him every time. Then I picked up K-K, so just min-raised, expecting him to take the hint & fold - & he jammed all-in. I folded, obv, but it irritated me more than it should have. More with myself, I suppose, for even raising in the first place, but not the brightest play by him, either. Anyway, we got over the line safely in the end. Oh yeah - & there was 1 £20 game where some roffler jammed 8-3 into my A-J & got there. Won't mention any names, but he's from Derby & famously grumpy. Marv. Posted by Tikay10
Bit similar to the bubble of another game when some old duffer shoved 86 into my A8 and got there
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Points earned so far in February - 8,280.
Points per day required to reach 10,000 by month end - 246 per day.
Profit/loss on Month to date - £40.92 profit.
So, mixed news on Project Prio.
Making the 10,000 points is in the bag, no problem there.
Doing it profitably, not so much.
Been a brutal 2 days so far this week, & I'm surprised to be only £60 down. (Excluding Rewards payments).
If I were just playing O8 DYM's the swings are smaller, as the average stake is only about £4, & the volume is far lower.
Now I've more than doubled the volume, & the average stake is around £12 or £13, so the swings are bound to be bigger I guess.
In O8, if I have a few bad days, it does not overly bother me - I KNOW I will turn it round & end up ahead, it's guaranteed. In NLH though, it really damages my belief & confidence, & I'm definitely doubting myself now.
It's also hard to differentiate between run bad & play bad. I know the answer in O8, but not in NLH.
I've had 2 days in NLH where it seemed impossible to get the right side of AK. If I have it, I miss, if I run into it with JJ or whatever, it hits. It feels like that, but of course the reality is maybe I need to improve my NLH game a lot more.
I HAVE improved a great deal. Not sure I've improved enough though.
We shall see. Really loving the mental challenge though. I really have to concentrate & I make a lot of mistakes, but the learning graph is heading the right way, of that I'm certain.
The PLO8 DYM traffic has declined significantly, I'm lucky to get 10 games per evening now.
To give an idea of "scale", last night I played 2 sessions:
PLO8
£3, P6, W5, L1
£5, P4, W4, L0
Profit £28.20
Points earned 32
NLH
£10, P12, W9, L3
£15, P5, W0, L5
£20, P4, W2, L2
£30, P1, W1, L0
Loss £15.50
Points earned 305
I thought I did OK at the NLH last night, but those £15 games - P5, L5 - really did the damage.
Anyway, on we go.
Points earned so far in February - 8,796.
Points per day required to reach 10,000 by month end - 201 per day.
Profit/loss on Month to date - £61.32 profit.
A slightly better day yesterday, only £20.40 profit, but after 2 losing days it felt like a huge win.
The figures were flattered by a clean sweep of 5 x £20 games, but if I had lost just one of those 5, I'd have been in negative territory again.
Just 10 PLO8 DYM's ran in a 2 hour spell for 36 points. I then jumped across to the NLH DYM's & collected 315 points in 2.5 hours.
I expect to reach the 10,000 points on Saturday, giving me 3 days to spare, so that part of the challenge is in great shape. Doing it profitably hangs in the balance, though.
I know you do have a bit of a problem with the swings, (poker, not golf) but I think you need to take a wider view. You do just fine, but no matter how competent you are, poker is like that, swings are part & parcel of the game, they just are. Having said that, I tend to avoid MTT's as I'm not sure I'd cope with the swings & huge variance.
I've already shared quite a few tables with Lord Grumpy, but we've not really banged heads much. Yet.
I got owned by a player named babes01 yesterday. Very good player indeed. I button raised his BB with KQ suited with the blinds at 150-300, & I made it 600 from 2,100, & he re-potted it. He has not generally messed with me, & I just about found the fold. It was all-in or fold of course. He then showed 2-3, much to the amusement of the entire table.
I was a little surprised he showed, to be honest, it seemed a little un-necessary, but I guess that is why he is a big winner whilst I'm struggling to keep my head above water.
Going back to HL, did you see that bizarre hand in that PLO8 DYM last night?
Very first hand of the DYM, & I had the Aces, & my man went pot pot pot pre & we got the lot in.
He showed up with.....2-2-7-8, flopped his deuce, gg me.
We can get discouraged & "sigh" at these beats, but long term we ought to love it. That player is our future profit, & in the long tem we'll muller him.
We chat warmly, & he calls me "Tony", so I guess he must know me from somewhere.
I will start mine in April. Will probably do it via cash games though.
I think I was at your table during that 2278 hand, I missed it though due to other tables being open (I seem to get less competent with several tables open as each year passes).
Were you tempted to flat call for pot control though? I mean, it isn't a criticism, depending on my mood I would do a variety of things including repotting it all in just as you did. However, when I feel I am playing at my best I feel I would probably flat call and evaluate post flop during the early stages (10-20, 15-30). Obviously we need to be winning quite a decent percentage of the time if we are all in preflop in a DYM and although it seems such an easy spot to get it all in, it is probablly mathematically quite thin in relation to profitability.
I suspect your skills and understanding of the game post flop would probably make flatting, re-evaluating on the flop, getting away from the hand if needs be, and outplaying the opponents with pot control in better spots more profitable.
I dunno, just another take on it. For someone without your skills and understanding of the game it is a very easy repop and get it in.
In this case, I knew the player - a very rare visitor to the O8 tables - was a real Alfred Any Four sort, so I knew pretty much he'd have a set of spanners.
This does not make it right or wrong of course, but the flop was something like K-9-2 - I can't ever get off aces on that flop, so the result would likely be the same. With, say, high only aces and a 2-3-7 flop, we are done with the hand, not another chip, but don't think we can get off a K-9-2 flop. He had 2-2-7-8 of course, so setted up.
Strewth alive.
No, not in the least tempted to go down the cash route. I do enjoy PLO & PLO8 cash, but prefer to play it "live".
Do you think the DYM traffic has been affected this month by Spinner Winner? Based on this month, I reckon I could make Prio every month if I so desired. (I don't). It's so easy to rack up points at NLH DYM's.
I may have heard it wrong, but a little birdie told me that a bunch of reprobates plan an assault on Vegas this year - you, Batesy, Dog Bloke & Magic Timmy. Yikes, that'd be some team. I plan to be in Vegas on my own account for all of June, so we might just hook up.
I have to say, one thing with this Prio thing & trying to re-learn NLH, the "senior" players have been very encouraging & supportive, good craic, too. Had some great bants with Magic Tim, (& Miss RaRa), Spanky, Reflex, Grumpy Bloke & many others. I have no interest in playing poker purely for money, it has to be fun, & those lads are top top blokes.*
* Except Magic Timmy.
Points earned so far in February - 9,377.
Points per day required to reach 10,000 by month end - 125 per day.
Profit/loss on Month to date - £33.17 loss.
It all went a pit Pete yesterday.
Took a few calculated gables. Calculated badly.
Run a bit nasty in a few crucial spots, but nothing really bad, just failed to win the flips that mattered & made a few mistakes.
Towards the end, I was in a hole, & a reasonable looking £30er was running. OK, let's gamble.
JMcCririck was clearly best not tangled with, but it was otherwise very playable, & I arrived 4 handed in decent shape. We could not bust anyone though - 5 all-ins amongst the other 3 all went to the "wrong" player, & soon is was shove time, with blinds at 300-600. I jammed with K-10 into Reflex, who just covered me, & he looked me up, quite reasonably, with 6-6. Flopped both my overs, happy days, he flopped his 6, not so happy days. I had to jam in that spot, as blinds were about to go 400-800, & I was in the BB next hand. No regrets, really. Well that's not true, of course I regret it, but you get my drift.
On we go.
I have to say, the late evening session - where I play the £10, £15 & £20 games, really revs me up - it's immensely exciting to "stretch" my nitty bankroll rules with bigger games & I enjoy it immensely.
Not kidding myself though, I need to improve my NLH game a good deal.
One £20 game was a bit odd.
2 of us - me & A N Other - had 5,000 chips each @ 200-400. We'd been playing strategically for several orbits.
The other big stack was to my immediate left, & I had walked him every time. Then I picked up K-K, so just min-raised, expecting him to take the hint & fold - & he jammed all-in.
I folded, obv, but it irritated me more than it should have. More with myself, I suppose, for even raising in the first place, but not the brightest play by him, either. Anyway, we got over the line safely in the end.
Oh yeah - & there was 1 £20 game where some roffler jammed 8-3 into my A-J & got there. Won't mention any names, but he's from Derby & famously grumpy. Marv.