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Can an old dog learn new tricks?

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    Very short session yesterday, as I was very fatigued, & could not focus properly, or concentrate. I was making a ton of mistakes, but variance being the fickle beast she is, I made a good profit, so it seemed sensible to draw stumps early, & get to bed.
     
    It's all going a bit wrong this month, despite a goodly profit so far. I need to get to 3,000 Reward Points, but things keep getting in the way. Monday, quite unexpectedly, I had to go out to that Awards thing, so that cost me 200 Reward Points.
     
    Tuesday I did the Show, so I planned a big session last night. And managed 8 games.....

    Doing the Show tonight, so that's another night missed. 

    It's all a bit frustrating, but with any luck, three big sessions on Friday, Saturday & Sunday will make up some of the leeway. The plan was to reach 1,000 Reward Points by Sunday, no chance of that now, but we'll see, maybe I can re-set the daily Target & find a way to get there.
     
  • chicknMeltchicknMelt Member Posts: 1,159
    edited March 2014
    It's so frustrating - I can't play poker because I'm on tv and getting awards.

    Hard life eh TK?

    :)
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,474
    edited March 2014
    Morning TK

    Just a thought whilst reading through your summaries:
    What would be more important to you?

    Hitting your Reward points target
    or
    Keeping your win rate above 60%

    Hope you're feeling better this morning.

    Oh and as for the beard, i have noticed they seem to becoming more fashionable recently.
    Lots of footballers have them and even guys in ads on TV's are sporting them.
    Setting the trends again sir !!

    Have a good show tonight.
    Regards
    Mick
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    It's so frustrating - I can't play poker because I'm on tv and getting awards. Hard life eh TK? :)
    Posted by chicknMelt
    Behave!

    I felt so weird last night. I was incredibly tired, so had an hours nap when I got home. Which became 3 hours.
     
    When I awoke, I felt groggy & nonplussed, & just wanted to go back to bed. I soon had 6 Tables on the go, but I was really struggling to focus properly, & felt totally out of sorts.
     
    I started my session, but was not "with it", & was making terrible mistakes galore. I threw one £5.50 away by sheer lack of concentration. I had Raised with a decent two way hand, & had double average. The other Big Stack, a perpetual Caller/station, then RE-RAISED me. He can ONLY do this with Aces. But I still got the lot in, & did 80% of my stack. An unforgiveable mistake, & I was livid with myself. It was a trivial fold, the simplest of folds.   

    Then I did an unforgiveable thing, a beginners error, & I think Vespa may have been in the same pot. (Post to follow).
     
    So I just decided to give up for the night.

    So I then watched a bit of TV to calm myself down & unwind, it was about an orphaned Elephant named Aisha, & the lady who looked after her, Daphne, this lady....


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Sheldrick

    How about that for a real-life hero?

    Anyway, she manages to save Aisha (the baby, orphaned elephant) from death, & he started to grow up & become a regular elephant. He was perfectly lovely. But then.....

    ....the elephant died.

    FFS, I ended up in floods of tears.

    I've not forgotten your earlier questions about optimal strategy (I may disagree, & side with Gelders actually...) or the question about NL Omaha. That's an interesting & intriguing one....

    Just a bit busy at the mo, what with this & that. Need to do tonight's Show thread, & I'm up to my neck still in UKPC & other stuff. I've no idea how I will die, (I actually think about that a lot these days) but it won't be from boredom, that's for sure.
     
    All good, except the bad. Why did Aisha have to die? It's all wrong.

      
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,474
    edited March 2014
    This is the hand that i made a mistake in (i think)?
    After i called the turn i realised i can only be splitting the low.
    Thoughts?
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    tikay1 Small blind   15.00 15.00 2235.00
    DEKSCAR531 Big blind   30.00 45.00 585.00
      Your hole cards
    • 8
    • A
    • 2
    • 5
         
    ACESHIGHAA Fold        
    VespaPX Raise   90.00 135.00 1880.00
    55013 Fold        
    gerardirl Fold        
    tikay1 Call   75.00 210.00 2160.00
    DEKSCAR531 Call   60.00 270.00 525.00
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • 4
    • K
         
    tikay1 Check        
    DEKSCAR531 Check        
    VespaPX Check        
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    tikay1 Bet   270.00 540.00 1890.00
    DEKSCAR531 All-in   525.00 1065.00 0.00
    VespaPX Call   525.00 1590.00 1355.00
    tikay1 Call   255.00 1845.00 1635.00
    River
       
    • K
         
    tikay1 All-in   1635.00 3480.00 0.00
    VespaPX Fold        
    tikay1 Unmatched bet   1635.00 1845.00 1635.00
    tikay1 Show
    • 2
    • A
    • 3
    • K
         
    DEKSCAR531 Show
    • 9
    • 5
    • A
    • Q
         
    tikay1 Win high Full House, Kings and 3s 922.50   2557.50
    tikay1 Win low 7-low 922.50   3480.00
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    That was the hand Mick, yes, but I thought I had made a bad mistake, but now I can see it again, in fact I played it OK. You never made a mistake, or not that I was aware of. (Well, now I can see the hand, yeah, you needed to fold the flop as you were on half at best, & doubtful even for that).

    The coup here is like this....

    When we are 3 way, & have a player all-in, & there is a dry side pot, we should NEVER force the other player with chips to fold IF there is a possible Low. So we should just check it down, even though I have the nut high Full House.

    By forcing the other guy with chips (you, in this case) to fold, we MAY allow the all-in player to hit his low, & get half the pot, & so survive. An unforgiveable crime.

    As it happens, I can now see I had nut-nut, so in this case, me betting, & forcing you out, was not so bad really, in fact, I think it is the correct play.
     
    See, I did not even know I was doing the correct thing, that's what a mess my bonce was in.   
      
  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,412
    edited March 2014
    Part of me wants to just shove the turn there. Being results orientated it's good that we got away!! But we have a LOT of potential high outs plus a few outs to give us the new nut low. We're almost never crushed unless villain has A256 with the NFD. (but that's just so unlikely even more so with us having a 5s which means he has to have 2 spades in the A26 combination)
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Part of me wants to just shove the turn there. Being results orientated it's good that we got away!! But we have a LOT of potential high outs plus a few outs to give us the new nut low. We're almost never crushed unless villain has A256 with the NFD. (but that's just so unlikely even more so with us having a 5s which means he has to have 2 spades in the A26 combination)
    Posted by F_Ivano
    vic
    Have to say, on the flop, I MUCH prefer his hand to mine. But I just run better, & got rescued by the Full House. ....;)

    Would have been horrible if I filled up with a spade, that woulda been a right cooler for Mick.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    Friday 7th March

    Played 43

    Won 29

    Lost 14

    Split....

    £3.30 - Played 25, Won 17, Lost 8

    £5.50 - Played 12, won 8 lost 4

    £11.00 - Played 6, won 4, Lost 2

    PROFIT/LOSS on Day
    £38.70

    PROFIT/LOSS per game £0.90


    REWARD POINTS = 195


    BANKROLL at close of Play = £1,268.30

    REWARD POINTS at close of play = 461 (= £4.61)
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    March to date........

    Played 99

    Won 65

    Lost 34

    Win-rate, January, 65.65%

    PROFIT/LOSS in March,
    £129.74

    Profit
    /Loss per game February =
    £1.31
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    A really strong set of numbers last night, felt completely in the zone, played well, & crucially, ran well.  

    Still have a problem with Reward Points though, been a very stop & start week, but 461 Reward Points by 7th March is not enough, & I need to try & crack on this weekend. Never seem to feel comfortable until I get to 2,000 Points, after which 3,000 seems relatively achievable.
     
    Plenty of games running last night, & the chat & banter ewas excellent, though one or two individuals - relative strangers - were running their mouth when they lost a hand. I suppose it was always so, some folks can't take a beat. Pretty sad, really.  
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    How do these things happen?

    I ran well all evening apart from Games 19-23 incl, where I lost 5 on the bounce, which included 2 @ £11, & so this dented the numbers badly, but that apart, everything went just as I'd wish, with a strong start & end, winning 11 of the first 15, & 15 of the last 18, so I can't complain at all.

    Even so, on the very last game, an £11er, I needed to win to lock up a £40 profit on the night, but only £20 if I lost, so I applied full concentration & focus.

    And it all went wrong......

    Early doors, two "call every hand" chaps BOTH doubled up by busting others, so we were 4 handed in Level 1.

    I had 1,900, Alexis the same, & the two Chippies both had about 4,000, so this was an awkward situation. 

    Neither of them would pass to any bet pre, so I had to keep one eye on Alexis, (doubtless doing the same to me), & see if I could outlast him.

    I could not find a spot, or a hand I was happy to go to war with, & just blinded down & down.....

    Eventually, I was down to about 600 @ 150-300, going 200-400 next hand, (or nearly so) which would be my BB. Ugh.
     
    And then the strangest thing happened - the two Big Stacks went to war!

    Raised pre, called, on the flop, Bet, 3 bet, re-raise, call. And one of them BUSTED.
     
    How on earth do these things happen? Why would they do that, knowing I had 1.5 Bigs?

    I run good.   
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    Saturday 8th March

    Played 35

    Won 24

    Lost 11

    Split....

    £3.30 - Played 23, Won 15, Lost 8

    £5.50 - Played 8, won 5 lost 3

    £11.00 - Played 4, won 4, Lost 0

    PROFIT/LOSS on Day
    £56.10

    PROFIT/LOSS per game £1.60


    REWARD POINTS = 149


    BANKROLL at close of Play = £1,324.40

    REWARD POINTS at close of play = 610 (= £6.10)
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    March to date........

    Played 134

    Won 89

    Lost 45

    Win-rate, January, 66.42%

    PROFIT/LOSS in March,
    £185.84

    Profit
    /Loss per game February =
    £1.38
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,583
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Saturday 8th March Played 35 Won 24 Lost 11 Split.... £3.30 - Played 23, Won 15, Lost 8 £5.50 - Played 8, won 5 lost 3 £11.00 - Played 4, won 4 , Lost 0 PROFIT / LOSS on Day £56.10 PROFIT/ LOSS per game £1.60 REWARD POINTS = 149 BANKROLL at close of Play = £1,324.40 REWARD POINTS at close of play = 610 (= £6.10)
    Posted by Tikay10
    I think I played 4 or 5 yesterday evening and won all of them! Nice to see that you crushed the tables and I luck boxed my way to some wins. In a way it compensated me for going out of the Primo within the first hour (I hate that). Was on a tough table made tougher by running queens on a J32 board into pocket 3s and then 66 on a J65 board into a backdoor flush (my exit hand).

    Hi lo was my saviour!! Some interesting chat too.

    Off to play some tennis now, have a good Sunday Tikay
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    Wow, proper heater this.

    We all try to play our best all the time, sometimes no matter what we do, we end up losing. but right now, I'm enjoying the mother of all heaters.

    I lost the very first game when my flopped nut flush ran into a flopped straight flush, ooh-er, but recovered to win 10 of the first 15 games, then 11 of the next 15, only blotting my copybook by losing 2 of the last 5. Played 4 @ £11 & won all 4. That's called run-good.
     
    Decided to end the session early - hit & run merchant, me - as the traffic, which had been amazingly high all evening, dropped to a trickle just after 10pm. These days, I don't play so good when I only have 2 or 3 Tables on the go, my concentration suffers, I've become an action junkie, so I decided to quit, & in the process, lock up a lovely profit.   
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : I think I played 4 or 5 yesterday evening and won all of them! Nice to see that you crushed the tables and I luck boxed my way to some wins. In a way it compensated me for going out of the Primo within the first hour (I hate that). Was on a tough table made tougher by running queens on a J32 board into pocket 3s and then 66 on a J65 board into a backdoor flush (my exit hand). Hi lo was my saviour!! Some interesting chat too. Off to play some tennis now, have a good Sunday Tikay
    Posted by Enut
    Well done Tuney, good to see you running a little better, you were due, I saw you had a torrid time a few nights back.

    Interesting chat? Err, yes, see next Post.

    Enjoy your Sunday, & your Tennis.  
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014

    A man of few words

    Geezer in one game played EVERY hand, & run up a huge stack very early, 5,000+, & we were 5 handed in Level One.

    He was showing up with a really interesting array of eclectic starting hands, this was "range-balancing" hardcore.
     
    Suddenly, he loses a hand, & immediately types in the chat box.

    donk

    "Tom", who takes his beats like a good 'un, a really splendid chap, never moans or groans, was the recipitent of the chips. 

    I was always ahead though, pre flop, flop, turn & river.

    donk

    A few hands later, Tom flops a monster draw, & gets there.

    donk

    I had nut low draw, nut flush draw, straight draw, & top two

    donk

    A few hands later the 2 of them get the lot in, Tom has a lovely 2 way hand & flops the world. 

    donk

    But I had everything mate, could never fold.

    donk 

    Our man busted a few hands later, getting it all-in pre with the rustiest spanners you ever saw.

    Silence in chat box. Total silence.
     
    Moments later, all 4 players type the exact same thing in the chat box.

    donk

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 172,247
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?:
    Morning TK Just a thought whilst reading through your summaries: What would be more important to you? Hitting your Reward points target or Keeping your win rate above 60% Hope you're feeling better this morning. Oh and as for the beard, i have noticed they seem to becoming more fashionable recently. Lots of footballers have them and even guys in ads on TV's are sporting them. Setting the trends again sir !! Have a good show tonight. Regards Mick
    Posted by VespaPX
    That is a great point, Mick.
     
    Logically, trying to keep the win-rate north of 50% ought to be the only target, but I seem to be equally fixated by the Reward Points thing.

    The thing is, all things being equal, I can just about make 3,000 Reward Points on a regular month, & that is worth £45 to me. Based on the starting 'roll of £200, £45 is a lot of money.
     
    In truth, of course, it is only £15 extra really, compared to, say, 2,950 Reward Points.
     
    Bit silly really, but having targets really helps me. Carrot & donkey, I suppose.  
     
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