also should mention that there are 3x £1.10 buy in hi/lo tourneys every day at 2.50 ,7.50,9.20pm usually there is about 20 to 30 runners in the earlier 2 so 1st place is £10 plus most times and these are a good way of learning as you play ..the 9.20 game has fewer players usually about 10 most of the time less than that.
there is also a couple of 3.30 tournaments as well 12.25 , 4.25 and another at 1025pm (or about those times)not as many play these compared too the £1.10
and finally there is the £100gtd £5.50 buy in at 8.25 pm usually between 20-30 runners
gl at the tables......tikay can you ask sky about this please?????
I think I did fold AAxx as i was a big chipleader and there was an away player, I also binned a middling connecyibg hand think it was 679T which I figured might be great in regular Omaha but not much to write home about when the blinds are high in a hi-lo dym Dont know how you play this live tikay, id have been lost without the hand info under the flop. Have you got two brains? Posted by TeddyBloat
Hands like 6-7-9-T should ALWAYS go straight in the muck, pre-flop, (ordinarily, assuming no weird stack dynamics), when playing PLO8.
7, 8 & 9 are known as "Killer Cards" in PLO8, they kill your hand, they only make bad low OR High hands, & you can almost never have "nut-nut" with such cards. Remember, we ONLY want "scoop" hands, or hands which at least make a nut at either end. Almost impossible with such cards as 7-7-8-9.
Just guessing, I'll have a look tonight, but I doubt any hand in the Top 500 PLO8 hands contains more than one 7, 8 or 9.
OK, we'd probably play A-A-7-8 & the like sometimes, but even that is a really bad hand to go to war with.
Two brains? Me? I'm struggling with the one I have these days, mine is only half what iy used to be. It's just something you just learn with time. Keeps you interested, too, as some of the decisions are quite complex.
Hand 1 - I think you basically got lucky that no-one had anything worthwhile as a Low that they could chase post-flop and it was a rainbow board. Your bet did the job. Hand 2 - There is no Low as there isn't three different A-8 cards on the board. The board looks pretty dry until that pair up on the river, but that also gives you a made hand. I think I'd probably go with your line here, but be kicking myself if somebody has hit the house on the river. Hand 3 - The double paired board does mean there are loads of potential full houses out there. so I would assume that by the river, the Ace flush is probably no good. However, you have the Low nuts, and with three people playing, even if you get "quartered" you're still not too far off breaking even. If it was heads up I think it would be a fold considering how few chips you've already put in to the pot, but three way I can see the benefits of calling. Posted by FCHD
Highlighted the response to hand 3 here because of some of the idiosynchrosies of playing PLO8. Firstly when folded it was only single paired, the second didnt arrive until the river. But a double paired board in omaha is actually less likely to yield a house than in NLHE. In normal holdem you would only need to hit one card to make the house here but in omaha you still will have had to hit this board twice in order to have the big hand. As far as the Lo is concerned i believe that you should have continued because as was rightly said 3 way it is massive, if it had gone headsup then i would be folding very quickly because you would only be calling to get you chips back at best
Ok I dont understand why its better to call here 3 way. Excuse the ignorance. Id have thougt that heads up id be more likely to be grabbing at least the the lo pot, if its three-way theres more chance of being up against a house for the high and more chance that another A2 will be splitting the low with me.especially given the action. Is it because collecting the low pot three way is profitable as opposed to break even heads up?
Ok I dont understand why its better to call here 3 way. Excuse the ignorance. Id have thougt that heads up id be more likely to be grabbing at least the the lo pot, if its three-way theres more chance of being up against a house for the high and more chance that another A2 will be splitting the low with me.especially given the action. Is it because collecting the low pot three way is profitable as opposed to break even heads up? Posted by TeddyBloat
Ok when you consider ranges of the opponents on the board into effect then you are looking at most likely halving or quartering the pot whether HU or 3 way.
So for the maths side.
HU Put in 50% of pot to win either 25% or 50%. 3Way. Put in 33% of pot to win either 25% or 50%.
So this means that HU it is always a losing play to be playing nut Lo only, or break even at best. Yet 3 way it is either small loss or slightly bigger win to play it. Lo only hands play really well multiway but really poorly HU
In Response to Re: Cheap as Chips! New affordable PLO8 DYM's now in the Lobby. : Ok when you consider ranges of the opponents on the board into effect then you are looking at most likely halving or quartering the pot whether HU or 3 way. So for the maths side. HU Put in 50% of pot to win either 25% or 50%. 3Way. Put in 33% of pot to win either 25% or 50%. So this means that HU it is always a losing play to be playing nut Lo only, or break even at best. Yet 3 way it is either small loss or slightly bigger win to play it. Lo only hands play really well multiway but really poorly HU Posted by Talon
Beautifully explained, & it also shows the wonderful complexities & nuances in this wonderful game.
Great stuff Tikay.I love hi lo.Let's face it how can anyone not love a game where you can flop a royal flush and still only split the pot lol. Posted by jjjach
True!
Quite often, we get it in with Aces, & get beaten for the high by some bag of spanners that hits 2 pairs, but we hit our "Emergency Low" (A-8 or whatever) & get the Low Pot. A mixture of disappointment & relief, we lost but we never lost.
Or we have Aces, & our danglers win the pot by hitting 2 pair. Ooohhh.
I have searched but cant find a Post on the Community somewhere, where a chap asked a few days ago if the same cards could be used for BOTH Pots in PLO8.
The answer is "yes".
Think of it this way. We are playing two seperate games, with two seperate pots. Any 2 cards from our 4 can be used in either pot, we can use the same 2 twice, or a different two, or any combo.
For example, if we have a hand that includes A-2 of hearts, & the board runs out 4h-5s-7h-Kh-Qc, we use the A-2 of hearts in our hand to claim BOTH pots.
If you are unsure what is the best hand, there is an Option which shows the hand description for your two hands on the Table, it will say, for example, "Ace High Straight", & "No Low". Only youi can see this. It is very useful for those learning the game.
In Response to Re: Cheap as Chips! New affordable PLO8 DYM's now in the Lobby. : Hi Dimitrios/Jim. See, I read your explanation. I'll try & answer that shortly, also your other question, I just need to do some other bits & bobs first. Posted by Tikay10
I prefer DimTzar. Sounds more cool. :P
You haven't replied to my question on my new player thread though. Yellow card!
In Response to Re: Cheap as Chips! New affordable PLO8 DYM's now in the Lobby. : I prefer DimTzar. Sounds more cool. :P You haven't replied to my question on my new player thread though. Yellow card! Looking forward to your reply. Posted by DimTzar
No - not yet DimTzar!
But I will, later this morning. It won't be an interesting reply though, as I am a fairly odd individual with a very eclectic range of habits.
I have searched but cant find a Post on the Community somewhere, where a chap asked a few days ago if the same cards could be used for BOTH Pots in PLO8. The answer is "yes". Think of it this way. We are playing two seperate games, with two seperate pots. Any 2 cards from our 4 can be used in either pot, we can use the same 2 twice, or a different two, or any combo. For example, if we have a hand that includes A-2 of hearts, & the board runs out 4h-5s-7h-Kh-Qc, we use the A-2 of hearts in our hand to claim BOTH pots. If you are unsure what is the best hand, there is an Option which shows the hand description for your two hands on the Table, it will say, for example, "Ace High Straight", & "No Low". Only youi can see this. It is very useful for those learning the game. Posted by Tikay10
THat was TeddyBloat , His Q was.. "do we have to use a different set of 2 cards for the high and low element of the pot?" Duly answered.
Aslo, great to see Omaha in the ascendancy!! Only had time for a couple of games this week so far.. One £5.50 DYM where I managed with some skill to wrench defeat from the jaws of certain victory had I the discipline to just fold, fold, fold!!! In fact, I prob could/should have gone to bed! LUCKY for me there were no £11 hobbies running..... BUT I some real purty hands your honour!!!
Re the second bit in bold, could I ask that in the next update of software that this be changed so that the BEST hand from all the players is shown?? ;-)
Start with patience. Play tight in the first 4 or 5 levels
Limping is OK (and often the best play) early in a DYM/MTT
Forget most of what you learned about Hold'em - it's a completely different game
Don't get attached to one pair or a set. Chances are slim that these will hold up to be the winning high hand
Start off playing hands that have a chance to win both pots. If you only win one out of the two pots available you're not making chips
Recognise when ther won't be a low hand and that the high hand will take the lot
Realise that a lot (and I mean a lot) of the pots will be chopped
Beware playing A2 with the low pot in mind, someone else could be doing the same thing and you will end up with only half of the low pot
Don't get tilted that someone outdraws you, even if they have a completely rubbish hand to start with. Omaha (in all its variants) is a drawing game, and in the long run you will make as many cruel outdraws as others do to you.
If you're dealt quads pre-flop, muck them. You're effectively playing one pair with no chance to improve to a set, a straight or a flush, and you can't make a low hand.
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there is also a couple of 3.30 tournaments as well 12.25 , 4.25 and another at 1025pm (or about those times)not as many play these compared too the £1.10
and finally there is the £100gtd £5.50 buy in at 8.25 pm usually between 20-30 runners
gl at the tables......tikay can you ask sky about this please?????
https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3a3e58dba3-40f2-494c-9832-8812694e9fe6Discussion%3af4d2a75a-2e02-4ab7-8ffd-e00eb0dc8e7b
7, 8 & 9 are known as "Killer Cards" in PLO8, they kill your hand, they only make bad low OR High hands, & you can almost never have "nut-nut" with such cards. Remember, we ONLY want "scoop" hands, or hands which at least make a nut at either end. Almost impossible with such cards as 7-7-8-9.
Just guessing, I'll have a look tonight, but I doubt any hand in the Top 500 PLO8 hands contains more than one 7, 8 or 9.
OK, we'd probably play A-A-7-8 & the like sometimes, but even that is a really bad hand to go to war with.
Two brains? Me? I'm struggling with the one I have these days, mine is only half what iy used to be. It's just something you just learn with time. Keeps you interested, too, as some of the decisions are quite complex.
Ok when you consider ranges of the opponents on the board into effect then you are looking at most likely halving or quartering the pot whether HU or 3 way.
So for the maths side.
HU Put in 50% of pot to win either 25% or 50%.
3Way. Put in 33% of pot to win either 25% or 50%.
So this means that HU it is always a losing play to be playing nut Lo only, or break even at best. Yet 3 way it is either small loss or slightly bigger win to play it. Lo only hands play really well multiway but really poorly HU
Quite often, we get it in with Aces, & get beaten for the high by some bag of spanners that hits 2 pairs, but we hit our "Emergency Low" (A-8 or whatever) & get the Low Pot. A mixture of disappointment & relief, we lost but we never lost.
Or we have Aces, & our danglers win the pot by hitting 2 pair. Ooohhh.
I have searched but cant find a Post on the Community somewhere, where a chap asked a few days ago if the same cards could be used for BOTH Pots in PLO8.
The answer is "yes".
Think of it this way. We are playing two seperate games, with two seperate pots. Any 2 cards from our 4 can be used in either pot, we can use the same 2 twice, or a different two, or any combo.
For example, if we have a hand that includes A-2 of hearts, & the board runs out 4h-5s-7h-Kh-Qc, we use the A-2 of hearts in our hand to claim BOTH pots.
If you are unsure what is the best hand, there is an Option which shows the hand description for your two hands on the Table, it will say, for example, "Ace High Straight", & "No Low". Only youi can see this. It is very useful for those learning the game.
I'll try & answer that shortly, also your other question, I just need to do some other bits & bobs first.
But I will, later this morning. It won't be an interesting reply though, as I am a fairly odd individual with a very eclectic range of habits.
Plenty
Start with patience. Play tight in the first 4 or 5 levels
Limping is OK (and often the best play) early in a DYM/MTT
Forget most of what you learned about Hold'em - it's a completely different game
Don't get attached to one pair or a set. Chances are slim that these will hold up to be the winning high hand
Start off playing hands that have a chance to win both pots. If you only win one out of the two pots available you're not making chips
Recognise when ther won't be a low hand and that the high hand will take the lot
Realise that a lot (and I mean a lot) of the pots will be chopped
Beware playing A2 with the low pot in mind, someone else could be doing the same thing and you will end up with only half of the low pot
Don't get tilted that someone outdraws you, even if they have a completely rubbish hand to start with. Omaha (in all its variants) is a drawing game, and in the long run you will make as many cruel outdraws as others do to you.
If you're dealt quads pre-flop, muck them. You're effectively playing one pair with no chance to improve to a set, a straight or a flush, and you can't make a low hand.
That'll do for starters....