1) AAxx is not the nuts. Needs to be played with caution.
2) A2xx is not the nuts. Unless you have a good chance of winning the Hi then it should be binned
3) Never ever call big bets in a HU pot chasing a Lo draw only. You are just calling hoping to get lucky and thereby get your chips back.
4) Hand priority order
Hi hand Scoop Lo hand.
There is always a Hi and you should be looking to win that. When a Lo is available then you need to be looking to scoop that is win Hi and Lo. Lo only is only splitting at best.
5) Be careful of having outs in your hand and dead. That is 3 or 4 of a kind or of a suit.
6) Always be aware that the board changes with every card that comes down and at any stage you only have the temporary nuts.
great to have a low stakes buy in for these, hopefully it will encourage lots more players to plo8.
Thanks Tikay, I know we have been asking for a long while. Nice to see the suits have eventually taken notice. Would a £3.30 DYM be too much to ask for?
In Response to Re: Cheap as Chips! New affordable PLO8 DYM's now in the Lobby. : Beware drawing to a low hand with only 2 low cards in your hand, as one of them may get counterfeited by appearing on the board. You would then need four different low cards on the board to obtain a valid low hand. eg: hold cards A 2 9 Q Flop 2 10 4 Your 2 has been counterfeited and you would need runner runner non pairing low cards to achieve a valid low hand. Posted by 67Bhoys
Hey it's great that you guys are giving some great advice to the new players, especially Talon and 67Bhoys . . but I hope you don't end up being beaten by the people you have taught so well, lol.
In Response to Re: Cheap as Chips! New affordable PLO8 DYM's now in the Lobby. : Hey it's great that you guys are giving some great advice to the new players, especially Talon and 67Bhoys . . but I hope you don't end up being beaten by the people you have taught so well, lol. Posted by JimRiddle7
My advice comes in 2 parts really. Firstly i have the mentality that loves the fact that the knowledge has been passed on. If it means that someone becomes better than me then it would make me happy. Secondly by giving the advice i am thinking about the game myself which can only be of help to me as well
In Response to Re: Cheap as Chips! New affordable PLO8 DYM's now in the Lobby. : My advice comes in 2 parts really. Firstly i have the mentality that loves the fact that the knowledge has been passed on. If it means that someone becomes better than me then it would make me happy. Secondly by giving the advice i am thinking about the game myself which can only be of help to me as well Posted by Talon
I love that mentality, & it definitely has a feel-good factor about it.
Fancy living in a world where we refused to help each other, or share our knowelerdge, it'd be dreadful.
Hello Guy`s , Just browsing this thread and it`s Great reading!! One KEY piece of Advice I can give in any Omaha hi-lo game is.... Always remember that lo is the Master and more often than not with correct play we can further enhance our hands with the follow up Turn and river to claim both pots. The game is really a fine Art and balance concerning the lo hand . We can manipulate the play to our advantage and even push away winning marginal high hands to reap the full rewards of the pot. The more players in a pot the less likely you will win . Betting pre-flop ( hold cards acceptable ) can drive players away and may be a strategy you really should consider once you are established with your own ability. One word of Warning!!! not all player will buckle , The magician never divulges his full recipe So you must Always be vigilant . Play the micros till you are comfortable with your own game ,Watch other tables and players and note how when and where they win most pots. Strategically this game rather reminds me of a game of chess is someway. You will surely have your highs and lows invariably ...So try to never EVER lose your discipline. One final pointer.........Enjoy this fine game & Good Luck!!! Best Regards, Posted by footsie66
Oooh, happy days, & welcome to the thread Mr Footsie.
For those not in the loop.......
I believe Mr Footsie mainly plays HU PLO8 SNG's, but in the last 3 or 4 days, has played every £11 PLO8 DYM which has run, along with myself.
More than any player I have seen in these, he understands the crucial stack dynamics when 4 handed, especially when there is one shortie, as there often is. Simply, the 3 big stacks don't (or should not) tangle, & even give "walks" from the SB with decent hands, as it is all about the shortie, & there is no point the big stacks clashing. There is never any spoken suggestion to target the shortie, but thats how it works. Remarkably, very few players seem to understand this. And as I am often the shortie, I am rather pleased about this, when I'm sat there with 2 Bigs & two Big Stacks go to war, I'm loving life.
I'm not going to "expose" his game style, but he is far & away the best player I've seen in these PLO8 DYM's. It does not worry, or scare me, as I have my own style, but this guy knows exactly what is what.
He's also been partly responsible for the surge in £11 PLO8 DYM's the last few days - no less than thirteen ran yesterday, a record for this Format on Sky Poker by a very long way, I'd say, it used to be the case that only 1 or 2 per day ran.
He has asked for some £22 ones to go in the Lobby, & I've sent that suggestion upstairs, though I think it unlikely they'll agree, but we'll see, you never know.
We got chatting on the table - awkward & truncated, with 3 or 4 tables popping up - but it seems we may have met in real life, as he used to play the Live games up at Stanley Newcastle back in the day, as I did, too, & it seems we have numerous acquaintances in common, including Steve Liu, the incredibly crazy Latif, (official), James Browning, & The Great Man himself, Eric Barker, now no longer with us accordng to some sources.
There is a story about Eric which is the greatest poker story ever, but that'll have to wait until another day. Eric was also in the Final at Luton (3rd) in which Thewy made his first big "breakthrough" win in around 2004, for £48,000 as I recall. Eric was - or is - one of the great characters & friends I've ever met through poker, & his game was ultra aggro, way before that became fashionable.
There used to be "Poker Festivals" regularly (think UKPC), & they had one at Gala Teeside in around 2003. Eric won all three Events, on consecutive nights, & never done "business" in any of them. I doubt anyone else has ever achieved that.
Anyway, welcome aboard Footsie.
And he's right that PLO8 is like a game of chess. The hands we play, & cards we are dealt, are less than half the battle in DYM's, it's so much about stack dynamics, & awareness of what others are doing when 4 handed. 5 & 6 handed, with the Blinds small, is of no real interest, it's all about 4 handed play. It's a sin to bust before we get 4 handed in these things, unless super-coolered, really.
I mucked a set of aces on the flop v him yesterday, as he & I both had big stacks, & there was a shortie. It hurt a bit, but is absolutely the correct play. He had "made up" in the SB, very unusually for him at big Blinds, & I was in the Big with bad Aces. It just made no sense to go to war, so I folded. I'm pretty sure he'd do the same in those circumstances.
Can't be many instances where folding a set of Aces on a dry flop is correct, but this was. (Flop was A-9-5, rainbow). Why go to war when we don't need to?
Couple more pointers for you. 1) AAxx is not the nuts. Needs to be played with caution. 2) A2xx is not the nuts. Unless you have a good chance of winning the Hi then it should be binned 3) Never ever call big bets in a HU pot chasing a Lo draw only. You are just calling hoping to get lucky and thereby get your chips back. 4) Hand priority order Hi hand Scoop Lo hand. There is always a Hi and you should be looking to win that. When a Lo is available then you need to be looking to scoop that is win Hi and Lo. Lo only is only splitting at best. 5) Be careful of having outs in your hand and dead. That is 3 or 4 of a kind or of a suit. 6) Always be aware that the board changes with every card that comes down and at any stage you only have the temporary nuts. Posted by Talon
hi Talon,
this was my understanding of to scoop, but Tikay uses it to mean the whole pot, whether hi & lo, or hi only.
In Response to Re: Cheap as Chips! New affordable PLO8 DYM's now in the Lobby. : hi Talon, this was my understanding of to scoop, but Tikay uses it to mean the whole pot, whether hi & lo, or hi only. just wondering your thoughts on that Posted by GELDY
Just different terminology really. For me personally if you win the pot with only the Hi then you just win. Could be considered a scoop i suppose but that is the way i see it.
The only difference is the way it is referred not the result itself so you could argue a case for saying it either way
particlarly unsure about what to do on the turn, i have the lo sewn up, is it ok to push here? obv very lucky to hit the flush on a paired board. felt like i was clicking buttons here. also why is my hand a 6 lo? shouldn't it be A2357? apols to talon who bubbled due to this ineptitude.
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Couple more pointers for you.
1) AAxx is not the nuts. Needs to be played with caution.
2) A2xx is not the nuts. Unless you have a good chance of winning the Hi then it should be binned
3) Never ever call big bets in a HU pot chasing a Lo draw only. You are just calling hoping to get lucky and thereby get your chips back.
4) Hand priority order
Hi hand
Scoop
Lo hand.
There is always a Hi and you should be looking to win that. When a Lo is available then you need to be looking to scoop that is win Hi and Lo. Lo only is only splitting at best.
5) Be careful of having outs in your hand and dead. That is 3 or 4 of a kind or of a suit.
6) Always be aware that the board changes with every card that comes down and at any stage you only have the temporary nuts.
A dangler is a card that doesnt work with the rest of your cards.
A good example As Ks Kd 9h
The 9 is the dangler because it is on its own and doesnt not go with the other cards to make any sort of draw.
Thanks Tikay, I know we have been asking for a long while. Nice to see the suits have eventually taken notice. Would a £3.30 DYM be too much to ask for?
You would then need four different low cards on the board to obtain a valid low hand.
eg: hold cards A 2 9 Q
Flop 2 10 4
Your 2 has been counterfeited and you would need runner runner non pairing low cards to achieve a valid low hand.
Fancy living in a world where we refused to help each other, or share our knowelerdge, it'd be dreadful.
For those not in the loop.......
I believe Mr Footsie mainly plays HU PLO8 SNG's, but in the last 3 or 4 days, has played every £11 PLO8 DYM which has run, along with myself.
More than any player I have seen in these, he understands the crucial stack dynamics when 4 handed, especially when there is one shortie, as there often is. Simply, the 3 big stacks don't (or should not) tangle, & even give "walks" from the SB with decent hands, as it is all about the shortie, & there is no point the big stacks clashing. There is never any spoken suggestion to target the shortie, but thats how it works. Remarkably, very few players seem to understand this. And as I am often the shortie, I am rather pleased about this, when I'm sat there with 2 Bigs & two Big Stacks go to war, I'm loving life.
I'm not going to "expose" his game style, but he is far & away the best player I've seen in these PLO8 DYM's. It does not worry, or scare me, as I have my own style, but this guy knows exactly what is what.
He's also been partly responsible for the surge in £11 PLO8 DYM's the last few days - no less than thirteen ran yesterday, a record for this Format on Sky Poker by a very long way, I'd say, it used to be the case that only 1 or 2 per day ran.
He has asked for some £22 ones to go in the Lobby, & I've sent that suggestion upstairs, though I think it unlikely they'll agree, but we'll see, you never know.
We got chatting on the table - awkward & truncated, with 3 or 4 tables popping up - but it seems we may have met in real life, as he used to play the Live games up at Stanley Newcastle back in the day, as I did, too, & it seems we have numerous acquaintances in common, including Steve Liu, the incredibly crazy Latif, (official), James Browning, & The Great Man himself, Eric Barker, now no longer with us accordng to some sources.
There is a story about Eric which is the greatest poker story ever, but that'll have to wait until another day. Eric was also in the Final at Luton (3rd) in which Thewy made his first big "breakthrough" win in around 2004, for £48,000 as I recall. Eric was - or is - one of the great characters & friends I've ever met through poker, & his game was ultra aggro, way before that became fashionable.
There used to be "Poker Festivals" regularly (think UKPC), & they had one at Gala Teeside in around 2003. Eric won all three Events, on consecutive nights, & never done "business" in any of them. I doubt anyone else has ever achieved that.
Anyway, welcome aboard Footsie.
And he's right that PLO8 is like a game of chess. The hands we play, & cards we are dealt, are less than half the battle in DYM's, it's so much about stack dynamics, & awareness of what others are doing when 4 handed. 5 & 6 handed, with the Blinds small, is of no real interest, it's all about 4 handed play. It's a sin to bust before we get 4 handed in these things, unless super-coolered, really.
Mr Footsie footnote.
I mucked a set of aces on the flop v him yesterday, as he & I both had big stacks, & there was a shortie. It hurt a bit, but is absolutely the correct play. He had "made up" in the SB, very unusually for him at big Blinds, & I was in the Big with bad Aces. It just made no sense to go to war, so I folded. I'm pretty sure he'd do the same in those circumstances.
Can't be many instances where folding a set of Aces on a dry flop is correct, but this was. (Flop was A-9-5, rainbow). Why go to war when we don't need to?
The only difference is the way it is referred not the result itself so you could argue a case for saying it either way
the one difference i see with hi lo is if holding the nut low you can use it as a great chance to bluff the river when the high part is weak.
particlarly unsure about what to do on the turn, i have the lo sewn up, is it ok to push here? obv very lucky to hit the flush on a paired board. felt like i was clicking buttons here. also why is my hand a 6 lo? shouldn't it be A2357? apols to talon who bubbled due to this ineptitude.
Personally i like the way you played it with the nut Lo and the draws in place. So no issues with your play at all.
As far as the Lo is concerned. The river card was a 2 which menas you can no longer play the 2 in your hand
So you Had A2357 but when the 2 hit you had to play the A6 which gave you A2356