blimmey what a grind tonight played a lot of dym and multi tabled 4 at a time, ran into sets sooooo many times it was rediculous also pk Qs im just folding as every time was in with them they had pk Ks. Did enjoy multi tabling though and would like to do around 6 but laptop screen to small will have to get the monitor out or do it on me telly, feel like im getting more bang for my buck with multiway on dym and is only way to do it. Up 10 games tonight, was more! sit n goes a nightmare again also no luck on mtt and broke even tonight.
Played 12 £5.50s Thursday W 7 L 5 Bankroll was £136.52 Then had a great session tonight, obviously ran well here: Played 32 £5.50s W 24 L 8 Bankroll- £205.02 Feeling quite good about the bankroll now, touch wood I will be able to move upto the £11s sometime soon. Posted by JohnConnor
the maths don't add up, you must have won one more game to get to that total.
I think it was earlier in this thread that you quoted from sit and go strategy by Colin Moshman, I purchased this book the other day, and it has since transformed my play for the better. I would like to ask you, have you had any success playing regular SnGs?
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : the maths don't add up, you must have won one more game to get to that total. glad to help you out in one of those games. Posted by achill
Hi achill, thanks for that. There will be times when the numbers won't add up, I've noticed that myself but have just started to post them anyway. It's because I just keep a tally chart as I'm playing. I find it easy enough to calculate profit (eg for £5.50s: £4.50 x no. of games you've won more than you lost - £1 x no. of wins matched by losses) but I struggle to work out the number of wins/losses from the actual profit only. If anyone knows a quick and easy way to do this I would be interested...
Sounds like things are going well JC!! I think it was earlier in this thread that you quoted from sit and go strategy by Colin Moshman, I purchased this book the other day, and it has since transformed my play for the better. I would like to ask you, have you had any success playing regular SnGs? Posted by stretch83
Hi stretch, thanks. That's a great book, that. I can't say I've had any success playing regular SnGs, to be honest, no. I can't remember my stats from the ones I played when I tried them for about 3 weeks, but if I load up my old laptop I'll look them up and post again here. I think I made a profit in the $6.50s across a sample of just a few hundred games and lost a little in the $16.00s. I really enjoy them to be honest and quite enjoyed 'stacking' tables. Playing DYMs I do miss playing for 1st place. Ultimately I prefer Sky, though, and didn't last long on that site despite it being excellent and the software tools available excellent as well.
Hey JC, I was hoping my luck might have turned around from that last horrendous session after a few days off. Thought I'd give the DTD a go for a little change, I played 3 hands and I'm out of the first 2 tourneys lol.
Hand 1 - one guy shoves the turn and I call wih 2pr cos theres no way he shoves with better than my hand on that board, he has QQ so I'm ahead and then rivers the Q.
Hand 2 - I've got KK and walk into a guy whose flopped 2pair cos he wouldnt let go of Q8 to my raise pre. That took a few chips off me.
Hand 3 - Left with about 2.8k from the KK hand. I get QQ, someone opens with 3x raise, someone 3bets, I shove and get called by AA lol, I even flop the Q but he rivered the straight...
Sorry it's taken me a while to comment on this one MP33, I haven't been online that much in the last few days.
Here are my thoughts about it. I wouldn't be shoving pre, I don't think the stack sizes or the situation are right for that and it appears the risk/reward is not good enough. So I would mostly lean towards folding. However, I don't hate a call and would make this play myself sometimes, particularly if the game is not progressing. You're getting 3 to 1 in a fairly easy spot, either flop a set or get out.
However, the poker gods decided to test you with a flop, very unlucky really. That being said, though, what I said above about flopping a set or getting out still rings mostly true and I'm sure it was in your head pre-flop too. As such my overriding objective when that flop comes is to play a small pot. I'm putting in 300 more chips max if I don't improve (or slightly more if he min bets flop and turn then makes a small bet on the river - which he can't really do from his stack anyway). Ideally my opponent will min-bet (or check!) the flop and turn, which happens surprisingly often in these spots late on. If he half pots the flop, I think I find one call, looking to turn my straight or my set (my set is good since I can never put him on a 3 here) and knowing that he will also give up on the turn sometimes aswell. If he bets 3/4 pot on the flop I fold. 3/4 pot is a big bet in itself, it's a huge part of his stack, and it indicates that he's going all the way with the hand. Those 3 factors point to strength that the 66 can't match. So yeah, I'm definately not leading for 3/4 pot, I'm not leading at all but if I was I would make it half pot. Then I think you have to fold to the click back from that stack, that indicates huge strength.
All in all it is a tough spot and you got unlucky. But such a tough spot becomes much, much easier if your thinking when you see the flop changes. If you adopt a tight DYM mindset then this becomes a clear spot to play a small pot, not a large one.
Hey JC, I was hoping my luck might have turned around from that last horrendous session after a few days off. Thought I'd give the DTD a go for a little change, I played 3 hands and I'm out of the first 2 tourneys lol. Hand 1 - one guy shoves the turn and I call wih 2pr cos theres no way he shoves with better than my hand on that board, he has QQ so I'm ahead and then rivers the Q. Hand 2 - I've got KK and walk into a guy whose flopped 2pair cos he wouldnt let go of Q8 to my raise pre. That took a few chips off me. Hand 3 - Left with about 2.8k from the KK hand. I get QQ, someone opens with 3x raise, someone 3bets, I shove and get called by AA lol, I even flop the Q but he rivered the straight... I hope this ends soon. Posted by Lambert180
Hi Lambert, I feel your pain mate, ouch. It will end soon mate it has to surely. Just hang in there and keep playing properly and you will have to get rewarded. Run better if you fire up any DYMs tonight...
I have read the whole thread in an hour and something...17 pages...WoW.
IMO it's one of the best threads in the forum. I am new here at Sky. I read JC blog 3 weeks ago I think, and today the thread came in the first places of my unread posts due to Lambert's post. Just a blessing.
I have to say many congrats to JC for the blog. I think it's one of the most helpful ones and that be seen by how many players follow this thread.
I might begin my own challenge soon, but I don't want to play against the thread's regs. :-)
Anyway I hope every single one of you reach his goal soon and enjoy his time playing.
Good luck to everyone, keep up the good work and keep posting.
im 16 up so far should be over 20 but was drunk one night lol and not played many last couple of days so gonna get back onto it kinda using it to pay for sit n go buy ins if i lose back to dym's and get back up to level or more but really enjoying this and you have spured me on JC. Ive certainly improved already and learning a few new tricks here and there, i def also wanna break the 50 in a row record as in the other thread but thats a pipe dream but something to aim for lol.
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Hi achill, thanks for that. There will be times when the numbers won't add up, I've noticed that myself but have just started to post them anyway. It's because I just keep a tally chart as I'm playing. I find it easy enough to calculate profit (eg for £5.50s: £4.50 x no. of games you've won more than you lost - £1 x no. of wins matched by losses) but I struggle to work out the number of wins/losses from the actual profit only. If anyone knows a quick and easy way to do this I would be interested... Posted by JohnConnor
I think this would be the only way to work it out, it prob won't save any time lol.
You would need to know:
Your start BR, Your end BR, Total # of games played, Stake, Return
£100 £111.50 27 £5.50 £10
(Example figures above)
This will not work if you change buyins mid-session.
1) Multiply the buyin by the total number of games played. £5.50 x 27 = £148.50
2) Either add on your profit, or subtract your loss for the day £148.50 + £11.50 = £160
3) Then Divide this the return at your level £160/£10 = 16
That gives you how many games you have won which is 16/27 for this scenario.
So you would still need to record how many games you have played.
I have read the whole thread in an hour and something...17 pages...WoW. IMO it's one of the best threads in the forum. I am new here at Sky. I read JC blog 3 weeks ago I think, and today the thread came in the first places of my unread posts due to Lambert's post. Just a blessing. I have to say many congrats to JC for the blog. I think it's one of the most helpful ones and that be seen by how many players follow this thread. I might begin my own challenge soon, but I don't want to play against the thread's regs. :-) Anyway I hope every single one of you reach his goal soon and enjoy his time playing. Good luck to everyone, keep up the good work and keep posting. Posted by GreekWay
Hi GreekWay, welcome to Sky and many thanks for all your kind words. Good luck in any such challenge you attempt and please feel free to use this thread to provide updates. JC
im 16 up so far should be over 20 but was drunk one night lol and not played many last couple of days so gonna get back onto it kinda using it to pay for sit n go buy ins if i lose back to dym's and get back up to level or more but really enjoying this and you have spured me on JC. Ive certainly improved already and learning a few new tricks here and there, i def also wanna break the 50 in a row record as in the other thread but thats a pipe dream but something to aim for lol. so far dym 1.10 hu -2 3.30 hu -1 5.50dym +9 -4 2.25dym+25 -19 3.30dym+39 -30 1.10dym-1 130played 73 won 57 lost +16 Posted by Dazler
Great to see you're enjoying your poker at the moment Dazler, and also making some nice progress as well. That is a great target too mate, may as well aim for the stars and see where you end up imo...
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : I think this would be the only way to work it out, it prob won't save any time lol. You would need to know: Your start BR, Your end BR, Total # of games played, Stake, Return £100 £111.50 27 £5.50 £10 (Example figures above) This will not work if you change buyins mid-session. 1) Multiply the buyin by the total number of games played. £5.50 x 27 = £148.50 2) Either add on your profit, or subtract your loss for the day £148.50 + £11.50 = £160 3) Then Divide this the return at your level £160/£10 = 16 That gives you how many games you have won which is 16/27 for this scenario. So you would still need to record how many games you have played. Posted by Poker_Fail
Thanks for that PF. The last part is where I may come unstuck but that's very helpful and appreciated nonetheless.
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Great to see you're enjoying your poker at the moment Dazler, and also making some nice progress as well. That is a great target too mate, may as well aim for the stars and see where you end up imo... Posted by JohnConnor
I am looking for a site to start my challenge because I think Sky has become a bit tough at DYM at the moment and also because I want to receive a new player's bonus. Do you have any site to recommend?
If you don't want to post because it's maybe going to be an ad to the site PM me please.
Remember my bad beats in the 7.15 DS and 7.45 DS last night in the DTD, well I ran a bit better in the TOT and came 2nd for just over £55 so that's cheered me up lol
That's pretty much covered my losses from that horrendous session of bad beats in DYMs
Hey JC, Remember my bad beats in the 7.15 DS and 7.45 DS last night in the DTD, well I ran a bit better in the TOT and came 2nd for just over £55 so that's cheered me up lol That's pretty much covered my losses from that horrendous session of bad beats in DYMs Posted by Lambert180
Wiiiiiiiiii, cracking score Lambert, nice one mate!
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : I am looking for a site to start my challenge because I think Sky has become a bit tough at DYM at the moment and also because I want to receive a new player's bonus. Do you have any site to recommend? If you don't want to post because it's maybe going to be an ad to the site PM me please. Posted by GreekWay
They seem to have got very tuff, the amount of times recently ive been 6 handed at level 6 is just silly other then C4P I see very little value.
the £5DYm seem a little easier but then £10 are just full of regs.
If certain players are in the £50 DYM there is super value to be had
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : They seem to have got very tuff, the amount of times recently ive been 6 handed at level 6 is just silly other then C4P I see very little value. the £5DYm seem a little easier but then £10 are just full of regs. If certain players are in the £50 DYM there is super value to be had Posted by PiAnOpLaYa
Hi Piano and Greek, regarding the games getting tougher I asked this question to JC last week;
If there are still 5+ runners post level 7-8 and you are all on equalish chip stacks what is the best thing to do?
JC replied:
The games you're referring to, particularly where there are 6 players left are the toughest kind and my least favourite. Unfortunately, there's not that much you can do to be honest. Because there are more people to shove through (and this has a huge impact on shoving ranges) you may well have to tighten up, even at the expense of your stack getting smaller than you would like. That's to say, tighten up when shoving junk, don't try and shove it through multiple opponents. There's also the problem of players being more likely to enter pots before you. In these circumstances I think you have to take full advantage of any spots that do present themselves to you, as you'll never be sure when you can be first into the pot again. So I can see there being many spots where I would shove ATC in the small blind. If the blinds are really big compared to stacks, though, actual hands (not junk) will go up in value alot. So I wouldn't be folding any medium pairs or decent aces. I'd be shoving these from any position really, and potentially calling with them as well, depending how short stacks are.
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Bankroll was £136.52
Then had a great session tonight, obviously ran well here:
Played 32 £5.50s W 24 L 8
Bankroll- £205.02
Feeling quite good about the bankroll now, touch wood I will be able to move upto the £11s sometime soon.
glad to help you out in one of those games.
Hand 1 - one guy shoves the turn and I call wih 2pr cos theres no way he shoves with better than my hand on that board, he has QQ so I'm ahead and then rivers the Q.
Hand 2 - I've got KK and walk into a guy whose flopped 2pair cos he wouldnt let go of Q8 to my raise pre. That took a few chips off me.
Hand 3 - Left with about 2.8k from the KK hand. I get QQ, someone opens with 3x raise, someone 3bets, I shove and get called by AA lol, I even flop the Q but he rivered the straight...
I hope this ends soon.
Re MP33's 66 hand:
Sorry it's taken me a while to comment on this one MP33, I haven't been online that much in the last few days.
Here are my thoughts about it. I wouldn't be shoving pre, I don't think the stack sizes or the situation are right for that and it appears the risk/reward is not good enough. So I would mostly lean towards folding. However, I don't hate a call and would make this play myself sometimes, particularly if the game is not progressing. You're getting 3 to 1 in a fairly easy spot, either flop a set or get out.
However, the poker gods decided to test you with a flop, very unlucky really. That being said, though, what I said above about flopping a set or getting out still rings mostly true and I'm sure it was in your head pre-flop too. As such my overriding objective when that flop comes is to play a small pot. I'm putting in 300 more chips max if I don't improve (or slightly more if he min bets flop and turn then makes a small bet on the river - which he can't really do from his stack anyway). Ideally my opponent will min-bet (or check!) the flop and turn, which happens surprisingly often in these spots late on. If he half pots the flop, I think I find one call, looking to turn my straight or my set (my set is good since I can never put him on a 3 here) and knowing that he will also give up on the turn sometimes aswell. If he bets 3/4 pot on the flop I fold. 3/4 pot is a big bet in itself, it's a huge part of his stack, and it indicates that he's going all the way with the hand. Those 3 factors point to strength that the 66 can't match. So yeah, I'm definately not leading for 3/4 pot, I'm not leading at all but if I was I would make it half pot. Then I think you have to fold to the click back from that stack, that indicates huge strength.
All in all it is a tough spot and you got unlucky. But such a tough spot becomes much, much easier if your thinking when you see the flop changes. If you adopt a tight DYM mindset then this becomes a clear spot to play a small pot, not a large one.
You would need to know:
Your start BR, Your end BR, Total # of games played, Stake, Return
£100 £111.50 27 £5.50 £10
(Example figures above)
This will not work if you change buyins mid-session.
1) Multiply the buyin by the total number of games played. £5.50 x 27 = £148.50
2) Either add on your profit, or subtract your loss for the day £148.50 + £11.50 = £160
3) Then Divide this the return at your level £160/£10 = 16
That gives you how many games you have won which is 16/27 for this scenario.
So you would still need to record how many games you have played.
Remember my bad beats in the 7.15 DS and 7.45 DS last night in the DTD, well I ran a bit better in the TOT and came 2nd for just over £55 so that's cheered me up
That's pretty much covered my losses from that horrendous session of bad beats in DYMs
the £5DYm seem a little easier but then £10 are just full of regs.
If certain players are in the £50 DYM there is super value to be had
If there are still 5+ runners post level 7-8 and you are all on equalish chip stacks what is the best thing to do?
JC replied:
The games you're referring to, particularly where there are 6 players left are the toughest kind and my least favourite. Unfortunately, there's not that much you can do to be honest. Because there are more people to shove through (and this has a huge impact on shoving ranges) you may well have to tighten up, even at the expense of your stack getting smaller than you would like. That's to say, tighten up when shoving junk, don't try and shove it through multiple opponents. There's also the problem of players being more likely to enter pots before you. In these circumstances I think you have to take full advantage of any spots that do present themselves to you, as you'll never be sure when you can be first into the pot again. So I can see there being many spots where I would shove ATC in the small blind. If the blinds are really big compared to stacks, though, actual hands (not junk) will go up in value alot. So I wouldn't be folding any medium pairs or decent aces. I'd be shoving these from any position really, and potentially calling with them as well, depending how short stacks are.