In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Cheers stretch. The games you're referring to, particularly where there are 6 players left are the toughest kind and my least favourite. Unfortunately, there's not that much you can do to be honest. Because there are more people to shove through (and this has a huge impact on shoving ranges) you may well have to tighten up, even at the expense of your stack getting smaller than you would like. That's to say, tighten up when shoving junk, don't try and shove it through multiple opponents. There's also the problem of players being more likely to enter pots before you. In these circumstances I think you have to take full advantage of any spots that do present themselves to you, as you'll never be sure when you can be first into the pot again. So I can see there being many spots where I would shove ATC in the small blind. If the blinds are really big compared to stacks, though, actual hands (not junk) will go up in value alot. So I wouldn't be folding any medium pairs or decent aces. I'd be shoving these from any position really, and potentially calling with them as well, depending how short stacks are. Bit awkward, those spots, so hope the above makes at least some sense. Posted by JohnConnor
One thing I've noticed, and we've all seen it happen, is even if we get to levels 8 or 9 (or above) 5 or 6 handed, people at the table still play to the tune of the table leader even if there is a negligible difference in stack sizes, and sometimes, even when the table leader is not the biggest stack (normally an early leader, aggressive raiser and caller - may have just lost chips calling an all in...).
The crucial point is, people instinctively look for a table leader - the person who, halfway through the DYM - if asked, you would all agree would make the cash. If you can become this person, even if you are not an outright chip beast, you can steal blinds and have blinds folded to you by reputation alone.
What happens 5 or 6 handed with deep blinds is the higher stacks (say 3k+) try to maintain the inequality between themselves and the lower stacks (1.2k or less) and this requires a strategy to avoid the bigger stacks and therefore, some level of implicit collusion. This is where the table leader (the Don) dictates things.
Bigger stacks fold to him, as a sign of respect/expecting the favour to be returned (like Godfather 2 when people give gifts to Vito Corleone), small stacks get into a dog eat dog fight if all goes to plan as the looming blinds force them to shove more often and give better/unfoldable odds to call.
Basically, it's not so much a rational strategy based on maths that is useful in this situation, it is an understanding of table dynamics and psychology that would be your best asset to get into an adventageous position.
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : One thing I've noticed, and we've all seen it happen, is even if we get to levels 8 or 9 (or above) 5 or 6 handed, people at the table still play to the tune of the table leader even if there is a negligible difference in stack sizes, and sometimes, even when the table leader is not the biggest stack (normally an early leader, aggressive raiser and caller - may have just lost chips calling an all in...). The crucial point is, people instinctively look for a table leader - the person who, halfway through the DYM - if asked, you would all agree would make the cash. If you can become this person, even if you are not an outright chip beast, you can steal blinds and have blinds folded to you by reputation alone. What happens 5 or 6 handed with deep blinds is the higher stacks (say 3k+) try to maintain the inequality between themselves and the lower stacks (1.2k or less) and this requires a strategy to avoid the bigger stacks and therefore, some level of implicit collusion. This is where the table leader (the Don) dictates things. Bigger stacks fold to him, as a sign of respect/expecting the favour to be returned (like Godfather 2 when people give gifts to Vito Corleone), small stacks get into a dog eat dog fight if all goes to plan as the looming blinds force them to shove more often and give better/unfoldable odds to call. Basically, it's not so much a rational strategy based on maths that is useful in this situation, it is an understanding of table dynamics and psychology that would be your best asset to get into an adventageous position. Please tell me this has been articulated clearly! Posted by BigRonnieC
Hi Ronnie, yeah it has, great post mate thanks. I wouldn't go against anything in it and it makes alot of sense, very interesting.
Frustrating start to the session but it ended really well: Played 25 £3.30s W 18 L 7 Bankroll - £121.52 Rolled for the £5.50s again, roll on tomorrow night. Hating having to go to bed early to get up for work at 8am :-( Posted by JohnConnor
Going well JC!! Just think that £121.52 was £15 quid a month or so ago, where else on this planet can you get that R.O.I?
Well lots of places considering the amount of volume required lol.... but I'm not raining on parades.
Yeah had another quite frustrating session myself JC, always annoys me when I just can't get over that 50% mark, like I load up 2 win 1/2, then load up another 2, make it 2/4, another 2, 3/6, and so on and just can't get that 2 in a row to push me in to profit.
Oh well, I know it's just the way it falls, many a time I win 4-5 in a row.
Well lots of places considering the amount of volume required lol.... but I'm not raining on parades. Yeah had another quite frustrating session myself JC, always annoys me when I just can't get over that 50% mark, like I load up 2 win 1/2, then load up another 2, make it 2/4, another 2, 3/6, and so on and just can't get that 2 in a row to push me in to profit. Oh well, I know it's just the way it falls, many a time I win 4-5 in a row. Posted by Lambert180
cud b worse i got in from footy n quickly lost 8 in a row
Kind of opposite session to the last, started pretty well and should have ended in profit but ran slightly poorly towards the end and finished £1 down:
ok i tried dym's only and started well then i keep getting sucked out on. im up but the grind of not getting anywhere quick is doing my head in, so i took the decision that if im gonna play then ill mix it up with sit n goes as if i can make top 3 theres no reason not to make top 2, and its working out a lot better, im sticking to a strickt br management and just playing low stakes no more than 3.30 i won 40quid in a 2.20 mtt so its helped and bumping up quite nicely. I will still play dym but throw in a few sit n goes as well and keeping record of each win loss or 2nd place. Stats so far after couple of bad nights of dym
I rarely play at $20 dollar level but now and then if i spot a game on scope i,ll try it
This game was a $20 + $2 PLO DYM - 8 player. It seemed easier than a £3 0r £5 on here
Ive found a marked imrovement on Sky in the low stakes DYM,s and don,t think the myth in general "That Sky is a soft site " is true anymore . Players on Sky have learnt a lot and the standard is always improving
Just out of interest do you know of any other sites for DYM,s JC and what their like compared to Sky,s?
ok i tried dym's only and started well then i keep getting sucked out on. im up but the grind of not getting anywhere quick is doing my head in, so i took the decision that if im gonna play then ill mix it up with sit n goes as if i can make top 3 theres no reason not to make top 2, and its working out a lot better, im sticking to a strickt br management and just playing low stakes no more than 3.30 i won 40quid in a 2.20 mtt so its helped and bumping up quite nicely. I will still play dym but throw in a few sit n goes as well and keeping record of each win loss or 2nd place. Stats so far after couple of bad nights of dym dym 1.10 hu -2 3.30 hu -1 5.50dym +1 -1 2.25dym+16 -9 3.30dym+16 -14 1.10dym-1 61played 33 won 28 lost +4 sit n go 1.10 +1 2nd 1 L 2 2.20 +7 2nd +3 L 5 3.30 +1 2nd +1 L3 played 23 1st 9 2nd 5 lost 9 +4 Posted by Dazler
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Nice STT record Posted by MP33
ty would be a lot better as went out to a lot with the better hand in most but lot of 2nd places due to me having massive stack hu and each time the chips go in pre against small stack we both have the same top card but they keep hitting there lower kicker its insane how many times thats happend.
good site which i havnt used much but noticed good dym's is 888
Hi Dazler, yeah those STT results look really good, and a nice MTT score too, your bankroll must be looking good, keep up the good work!
MP33, was going to say I don't unfortunately, sorry, but having seen Dazler's post above, I have read somewhere that 888 is good for them now so might be worth a look there . . .
Just about the highest I've been since starting this, hope to play tomorrow night and in fact every night over the weekend. Off out now, gl everyone . . .
Small session and profit: Played 15 £5.50s W 9 L 6 Bankroll - £132.52 Just about the highest I've been since starting this, hope to play tomorrow night and in fact every night over the weekend. Off out now, gl everyone . . . Posted by JohnConnor
n1 JC good to call it a night when you up my bankroll is steady so doing ok and up on dym so far ill post at end of night, have a nice evening out
dropped down on the stt games and shoulda won them but bad beats put me in 3rd a lot! but made up for it a bit on the dym tonight, played a couple of tornys also was close but no cigar.
Heres a cpl of hands I think I maybe could have played differently . Wouldn,t mind opinions on how differently i could have played them - Cheers
I cashed in this one but it was getting a very tight game and i thought i could get my min raise through after i,d not pllayed a hand for a while
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
jinxy1955
Small blind
150.00
150.00
3430.00
mrg7
Big blind
300.00
450.00
1715.00
Your hole cards
10
J
A
K
MP33
Raise
600.00
1050.00
1835.00
eekamouze
Raise
1800.00
2850.00
2170.00
jinxy1955
Fold
mrg7
Fold
MP33
Fold
eekamouze
Muck
eekamouze
Win
1650.00
3820.00
eekamouze
Return
1200.00
0.00
5020.00
This was on the bubble and maybe should have shoved pre or just stayed out of it - looking back at my stack.
It was one of those games where no-one wanted to finish off the short stack and you sometimes get frustrated with it and make mistakes like mine , especially when ppl are folding with huge stacks , when they are getting odds to call with any 2
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
MP33
Big blind
150.00
150.00
2975.00
Your hole cards
6
6
padman1978
Raise
300.00
450.00
1572.50
Plato1
Fold
cravens15
Fold
MP33
Call
150.00
600.00
2825.00
Flop
5
2
4
MP33
Bet
450.00
1050.00
2375.00
padman1978
Raise
900.00
1950.00
672.50
MP33
Raise
900.00
2850.00
1475.00
padman1978
All-in
672.50
3522.50
0.00
MP33
Call
222.50
3745.00
1252.50
MP33
Show
6
6
padman1978
Show
A
3
Turn
4
River
10
padman1978
Win
Straight to the 5
3745.00
3745.00
Not sure about this one : unlucky to run into such a good hand but with 5 left and the blinds at 200/400 thought I had to make a move as the blinds would have been 300/600 by the time they got to me
Comments
One thing I've noticed, and we've all seen it happen, is even if we get to levels 8 or 9 (or above) 5 or 6 handed, people at the table still play to the tune of the table leader even if there is a negligible difference in stack sizes, and sometimes, even when the table leader is not the biggest stack (normally an early leader, aggressive raiser and caller - may have just lost chips calling an all in...).
The crucial point is, people instinctively look for a table leader - the person who, halfway through the DYM - if asked, you would all agree would make the cash. If you can become this person, even if you are not an outright chip beast, you can steal blinds and have blinds folded to you by reputation alone.
What happens 5 or 6 handed with deep blinds is the higher stacks (say 3k+) try to maintain the inequality between themselves and the lower stacks (1.2k or less) and this requires a strategy to avoid the bigger stacks and therefore, some level of implicit collusion. This is where the table leader (the Don) dictates things.
Bigger stacks fold to him, as a sign of respect/expecting the favour to be returned (like Godfather 2 when people give gifts to Vito Corleone), small stacks get into a dog eat dog fight if all goes to plan as the looming blinds force them to shove more often and give better/unfoldable odds to call.
Basically, it's not so much a rational strategy based on maths that is useful in this situation, it is an understanding of table dynamics and psychology that would be your best asset to get into an adventageous position.
Please tell me this has been articulated clearly!
Played 30 £3.30s W 15 L 15
Bankroll - £98.72
Played 25 £3.30s W 18 L 7
Bankroll - £121.52
Rolled for the £5.50s again, roll on tomorrow night. Hating having to go to bed early to get up for work at 8am :-(
Yeah had another quite frustrating session myself JC, always annoys me when I just can't get over that 50% mark, like I load up 2 win 1/2, then load up another 2, make it 2/4, another 2, 3/6, and so on and just can't get that 2 in a row to push me in to profit.
Oh well, I know it's just the way it falls, many a time I win 4-5 in a row.
Played 20 £5.50s W 12 L 8
Bankroll - £120.52
This game was a $20 + $2 PLO DYM - 8 player. It seemed easier than a £3 0r £5 on here
Ive found a marked imrovement on Sky in the low stakes DYM,s and don,t think the myth in general "That Sky is a soft site " is true anymore . Players on Sky have learnt a lot and the standard is always improving
Just out of interest do you know of any other sites for DYM,s JC and what their like compared to Sky,s?
MP33, was going to say I don't unfortunately, sorry, but having seen Dazler's post above, I have read somewhere that 888 is good for them now so might be worth a look there . . .
Played 15 £5.50s W 9 L 6
Bankroll - £132.52
Just about the highest I've been since starting this, hope to play tomorrow night and in fact every night over the weekend. Off out now, gl everyone . . .
Won 2
Lost 2
Heres a cpl of hands I think I maybe could have played differently . Wouldn,t mind opinions on how differently i could have played them - Cheers
I cashed in this one but it was getting a very tight game and i thought i could get my min raise through after i,d not pllayed a hand for a while
It was one of those games where no-one wanted to finish off the short stack and you sometimes get frustrated with it and make mistakes like mine , especially when ppl are folding with huge stacks , when they are getting odds to call with any 2