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ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR

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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2014
    I'm gonna guess he'd say no MP33. Maybe earlier in my challenge I would have but I've stopped being so aggresive on the bubble now. You're gonna be in real trouble with this hand if you get called... even if they have KQ do you wanna take that race? And you're gonna get callers quite often with the stacks people have.
  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,300
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    I'm gonna guess he'd say no MP33. Maybe earlier in my challenge I would have but I've stopped being so aggresive on the bubble now. You're gonna be in real trouble with this hand if you get called... even if they have KQ do you wanna take that race? And you're gonna get callers quite often with the stacks people have.
    Posted by Lambert180
    I have stared to be a bit more agressive on the bubble as ive seen others do it and get away with it

    Only managed a cpl of ga,es - Still not put in a session over 5 games yet , but will do tommorow hopefully
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2014
    Mainly played cash today, but played 9 at the £11 level won 6

    I think that puts my "DYM bankroll" at £263

  • BigRonnieCBigRonnieC Member Posts: 186
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Mainly played cash today, but played 9 at the £11 level won 6 I think that puts my "DYM bankroll" at £263
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    To clarify, winning 6/9 at £11b.i.  is:

    cost: 9 x (10+1) = 99

    winnings = 6 x (10x2) = 120

    net profit = 21 quid plus some points (about 18% roi)

    I know you meant total sng roll though :D
  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,300
    edited February 2014
    Cant win a game now - always seem to go out on the bubble so I guess its something im doing wrong when we get to 4 players

    started with £100 - down to £80 now
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Cant win a game now - always seem to go out on the bubble so I guess its something im doing wrong when we get to 4 players started with £100 - down to £80 now
    Posted by MP33
    Best thing to do would be post shove of the hands where you've bubbled. I imagine it's at a stage where it's shove or fold so people will be able to tell you if you should be shoving that wide or what not so stick a couple of hands up. Sometimes you might be doing everything right and lose quite a few in a row. Personally I've had a slight loss this session and it's just down to a few races where I was the favourite not going my way on the bubble but it happens.
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : To clarify, winning 6/9 at £11b.i.  is: cost: 9 x (10+1) = 99 winnings = 6 x (10x2) = 120 net profit = 21 quid plus some points (about 18% roi) I know you meant total sng roll though :D
    Posted by BigRonnieC
    What I meant was, I have been playing mostly cash lately and not keeping track of it, I think It was actually £243.50 or something, but as I wasn't sure said £242 as that is the BR needed for the £11s

    But anyway, won 8 of 9 tonight. so that's £61 profit

    DYM BR: £324
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2014
    Hi JC,

     Do me the honour of popping over to the clinic and giving me your opinion on a thread I posted

    "DYM BUBBLE FOLD OR CALL"

    cheers in advance


  • BigRonnieCBigRonnieC Member Posts: 186
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    Cant win a game now - always seem to go out on the bubble so I guess its something im doing wrong when we get to 4 players started with £100 - down to £80 now
    Posted by MP33
    At 5quid buy in? That's to be expected now and again no matter how well you play. Once it gets to the stage where everyone shoving you can:
    -get it in with the best hand and take a beat
    -shove to steal not expecting a call and being called and losing
    -shove with a good hand like JJ and run into AA or KK

    Like Lambert said post some examples so we can see stack sizes and hands played. DYMs reward you for a lack of mistakes rather than good play, but sometimes you can do everything right and lose anyway.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : At 5quid buy in? That's to be expected now and again no matter how well you play. Once it gets to the stage where everyone shoving you can: -get it in with the best hand and take a beat -shove to steal not expecting a call and being called and losing -shove with a good hand like JJ and run into AA or KK Like Lambert said post some examples so we can see stack sizes and hands played. DYMs reward you for a lack of mistakes rather than good play, but sometimes you can do everything right and lose anyway.
    Posted by BigRonnieC

    Getting to bubble is the most important and hardest aspects of DYM's, once your at the bubble then run good and don't make any mistakes.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2014
    JC

     Question

    I have been playing about with the idea of creating action in a three way pot by inflating the pot pre knowing I am folding the flop to induce the other two oppo to go at it on the flop

    Is this something you have come across in your time playing DYM's 

    I am finding it very enjoyable if only for my own benefit at low stakes :D


  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    JC  Question I have been playing about with the idea of creating action in a three way pot by inflating the pot pre knowing I am folding the flop to induce the other two oppo to go at it on the flop Is this something you have come across in your time playing DYM's  I am finding it very enjoyable if only for my own benefit at low stakes :D
    Posted by rancid
    I used to do that in the £1.15s all the time lol, but that was mainly for fun I don't know if it's profitable.
  • JohnConnorJohnConnor Member Posts: 1,160
    edited February 2014
    @ MP33:

    I think you played the AKs and the A3s both pretty much perfectly. With the AKs there's not a lot you can do there. You can flat as your in position and hope he bets again on the river but you risk a 4th spade coming and killing your action. While click-raising may appear to telegraph your hand to some extent I still think it's the percentage play overall in that spot. With the A3s on the button I'm shipping all day long in that spot.
  • JohnConnorJohnConnor Member Posts: 1,160
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    JC  Question I have been playing about with the idea of creating action in a three way pot by inflating the pot pre knowing I am folding the flop to induce the other two oppo to go at it on the flop Is this something you have come across in your time playing DYM's  I am finding it very enjoyable if only for my own benefit at low stakes :D
    Posted by rancid
    Hi rancid. Interesting question, not something I've ever tried but it has crossed my mind in the past. Only briefly though to be honest. I can't imagine, really, that you have enough chips in a DYM to 'use' any like this. If you're enjoying it though . . . ;-)
  • JohnConnorJohnConnor Member Posts: 1,160
    edited February 2014
    Ok, best do a quick update while I've got 10 minutes spare. Had an up and down day Saturday and was happy to end up still 'rolled for the £5.50s:

    Played 24 £5.50s W 11 L 13
    Played 21 £3.30s W 15 L 6
    Bankroll - £117.22

    Noted down 2 hands to illustrate 'DYM Mindset'. MP33 has also posted a good one above, folding AA pre-flop. The first hand below, the guy makes a horrible min-raise pre. My options as I see them are to 3 bet or call and set-mine in a multi-way pot. I elect to set-mine as I often will in this spot, very suspicious of the min raise after limpers. After what looks like a dream flop I'm still aware of my pre-flop decision that I was playing the 10-10 for set-mining value only. Also the size of the c-bet makes it look like if I'm playing, I'm playing for stacks and there are also active opponents behind me. I think in the long run, if I go with my 10-10 here, I stack off too often vs higher pairs for the play to be profitable in DYMs.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xxxSmall blind  25.00 25.00 2680.00
    JohnConnor Big blind  50.00 75.00 1925.00
     Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 10
       
    sabrett11 Call  50.00 125.00 1605.00
    jromega1 Call  50.00 175.00 1550.00
    4evergas Fold     
    xxxRaise  75.00 250.00 2605.00
    JohnConnor Call  50.00 300.00 1875.00
    sabrett11 Call  50.00 350.00 1555.00
    jromega1 Call  50.00 400.00 1500.00
    Flop
      
    • 3
    • 6
    • 5
       
    xxxBet  400.00 800.00 2205.00
    JohnConnor Fold     
    sabrett11 Fold     
    jromega1 Raise  800.00 1600.00 700.00
    xxxFold     
    jromega1 Muck     
    jromega1 Win  1200.00  1900.00
    jromega1 Return  400.00 0.00 2300.00
    In the second hand is a spot where I really think the villain should be open-folding his Aces. goddy in the big blind has 390 chips left, has been away all game and is about to be blinded out for sure. I could well afford to lose the chips and elected to have some fun (DYMs can get boring - shock!). Anyway, I learnt the hard way to open fold AA when someone's about to get blinded out so I see it as a duty to inform others :-) The villain in this hand reduced his chances of cashing from 100% (my opinion) to 88%, not ideal:
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    stikman220 Small blind  150.00 150.00 2800.00
    JohnConnor Big blind  300.00 450.00 6025.00
     Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 2
       
    goddy1991 Fold     
    xxx Raise  600.00 1050.00 1735.00
    stikman220 Fold     
    JohnConnor All-in  6025.00 7075.00 0.00
    xxx All-in  1735.00 8810.00 0.00
    JohnConnor Unmatched bet  3990.00 4820.00 3990.00
    JohnConnor Show
    • 10
    • 2
       
    xxx Show
    • A
    • A
       
    Flop
      
    • 9
    • 10
    • 9
       
    Turn
      
    • 7
       
    River
      
    • 4
       
    xxx Win Two Pairs, Aces and 9s 4820.00  4820.00
     
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR:
    In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : What I meant was, I have been playing mostly cash lately and not keeping track of it, I think It was actually £243.50 or something, but as I wasn't sure said £242 as that is the BR needed for the £11s But anyway, won 8 of 9 tonight. so that's £61 profit DYM BR: £324
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    Won 4 lost 5, DYM BR=£305

    Really hope I can stay at this level, the poker points come in nice and fast!
  • goldnballzgoldnballz Member Posts: 2,812
    edited February 2014
    A great read, thanks for the tips JC :)
  • stretch83stretch83 Member Posts: 154
    edited February 2014
    Had a bit of a golden run recently - Also have been helped by Sky they gave me a £5 for my birthday, and a free £5 bet which I spent on playing Black Jack and won a few quid etc. 

    Have moved up to £2.25s
    BR £52.92

    Loving the DYMS
  • stretch83stretch83 Member Posts: 154
    edited February 2014
    Good luck JC in tonights UKops event!!!!
  • JohnConnorJohnConnor Member Posts: 1,160
    edited February 2014
    Thanks Stretch! Will try my best, going to try and read some PLO strategy during the early levels lol.
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