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Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables

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  • 77Chris9177Chris91 Member Posts: 375
    edited October 2014
    Yup tis a fold. Having Ks makes it an easier fold.
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited October 2014
    £2,367.41 / 2,728pts

    Hopefully even a lazy idiot like me can rack up 55pts a day this week and scramble over the meagre 3k points target now.

    Helped along that there were some 'frisky' NL20 tables in play yesterday. I think that must be the first time I've ever picked up more than £100 from cash in a day.  I did (obviously) run very golden in between the constant disconnections, kinda helped by getting some very good seats to play from.

    Once again makes me wish I was better at tournaments though, +£100 days must be standard for anyone that plays £5 BH or greater on a regular basis lol... And I definitely am green with envy at Robbo67 picking up a £3,500 holiday from the tourni yesterday (although equally pleased that a Sky reg player was the one that binked it).

    I haven't really seen any hands of note... although conscious that I probably didn't get max value from my big hands. Still a bit reticent to increase the variance via more marginal river bets... may dig a few of those out later to seek some feedback.
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited October 2014
    £2,311.81 / 2,827pts

    lol was due a few grim spots... going back through hand histories I lost over £100 with KK in the space of about an hour yesterday... no more wishing for being dealt premium hands more frequently :)

    It went nuts on one table, I was getting dealt a premium hand every other hand, never had anything like it before, on that table alone I had KK 9 times within an hour! I think that became the problem though, as I must have seemed like an utter maniac to the others at the table by betting/3-betting/4-betting with such a high frequency... which must have made it the right response for them to defend with an increasingly wide range...

    I'm sure it was purely fate that before I started playing I was reading an article about implementing a stop-loss point and thinking 'nah that strategy is for fools'

    http://www.nottinghampost.com/Nottingham-Forest-manager-Stuart-Pearce-learns/story-23651952-detail/story.html

    I wish we'd had poker studies at University when I was a student... anyway pretty depressing all round on the football front in October. Am sure that Psycho will turn things around in Forest pretty shortly, less sure I'll be playing much more, ever, as I hobble around on an increasingly dodgy hamstring.

    S'pose that means a fair bit more time for poker, mind, until finding a less active replacement hobby :/
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    £2,457.50 / 915pts

    Hmm.. feels a bit fradulent updating this during the UKOPS times, but logging for my own records.

    Managed to bink £55 from the Sidey freeroll, one of the rare times I win for a tournament that I'd have been up for playing, but 10pm on a Sunday evening is way too late to start a tourni... hopefully I can get lucky in another game over the course of this week... I'm too cack at tournaments to think about those sort of buy-ins myself.

    Even more inclined to make an effort to learn tournis after seeing the many fantastic forum regs' scores last night. I think that will be a challenge to take on in January.

    Made it well past 3k pts in the end last month. Enough so to bin off most of Friday night and go to the cinema to see 'Fury'. Good film, can definitely recommend, not a truly classic war movie but a good story all the same.

    It's sad, but watching war films always makes me appreciate how easy life is by comparison to my grandparents lives (and relatives older than that). Hard to really moan too much about suffering a bad beat while sat in my nice warm house, using the internet with relatively secure power supply keeping my laptop ticking over, occasionally checking my smartphone to keep up to speed with my wider friend and family circles... eating whatever I want, when I want... well yeah, we have it pretty good these days lol

    Anyway, double points week is a bonus. Nearly 1k in two days and didn't even play that much lol I could beat last months' target by the end of the week... were it not for the likelihood that my birthday on Friday will mean limited poker.

    Part-regretting that my birthday 'thing' this year is heading off to watch Forest v Norwich on Saturday. Think LOTS of booze will be required......
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    Added about a tenner in total and points almost at 1.5k... would have been more but got stung in a few pots where 1 or 2 outers stitched me... ah well, evens up in the end and I'm hopefully doing something right to still be about even.

    Really looking forward to my birthday weekend this year.

    Tomorrow I get to spend my actual birthday lugging my sister's contents to their new home...

    Saturday, now even less enthused than after the Brentford shambles, I'll be biting my nails off and driving myself to drink hoping Forest can stop the rot against a decent Norwich side... can't be letting Derby get too much of a lead on us!

    Sunday to mix it up I get to head to London and move all my Grandma's stuff out of her house and try and find homes for it all. After another stroke and the now need for 24hr care we've had to concede defeat as a family and help her move to a care home.

    I don't think I want to get old. Hope work (or poker!) can provide me with a fund to book a trip to Switzerland as I reach into retirement, because all my grandparents and other elderly relatives just seem to be in permanent discomfort for most of the latter years.

    Meh.

    Good news that UKOPS is doing so well, especially as that'll mean no risk of any hands I play this evening getting pulled apart on the telly :)
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    Yay we won a game! Hopefully the gap to Derby won't get any bigger now :/

    I was utterly ko'd from a stinking migraine that had me puking my guts up and therefore missed the equaliser, before just about getting back to see the winner. Ultimate pleasure and pain to be among 20k+ screaming fans and doing your best to join in while it feels like someone has jammed a dagger in your eye socket and kneed you in the stomach lol. I celebrated by almost immediately going and puking some more.  Rock and roll.

    Pretty humbling day yesterday seeing my Grandma at the home she's been moved into. Not entirely sure she even recognised who I was to be honest. And some of the few coherent words being asked to help her die.

    I'm 100% making sure I die young.

    Not really any poker to write about to be honest. What little I have played has mostly been filled with brainless fishy calls and it's almost certainly only run good that means I'm a little bit up. May stick to drinking this week instead and leave the poker alone for a few days.
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    £2,471

    In between and after the unpaid Sunday overtime (booo) I ventured back on to the cash tables.

    There didn't seem to be much in way of open seats and no-one wanted to sit with me when I tried to get NL20 tables started (dunno why, it's well documented that I'm easy money while playing HU!).

    As a result I ended up spread through NL8, NL10MC, NL20MC and NL30.

    Weirdly, all the run good/play good (what little there was) was confined to the NL30 table. That still wasn't enough to stop a drop of £50.  I'll post the good bad and ugly of the hands responsible for that to follow this.

    I've probably been reading too much stuff from the advanced play book and caused myself too much confusion in hands when it really needn't be that complicated.

    I also signed up to get a free 1/2 hour coaching vid, so will look to ping that together at NL20 some time this week. Not sure how easy it will be to share once the comments have been added to rip my play apart, but will throw up a link if I can. Free advertising for people that want to know how easiest to take my cash!

    One of the videos by the person doing this included a hand vs me where I yet again butchered (but won) with AKo. Starting to think that may be one of the good basics that needs the most work :0

    And hopefully tonight I can find some flukes to avoid the DTD wooden spoon. To reiterate my comments from elsewhere, I'd have done better last week if I'd just sat out the entire time.  Sigh.
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    Starting with THE GOOD

    I only really sat at NL8 because there was a whale with a big stack that I thought I could go after, especially as they played every hand in the orbit I watched before taking a seat.

    Then I hit bingo on like my 4th hand, easy money... one of the few times I actually got my money in ahead last night.... hang on a minute..
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
     Small blind  £0.04 £0.04 £7.08
     Big blind  £0.08 £0.12 £7.04
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
     Call  £0.08 £0.20 £8.52
    xxxCall  £0.08 £0.28 £45.79
    shakinaces Raise  £0.44 £0.72 £7.56
    Fold     
     Fold     
     Fold     
     Fold     
    xxxCall  £0.36 £1.08 £45.43
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 6
    • 3
         
    xxxCheck     
    shakinaces Bet  £1.08 £2.16 £6.48
    xxxRaise  £2.16 £4.32 £43.27
    shakinaces All-in  £6.48 £10.80 £0.00
    xxxCall  £5.40 £16.20 £37.87
    xxxShow
    • 10
    • K
       
    shakinaces Show
    • A
    • A
       
    Turn
       
    • 10
         
    River
       
    • K
         
    xxxWin Full House, 10s and Kings £14.98  £52.85
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    THE BAD

    Not sure why I didn't 3-bet pre.

    Or why I didn't think about raising the flop.

    Then totally convinced myself oppo had a QQ55x and talked myself into an ill advised (anti-)hero call

    Sigh.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xxxSmall blind  £0.10 £0.10 £39.90
    shakinaces Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £39.80
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • 10
         
     Fold     
     Fold     
    Fold     
    xxxRaise  £0.50 £0.80 £39.40
    shakinaces Call  £0.40 £1.20 £39.40
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • Q
    • 5
         
    xxxBet  £0.90 £2.10 £38.50
    shakinaces Call  £0.90 £3.00 £38.50
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    xxxBet  £3.00 £6.00 £35.50
    shakinaces Call  £3.00 £9.00 £35.50
    River
       
    • 10
         
    xxxBet  £6.00 £15.00 £29.50
    shakinaces Call  £6.00 £21.00 £29.50
    xxxShow
    • J
    • 9
       
    shakinaces Muck
    • Q
    • 10
       
    xxxWin Flush to the Queen £19.95  £49.45
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited November 2014
    Did you change the id to "pkrfix" or is that genuine?

    don't let the conspiracy theorists know.

    "how come the player with the big stack gets it all-in and always hits?"
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    THE UGLY

    At first review last night, I wasn't a massive fan of my 3bet. In retrospect, vs an UTG min-raise and call I'm happy with the move, albeit I probably should have been somewhere closer to £2.20.

    I'm still thinking my cbet is ill advised, there was always going to be lots of small pocket pairs in the oppo range and even if they hadn't hit a set, things like 8s, 6s maybe even 4s could come along for the ride (esp the UTG player, less so MP). Equally suited connectors could easily have picked up some equity here, either pairs or gutshots.

    So all in all, being so deep and with the nut draw I think this should have been a spot where I didn't fire the flop.

    Then the really ugly after I was re-raised... I couldn't bring myself to fold... I imagine most will say that I should have called... I did originally size a more sensible raise but then figured I was as good as all in after bumping it up to somewhere around £20, so just jammed.

    Muppet.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
     Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £57.27
    shakinaces Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £39.80
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • J
         
    utgRaise  £0.40 £0.70 £23.23
    mpCall  £0.40 £1.10 £41.00
     Fold     
    shakinaces Raise  £1.80 £2.90 £38.00
    utgCall  £1.60 £4.50 £21.63
    mpCall  £1.60 £6.10 £39.40
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 2
    • 7
         
    shakinaces Bet  £3.40 £9.50 £34.60
    utgFold     
    mpRaise  £9.00 £18.50 £30.40
    shakinaces All-in  £34.60 £53.10 £0.00
    mpCall  £29.00 £82.10 £1.40
    shakinaces Show
    • A
    • J
       
    mpShow
    • 5
    • 5
       
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    River
       
    • Q
         
    mpWin Three 5s £80.30  £81.70
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: a fish en route to NL20:
    Did you change the id to "pkrfix" or is that genuine? don't let the conspiracy theorists know. "how come the player with the big stack gets it all-in and always hits?"
    Posted by Phantom66
    Ah you checked out my post too soon... so much for hiding names :)

    For some reason my browser will only let me change the hand history after I've posted it, the images don't even show up while I'm typing the initial post?
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited November 2014
    I'll delete if you want me to (having made a note of the name for myself of course)

    I wasn't complaining that you left name in - not against rules - only abusing named players is.

    Just thought it a bit ironic that play could look fixed
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    £2,482

    Not a complete bust in DTD this week, making it to 8th in DTD3 before me and another c.12bb stack got in with my AJ < A6 and gg me

    DTD2 was going pretty well before I did half my stack with AA on a Qxx x Q run out vs Q9 (for a change, I realised not to bet the river) and then just when I thought I was going to double back up...
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
     Small blind  75.00 75.00 6420.00
     Big blind  150.00 225.00 10292.44
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    shakinaces Raise  300.00 525.00 5400.00
     Fold     
    xxxRaise  450.00 975.00 12322.50
     Fold     
     Fold     
     Fold     
    shakinaces Call  150.00 1125.00 5250.00
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • 10
    • 2
         
    shakinaces Check     
    xxxBet  1125.00 2250.00 11197.50
    shakinaces Raise  2250.00 4500.00 3000.00
    xxxCall  1125.00 5625.00 10072.50
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    shakinaces All-in  3000.00 8625.00 0.00
    xxxCall  3000.00 11625.00 7072.50
    shakinaces Show
    • Q
    • Q
       
    xxxShow
    • A
    • Q
       
    River
       
    • A
         
    xxxWin Pair of Aces 11625.00  18697.50
    GG me - not convinced I really played it all that well... I still seem to lose way too frequently with QQ/KK/AA which almost certainly means that I'm over-valuing one pair hands.

    I once again doff my cap to the MTT regs, at cash you can just keep on rolling, if people are calling me down with A-high (at the stakes I play) then I'm confident that I can reload and have a good shot of getting my money back...

    Add to that the fact that you can't just take five from your games (as you can from sitting out at cash) and it's fair to assume you need a stronger stomach to keep your head through an MTT session.

    It was good fun overall though, plus I picked up a few quid from the mini last night which must be a first.

    Only downer was an utter moaner just berating the weaker players during DTD1, but meh, whatever floats people's boat. Can't believe why so many 'good' players want the perceived weaker players to cut out limping / stationing, I'd never make any money at cash if those sort of oppos didn't exist :)
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited November 2014
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    £2,482 Not a complete bust in DTD this week, making it to 8th in DTD3 before me and another c.12bb stack got in with my AJ < A6 and gg me DTD2 was going pretty well before I did half my stack with AA on a Qxx x Q run out vs Q9 (for a change, I realised not to bet the river) and then just when I thought I was going to double back up... Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance   Small blind   75.00 75.00 6420.00   Big blind   150.00 225.00 10292.44   Your hole cards Q Q       shakinaces Raise   300.00 525.00 5400.00   Fold         xxx Raise   450.00 975.00 12322.50   Fold           Fold           Fold         shakinaces Call   150.00 1125.00 5250.00 Flop     7 10 2       shakinaces Check         xxx Bet   1125.00 2250.00 11197.50 shakinaces Raise   2250.00 4500.00 3000.00 xxx Call   1125.00 5625.00 10072.50 Turn     8       shakinaces All-in   3000.00 8625.00 0.00 xxx Call   3000.00 11625.00 7072.50 shakinaces Show Q Q       xxx Show A Q       River     A       xxx Win Pair of Aces 11625.00   18697.50 GG me - not convinced I really played it all that well... I still seem to lose way too frequently with QQ/KK/AA which almost certainly means that I'm over-valuing one pair hands. I once again doff my cap to the MTT regs, at cash you can just keep on rolling, if people are calling me down with A-high (at the stakes I play) then I'm confident that I can reload and have a good shot of getting my money back... Add to that the fact that you can't just take five from your games (as you can from sitting out at cash) and it's fair to assume you need a stronger stomach to keep your head through an MTT session. It was good fun overall though, plus I picked up a few quid from the mini last night which must be a first. Only downer was an utter moaner just berating the weaker players during DTD1, but meh, whatever floats people's boat. Can't believe why so many 'good' players want the perceived weaker players to cut out limping / stationing, I'd never make any money at cash if those sort of oppos didn't exist :)
    Posted by shakinaces
    Glad you put that in '', as the guy in question is anything but good!
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    £2,454

    Misadventures at the NL20 and an action NL10 table.

    Bad beats in both directions, bad play leading to a £28 loss.

    A hand vs Larson utterly confused me and I leveled myself into thinking he was playing on my nitty image again to get a fold... only for me to call an all in on the turn and bink one of my two outs.  Apologies (your stories of 4 betting me with air a couple of weeks back would have worked were I not a luckbox!)

    This is one of the hands that I misplayed (I think). Oppo is unknown to me.

    Felt like squeeze was almost always the best play here, rather than be oop to 3 players. Plus BB is a solid reg who may have acted to squeeze with worse and left me possibly playing a 3b pot oop and without intiative.

    Not sure about post-flop though.  I mean, I think a c bet is fair here, but with no likely draws (unless they called with 56, which seems unlikely) I'm only getting called by an A or big pairs that think I'll be cbetting any A high flop?

    But the J is always a bad card in this spot... I think?  So in retrospect should I be taking a c/c or even a c/f line more often here (if oppo shoves)?

    Feels like yet another case of getting overly tied to a one pair hand and playing for stacks where I really probably shouldn't.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    shakinaces Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £20.70
     Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £19.80
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
         
     Fold     
    xxxRaise  £0.60 £0.90 £18.22
     Call  £0.60 £1.50 £3.99
    Call  £0.60 £2.10 £19.36
    shakinaces Raise  £3.30 £5.40 £17.40
     Fold     
    xxxCall  £2.80 £8.20 £15.42
     Fold     
     Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • A
    • 4
         
    shakinaces Bet  £4.10 £12.30 £13.30
    xxxCall  £4.10 £16.40 £11.32
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    shakinaces All-in  £13.30 £29.70 £0.00
    xxxAll-in  £11.32 £41.02 £0.00
    shakinaces Unmatched bet  £1.98 £39.04 £1.98
    shakinaces Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    xxxShow
    • J
    • A
       
    River
       
    • 10
         
    xxxWin Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks £37.24  £37.24
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    A prize for anyone that can hand read this and guess the oppos cards in this spot :)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
     Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £8.41
    oppoBig blind  £0.10 £0.20 £9.50
      Your hole cards
    • 5
    • 4
         
     Raise  £0.20 £0.40 £7.01
    shakinaces Call  £0.20 £0.60 £33.87
     Fold     
    oppoCall  £0.10 £0.70 £9.40
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 3
    • 7
         
    oppoCheck     
     Check     
    shakinaces Bet  £0.50 £1.20 £33.37
    oppoCall  £0.50 £1.70 £8.90
     Fold     
    Turn
       
    • 10
         
    oppoBet  £1.70 £3.40 £7.20
    shakinaces Raise  £3.60 £7.00 £29.77
    oppoAll-in  £7.20 £14.20 £0.00
    shakinaces Call  £5.30 £19.50 £24.47
    oppoShow ?? ??   
    shakinaces Show
    • 5
    • 4
       
    River
              
          
  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,832
    edited November 2014
    Set of 10's with 10d. Can't see him pot bet lead turn with nuts. Maybe J/Qh flush? I'll stick to original guess. 
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014

    It was a way stronger holding than that Craig...

    oppoShow
    • 6
    • 10
       
    shakinaces Show
    • 5
    • 4
       
    River
       
    • J
         
    oppoWin Flush to the Ace £18.10  £18.10
    This is why I still get so confused when trying to place oppos on a viable range - I'd have had to go through almost the whole pack of cards before I'd put that particular combo in his range here :)

    Fun though - an easy 'green circle' addition and look forward to playing as many hands in position vs him as possible!!
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited November 2014
    £2,507

    Thought I may be heading back down against last night, after I lost a couple of 80/20s early on.

    Unlike earlier this week though I felt like I my brain was switched on and I was (largely) avoiding uneccessary puke spots and nicking lots of little pots without showdown, which is always nice.

    Chuck in a couple of oddly sweet spots and I scrape back into the black for the month. Good times.

    And it's the weekend, even better times!

    Caught an article about the upcoming final Derek episode and am very much looking forward to that this Christmas... hoping that they can find a spin-off show for Kev when its done. I somehow missed his Christmas Cracker series on youtube last year and am saving those for viewing through December now I've been made aware of them.

    Maybe one day I'll grow up and be humoured by slightly more mature comedic characters....
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