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Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables

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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    Finally played a bit of Sky yesterday after getting the new laptop... what a novel change to have zero lag and even be able to have 8 tables simultaneously for a brief while.

    Shame I'm still toilet at the game, but being a luckbox I binked another £48 freeroll and made a little bit from the cash tables.

    I was also able to watch a short review of my play, which my windows lappy was incapable of playing fully... if you want to see just how bad I am, click below:

    https://www.pokervip.com/en/coaching-videos/leak-finder-review-shakinaces--deepstack-10nl-to-30nl

    I might record myself more often... even without the comments I can spot errors by watching it back.  Was shouting at the screen to fold at one point... this was recorded a couple of months ago now and I'd like to think I no longer call 3bets oop with AQo when a tight/nitty player 3b from MP :/

    Anyway, the new tech means one less excuse when I fail at DTDs now. So I really need to hurry up and luckbox a win...
  • TENTENTENTENTENTEN Member Posts: 481
    edited January 2015
    gl in the dtds tonight outlaw
  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,832
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    I just figured that in a limped pot, it would be unlikely oppo would have a 6 or a K whereas as BB this could be part of my range... that's what led me to nearly 4b shove the flop but I bottled it. I'm not sure I want to be calling OOP as if they keep firing I could easily be behind / allow them to pick up a pair... I think I'd personally have preferred to lead on the flop now. Either way, still played it poorly in the first place! Having read through 20 or so hands of '1 hand at a time', I'm amazed by how much limping is being recommended / and no 3-betting marginally big hands (QQ-TT and AK-AJ). Runs at odds with my expectations from cash games, but maybe something to try more in MTT to see how it works. Still feels a bit weak to be almost set-mining with QQ, say, but appreciate that the hidden nature of the hand makes an early double or treble up a lot more likely when you do flop a Q / less sigh when you get a random A-high flop. I more question how  close the ranges of oppos in a £2.30 BH compare to those of the $240 type BI event mind...
    Posted by shakinaces
    I meant to comment on this earlier but forgot. When reading this series you have to remember that this is based on 9/10 handed tables so we can use our own experiance and adjust the hands so JJ in a 9 handed tables becomes 88/99 on a 6 max if you get my meaning. So where in a 6 max you can 3 bet JJ in most spots you wouldnt do that in early position in a 9 handed game. Hope I made myself clear? (as mud probably).
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    ty for the gl TTT - alas it never showed up and I monkey spewed with overpairs for what is probably my worst DTD effort to date :(

    DTD3 could have been a saver, but I sort of lost interest after the Outlaw table split and spent more time on a handful of cash tables where I was able to pick up a few buy ins...

    On that note, great to see the site so busy... especially as there was some really poor play knocking around (no, not just from me)... I expected January to be a bit dull with an absence of recs until post-Christmas payday arrived, but the cash tables were great fun yesterday!

    Ah well... maybe next week :/

    WP Harry and Sam for the top 10 finishes yesterday :)
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables : I meant to comment on this earlier but forgot. When reading this series you have to remember that this is based on 9/10 handed tables so we can use our own experiance and adjust the hands so JJ in a 9 handed tables becomes 88/99 on a 6 max if you get my meaning. So where in a 6 max you can 3 bet JJ in most spots you wouldnt do that in early position in a 9 handed game. Hope I made myself clear? (as mud probably).
    Posted by CraigSG1
    Cheers Craig - I'll re-read the book, but I think the hand I was refering to was raised in HJ/CO with hero on CO/BU... I'm sure the AQo off hand was that set up as well?

    The small number of bits and pieces I tried to slip into my game last night, I think, can be considered failures... although will play a couple of deepstacks this week and give them another go.

    It wasn't helped that it was my turn to be butchered by AT, rivering me (with AK and KK respectively) to effectively be KO'd in two MTT last night. Forget strategy, I just need to start playing AT like it's the nuts :)
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015

    With all this odd 'first photo' nonsense on social media, I scrolled back to my first post on facebook last night and it was worded something like.

    "Just dished out the most brutal of double bad beats"

    Nothing changes, I'm still a massive luckbox.

    I feel like I must be in such a minority as well. Almost everyone on Sky, as well as online poker in general, runs so bad all the time. I must be blessed.

    Which is good, or else I'd be down an absolute packet :)

    I did plan to have a night of MTT practice last night, but the leg of a work trip to London that involved catching up with one of data suppliers managed to end in a meeting that massively overran... mainly due to beer becoming involved.

    So when I finally got home in not much of a state for cards, I watched a bit of Sky nosebleeds cash instead.

    Scary numbers. Not sure how true the talk on some of these vids is of a cash game reg dropping c.£20k on NYE but jeez. Their hangover must have been far worse than the booze-inflicted one that most of us woke up with at the start of 2015!

    Interesting to see the top names in action though. Not sure how much of the play is transferable to micro cash but hey, something to aspire to!

    https://www.pokervip.com/en/coaching-videos/blizzy-sky-high-stakes--400nl-to-1000nl

  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    Played a handful of MTT today and bricked all (unsurprisingly, little hungover)... was playing OK in a deepie until I had to go out, not a fan of the mobile poker experience at all and don't intend to be doing that again!

    So many odd spots compared to cash, the stack size thing really plays on my mind and ends up with me playing spew.

    This is one I butchered, I'd leaked a few chips raising pre and having to fold post with people getting it all in with one pair type hands and me being left with A/K-high.

    Since I got short I'd shoved BvB a few times and with worse and was never getting a call, but thought I'd try and get clever the time I get a stronger hand. Bad idea when I'm a fish and don't have the skill for clever:
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    shakinaces Small blind   50.00 50.00 1440.00
    bb Big blind   100.00 150.00 3725.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
         
    MICI Fold        
    stanwasgod Fold        
    Scotth82 Fold        
    billy09 Fold        
    shakinaces Raise   250.00 400.00 1190.00
    bb Call   200.00 600.00 3525.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 10
    • 7
         
    shakinaces Bet   300.00 900.00 890.00
    bb Call   300.00 1200.00 3225.00
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    shakinaces All-in   890.00 2090.00 0.00
    bb Call   890.00 2980.00 2335.00
    shakinaces Show
    • Q
    • A
         
    bb Show
    • 8
    • 6
         
    River
       
    • 9
         
    bb Win Straight to the Jack 2980.00   5315.00
    Guess I should just stick to shoving anything <20bb for now and just be grateful for picking up the occasional 1BB profit!
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    This was another one that I ruined, playing in a £11 BH game. Only called pre due to it being UTG open and figured I could see a low flop and be happy to play, avoid folding worse or getting 4b shoved by UTG and be likely crushed... yes... I probably need to 3b more in MTT... seeing the cards I faced today I probably need to play 88+ like it's the nuts preflop :)

    Given the action after my call, at cash, I'd be happy to fold here (figuring that most time at least one person will have AK/AA/KK in this spot and leave me flipping at best), then take notes and open my calling range as necessary as I play future hands with these guys.

    Of course that's not an option here because the guy that snap called the all in is out and can't donate any more chips.

    Where should my own all in range be in these spots?  Is my nitty QQ really close to the borderline, or should I be calling down to what, 88+, AKo and AQs+?  I'd call the 3b shove figuring it is what it was, a squeeze, but the UTG snap call left me confused.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    sb Small blind   30.00 30.00 1840.00
    DESPARADO Big blind   60.00 90.00 2962.50
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    utg Raise   180.00 270.00 1587.50
    mwh3131a Fold        
    shakinaces Call   180.00 450.00 3337.50
    sb All-in   1840.00 2290.00 0.00
    DESPARADO Fold        
    utg All-in   1587.50 3877.50 0.00
    shakinaces Fold        
    sb Unmatched bet   102.50 3775.00 102.50
    sb Show
    • A
    • 9
         
    utg Show
    • 10
    • Q
         
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 8
    • K
         
    Turn
       
    • 4
         
    River
       
    • 4
         
    sb Win Pair of 4s 3775.00   3877.50
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    The other odd one, in honour of Mrs Duck joining the Outlaws was shoving 22 from the button in an unopened pot with about 15bb and being called by 76o who didn't have much more of a stack than me.

    Alas I don't have Duck Power and was drawing to a chop after a flopped straight lol

    Based on my small sample so far, micro MTT players on Sky are way more gamble-y than their cash counterparts.

    I blow at the discipline still, but if I work to improve my own game then at the moment it feels like there is way easier money to be made... even though the variance is likely to be horrific at times!
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited January 2015
    Shakin, I'd remove that QQ hand if I were you ;)
  • CraigSG1CraigSG1 Member Posts: 1,832
    edited January 2015
    AQ hand I actually think you played it fine. Although if you've been shoving then just keep doing it. 

    QQ hand I think it's a sigh call. Yes your beat or racing sometimes but your ahead too often to fold. 
  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    AQ hand I actually think you played it fine. Although if you've been shoving then just keep doing it.  QQ hand I think it's a sigh call. Yes your beat or racing sometimes but your ahead too often to fold. 
    Posted by CraigSG1
    Fist pump call for me! :)
  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited January 2015
    Hey Mike

    With 15 bigs, i'd be jamming

    QQ would be totally dependant on reads. Like tight player/ maniac.
  • Matt237Matt237 Member Posts: 1,785
    edited January 2015
    QQ pretty easy call, helped by the fact we cover them both by 1.5k IMO
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    Shakin, I'd remove that QQ hand if I were you ;)
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    It's cool H, I'm big enough and ugly enough to put hands up for review and take criticism without resorting to
     



    Am never going to improve by only putting up brag hands and coolers, am I?
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    TY all for the feedback on the hands above.

    I was just guilty of over-thinking things again... and evidently giving way too much credit to the standard of players in £11 games.  It would be a snap call in the usual micro games / freerolls I've played.

    So how wide should I be calling with in this sort of spot?  Obviously easy to be results orientated based on this hand, but against a standard unknown UTG open... AQs and TT+?  Wider/tighter?
  • samantha25samantha25 Member Posts: 1,445
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    ty for the gl TTT - alas it never showed up and I monkey spewed with overpairs for what is probably my worst DTD effort to date :( DTD3 could have been a saver, but I sort of lost interest after the Outlaw table split and spent more time on a handful of cash tables where I was able to pick up a few buy ins... On that note, great to see the site so busy... especially as there was some really poor play knocking around (no, not just from me)... I expected January to be a bit dull with an absence of recs until post-Christmas payday arrived, but the cash tables were great fun yesterday! Ah well... maybe next week :/ WP Harry and Sam for the top 10 finishes yesterday :)
    Posted by shakinaces

    If you stop folding QQ you may fair better ;) altho, heard that once someone folded KK :)

  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    And just to confirm that it's not just MTTs where I struggle to correctly assign a range to UTG opens...

    I probably should have guessed I was beat when he led the turn and just called and just checked back the river?

    No option but to lol at the end of the hand. WP sir. Shakinces well and truly pwned :)
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Gazzatron1 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £8.68
    LJHAlmight Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £24.21
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    xxxRaise  £0.40 £0.55 £7.11
    wilcox33 Fold     
    longman912 Fold     
    shakinaces Raise  £1.10 £1.65 £20.49
    Gazzatron1 Fold     
    LJHAlmight Fold     
    xxxCall  £0.70 £2.35 £6.41
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 9
    • 3
         
    xxxBet  £0.60 £2.95 £5.81
    shakinaces Raise  £1.50 £4.45 £18.99
    xxxCall  £0.90 £5.35 £4.91
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    xxxBet  £1.30 £6.65 £3.61
    shakinaces Raise  £3.30 £9.95 £15.69
    xxxCall  £2.00 £11.95 £1.61
    River
       
    • 5
         
    xxxCheck     
    shakinaces Bet  £5.98 £17.93 £9.71
    xxxAll-in  £1.61 £19.54 £0.00
    shakinaces Unmatched bet  £4.37 £15.17 £14.08
    xxxShow
    • 3
    • 9
       
    shakinaces Show
    • K
    • K
       
    xxxWin Two Pairs, 9s and 3s £14.03  £14.03
  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables : If you stop folding QQ you may fair better ;) altho, heard that once someone folded KK :)
    Posted by samantha25
    To be fair Sam, KK is pretty much the same as 22 once two people are already all in :)
  • samantha25samantha25 Member Posts: 1,445
    edited January 2015
    JUST LOOOOOOL :) 

    GL tonite dude, I would like a brag post here sometime soon!
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