I'm having trouble understanding how the new scheme works. Please can you tell me the yearly rack back amounts!
How much rake back per year would I get for earning 30,000 points a month under the old scheme (assuming no promotion like early bird, double points hour, etc)?
How much rake back per year will I get for earning 30,000 points a month under the new scheme (assuming an even distribution of points per week (6923.077 points per week)?
Under the new scheme how much will someone you sighed up through an affiliate get for earning the same amount of points?
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Which is the exact point I made earlier. Loyalty schemes are generally pretty complicated. For example, I know of other sites where you earn one type of points, which trigger another type of points which are earned at different rates depending on your colume of play, and are worth different amounts, also depending on how much you play, or what you play. I personally think we've created a well structured loyalty scheme which gets people involved, and isn't overly complex. Posted by Sky_JP
TBF that was probably the biggest plus point to the current (soon to be previous) scheme - even a numpty like me could understand how it worked and what I'd get from it!!
Only real surprise is that the big grinders seem to benefit the most, a bit of a reverse of the historic attempts to spread the wealth more so among the recs. Can't really grumble with that though when it comes to a loyalty scheme, put more in, get more out!
JP will SKY be looking at the rake at the micros as part of their changes? It seems to me if you are now wanting micro stakes players to put in more volume to get anything back then making the rake more competitive may be more beneficial than what is being offered with this.
I'm having trouble understanding how the new scheme works. Please can you tell me the yearly rack back amounts! How much rake back per year would I get for earning 30,000 points a month under the old scheme (assuming no promotion like early bird, double points hour, etc)? How much rake back per year will I get for earning 30,000 points a month under the new scheme (assuming an even distribution of points per week (6923.077 points per week)? Under the new scheme how much will someone you sighed up through an affiliate get for earning the same amount of points? Posted by dub1
Hi dub.
It does vary depending on games played, but for this example, I'm going to use someone who plays both cash and SNGs 50/50. (I know this is unusual, but it seems a good example).
Using this example, you'd pay £2,500 rake per calendar month on cash games, and £1,500 rake on SNGs. You would receive a total of £600 in weekly points payments, and receive a rakbeback payment of £600. This totals £1200. (30% RB).
As per the old scheme, you would receive 30% rakeback on the month, earning you a total of £1200.
Customers receiving a 30% rakeback deal from an affiliate will receive a total of £1200 per month.
In all 3 situations, you end up with £14,400 per year.
With the new scheme, you will receive slightly more if you play SNGs/MTTs more frequently, and receive slightly less if you play more cash. This is partially due to more points being earned per £1 reg fee paid on SNGs (which in turn, is partially due to higher rake on SNGs).
However, as part of the new scheme, any points based promotions (such as early bird and double points hours) will make a difference to your rewards, whereas these promotions would make no difference in the old scheme, and will make no difference to customers receiving 30% RB as part of an affiliate deal.
JP will SKY be looking at the rake at the micros as part of their changes? It seems to me if you are now wanting micro stakes players to put in more volume to get anything back then making the rake more competitive may be more beneficial than what is being offered with this. Posted by dabossman
Levels of rake are not something I deal with, but I will make sure the people who do deal with this see your comments.
Does a affiliate member still get 30% if they get say 1000 pts in a month so £30.
I usually get around 1000 pts and have been thinking about the new scheme. I think it will be slightly better for me as: -
The 4 tokens i get will probably be used on dyms anyway, so in the 48 lets say i get in the year i should average cashing at least 24 of them giving me £8 a month anyway. Also the 5 FRs may bring a bonus as well.
But heres the thing there is no incentive for me now once i hit 100pts for the week i may as well cut my volume down or play elsewhere for a couple of days and get another bonus from a rival site.
This is just the start of your rewards scheme – we’re looking for your feedback to make this the best rewards scheme we can, so let us know your thoughts.
(taken from the op)
I think it would be unfair to make an assumption of how the majority feel.
What we do know, is that the majority of customers haven't posted on this thread.
(sky JP)
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Only a fraction of 1 percent of the player pool use the forum. Most probably don't know about the changes to rewards yet or understand it if they do. Posted by belsibub
Which is the exact point I made earlier. (sky JP)
I appreciate your efforts on this thread, I really do,but,
Why ask for feedback on the forum and then dismiss it as a small minority just because it is not what the business wants to hear.
thanks again for the time and effort replying to everyone.
Like most people on this site, I'm a recreational player. I don't play enough online for the rakeback to make any substantial difference to my wallet, and if I'm honest, it's not something I pay particular attention to - at all. I'm guessing most others are sharing the same boat. I don't really know why so many people, who just play the game for the fun of it (that is, most of us ) get so hot under the collar about any changes to its implementation. The concept of rakeback is an artificial one anyway: before online poker started there was no such thing. You don't stand up from your cash table in your local casino and expect the dealer to throw you a chip just for sitting down for the last few hours, do you? It's one thing for those who make their living from playing the game to have a quiet moan, but for the other 98% of us, surely it's a shrug of the shoulders and onto the next hand, right? *statistics may have been devised on the spot. Posted by Slipwater
Not a snark at all, but at my local (Grosvenor) casino this is actually the case: Players get £1 per hour for playing that they can spend on food, drink and even (I think) can exchange them for chips.
Props to the Sky dude fielding all these questions. Splendid stuff, wp.
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Not a snark at all, but at my local (Grosvenor) casino this is actually the case: Players get £1 per hour for playing that they can spend on food, drink and even (I think) can exchange them for chips. Props to the Sky dude fielding all these questions. Splendid stuff, wp. Posted by SR23
Just what I was thinking. Get a free meal every time I go to Grosvenor.
This is just the start of your rewards scheme – we’re looking for your feedback to make this the best rewards scheme we can, so let us know your thoughts. (taken from the op) I think it would be unfair to make an assumption of how the majority feel. What we do know, is that the majority of customers haven't posted on this thread. (sky JP) In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Only a fraction of 1 percent of the player pool use the forum. Most probably don't know about the changes to rewards yet or understand it if they do. Posted by belsibub Which is the exact point I made earlier. (sky JP) I appreciate your efforts on this thread, I really do,but, Why ask for feedback on the forum and then dismiss it as a small minority just because it is not what the business wants to hear. thanks again for the time and effort replying to everyone. Posted by dragon1964
Feedback is appreciated, however, some comments have been less than constructive.
When I made that comment, I simply meant that, although there is quite a lot of negative feedback on this thread, it does not mean everyone hates the new scheme.
Apologies if this was taken the wrong way, as all feedback is appreciated.
Does a affiliate member still get 30% if they get say 1000 pts in a month so £30. I usually get around 1000 pts and have been thinking about the new scheme. I think it will be slightly better for me as: - The 4 tokens i get will probably be used on dyms anyway, so in the 48 lets say i get in the year i should average cashing at least 24 of them giving me £8 a month anyway. Also the 5 FRs may bring a bonus as well. But heres the thing there is no incentive for me now once i hit 100pts for the week i may as well cut my volume down or play elsewhere for a couple of days and get another bonus from a rival site. Posted by stuarty117
This is the case, and I can see why this is frustrating for people.
However, this deal has been there for quite a while now, and we're not taking anything from anyone in order to offer this deal.
I think you make some good points around how the new scheme will affect you. In my opinion, I agree that you will be better off.
Additionally, I'd agree that 100 to 500 points per week is quite a big jump. There is an incentive to earn 500 points, but not much for the 200-400 mark.
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : I'm pretty sure that is the exception rather than the rule. I know most places do free soft drinks/hot drinks while you play poker. Posted by Slipwater
I once saved up enough points on my "play card" for a full pint.
A question for Sky JP - did you draw the short straw in the office having to answer queries on this thread? Posted by Brrrrrrr
I can confirm that there was no official "staw drawing" contest, but looking back, I do seem o be dealing with most!
I do have a week off starting in roughly 57 minutes though, so my presence on this thread is likely to diminish for the next 7 days. (Just as a heads up to anyone waiting for a response).
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Hi dub. It does vary depending on games played, but for this example, I'm going to use someone who plays both cash and SNGs 50/50. (I know this is unusual, but it seems a good example). Using this example, you'd pay £2,500 rake per calendar month on cash games, and £1,500 rake on SNGs. You would receive a total of £600 in weekly points payments, and receive a rakbeback payment of £600. This totals £1200. (30% RB). As per the old scheme, you would receive 30% rakeback on the month, earning you a total of £1200. Customers receiving a 30% rakeback deal from an affiliate will receive a total of £1200 per month. In all 3 situations, you end up with £14,400 per year. With the new scheme, you will receive slightly more if you play SNGs/MTTs more frequently, and receive slightly less if you play more cash. This is partially due to more points being earned per £1 reg fee paid on SNGs (which in turn, is partially due to higher rake on SNGs). However, as part of the new scheme, any points based promotions (such as early bird and double points hours) will make a difference to your rewards, whereas these promotions would make no difference in the old scheme, and will make no difference to customers receiving 30% RB as part of an affiliate deal. Hope this helps. Posted by Sky_JP
Hey JP,
While I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions, I still feel you're somewhat avoiding a clear answer.
So from what I understand, for every £1 paid in rake I get 6 poker points (strictly cash lets not confuse with 50% cash, 50% STT's), so if I earn 30,000 poker points in a month; playing only cash games, then I would have paid £5000 in rake per month, of which I get £1500 back at the end of the month (30%).
This totals: £18,000 in rake back per year.
In your answer you say that cash players would get slightly less and MTT/STT players slightly more, but what I would like to know is the exact £ amount a cash game player who earns 30,000 points a month, distributed evenly over the course of 52 weeks (6923.076923076923 points per week) will expect to receive, per year?
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Hey JP, While I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions, I still feel you're somewhat avoiding a clear answer. So from what I understand, for every £1 paid in rake I get 6 poker points (strictly cash lets not confuse with 50% cash, 50% STT's), so if I earn 30,000 poker points in a month; playing only cash games, then I would have paid £5000 in rake per month, of which I get £1500 back at the end of the month (30%). This totals: £18,000 in rake back per year. In your answer you say that cash players would get slightly less and MTT/STT players slightly more, but what I would like to know is the exact £ amount a cash game player who earns 30,000 points a month, distributed evenly over the course of 52 weeks (6923.076923076923 points per week) will expect to receive, per year? Thanks for your patience. Posted by dub1
Hi Dub,
At the mo you would recieve £1500 and the new system you will get £1350.
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Only real surprise is that the big grinders seem to benefit the most, a bit of a reverse of the historic attempts to spread the wealth more so among the recs. Can't really grumble with that though when it comes to a loyalty scheme, put more in, get more out!
This is just the start of your rewards scheme – we’re looking for your feedback to make this the best rewards scheme we can, so let us know your thoughts.
Posted by belsibub
New? Yes
Improved? No
Some great constructive criticism on this thread, just hope Sky take some of it on board.