In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : I'm pretty sure that is the exception rather than the rule. I know most places do free soft drinks/hot drinks while you play poker. Posted by Slipwater
If you enter a tournament, get knocked then play five hours cash, that gets you more ponits than it takes to pay for a £10 meal. At least I presume it does because I haven't paid for a meal for over two years now. This is on top of frew soft drinks.
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Hey JP, While I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions, I still feel you're somewhat avoiding a clear answer. So from what I understand, for every £1 paid in rake I get 6 poker points (strictly cash lets not confuse with 50% cash, 50% STT's), so if I earn 30,000 poker points in a month; playing only cash games, then I would have paid £5000 in rake per month, of which I get £1500 back at the end of the month (30%). This totals: £18,000 in rake back per year. In your answer you say that cash players would get slightly less and MTT/STT players slightly more, but what I would like to know is the exact £ amount a cash game player who earns 30,000 points a month, distributed evenly over the course of 52 weeks (6923.076923076923 points per week) will expect to receive, per year? Thanks for your patience. Posted by dub1
No problem. I used that example because it's not uncommon for customers to play both (although it's rarely 50/50).
Without any of the advantages from "points boosting" promotions, playing cash alone, you'd be set to receive around £150 per month less than you currently earn. (£1,350 per month, or £16,200 per year).
I would like to stress that points based promotions will make a big difference to this, whereas these made very little difference previously.
I'm sure you have done the maths but you will recieve £16,200 per year rather than £18,000. Maybe cancel that summer hol and save the £1800. Posted by Donttelmum
Thanks for the clear answer DTM.
Just to clarify, a player who sighed up through an affiliate and plays the exact same volume will still be receiving £18,000 in rake back per year?
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Thanks for the clear answer DTM. Just to clarify, a player who sighed up through an affiliate and plays the exact same volume will still be receiving £18,000 in rack back per year? Posted by dub1
Really like Ivan's idea of a small % increase for every month you maintain priority status and cap it a 18 months or so. I think this would be a good incentive for those who have been in priority consistently to hit 10k each month as to not lose their improved %.
Similar to priority a few years back under the old system where they had a separate 3+months rake-back rate.
I'm really not sure why everyone is complaining......it is new and improved!!! .............for sky! lol
Its a business guys and with a new takeover the aim will be to improve business....unfortunately for us it has meant reducing costs, but in a jazzed up way to make it not seem so clear.
For Skys sake I hope it doesnt backfire.
The cash for points on sky imo was better for the customer. Remember the rake we pay on sky is higher than other sites alreadyso to me this is effectiely a rake increase!
Still love sky though and its still my number 1 and I will post a thread later as to why I think this.
Ger
ps JP Im also on a week off but I will make the effort to post on threads during this week.....haha just kidding with ya .
As someone that works alot of hour during the week i play less than I used to maybe 30mins-1hour at a time predominantly cash.
As recreational cash player it would seem that I get no benefit from this new scheme the chances of me earning 500 points a week seem slim as I usually earn around 1000 a month. It seems I can't actually use the rewards in any way on my prefered dicpline of the game.
It feels like instead of half a buy in at the stakes I play. I will now effectivly recieve nothing back.
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : I believe that the new Rewards scheme will benefit these players more than the old one. 200 points in a month would have earned a £2 bonus previously, which I'd argue doesn't go far when it comes to "feeding the professionals", and doesn't really allow for a lot of poker to be played. It's certainly not enough to withdraw. In the new scheme, 200 points in a month could earn you entry into 20 x £1,000 freerolls, or could be rewarded with 2 x £2.20 tokens, and entry into 10 x £1,000 freerolls, depending on when the points are earned. Even if each freeroll had 2,000 runners, each freeroll would (theoretically) be worth £0.50, which would equate to up to £10 in benefits each month, for players earning a total of 200 points in the month. Additionally, £2 may only allow someone to play poker for 1 day, if they were unlucky enough to lose. The freerolls allow customers a full week of poker for earning 50 points in the previous week. Final point I'm going to make, (trying not to get too off track) is that there's a lot of customers who don't play very frequently. They'll come on and play one night, earning 50-99 points. Previously, these customers received nothing from the loyalty scheme. Going forward, they'll have a week of free poker. Posted by Sky_JP
You lost me in the first line
If you have the facility to play whenever you want, it may be a result.
but if you have committments and play for fun
Receiving a cash payment gave you the flexibility to choose when to use it.
you could introduce a thousand freerolls but if the player is not able to play at the times they commence what incentive does it give to the recreational player?
I never thought I would say this, but now Personally, I would rather play on competitor sites than Sky poker. Because it appears loyalty is no longer a premium and smaller customers are treated with contempt rather than assets
As with all changes the players are going to moan more if they are not better off by the change, that's why this thread is unbalanced in that respect. I like many others will benefit from the changes so thank you Sky. Posted by Snuffer
It is no wonder that if you log onto sky poker mid morning u will be met by "175 people seated" when other sites have thousands and games filling every 30 seconds...or afternoons "300 people seated" even prime time poker 2,000 seated in the evenings when other sites have tens of thousands.(a lot of these are newbies coming on with the promise of great things from skysports live shows) i think those that are left now have been very loyal to you sky and in my opinion loyalty should be rewarded back. Freerolls like the mayhem are great, but lets be honest here, only around 300 to 400 are playing in them. in the whole of the u.k some 60 odd million people the mayhem freeroll attracts 3-400 people!!! and thats got the added incentive of extra money for heads and also of a vegas package. which by the way is probably why my AKs shove was seen and beated by 7,3o..but thats by the by...a freeroll is not really doing it for me as it seems we are inundated with them anyway. i would like to know however if this £2.20 token each time can be saved up and used,say ,towards a £55 bounty hunter if 25 were saved ?
It is no wonder that if you log onto sky poker mid morning u will be met by "175 people seated" when other sites have thousands and games filling every 30 seconds...or afternoons "300 people seated" even prime time poker 2,000 seated in the evenings when other sites have tens of thousands.(a lot of these are newbies coming on with the promise of great things from skysports live shows) i think those that are left now have been very loyal to you sky and in my opinion loyalty should be rewarded back. Freerolls like the mayhem are great, but lets be honest here, only around 300 to 400 are playing in them. in the whole of the u.k some 60 odd million people the mayhem freeroll attracts 3-400 people!!! and thats got the added incentive of extra money for heads and also of a vegas package. which by the way is probably why my AKs shove was seen and beated by 7,3o..but thats by the by...a freeroll is not really doing it for me as it seems we are inundated with them anyway. i would like to know however if this £2.20 token each time can be saved up and used,say ,towards a £55 bounty hunter if 25 were saved ? Posted by vinny67
I'm guessing you would prefer a freeroll with 5000 players and a min cash of 12 cents....each to their own I suppose
This is just effectively a rake increase isn't it? I have just compared the payouts and virtually everybody is worse off. I have compared the levels of play and the points people might earn and find there are a few levels where they may get the same (but they have to even it out over the 4 weeks or they could lose out). It would appear the very low levels will get nothing now, some of the medium high bands will lose a lot and what Sky get from that alone will pay for the freerolls many times over. The only real gainers seem to be those that can arrange to make exactly 401 points a week they get 4 tokens worth £8 the other 80p is rake which goes straight back to sky, whereas they would have recieved £4 in rakeback. Is this substantionally correct someone?
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : I'm guessing you would prefer a freeroll with 5000 players and a min cash of 12 cents....each to their own I suppose Posted by Snuffer
Not sure where you got that impression from and what you were actually reading... especially seeing as i said do we really need more freerolls when we seem to be inundated with them.. unless of course u replied after beer oclock in which that would explain your ridiculous responce..
I am really interested that SKY have said that they expect the total cost of Sky Poker rewards to stay the same or increase. Why has nearly every post said thay would be worse off under the new system? Who exactly is better off under the new system? Examples please? What is the new system designed to do and who is it designed to reward?
Below is part of Essex Phils post earlier that I hope he wont mind me using.
50 points per week/200 per month-current system, £2, new £0 300 per week/1200 per month-current £12, new £8,80 in tokens 750 per week/3000 per month-current £45, new £30 1250 per week/5000 per month-current £100, new £62.50 1750 per week/7000 per month-current £140, new £105
So if this is right and you expect the total cost of the rewards to stay the same or even increase for SKY who is the extra cash going to under the new system? If this is wrong then please explain where it is wrong. Thanks Jonjo
I am really interested that SKY have said that they expect the total cost of Sky Poker rewards to stay the same or increase. Why has nearly every post said thay would be worse off under the new system? Who exactly is better off under the new system? Examples please? What is the new system designed to do and who is it designed to reward? Below is part of Essex Phils post earlier that I hope he wont mind me using. 50 points per week/200 per month-current system, £2, new £0 300 per week/1200 per month-current £12, new £8,80 in tokens 750 per week/3000 per month-current £45, new £30 1250 per week/5000 per month-current £100, new £62.50 1750 per week/7000 per month-current £140, new £105 So if this is right and you expect the total cost of the rewards to stay the same or even increase for SKY who is the extra cash going to under the new system? If this is wrong then please explain where it is wrong. Thanks Jonjo Posted by jonjo75
Maybe just me, earn about 100-150 points per week
Current deal I get max £6 rake back
New deal means £8 tokens (minus rake sky make back again) so plus £2 boom!! You lot got to suffer to fund me don't you know plus I will probably win at least 4 free roles a week
I think earlier posts have summarised well, it's the micro loose out, low stakes recs like me playing 2/3 evenings a week mtt's (main mini plus a half 9 etc) gain, 500 points a week gain, it's just the inbetweens that fall short. Very surprised prio loose out though.
So if this is right and you expect the total cost of the rewards to stay the same or even increase for SKY who is the extra cash going to under the new system?
It'll go towards covering the new 15% Tax rate that UK Poker site operators now need to pay.
These (negative) changes were always coming - Sky just took their time implementing it.
The new UK taxation law gives online poker operators a very simple choice. They can either apply for a license and pay the new tax rate, or cease acceptance of UK players
I should note that Sky isn't the only poker site that has had to make some negative changes.
PokerStars had to reduce the VPP (player point) rate.
Mansion Poker and many other sites had to leave the UK market because they didn't want to pay the extra tax.
Obviously Sky need a way to make up for the added tax they are now paying as it's already eating into their profits.
They could either increase the rake or punish player rewards, which is exactly what they have done.
These changes were to be expected but I didn't think they would be this drastic, they are significantly worse and it is an insult that they are labeling it as new and improved when other poker sites have come clean and been honest about the changes.
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As someone that works alot of hour during the week i play less than I used to maybe 30mins-1hour at a time predominantly cash.
As recreational cash player it would seem that I get no benefit from this new scheme the chances of me earning 500 points a week seem slim as I usually earn around 1000 a month. It seems I can't actually use the rewards in any way on my prefered dicpline of the game.
It feels like instead of half a buy in at the stakes I play. I will now effectivly recieve nothing back.
Not a fan of the new scheme my 2p worth
If you have the facility to play whenever you want, it may be a result.
but if you have committments and play for fun
Receiving a cash payment gave you the flexibility to choose when to use it.
you could introduce a thousand freerolls but if the player is not able to play at the times they commence what incentive does it give to the recreational player?
I never thought I would say this, but now Personally, I would rather play on competitor sites than Sky poker. Because it appears loyalty is no longer a premium and smaller customers are treated with contempt rather than assets
Why has nearly every post said thay would be worse off under the new system?
Who exactly is better off under the new system? Examples please?
What is the new system designed to do and who is it designed to reward?
Below is part of Essex Phils post earlier that I hope he wont mind me using.
50 points per week/200 per month-current system, £2, new £0
300 per week/1200 per month-current £12, new £8,80 in tokens
750 per week/3000 per month-current £45, new £30
1250 per week/5000 per month-current £100, new £62.50
1750 per week/7000 per month-current £140, new £105
So if this is right and you expect the total cost of the rewards to stay the same or even increase for SKY who is the extra cash going to under the new system?
If this is wrong then please explain where it is wrong.
Thanks
Jonjo