Concerning the £2.20 token. This could complement the freeroll argument above. However I feel there are two draw backs here. They should be made cumulative to give the Rec even more incentive to keep their business with the site, because saving the tokens for the big shot is much more appealing.
would be really nice to see this implemented. as a Rec player playing small / micro stakes games getting the opportunity to play in a larger stake game would give me something to work towards, rather then the couple of £'s i currently get in bonus just going on my normal low stakes games
I've noticed on the affiliate site they say you can request a "retag" of your account in some cases to get the applicable bonuses. ( We may be able to get your existing poker account retagged to us for a rakeback/VIP program (depending on which network the room is on ). Please fill in the form below and click submit- http://www.raketherake.com/support/retag-requests ). Is this true? Has anybody tried it? Surely a better less risky option than having to cheat the system. Posted by Epoker
They say they cant but kindly let you know that if any family or friends want to open an account that they can.
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Its probably not so much of an issue when you are on 100% rakeback + numerous other extras Matt... if you dont think numbers will drop I think you are wrong. I cant think of one other poker site that NOW does not give its players a better deal than this, tell me why players apart from the ignorant would continue to play here.... industry leading software? .... record breaking guarentees? or non of the above. I had zero problem adding sky to part of my volume and have enjoyed the last year or whatever but this is what is wrong with poker and why less and less players are being attracted to the game. If you want to get on the bandwagon good for you as you have a good deal but you ust surely see where 80% of the people on this thread are coming from? Anyone who puts in decent volume gets 28 - 33% rakeback as standard. What they have done is an insult and to insult our intelligence by telling us it will be better for the vast majority is just wrong and a bad sign of what the future holds. Are you telling me this a positive step? Even Daniel Negranu wouldnt try to put a positive spin on this Posted by Itsover4u
In the words of Homer Simpson "All people can come up with statistics to prove anything, 40% of all people know that"
When having a debate making up numbers really doesn't help you.
Given what you are suggesting, for the avoidance of any doubt I have the same deal as every other player that didn't sign up through one of the RB deal sites.
I win money from the games I play, rakeback is a bonus. I want a RB system that encourages rec players not mass tabling regs. Rec players are the lifeblood of any site. I haven't looked at the system in detail to know if it encourages these players.
I think about overall return when playing on a site, I could give you 100% RB but if the site was full of the best players in the world you wouldn't play on there.
tommyd Concerning the £2.20 token. This could complement the freeroll argument above. However I feel there are two draw backs here. They should be made cumulative to give the Rec even more incentive to keep their business with the site, because saving the tokens for the big shot is much more appealing. would be really nice to see this implemented. as a Rec player playing small / micro stakes games getting the opportunity to play in a larger stake game would give me something to work towards, rather then the couple of £'s i currently get in bonus just going on my normal low stakes games Posted by mac24
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : I think about overall return when playing on a site, I could give you 100% RB but if the site was full of the best players in the world you wouldn't play on there. Posted by MattBates
This. Lots of recreational players (especially ones that don't frequent the fourm) aren't going to see this change and boycott the site. If some good regular players decide to boycott that just means that the reg's that don't boycott are going to play in easier games - which is going to make up for the less rakeback they may be getting.
Itsover4u is right, many will be leaving 1st June. Micro players love the points and the free money each month. The 500 points needed a week to get their current deal is too high for them. Forcing them to leave, not least because the rake is too high anyway let alone without money adding up in the widget. I can tell you nothing much will change instantly on the 1st of June, because every player I have asked has no idea of the changes. As stated here less than 1% of players use this forum. From the 2nd week of June however players are gonna en masse start wondering what the **** is going on with their widget resetting and they'll find out their first week of gaining points was for nothing. Lower stake recs hardly need more freerolls, there are loads of them, where they can get free money already.
If the £2.20 tokens remain could there be a big £2.20 game each night (either new one or improve a current one). Have it highlighted in the lobby, decent guarantee etc.
If the £2.20 tokens remain could there be a big £2.20 game each night (either new one or improve a current one). Have it highlighted in the lobby, decent guarantee etc. Posted by MattBates
Good afternoon Mr Bates.
I have heard their is a £2.20 tournament in the afternoon @2.20 and i think it is a deepstack. All the best. Rainman397.
If the £2.20 tokens remain could there be a big £2.20 game each night (either new one or improve a current one). Have it highlighted in the lobby, decent guarantee etc. Posted by MattBates
Hi Matt
I would probably just use the tokens for my dyms.
But it would be good if sky changed the 8.50pm £2.30 BH to a £2.20 Buy in. It usually gets around 100 to 150 runners i am sure it would get close to 200 with the tokens.
So schedule wouldnt have to change just knock 10p off the rake.
If the £2.20 tokens remain could there be a big £2.20 game each night (either new one or improve a current one). Have it highlighted in the lobby, decent guarantee etc. Posted by MattBates
This is a good idea, although can't see a big guarantee being possible every night, however what about the first Sunday evening after the bonus is paid have a £1K (for a start) gtd for £2.20 and see how that goes.
what are the numbers like on the site at the moment? I've not been playing as much as I used to and feel less connected, but may have lost a bit of poker mojo anyway. presumably there are figures to compare month/month year/year traffic?
1 £5k freeroll with big prizes - ie £1k to the winner - each weekend would have greater appeal to me and provide more incentive to build the require points total. I doubt the prizes in the nightly freeroll will be large enough to tempt me and don't have time to play an mtt each night anyway That is my feedback for a humble rec. My world hasn't ended
freerolls of no interest to me - want to play when I want and generally for specific durations
as long as I can cash prizes in against the sngs I play then fine - but if only 2.20 a pop not so exciting, was that cumulative question ever answered?
all in all, overriding feeling is meh
but that's pretty much my feeling towards sky poker since the channel went - less of a connection
Can't say I am too pleased with the 500-999 points level.
I average about 3300 points per month and now will lose out on about £8 per month as I will only do about 700-850 points per week.
Not really interested in £1k freerolls would rather see rakeback increase slightly especially now that it is 500 points to trigger. Plenty of recreational players will no longer get any kind of rakeback.
Before April 2013 when Rewards replaced Cash For Points it much worse for low volume recreational players. For under 500 points per month you got used to get nothing. I used to earn zero most months under C4P even though I was playing low-stakes MTTs 5 days each week.
March 2013; "450 points this month Sir? Sorry, no cash, no freeroll, no token, no anything for you. Thanks for choosing to play on Sky Poker."
June 2015; "450 points this month Sir? You have earned the right to play in 20x £1,000 freerolls and have been awarded 4x £2.20 tokens. Thanks for choosing to play on Sky Poker".
Did the recs go extinct under C4P? No, though the change to Rewards was much needed and much fairer. So this latest change is hardly a domeday scenario, it's still more rec friendly than C4P.
freerolls of no interest to me - want to play when I want and generally for specific durations as long as I can cash prizes in against the sngs I play then fine - but if only 2.20 a pop not so exciting, was that cumulative question ever answered? all in all, overriding feeling is meh but that's pretty much my feeling towards sky poker since the channel went - less of a connection Posted by uncle0nion
Kind of like sex, but you know, sometimes we have to take what we get.
In Response to Re: New Sky Poker Rewards : Ignorantly; You have only looked at how these changes affect you. Not recreational players who are the very lifeblood of the game. Just you, because you assumed that all players are going to be affected equally but they are not. Best of luck in your future endeavours. Posted by TommyD
FYP TommyD .
Thank you for informing me that the changes will not effect everyone equally, I agree that it was ignorant of me to assume that was the case.
Surely, your not telling me that recreational players are foolish enough to realise that they are paying over the odds for the service that Skypoker provides. 10nl on sky poker is raked at 7.5% with a £1.40 cap (3+ players) compared to Pokerstars which is raked at 4.5% with a £0.60 cap (3-4 players) and a £1.00 cap (5+ players). Effectively customers are paying over 2x the amount per hand to play at Skypoker.
If you want to talk about ecology etc, then lets not promote some sugar coated bonus scheme and ask Sky to lower the rake at the micros which surley would make it much more appealing for recs.
The only reason that I had an issue in the first place was because I think it's unfair for people that open an account through an affiliate; to effectively be paying less rake than people like myself that have played on this site since 2008. I think using the reasoning that it attracts new players is void. 99% of most new players probably arn't even aware that it is possible to sign up through an affiliate. And like you've already stated; the one's that do probably don't bring any revenue to the site.
As for my selfishness it's all good now, I just worked out that if I earn 50,000 points per month I'll get 32% in rakeback which means no more days off for me . See you at the tables!
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We all know what they are suggesting.
When having a debate making up numbers really doesn't help you.
Given what you are suggesting, for the avoidance of any doubt I have the same deal as every other player that didn't sign up through one of the RB deal sites.
I win money from the games I play, rakeback is a bonus. I want a RB system that encourages rec players not mass tabling regs. Rec players are the lifeblood of any site. I haven't looked at the system in detail to know if it encourages these players.
I think about overall return when playing on a site, I could give you 100% RB but if the site was full of the best players in the world you wouldn't play on there.
I have heard their is a £2.20 tournament in the afternoon @2.20 and i think it is a deepstack.
All the best.
Rainman397.
I AVERAGE AROUND 3200 POINTS PER MONTH WHICH NORMALLY GIVES ME 45+ POUNDS IN BONUS.
UNDER THE NEW SCHEME 32OO DIVIDED BY 4 WEEKS = 800 PER WEEK OR 8 POUNDS. TOTALLING 32 POUNDS BONUS.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT THE SCHEME HAS CHANGED IN 2 YEARS OR THEREABOUTS AND BOTH TIMES MYSELF AND LIKEWISE PLAYERS ARE HIT.
I AM STRONGLY THINKING OF GOING ELSEWHERE.
I've not been playing as much as I used to and feel less connected, but may have lost a bit of poker mojo anyway.
presumably there are figures to compare month/month year/year traffic?
That is my feedback for a humble rec. My world hasn't ended
as long as I can cash prizes in against the sngs I play then fine - but if only 2.20 a pop not so exciting, was that cumulative question ever answered?
all in all, overriding feeling is meh
but that's pretty much my feeling towards sky poker since the channel went - less of a connection
I average about 3300 points per month and now will lose out on about £8 per month as I will only do about 700-850 points per week.
Not really interested in £1k freerolls would rather see rakeback increase slightly especially now that it is 500 points to trigger. Plenty of recreational players will no longer get any kind of rakeback.
March 2013; "450 points this month Sir? Sorry, no cash, no freeroll, no token, no anything for you. Thanks for choosing to play on Sky Poker."
June 2015; "450 points this month Sir? You have earned the right to play in 20x £1,000 freerolls and have been awarded 4x £2.20 tokens. Thanks for choosing to play on Sky Poker".
Did the recs go extinct under C4P? No, though the change to Rewards was much needed and much fairer. So this latest change is hardly a domeday scenario, it's still more rec friendly than C4P.