I would also add that BOREDOM is a big killer of bankrolls!! Fact....in my case working shift pattern can mean working through the night or coming home early hours of the morning;I have logged on after work early hours wanting to play a tourney only to find none running that i like and end up clicking ..sky vegas and low stakes roulette ends up not being so low stakes roulette!
I would also add that BOREDOM is a big killer of bankrolls!! Fact....in my case working shift pattern can mean working through the night or coming home early hours of the morning;I have logged on after work early hours wanting to play a tourney only to find none running that i like and end up clicking ..sky vegas and low stakes roulette ends up not being so low stakes roulette! Posted by Any2Suited
No cheap seats at the bingo either.
Thanks for your imput Dave, and I agree with you 100% with regards the boredom aspect. Its different for blokes like us who are caught in between wanted to do really well at poker, but on the other hand just want to play and forget about all the rules that you need to put in place if you are to do well, goes back to the old balance thing I suppose.
I know one thing for sure there wasn't much balance tonight, don't know how many games I played but lord I took a pasting, think I lost last 4 in a row not sure doesn't really matter.
Really happy there is a few more posting on here, good to hear other peoples opinions especially on the mental side of the game, and if anyone has any stories about how they manage there mental game feel free to post.
When we have a bad night, we ALL feel rotten the next day. Been there, done that.
I had a terrible evening on Sunday, played 6 @ £11 & lost FIVE of them. How that? But it happens.
The Diary really helps though.
Take a day off, reinstall discipline & patience modes, engage determination, & get back on the bike.
Interesting you feel not many read the Diary. You'd be surprised. I have a Forum elsewhere & the number of Posts have been falling rapidly. So I reminded people, asked them, to interact more. And the post count shot up by 50%. We live in an age where we read rather than write, someone else provides the entertainment, & we sit back & enjoy it. Plenty read this diary, I'm certain of that.
When we have a bad night, we ALL feel rotten the next day. Been there, done that. I had a terrible evening on Sunday, played 6 @ £11 & lost FIVE of them. How that? But it happens. The Diary really helps though. Take a day off, reinstall discipline & patience modes, engage determination, & get back on the bike. Interesting you feel not many read the Diary. You'd be surprised. I have a Forum elsewhere & the number of Posts have been falling rapidly. So I reminded people, asked them, to interact more. And the post count shot up by 50%. We live in an age where we read rather than write, someone else provides the entertainment, & we sit back & enjoy it. Plenty read this diary, I'm certain of that. Good luck tonight. Posted by Tikay10
Yeah Tikay, I know all about your swings at the dym as I am an avid watcher of them, its amazing how much you pick up about players when your not involved in a game. I am building up a little database of notes with regards the dym players as I am thinking this might be my next challenge. Before when I played them I mixed them with my HU games and that so does not work, your still in hu mode when you fire up a dym and then you get knocked out in 6th 3 hands in. But I am a better player than that, there should be no reason whatsoever that I get knocked out in 6th. I used to love watching Macacgirl when I first learned how to play hilo over 2 years ago, she never ever went out in 6th, the occasional 5th, she just played a real tight game up until the point where she gave herself a good chance at the money. You were the same, One of my first hilo dym games consisted of Tikay, Macacgirl, Arfur myself and not sure of other 2.
I remember thinking to myself, lol what an easy game this is those 3 just keep folding and I am winning every pot. Back then you used to limp into a lot of pots in the early levels, not so sure you do that as much these days, but I remember remarking to you in the chat box, hey your the bloke off the telly that says not to limp at any stage or any level LIMPING IS BAD. And that was my first lesson re: hilo Dym. Totally different game to Holdem, where limping is acceptable at the early levels All this you pointed out to me very graciously. I cashed in that game along with yourself and Karen, hooked ever since.
In a PLO8 DYM, limping IS acceptable - but only up to 25-50 Level, rarely after that. We often see limps even at 150-300 or 200-400, sometimes from a 4 or 5 BB stack. That's just setting fire to money, & is so exploitable. Just jam on them, & they (usually) fold.
They do, on occasion, limp then call a jam. Where's the sense in that? Now they HAVE to win the hand, whereas if they raised or jammed pre, they get TWO ways to win, as they force folds most of the time. "Two ways to win" is absolutely key in poker.
I allow myself a few limps in Levels 1 & 2, but my rule is to stop limping once I'm down to 1,800, & conserve their power until later, when our stack has more value. And if I limp, I can assure you, I have a suited ace & a deuce. Nothing less will do.
Some hands have different values, too. A great example is (say) A-K-Q-2 or similar. Playing this in Level One is fraught with danger, as if we raise, we will likely get 3 callers & if we miss the flop, we are in a world of hurt. I may limp early with it but usually just bin it. However, 4 handed & blinds at 150-300 or above, it's a premium, & we never fold it unless there is strong action from a big stack in front of us. We need it heads up, too.
The players who play these optimally, to my mind, (apologies to those I have forgotten) are Karen (Macacgirl1), Gerardirl, Alexis1976 & a few others. It's lovely to watch them, so efficient.
Good afternoon Kagawa. I read your posts with interest, dont post on it as i am no good at omaha. Looking forward to your comeback. All the best. Rainman397
I have been going through a rough patch of late in my dyms this month. I probably set my standards too high but regardless Im always aiming for strong monthly results. To date Im down 22 dollars this month in dyms which as of 15th Sep I really would be hoping to be up about 60 dollars or so. It is difficult when you log in and lose your first 2 games as then you feel like your playing catch up.
Its fascinating how your mind works because you doubt your ability, I try to remind myself of when I was there in the past and how I pulled through it but yet part of me wonders have I just lost my mojo, are the other players just getting better. So what I did was I watched Grae play a few games as he has been doing very well at plo8 this month and his play reinforced in my mind the correct way to play this dym game.
I have made a few minor tweeks which I think are the difference between winning and losing and there really is such a fine line! My results have improved but then I tend to lose a few again so its gonna be tough but I'm deteremined to turn it around. Importantly for me Im playing with confidence again and yesterday I won 3 from 4 so thats a start.
What I will say is that this is why Im not bored of dyms because when you think you've cracked it,then bad results come along and then you have to prove to yourself that you can be a winning player again and that you can turn it around. New players always make it interesting as for me I wanna prove I can be a winning player against these new players - some of them very good and challenging players.
I will watch your new challenge with great interest as always Kagawa.
Actually you mention your first plo8 dym.
One of my first plo8 dyms I remember was yourself, churchy and 3 others. Anyhow we were on the bubble and me and another were shorties and you were raising alot as big stack, anyhow I shoved with AAxx and you told me off saying I should have folded...haha I still remember to this day! I do understand where you were coming from but one thing I dont like is to have my chips fold away, I'd prefer to lose with a good hand. Anyhow I know you were giving me advice as I was new to plo8 dyms.
Good afternoon Kagawa. I read your posts with interest, dont post on it as i am no good at omaha. Looking forward to your comeback. All the best. Rainman397 Posted by rainman397
Hi Kags Deposit £5.25 5 buyins at 1.05 and i can GTD you will be up to 20 Buyins at least by end of the month. GL hope to see you at the tables soon Posted by stuarty117
Hi Stuarty,
Enough about me, hows your poker going, did you keep up with the Hilo HU yourself, how did you find them ?. Cheers for the compliment.
Hi guys, great reading all the posts. I have been going through a rough patch of late in my dyms this month. I probably set my standards too high but regardless Im always aiming for strong monthly results. To date Im down 22 dollars this month in dyms which as of 15th Sep I really would be hoping to be up about 60 dollars or so. It is difficult when you log in and lose your first 2 games as then you feel like your playing catch up. Its fascinating how your mind works because you doubt your ability, I try to remind myself of when I was there in the past and how I pulled through it but yet part of me wonders have I just lost my mojo, are the other players just getting better. So what I did was I watched Grae play a few games as he has been doing very well at plo8 this month and his play reinforced in my mind the correct way to play this dym game. I have made a few minor tweeks which I think are the difference between winning and losing and there really is such a fine line! My results have improved but then I tend to lose a few again so its gonna be tough but I'm deteremined to turn it around. Importantly for me Im playing with confidence again and yesterday I won 3 from 4 so thats a start. What I will say is that this is why Im not bored of dyms because when you think you've cracked it,then bad results come along and then you have to prove to yourself that you can be a winning player again and that you can turn it around. New players always make it interesting as for me I wanna prove I can be a winning player against these new players - some of them very good and challenging players. I will watch your new challenge with great interest as always Kagawa. Actually you mention your first plo8 dym. One of my first plo8 dyms I remember was yourself, churchy and 3 others. Anyhow we were on the bubble and me and another were shorties and you were raising alot as big stack, anyhow I shoved with AAxx and you told me off saying I should have folded...haha I still remember to this day! I do understand where you were coming from but one thing I dont like is to have my chips fold away, I'd prefer to lose with a good hand. Anyhow I know you were giving me advice as I was new to plo8 dyms. Ger Posted by gerardirl
Very nice post Ger,
That must be over a year ago and I kid you not I remember it like it was yesterday. I also remember Churchy was in agreement with me about it being a fold, think it was one of your first games and you were just making the transition to hilo from Omaha. To tell you the truth it was probably a little bit to do with are noses been out of joint, with this hotshot Omaha player coming over to our game thinking he can be as successful as he is at Omaha, ha as if. You well and truly showed us and we got the picture pretty fast, and whatever runs you go on good or bad your still in the top 3 of hilo dyms players on this site imo.
I am just wondering do you miss the Omaha dyms, do they even run anymore ?
Was enjoying my heads up games tonight, played well in a good few, and I was planning a decent session into the early hours, then I got the most sickening slowroll and it knocked the will to play out of me.
But I am not gonna lie, I have done it to a few opponents in the past and I know its not a nice thing to do, but I have. Don't get me wrong I have not done it often, but after tonight I promised myself I would never do it again.
It seemed busy in the hu games tonight and quite in the dym section. Its amazing how much activity there is there when Tikay is on, he gets the whole thing going. But there was football on aswell so that would explain the lull. Not happy myself with utd result lastnight, but I thought they played decent, liked the look of the 2 young lads up front think that will work out over time, devastated for Shaw, really am without doubt are best player so far this season. Even chatting to a few fans from other clubs today and they were equally as sick about it, nobody wants to see that, whatever team you support.
Anyhow will dust myself down and see what tomorrow night brings.
Was enjoying my heads up games tonight, played well in a good few, and I was planning a decent session into the early hours, then I got the most sickening slowroll and it knocked the will to play out of me. But I am not gonna lie, I have done it to a few opponents in the past and I know its not a nice thing to do, but I have. Don't get me wrong I have not done it often, but after tonight I promised myself I would never do it again. It seemed busy in the hu games tonight and quite in the dym section. Its amazing how much activity there is there when Tikay is on, he gets the whole thing going. But there was football on aswell so that would explain the lull. Not happy myself with utd result lastnight, but I thought they played decent, liked the look of the 2 young lads up front think that will work out over time, devastated for Shaw, really am without doubt are best player so far this season. Even chatting to a few fans from other clubs today and they were equally as sick about it, nobody wants to see that, whatever team you support. Anyhow will dust myself down and see what tomorrow night brings. Kags Posted by _kagawa_
I have to admit, with some embarrassment, that your comment is, to some degree, correct. Partly, it's because as soon as I log in, I reg for all the levels of games I usually play - £3.30, £5.50 & £11. Then, once 3 more reg, & another table spawns, I reg for that, too. People WILL reg if they see someone - anyone - sat at a SNG table.
CL football will not have helped this week, either.
I had planned to play each night this week, but I played a whole lot over the weekend (Double Points), & I've been a bit under the weather this week, with a few (metaphorical) headaches, so I've just been resting up in the evenings.
Don't let the slow-rollers get to you. There are 2 or 3 in the PLO8 games, they do it every time, but I never comment - I suspect that disappoints them.
There is a PLO8 troll, too, who endlessly baits people - especially me - but I just ignore him. There is a chap - real life mate of mine - "mmmchips" who absolutely BOSSES the troll, it's the best & funniest thing ever. The troll does not even realise he is being reverse trolled.
Mr Troll was complaining that I was not chatting the other night. I was 6 tabling, so just typed I AM 6 TABLING. He then replies "no you are not, you are only on one table". So he is a liar as well as a troll. The problem there is that some casual observers might believe him. But mmmchips was in like a flash. He'd checked how many tables I was playing, & typed "no, tikay is on 6 tables". There are some strange people about, eh? Imagine getting pleasure from trolling people.
Won't be naming Mr Troll, but I'd bet good money that folks like Ger, Vespa, Churchy, mmm, Eon & co all know who it is. He's famous for it.
In Response to Re: Kags challenge : No no no, you are not Mr Troll, you are Mr Grumpy, aka Dr Grumpy, aka GP. Posted by Tikay10
LOL at you too.
There is a pair of ye in it far I can see, too grumpy old men Ye should start a combined thread maybe call it, Ramblings of two grumpy old men who you cant teach new tricks to.
Sorry to hear you have your own personal troll Tikay, but I don't think it was right to mention ORFORD, just wasn't right.
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Thanks for your imput Dave, and I agree with you 100% with regards the boredom aspect.
Its different for blokes like us who are caught in between wanted to do really well at poker, but on the other hand just want to play and forget about all the rules that you need to put in place if you are to do well, goes back to the old balance thing I suppose.
I know one thing for sure there wasn't much balance tonight, don't know how many games I played but lord I took a pasting, think I lost last 4 in a row not sure doesn't really matter.
Really happy there is a few more posting on here, good to hear other peoples opinions especially on the mental side of the game, and if anyone has any stories about how they manage there mental game feel free to post.
Thanks again Dave.
Kags
When we have a bad night, we ALL feel rotten the next day. Been there, done that.
I had a terrible evening on Sunday, played 6 @ £11 & lost FIVE of them. How that? But it happens.
The Diary really helps though.
Take a day off, reinstall discipline & patience modes, engage determination, & get back on the bike.
Interesting you feel not many read the Diary. You'd be surprised. I have a Forum elsewhere & the number of Posts have been falling rapidly. So I reminded people, asked them, to interact more. And the post count shot up by 50%. We live in an age where we read rather than write, someone else provides the entertainment, & we sit back & enjoy it. Plenty read this diary, I'm certain of that.
Good luck tonight.
I am building up a little database of notes with regards the dym players as I am thinking this might be my next challenge.
Before when I played them I mixed them with my HU games and that so does not work, your still in hu mode when you fire up a dym and then you get knocked out in 6th 3 hands in.
But I am a better player than that, there should be no reason whatsoever that I get knocked out in 6th.
I used to love watching Macacgirl when I first learned how to play hilo over 2 years ago, she never ever went out in 6th, the occasional 5th, she just played a real tight game up until the point where she gave herself a good chance at the money.
You were the same, One of my first hilo dym games consisted of Tikay, Macacgirl, Arfur myself and not sure of other 2.
I remember thinking to myself, lol what an easy game this is those 3 just keep folding and I am winning every pot.
Back then you used to limp into a lot of pots in the early levels, not so sure you do that as much these days,
but I remember remarking to you in the chat box, hey your the bloke off the telly that says not to limp at any stage or any level LIMPING IS BAD.
And that was my first lesson re: hilo Dym. Totally different game to Holdem, where limping is acceptable at the early levels
All this you pointed out to me very graciously. I cashed in that game along with yourself and Karen, hooked ever since.
Kags
Good Post Jim.
In a PLO8 DYM, limping IS acceptable - but only up to 25-50 Level, rarely after that. We often see limps even at 150-300 or 200-400, sometimes from a 4 or 5 BB stack. That's just setting fire to money, & is so exploitable. Just jam on them, & they (usually) fold.
They do, on occasion, limp then call a jam. Where's the sense in that? Now they HAVE to win the hand, whereas if they raised or jammed pre, they get TWO ways to win, as they force folds most of the time. "Two ways to win" is absolutely key in poker.
I allow myself a few limps in Levels 1 & 2, but my rule is to stop limping once I'm down to 1,800, & conserve their power until later, when our stack has more value. And if I limp, I can assure you, I have a suited ace & a deuce. Nothing less will do.
Some hands have different values, too. A great example is (say) A-K-Q-2 or similar. Playing this in Level One is fraught with danger, as if we raise, we will likely get 3 callers & if we miss the flop, we are in a world of hurt. I may limp early with it but usually just bin it. However, 4 handed & blinds at 150-300 or above, it's a premium, & we never fold it unless there is strong action from a big stack in front of us. We need it heads up, too.
The players who play these optimally, to my mind, (apologies to those I have forgotten) are Karen (Macacgirl1), Gerardirl, Alexis1976 & a few others. It's lovely to watch them, so efficient.
I read your posts with interest, dont post on it as i am no good at omaha.
Looking forward to your comeback.
All the best.
Rainman397
Cheers Rainman
Kags
Enough about me, hows your poker going, did you keep up with the Hilo HU yourself, how did you find them ?.
Cheers for the compliment.
Kags
That must be over a year ago and I kid you not I remember it like it was yesterday.
I also remember Churchy was in agreement with me about it being a fold, think it was one of your first games and you were just making the transition to hilo from Omaha.
To tell you the truth it was probably a little bit to do with are noses been out of joint, with this hotshot Omaha player coming over to our game thinking he can be as successful as he is at Omaha, ha as if.
You well and truly showed us and we got the picture pretty fast, and whatever runs you go on good or bad your still in the top 3 of hilo dyms players on this site imo.
I am just wondering do you miss the Omaha dyms, do they even run anymore ?
Oh yeah before I forget its still a fold.
Kags
Going to try a few of these tonight, don't have the best record in them, but its great fun.
Kags
Tommorow night then, ahem
But I am not gonna lie, I have done it to a few opponents in the past and I know its not a nice thing to do, but I have.
Don't get me wrong I have not done it often, but after tonight I promised myself I would never do it again.
It seemed busy in the hu games tonight and quite in the dym section.
Its amazing how much activity there is there when Tikay is on, he gets the whole thing going.
But there was football on aswell so that would explain the lull.
Not happy myself with utd result lastnight, but I thought they played decent, liked the look of the 2 young lads up front think that will work out over time, devastated for Shaw, really am without doubt are best player so far this season.
Even chatting to a few fans from other clubs today and they were equally as sick about it, nobody wants to see that, whatever team you support.
Anyhow will dust myself down and see what tomorrow night brings.
Kags
CL football will not have helped this week, either.
I had planned to play each night this week, but I played a whole lot over the weekend (Double Points), & I've been a bit under the weather this week, with a few (metaphorical) headaches, so I've just been resting up in the evenings.
Don't let the slow-rollers get to you. There are 2 or 3 in the PLO8 games, they do it every time, but I never comment - I suspect that disappoints them.
There is a PLO8 troll, too, who endlessly baits people - especially me - but I just ignore him. There is a chap - real life mate of mine - "mmmchips" who absolutely BOSSES the troll, it's the best & funniest thing ever. The troll does not even realise he is being reverse trolled.
Mr Troll was complaining that I was not chatting the other night. I was 6 tabling, so just typed I AM 6 TABLING. He then replies "no you are not, you are only on one table". So he is a liar as well as a troll. The problem there is that some casual observers might believe him. But mmmchips was in like a flash. He'd checked how many tables I was playing, & typed "no, tikay is on 6 tables". There are some strange people about, eh? Imagine getting pleasure from trolling people.
Won't be naming Mr Troll, but I'd bet good money that folks like Ger, Vespa, Churchy, mmm, Eon & co all know who it is. He's famous for it.
There is a pair of ye in it far I can see, too grumpy old men
Ye should start a combined thread maybe call it,
Ramblings of two grumpy old men who you cant teach new tricks to.
Sorry to hear you have your own personal troll Tikay, but I don't think it was right to mention ORFORD, just wasn't right.
Kags
I want to build a decent bankroll but I am going to try and do it in stages.
My aim for now is €20- €250,
No timeframe
Level 1 €20- €50 £1.05 hu and £1.15 dyms and 60p dyms.
Level 2 €50- €150 £2.10 hu and £2.25 dyms and all the above.
Level 3 €150- €250 £3.30 dyms and all the above.
Don't care how long this takes but I really want to finish it this time.
Would obviously like a bigger bankroll than €250 but this will be a good start if I can do it.
My aim would be to have a roll big enough to play £11 dyms and hu regularly, without the fear of going broke.
So here we go again, looking forward to it.
Kags
How about this for a start lost 7 of my first 8 games, was down to about €10.
God give me strength, why do these things happen, steadied the ship a bit after that, but my god what a time to to run like that.
Had visions of myself having to reload after day 1, anyhow will update with the stats whenever I stop shaking my head in disbelief.
On a positive note Utd move into second spot, don't ask me how playing the way they do atm.
Really like this Martiel kid, he definitely has something special going on.
Souness reckons he cold and calculating, might be are new Cantona
And Shinji scored today aswell, not too bad a day I suppose all things considered.
Kags