In Response to Re: What database apps on Sky are forbidden, and which permitted? : how? players can opt out of sharkscope and until recently know one was processing sky tournament data. I have been away and have been meaning to post some thoughts on this. It wasn't so long ago that our sky ambassador TK was unhappy in a sharkscope thread when he stated 'they just take it' but somehow is in favour of aussies site despite sky being a non-software site. Nuggy has touched on aussies failure to abide by sky forum guidelines including inflammatory posts (see 'poker whale') and now advertising a third party site for profit. as usual sky haven't been proactive in making it clear what is allowed. I asked customer services to look at the poker whale thread and well....if my name was on that list I'd have exploded! Aussie was asked some time ago by some to opt out but has only provided the option in the last day or 2. why do I need to give you my email to opt out? how do I know that a member wont received my stats when they've paid? there is no regulation. Aussie takes the tournament thread data and processes it, did he ever ask the community or sky if it was ok to do this? his avatar is quite apt really. personally this doesn't affect me much, but I have strong feelings on the matter. if I was a top player, I wouldn't want all the newbs knowing I was the best and visa versa. IMO the tournament thread data should be stopped and all links to aussies site removed, and if any are posted, their forum rights removed. Posted by suzy666
even critical of my avatar. funny. poor kelpies at falkirk. i take it that you willl reduce the frequency of your visits to the website and falkirk..
Hiya Aussie, I have no idea what this 'herocard' is, but I would prefer it if my stats were not recorded and/or reported. Kind Regards in advance Prepared. Posted by prepared
suzy, if i was a top player i would want my stats out there. winners generate interest in games. i dont even play on sky and when aussie released the cards of people like mattbates and divsdreams i was like a kid looking over football stats. it made me want to jump into mtts. the worst thing regs can do for their games is block stats and hide their winnings. recreationals will flock to games where there are big winners and want to play with people who have a big name or reputation. now again i was one of the most critical of aussies 'whale' and 'bully' threads, but the idea of hero cards, presenting the data that is already out there in a cool and user friendly way is a boss way for sky and the regs to generate interest in games. all the data is already out there. aussie has no back-door into sky. he merely collates the results from lobbies then goes to work in producing some really cool data. that data will have some at the table usefulness. but nothing in the same catagory of a HUD or HH database. but really it is just a cool and unique service that people shouldnt worry about, certainly not regs. they should be praying for people to be able to see their success and hope that people take an iterest in their games. sky should hope the site catches interest from outside the skypoker community too. Posted by TeddyBloat
fair enough, if you are uncomfortable then its a problem for you. sky could if they wanted prevent sharkscope from publishing data, they could also bar aussie. i'd argue they wont as it is great publicity. its called graph-**** for a reason. look at any pgc thread over over on 2+2 and the most common request off people is for graphs. aussie's site promotes skypoker. he doesnt direct anyone specifically to the paywall, provides the juiciest hero cards that generate most interest and positive publicity for free [that of the crushers] and the whole thing seems like a labour of love. you sky peeps should be properly buzzing that such a service exists for you and the site. any MTT regs should welcome the postive interest in your games his site will generate. sky should promote the site for him. Posted by TeddyBloat
Luckily for me i prefer playing live. Nice 3 way chop today as well. I can live without online poker if i have to. I'd rather not as i rather like sky but I'm happy to make my decision around the pros and cons of playing on sky based on what the environment is like. Posted by GELDY
In Response to Re: What database apps on Sky are forbidden, and which permitted? : even critical of my avatar. funny. poor kelpies at falkirk. i take it that you willl reduce the frequency of your visits to the website and falkirk.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kelpies Posted by aussie09
I see the only part of my comment you actually replied to was the part about your avatar which looks like a Trojan horse.
in response to teddy's comments. I can see why you think aussie's cards etc were promoting sky. players asked for this and the cards were published with their consent. the cards of the top players are inspiring. but it hasn't stopped there. the vast majority of aussies DB is made up without their knowledge or consent.
does anyone really play on sky because of their 'top' players? ask a newb if they joined because they saw mattbates player card or is it because they want to be more like negreanu?
anyhow, i'll bow out of this discussion, but it seems to me the only strong defender of the aussie site is teddy who admits he rarely plays on sky, and long term regs such as lambo and geldy can see why it is not entirely fair/right.
Why is aussie replying all nice and polite to people, it doesnt seem sincere. He wont answer the questions that dont suit .Anyone would think he is trying to sell a business, oh wait he is, my bad.
Aussies site seems to have caused a HUGE divide on the forum. I'm on the fence really, not too bothered about it either way.
MY only gripe is regarding comments made eariler in the thread about the fact that Aussie has been a regular poster so it's fine for him to promote the site, whereas a new poster would have his posts removed. This for me is wrong.
I can't see how it's right for there to be a "one rule for one and another rule for another" ruling. Overall there does seem to be a lot of unrest regarding the site.
The people who are in favour of this site know how to access it by now, so would it not be best to stop any further promoting of the site here on Sky to avoid further unrest?
ah, more school playground talk. sincerely. Posted by aussie09
Ger has a point Aussie
Also i dont think you havnt replied to anything Geldy has said. The old thread that he dug up is very interesting as it was said: -
A opt in option is better than having to opt out. It also has alot more details but i suppose peoples opinions can change.
Also in the sky community guidelines it says
Links
Links to sites which seek to gain commercially from the link being there will be removed and users are asked to refrain from posting them. For example, posting to a competitor’s website would very much be a no-go. Posting of links to external sites will be permitted if doing so adds something to the quality of the discussion. Posting YouTube links is fine as long as the videos are not deemed to be in favour of competitors – so again, posting a link to a poker show which is heavily branded by another online poker room will soon find itself removed. Please use some judgment when posting links.
Yes the site may not gain massive commercially just yet but by posting it on the forum everyday will really help.
he has a point? his point was a personal criticism and questioning my sincerrity. ger's last post was just an insult and nothing else.
for your information, i have taken time to answer the majority of posts, but chosen not to from those who resort to being abusive or who want to create an argument. i am not putting any effort into responding to those.
the old thread was nothing to do with me and i see no need to comment.
you post about links, which says, "posting to a competitor's website ..." etc. my website is not a competitor's website. and says, "posting of links to external sites will be permitted if doing so adds something... " my website does. It says, "please use some judgement when posting links". This is where we are, without insults, judge for oneself.
posting on the forum is one way people can find information on sky poker tournament results, player leagues, hero cards, UKOPS and other stuff. but it is only one way. people don't need to go from the forum to find the website. google, yahoo, facebook, twitter and other social media, indeed other poker forums, carry far more people to the website than this forum. know also that competitor websites are keen for me to carry their corporate messages but i have declined those opportunities.
asserting that i am not sincere is unfair. unacceptable.
stuarty he has a point? his point was a personal criticism and questioning my sincerrity. ger's last post was just an insult and nothing else. for your information, i have taken time to answer the majority of posts, but chosen not to from those who resort to being abusive or who want to create an argument. i am not putting any effort into responding to those. the old thread was nothing to do with me and i see no need to comment. you post about links, which says, "posting to a competitor's website ..." etc. my website is not a competitor's website. and says, "posting of links to external sites will be permitted if doing so adds something... " my website does. It says, "please use some judgement when posting links". This is where we are, without insults, judge for oneself. posting on the forum is one way people can find information on sky poker tournament results, player leagues, hero cards, UKOPS and other stuff. but it is only one way. people don't need to go from the forum to the website. facebook, twitter and other social media carry far more people to the website. competitor websites are keen for me to carry their corporate messages but i have declined those opportunities. asserting that i am not sincere is unfair. unacceptable. Posted by aussie09
If this is the case then all more reason to stop promoting the site on the forum, given the unrest it has caused?
how many people post links to sharkscope in their diary?
lets turn it around. given that sk already allow links to commercial player-results databases [sharkscope], why should they make a special case and ban links aussies?
why are people more concerned about aussie's site than sharkscope?
one good reason for sky allowing both links to scope and aussie's site is they also gain commercially from the interest those sites generate.
only one site currently have an opt-in policy for scope and that is stars. 888 recently went back to opt-out and WPN allowed scope to publish their results. i'd strongly argue that scope generates interest in poker and is a very positive thing.
i'm genuinely perplexed as to why people who are ok with sharkscope are against aussie's site.
In Response to Re: What database apps on Sky are forbidden, and which permitted? : If this is the case then all more reason to stop promoting the site on the forum, given the unrest it has caused? Posted by waller02
so, by that, are you proposing that we make it more difficult for players on sky poker to access this information from this forum or make it easier?
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even critical of my avatar. funny. poor kelpies at falkirk. i take it that you willl reduce the frequency of your visits to the website and falkirk..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kelpies
with pleasure, it is done.
regards
rob
thanks ted.
in response to teddy's comments.
I can see why you think aussie's cards etc were promoting sky.
players asked for this and the cards were published with their consent.
the cards of the top players are inspiring. but it hasn't stopped there.
the vast majority of aussies DB is made up without their knowledge or consent.
does anyone really play on sky because of their 'top' players?
ask a newb if they joined because they saw mattbates player card or is it because they want to be more like negreanu?
anyhow, i'll bow out of this discussion, but it seems to me the only strong defender of the aussie site is teddy who admits he rarely plays on sky, and long term regs such as lambo and geldy can see why it is not entirely fair/right.
sigh. i am just being polite gerald.
You are in a wolrd of tloubre now.
ah, more school playground talk.
sincerely.
Cone on Gents, we really do want to have a good debate on this (as I noted earlier in the thread), let's not start getting personal.
Links
Links to sites which seek to gain commercially from the link being there will be removed and users are asked to refrain from posting them. For example, posting to a competitor’s website would very much be a no-go. Posting of links to external sites will be permitted if doing so adds something to the quality of the discussion. Posting YouTube links is fine as long as the videos are not deemed to be in favour of competitors – so again, posting a link to a poker show which is heavily branded by another online poker room will soon find itself removed. Please use some judgment when posting links.
Yes the site may not gain massive commercially just yet but by posting it on the forum everyday will really help.
stuarty
he has a point? his point was a personal criticism and questioning my sincerrity. ger's last post was just an insult and nothing else.
for your information, i have taken time to answer the majority of posts, but chosen not to from those who resort to being abusive or who want to create an argument. i am not putting any effort into responding to those.
the old thread was nothing to do with me and i see no need to comment.
you post about links, which says, "posting to a competitor's website ..." etc. my website is not a competitor's website. and says, "posting of links to external sites will be permitted if doing so adds something... " my website does. It says, "please use some judgement when posting links". This is where we are, without insults, judge for oneself.
posting on the forum is one way people can find information on sky poker tournament results, player leagues, hero cards, UKOPS and other stuff. but it is only one way. people don't need to go from the forum to find the website. google, yahoo, facebook, twitter and other social media, indeed other poker forums, carry far more people to the website than this forum. know also that competitor websites are keen for me to carry their corporate messages but i have declined those opportunities.
asserting that i am not sincere is unfair. unacceptable.
lets turn it around. given that sk already allow links to commercial player-results databases [sharkscope], why should they make a special case and ban links aussies?
why are people more concerned about aussie's site than sharkscope?
one good reason for sky allowing both links to scope and aussie's site is they also gain commercially from the interest those sites generate.
only one site currently have an opt-in policy for scope and that is stars. 888 recently went back to opt-out and WPN allowed scope to publish their results. i'd strongly argue that scope generates interest in poker and is a very positive thing.
i'm genuinely perplexed as to why people who are ok with sharkscope are against aussie's site.