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Phantom's Practice Perms

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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited June 2017
    Saw a post that's gone from you Vaigret. Didn't perm 2 bust LEG 3?
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  • vaigretvaigret Member Posts: 16,380
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    Saw a post that's gone from you Vaigret. Didn't perm 2 bust LEG 3?
    Posted by StayOrGo
    yes you did Graham and after posting I thought I had better double check  and

    no you were right all along Graham I mAde same error as Phantom
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited June 2017
    I expect I am wrong hard to follow on phone. Much easier when i can tick them off spreadsheet.


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  • vaigretvaigret Member Posts: 16,380
    edited June 2017
    I think he is still in four with perm 3 & 6 having two places in 7.25
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  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,320
    edited June 2017
    sigh........ nearly.

    Decided to let it run coz extra place race so 4 places out of 11 runners for place part of treble and good chance of win too as horse was backed.... and it was using my £5 SKY FREE BET.

    Madea profit at least.

    GOOD LUCK with PLACEPOT PHANTS.... I still feel that shortish priced horses in multi perms won't be cost effective , but I'm interested to see if I'm proved wrong. I'd always prefer doing 1 perm with a BANKER, or 2 or 3 in each race. 
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited June 2017
    Right combos in right perms for LEG 4 P66. Some colour coding to assist. RED is where you bust, BLUE = through, YELLOW a double up.

     
    EQUITY PERM 1 PERM 2 PERM 3 PERM 4 PERM 5 PERM 6 PERM 7 PERM 8 TOTAL POOL/UNITS LEFT











    PERM COST £6.40 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £40.00 £75,291.28











    EQUITY BEFORE START £4.48 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £28.00 £54,963.00











    AFTER LEG 1 £7.05 £2.64 £2.64 £1.76 £5.29 £2.64 £2.64 £5.29 £29.95 £49,878.79
    AFTER LEG 2 £12.46 £9.34 £4.67 £3.11 £9.34 £9.34 £4.67 £0.00 £52.93 £14,119.18
    AFTER LEG 3 £12.29 £0.00 £4.61 £3.07 £0.00 £6.15 £0.00 £0.00 £26.12 £7,153.65
    AFTER LEG 4 £12.02 £0.00 £9.02 £6.01 £0.00 £12.02 £0.00 £0.00 £39.07 £3,656.92
    AFTER LEG 5









    AFTER LEG 6









    G
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited June 2017
    Oh dear. BUSTIO.

    Thanks for the illustrations G.
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited June 2017
    UL in LEG 5, that's my nemesis LEG too.

    I am sure you don't need to see this, but just so you can see what happened in each LEG.

    UL m8
    EQUITY PERM 1 PERM 2 PERM 3 PERM 4 PERM 5 PERM 6 PERM 7 PERM 8 TOTAL POOL/UNITS LEFT











    PERM COST £6.40 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £40.00 £75,291.28











    EQUITY BEFORE START £4.48 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £3.36 £28.00 £54,963.00











    AFTER LEG 1 £7.05 £2.64 £2.64 £1.76 £5.29 £2.64 £2.64 £5.29 £29.95 £49,878.79
    AFTER LEG 2 £12.46 £9.34 £4.67 £3.11 £9.34 £9.34 £4.67 £0.00 £52.93 £14,119.18
    AFTER LEG 3 £12.29 £0.00 £4.61 £3.07 £0.00 £6.15 £0.00 £0.00 £26.12 £7,153.65
    AFTER LEG 4 £12.02 £0.00 £9.02 £6.01 £0.00 £12.02 £0.00 £0.00 £39.07 £3,656.92
    AFTER LEG 5 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 N/A
    AFTER LEG 6 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 N/A
    I'll send you the spreadsheet.

    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited June 2017
    Hi P66.

    I think I know how to semi automate this.

    I will try and do it later tonight.

    In the meantime if you do anything with it that may assist, please email it to me.

    I will post on this thread when I start to work on it so that we don't duplicate effort.

    Cheers,

    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    PS Excel tip.... To easily calculate the number of lines in a perm from the table above I use the LEN function which calculates the number of digits (or characters - so will work with ABC) in a cell. So the "Lines" formula, e.g for Perm1 is =LEN(B4)*LEN(B5)*LEN(B6)*LEN(B7)*LEN(B8)*LEN(B9) Where B4 is the cell containing 12 for the 1st Perm and the 2.30 race
    Posted by Phantom66
    Thanks for this, very useful. I just have to watch for trailing spaces and when I choose the FAVOURITE, I just put an X.

    Cheers,

    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    Hi P66. I think I know how to semi automate this. I will try and do it later tonight. In the meantime if you do anything with it that may assist, please email it to me. I will post on this thread when I start to work on it so that we don't duplicate effort. Cheers, G
    Posted by StayOrGo
    OK, I am working on this now, will email you my results.
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited June 2017
    Hi P66.

    OK I have automated most of it.

    I will send you the starting spreadsheet, and then six more showing how it should be updated LEG by LEG.

    the important thing is to only update fields in ORANGE otherwise the formulas will get messed up.

    I am having trouble "protecting the cells", so have put cells in ORANGE that are manually updated, the rest should populate automatically.

    On each sheet there are two versions. The top one is the one generated automatically by the formulas the bottom one is my manual version to use as a cross reference check. There are some minor differences in values due to rounding, with the automated one being more accurate.

    Note that until the "UNITS LEFT" field is populated, it shows as an error due to trying to divide by zero.

    Let me know your thoughts.

    Cheers,

    G
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  • StayOrGoStayOrGo Member Posts: 12,181
    edited June 2017
    FYI, Wynne, I can send you these spreadsheets too if interested.

    Cheers,

    G
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  • wynne1938wynne1938 Member Posts: 20,556
    edited June 2017
    Thanks 
    Graham
    I am interested
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited June 2017
    Thanks G.

    I'll have a look and get back to you later.

    Without looking I know I can fix the divide by zero error.
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited June 2017
    Todays attempt at Doncaster.

    Selections

      30th June Doncaster        
    £0.10 per line PLACEPOT ENTRIES      
                 
    TIME Sel 1 Sel 2 Sel 3 Sel 4 Sel 5 Sel 6
    14.00 Jane Rose Eirene Peace Prevails Sardenya    
    14.30 Learn by Heart One Second Porth Swtan El Chapo    
    15.00 Flood Defence Bright Boy Jack Nevison Ashwaq Mr Cool Cash Size Matters
    15.30 Century Dream Mulazim Mustarrid Helovaplan    
    16.00 What a Home Superiority Complex Kitty Boo Sugar Drop    
    16.30 Braes of Lockhalsh Fire Jet Itlaaq Incus    
    		     
             

    Perms

      PERM              
      1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
                     
    14.00 12 13 23 234 24 1 14 12
    14.30 1 12 1 13 23 14 24 23
    15.00 12 234 13 15 135 246 24 16
    15.30 12 13 23 1 24 13 124 1
    16.00 12 13 234 14 12 23 1 13
    16.30 123 1 23 34 1 12 24 134
                     
    Lines 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48
          Lines 384        
          COST £38.40        
    I'll aim to follow results with G's equity calculator.

    GL All.
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  • vaigretvaigret Member Posts: 16,380
    edited June 2017
    In Response to Re: Phantom's Practice Perms:
    Todays attempt at Doncaster. Selections   30th June Doncaster         £0.10 per line PLACEPOT ENTRIES                     TIME Sel 1 Sel 2 Sel 3 Sel 4 Sel 5 Sel 6 14.00 Jane Rose Eirene Peace Prevails Sardenya     14.30 Learn by Heart One Second Porth Swtan El Chapo     15.00 Flood Defence Bright Boy Jack Nevison Ashwaq Mr Cool Cash Size Matters 15.30 Century Dream Mulazim Mustarrid Helovaplan     16.00 What a Home Superiority Complex Kitty Boo Sugar Drop     16.30 Braes of Lockhalsh Fire Jet Itlaaq Incus                             Perms   PERM                 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8                   14.00 12 13 23 234 24 1 14 12 14.30 1 12 1 13 23 14 24 23 15.00 12 234 13 15 135 246 24 16 15.30 12 13 23 1 24 13 124 1 16.00 12 13 234 14 12 23 1 13 16.30 123 1 23 34 1 12 24 134                   Lines 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48       Lines 384               COST £38.40         I'll aim to follow results with G's equity calculator. GL All.
    Posted by Phantom66
    GOOD LUCK
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited June 2017
    TY

    Still in 6 perms after LEG 2.

    Working on automating the equity sheet and will hopefully have an update on that before the meeting is over or I am out.
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited June 2017
    Still in Perms 1,3,4 and 8 after leg 4
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  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited June 2017
    If the table below is correct then I have cracked the equity spreadsheet, if not help!

    EQUITY PERM 1 PERM 2 PERM 3 PERM 4 PERM 5 PERM 6 PERM 7 PERM 8 TOTAL POOL/UNITS LEFT
                         
    COST £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £4.80 £38.40 £100,203.76
                         
    Start Equity £3.50 £3.50 £3.50 £3.50 £3.50 £3.50 £3.50 £3.50 £28.03 £73,148.74
                         
    Leg 1 £4.29 £0.00 £4.29 £5.72 £8.58 £0.00 £4.29 £4.29 £31.46 £56,053.51
    Leg 2 £5.07 £0.00 £5.07 £3.38 £5.07 £0.00 £2.54 £2.54 £23.66 £47,425.41
    Leg 3 £7.17 £0.00 £7.17 £4.78 £4.78 £0.00 £0.00 £7.17 £31.07 £16,771.79
    Leg 4 £7.31 £0.00 £7.31 £9.74 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £14.62 £38.98 £8,226.24
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