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  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,408
    Leave the kids alone......


  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,408
    Kamaltoe in charge


  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,408
  • Red_KingRed_King Member Posts: 2,850
    VespaPX said:

    The FDA describe it's "oversight capacity as severely under-resourced" .
    Posted this link a few days ago
    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
    Whistle-blower files complaint with FDA regarding Pfizer trials data integrity,
    FDA acknowledges complaint about testing regarding concerns and falsified data,
    Coincidentally, Complainer gets sacked next day,
    FDA subsequently audit Pfizer trials, but not complainents' site, then approve vaccine.
    Only 9 of 153 trial sites were inspected. Could be why, no data!
    Since this, Pfizer have contracted the same company to research 4 more vaccines.


  • stokefcstokefc Member Posts: 7,831
    edited November 2021
  • Red_KingRed_King Member Posts: 2,850
    edited November 2021
    Essexphil said:

    Red_King said:

    World’s Leading ICU Doctor Files Lawsuit Against Hospital System After Being Barred from Administering Proven COVID-19 Treatments

    https://www.yahoo.com/now/flccc-tells-children-health-defense-144600640.html

    Where to start>

    1. This is about ivermectin. A useful drug. If you have worms. Or a Virus
    2. What on earth is the "world's leading ICU doctor"? a Front Line medical Professor no less
    3. "Proven COVID-19 Treatments?" He came up with this so-called proof. In an article where he uses 191"patients". Due to what he and his mate (also a medical professor) claim was an "error", the majority of those 191 had precisely none of his regimen, only 28 had the full treatment and 28% died. The paper has been forcibly withdrawn due to its false data
    The paper was correctly withdrawn by the authors themselves due to overlapping patient data
    5. Every supposed "study" pro-ivermectin has been caught lying By who? not WHO, see below
    6. It is not just every health body that says this is rubbish. Merck, the main maker of the drug, says it is rubbish. Love it when conspiracy theorists think Big Pharma turns down £billions as part of a plot
    7. The "FLCCC" is just a group set up by anti-vaxxers

    There are currently multiple co-ordinated worldwide clinical trials involving Ivermectin,
    https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19

    The WHO advises Ivermectin only be used to treat covid-19 in clinical trials.
    "A guideline development group was convened in response to the increased international attention on ivermectin as a potential treatment for COVID-19. This group is an independent, international panel of experts, which includes clinical care experts in multiple specialties and also include an ethicist and patient-partners."

    The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro
    Link https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

    Highlights
    Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro.
    A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.
    Ivermectin is FDA-approved for parasitic infections, and therefore has a potential for repurposing.
    Ivermectin is widely available, due to its inclusion on the WHO model list of essential medicines.

    Trials on Ivermectin have shown arrest of viral replication in many cases through IMPα/β1.
    Listed successes for HIV, SV40, DENV, West Nile, VEEV, influenza, PRV and SARS-CoV-2.


    Edit: maybe they should have got Pfizer to conduct the data analysis
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,491
    VespaPX said:

    Kamaltoe in charge


    ‘Kamaltoe’?

    Why would you write that?

    It was for 85 minutes
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,408
    Jac35 said:

    VespaPX said:

    Kamaltoe in charge


    ‘Kamaltoe’?

    Why would you write that?

    It was for 85 minutes
    Why not?
    Trump was called worse things for 4 years.
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,408
    BOOM


  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,408
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,408
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,408
    Kyle should give Alec Baldwin weapon handling advice.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    A good time to slip this in as the Maxwell case has kicked off.









  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    Red_King said:

    Essexphil said:

    Red_King said:

    World’s Leading ICU Doctor Files Lawsuit Against Hospital System After Being Barred from Administering Proven COVID-19 Treatments

    https://www.yahoo.com/now/flccc-tells-children-health-defense-144600640.html

    Where to start>

    1. This is about ivermectin. A useful drug. If you have worms. Or a Virus
    2. What on earth is the "world's leading ICU doctor"? a Front Line medical Professor no less
    3. "Proven COVID-19 Treatments?" He came up with this so-called proof. In an article where he uses 191"patients". Due to what he and his mate (also a medical professor) claim was an "error", the majority of those 191 had precisely none of his regimen, only 28 had the full treatment and 28% died. The paper has been forcibly withdrawn due to its false data
    The paper was correctly withdrawn by the authors themselves due to overlapping patient data
    5. Every supposed "study" pro-ivermectin has been caught lying By who? not WHO, see below
    6. It is not just every health body that says this is rubbish. Merck, the main maker of the drug, says it is rubbish. Love it when conspiracy theorists think Big Pharma turns down £billions as part of a plot
    7. The "FLCCC" is just a group set up by anti-vaxxers

    There are currently multiple co-ordinated worldwide clinical trials involving Ivermectin,
    https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=ivermectin&cond=COVID-19

    The WHO advises Ivermectin only be used to treat covid-19 in clinical trials.
    "A guideline development group was convened in response to the increased international attention on ivermectin as a potential treatment for COVID-19. This group is an independent, international panel of experts, which includes clinical care experts in multiple specialties and also include an ethicist and patient-partners."

    The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro
    Link https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

    Highlights
    Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro.
    A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.
    Ivermectin is FDA-approved for parasitic infections, and therefore has a potential for repurposing.
    Ivermectin is widely available, due to its inclusion on the WHO model list of essential medicines.

    Trials on Ivermectin have shown arrest of viral replication in many cases through IMPα/β1.
    Listed successes for HIV, SV40, DENV, West Nile, VEEV, influenza, PRV and SARS-CoV-2.


    Edit: maybe they should have got Pfizer to conduct the data analysis
    Don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

    1. Virus? No. It could be 1 ICU Doctor is right. And the whole medical community is wrong. Good luck with that.
    2. A "front line" Doctor is one who works to try and keep individual patients alive. His remit is to utilise the legally-approved drugs in order to do so. An ICU Doctor has minimal training and/or experience about clinical trials, virology, epidemiology, etc.
    3. By "overlapping" you mean the same 11 patients that have been replicated and multiplied in all similar studies. Which have not been replicated in any independent trials. Much like the similar experience with his "research" in relation to sepsis.
    4. You clearly do not understand what the WHO are saying-see below.

    You say that WHO "advises ivermectin only be used to treat covid-19 in clinical trials". FALSE. Look at the end of the article you quote:-

    "The authors would like readers to be aware of the following letter issued by the FDA titled: “Do Not Use Ivermectin Intended for Animals as Treatment for COVID-19 in Humans” at https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/fda-letter-stakeholders-do-not-use-ivermectin-intended-animals-treatment-covid-19-humans." Clicking on that article will lead you to all the current thinking of the FDA

    What WHO really say is that under no circumstances should ivermectin be used to treat patients, although it may be administered for the purpose of a proper clinical trial with the patient's consent

    "In vitro" sounds impressive. Unless you have any knowledge of either medicine or Latin. It means "in glass"-a test tube. Totally dissimilar to humans.

    "Potential repurposing"? That article is nearly 18 months old. So far, the clinical trials have shown it to be irrelevant in the treatment of Covid. Not in itself harmful. But not useful either.

    The only "listed successes" for the drug in relation to Covid so far have all proved to be fraudulent.

    Do I trust the Pfizers of this world? Not a lot.

    But infinitely more than the Ivermectin and MATH brigade.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    ‘‘Twas a nice study,just the one.
    Then big Pharma came along and tried to stop the use.
    Obviously because their jabs that don’t protect from illness or transmission or death are far more suitable.
    A Vaers not needed for the study for an obvious reason.




  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,783
    chilling said:

    ‘‘Twas a nice study,just the one.
    Then big Pharma came along and tried to stop the use.
    Obviously because their jabs that don’t protect from illness or transmission or death are far more suitable.
    A Vaers not needed for the study for an obvious reason.




    You can cling to the teeny tiny study. That had no peer review. That stopped after a month. That had no placebo, no blind testing. That has been superseded by larger, better, independent studies. That the maker of ivermectin believes conclusively proved it was a non-starter.

    Jabs do protect from illness and transmission and death. It is just that (like everything else, even in the fantasy world of anti-vaxxers) there is nothing that is 100% effective.

    Because that is what the real world is like.
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