We are at the break and I've played just one significant hand. Which I LOST.
All-in pre in a 4,300 pot against AK. I only had KK, serves me right.
Coming in at 70% pre-flop folds which, for me, is unheard of in early levels. That is how card dead I have been. Still, I can't complain, I got KK once, not sure if I said?
Well played mushroom. Great run, nice score and sounds like you were a bit unlucky at the final table, gg.
Might be interesting to post those 50-50's from the final table though just to see exactly what the stack distributions were like, whether we were getting it in first or calling it off and maybe see if anything could have been done differently... Totally up to you whether you want to share those hands here (obviously) and more than likely they were just standard/unavoidable spots anyway GG, in any case, and can we get an update on the numbers now please
Well played mushroom. Great run, nice score and sounds like you were a bit unlucky at the final table, gg.
Might be interesting to post those 50-50's from the final table though just to see exactly what the stack distributions were like, whether we were getting it in first or calling it off and maybe see if anything could have been done differently... Totally up to you whether you want to share those hands here (obviously) and more than likely they were just standard/unavoidable spots anyway GG, in any case, and can we get an update on the numbers now please
Well played mushroom. Great run, nice score and sounds like you were a bit unlucky at the final table, gg.
Might be interesting to post those 50-50's from the final table though just to see exactly what the stack distributions were like, whether we were getting it in first or calling it off and maybe see if anything could have been done differently... Totally up to you whether you want to share those hands here (obviously) and more than likely they were just standard/unavoidable spots anyway GG, in any case, and can we get an update on the numbers now please
OK, although I was CL when we initially got down to four, I was in 2nd place when I lost the first of the two 50-50's.
The chip counts were something very close to...
1,000,000 600,000 me 340,000 260,000
Hand 1 8,000/16,000 350,000 FOLDS 1m FOLDS
I'm in the SB with AhTh and make it 40,000 to play. 258k stack in BB shoves.
My ATs was against 44 which, despite a K9J7 board to the turn, held. (fair do's).
I feel I have to call off here almost all of the time?
The AQ is obviously completely fine and the Ah10h seems too strong to raise-fold to a 16bb 3 bet jam from the shortest stack at the table in a blind vs blind confrontation when:
a) he can be shoving dominated Ax for "value" b) he should still conceivably have a decent amount of fold equity in this spot given that you still have to call off pretty tight, therefore you will be perceived to have a lot of raise-folds here (potentially widening opponents shoving range) ... and that probably makes A10s a call...
The thing is, though, we only do well getting A10 in here as played when he has those dominated Ax (which we block) most of the time we will be flipping against pairs and a marginal favourite against some broadway combo's. I'm wondering if the really good players ever find folds here as played - retain their position as comfortable 2nd in chips with 4 left and continue to look to steal/win uncontested pots and avoid calling it off (and jeopardising our very good position in the tournament) in the more marginal spots.
Final table ICM is crazy complicated and I don't claim to be anywhere close to knowing what I'm talking about here I'm just speculating that there may be an argument for finding folds in this exact spot given our stack/position in the tournament and the other stacks and the fact it is still 4 handed - if it was 3 handed then I don't think folding here would even be up for debate...
This is where we need someone like Bates, lool, devil_tear, JJBinks to come in and tell us what's what
The AQ is obviously completely fine and the Ah10h seems too strong to raise-fold to a 16bb 3 bet jam from the shortest stack at the table in a blind vs blind confrontation when:
a) he can be shoving dominated Ax for "value" b) he should still conceivably have a decent amount of fold equity in this spot given that you still have to call off pretty tight, therefore you will be perceived to have a lot of raise-folds here (potentially widening opponents shoving range) ... and that probably makes A10s a call...
The thing is, though, we only do well getting A10 in here as played when he has those dominated Ax (which we block) most of the time we will be flipping against pairs and a marginal favourite against some broadway combo's. I'm wondering if the really good players ever find folds here as played - retain their position as comfortable 2nd in chips with 4 left and continue to look to steal/win uncontested pots and avoid calling it off (and jeopardising our very good position in the tournament) in the more marginal spots.
Final table ICM is crazy complicated and I don't claim to be anywhere close to knowing what I'm talking about here I'm just speculating that there may be an argument for finding folds in this exact spot given our stack/position in the tournament and the other stacks and the fact it is still 4 handed - if it was 3 handed then I don't think folding here would even be up for debate...
This is where we need someone like Bates, lool, devil_tear, JJBinks to come in and tell us what's what
Don't get me wrong, I'm never happy calling off with anything other than JJ+.
However, like you say, I'm 8/13 fav or dominating plenty of 16bb stack shoves here.
I remember calling pretty quickly, and I had a feeling I had already made up my mind to call a shove when I made the initial bet. Incidentally, the previous hand I had lost a 100k pot to other big stack courtesy of a two-outer river, so perhaps that had an impact in my decision.
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All-in pre in a 4,300 pot against AK. I only had KK, serves me right.
Coming in at 70% pre-flop folds which, for me, is unheard of in early levels. That is how card dead I have been. Still, I can't complain, I got KK once, not sure if I said?
Although I must have the lowest amount of bounties of any player left in!
In other news, currently 6/8 in the £1,000 (21:30) as well.
4/460
£190.51
Was chip leader with four left before losing two 50-50s, one for 550k, the other for 650k (abour 2.1m in play I think).
Off to go vomit.
Might be interesting to post those 50-50's from the final table though just to see exactly what the stack distributions were like, whether we were getting it in first or calling it off and maybe see if anything could have been done differently...
Totally up to you whether you want to share those hands here (obviously) and more than likely they were just standard/unavoidable spots anyway
GG, in any case, and can we get an update on the numbers now please
Will get to both matters ASAP.
The chip counts were something very close to...
1,000,000
600,000 me
340,000
260,000
Hand 1
8,000/16,000
350,000 FOLDS
1m FOLDS
I'm in the SB with AhTh and make it 40,000 to play. 258k stack in BB shoves.
My ATs was against 44 which, despite a K9J7 board to the turn, held. (fair do's).
I feel I have to call off here almost all of the time?
Stacks are now very close to
1m
500k
350k me
340k
500k FOLDS
340k (D) makes it 56k to play (still 8/16k blinds)
1m (SB) FOLDS
I'm sitting in the BB with AQx, I shove. He calls.
Again we're off the races with my AQ vs his 77. I was dead on the turn.
Left with less than 1 big.
Thoughts are most welcome.
Thoughts are most welcome.
I'm s**t but I would be shoving pretty soon.
Running bad, playing worse.
This won't end well.
a) he can be shoving dominated Ax for "value"
b) he should still conceivably have a decent amount of fold equity in this spot given that you still have to call off pretty tight, therefore you will be perceived to have a lot of raise-folds here (potentially widening opponents shoving range) ... and that probably makes A10s a call...
The thing is, though, we only do well getting A10 in here as played when he has those dominated Ax (which we block) most of the time we will be flipping against pairs and a marginal favourite against some broadway combo's. I'm wondering if the really good players ever find folds here as played - retain their position as comfortable 2nd in chips with 4 left and continue to look to steal/win uncontested pots and avoid calling it off (and jeopardising our very good position in the tournament) in the more marginal spots.
Final table ICM is crazy complicated and I don't claim to be anywhere close to knowing what I'm talking about here
This is where we need someone like Bates, lool, devil_tear, JJBinks to come in and tell us what's what
However, like you say, I'm 8/13 fav or dominating plenty of 16bb stack shoves here.
I remember calling pretty quickly, and I had a feeling I had already made up my mind to call a shove when I made the initial bet. Incidentally, the previous hand I had lost a 100k pot to other big stack courtesy of a two-outer river, so perhaps that had an impact in my decision.
Tournaments 10
Wins 0
Final Tables 1
Cashes 3
Total stake £81
Total returns £214.46
P/L +£133.46
A tidy wee amount.
Figures....
Tournaments 12
Wins 0
Final Tables 1
Cashes 3
Total stake £92
Total returns £216.34
P/L +£124.34
135% ROI
Attempt 13 tonight.
I'm sober.
glgl
My brain is just too old to cope with four short-handed tables (FTT+this).
Nothing to report in the 3 losing nights, early exits.