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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Simon Coveney: Brexit is not just about Westminster

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdAwcO9XPwo
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Ken Clarke: The ERG is 'incompetent'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IHBjSd6d-E
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Michael Gove: No-Deal Brexit was NEVER the plan and that it would make YOUR life harder.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfHQ9OY4avk
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    How Newspaper Lies Led to Brexit

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGo1nsm1ic
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    PM signals she is keen to stay after Brexit

    Theresa May has dropped her strongest signal yet that she intends to stay on as prime minister after Brexit, despite some ministers reportedly wanting her to quit as early as the summer.
    Speaking from Sharm el Sheikh in Egypt amid the first-ever conference of EU and Arab leaders, Mrs May said she was determined to push ahead with her domestic agenda once Britain leaves the trading bloc on 29 March.
    Hours after sparking anger in Westminster by delaying another meaningful vote on her Brexit deal until 12 March, the prime minister indicated that she wanted to continue in Number 10 to deal with issues like the NHS.





    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/pm-signals-she-is-keen-to-stay-after-brexit/ar-BBU2hIm?ocid=spartandhp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    The Japanese aren’t daft – that’s why they’re getting out of Brexit Britain



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/japanese-aren-t-daft-why-080019995.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Tom Watson urges Corbyn to get a grip of Labour 'crisis'


    Labour’s deputy leader, Tom Watson, has directly challenged Jeremy Corbyn to address what he called “a crisis for the soul of the Labour party”, or risk many more defections to the Independent Group in the days ahead.
    In a forthright interview on the BBC’s The Andrew Marr Show, Watson urged Corbyn to take personal leadership of efforts to tackle antisemitism in his party and to reach out to MPs from the social democratic tradition.
    “My message to our Labour party, to our half million members, is: look, I know we’re in a crisis. The departure of our colleagues is a real blow to us, and we need to understand why they felt they need to go – because if we’re going to be in government, we need to address those concerns,” Watson said.
    On antisemitism, he said he had received 50 complaints from colleagues in the past week, which he had forwarded to Corbyn, asking him to take a personal lead.





    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/tom-watson-urges-corbyn-to-get-a-grip-of-labour-crisis/ar-BBU0wLR?ocid=spartandhp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Tom Watson: Jeremy Corbyn 'will share my horror'

    Labour's deputy leader says he has sent Jeremy Corbyn a file on 50 party members who have made anti-Semitic comments that have "not been dealt with adequately".
    Speaking to the BBC's Andrew Marr, Tom Watson also said he wanted to see Mr Corbyn become a successful prime minister, but that change was required to stop people disengaging with the party.




    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47348174/tom-watson-jeremy-corbyn-will-share-my-horror
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Labour back second Brexit referendum

    Labour have announced they will back a second referendum on Brexit.
    Jeremy Corbyn will tell a meeting of Labour MPs that the party will support or put forward an amendment in favour of a public vote to "prevent a damaging Tory Brexit being forced on the country".
    "The prime minister is recklessly running down the clock, in an attempt to force MPs to choose between her botched deal and a disastrous no deal," he is due to tell them.
    "We cannot and will not accept."




    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/labour-back-second-brexit-referendum/ar-BBU3Uwd?ocid=spartandhp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Brexit: Theresa May's 'secret plan' to delay by two months exposed

    Secret plans have been drawn up by Downing Street to delay Brexit for up to two months, it emerged today.
    The bombshell plan comes hours after Theresa May sparked MPs' fury by delaying their final Brexit vote until as late as March 12.
    And facing no chance of a "deal in the desert" at an EU summit in Egypt today, the Prime Minister admitted it's now only "within our grasp" to leave on March 29 - not guaranteed.
    Her comments sparked furious claims she is "running down the clock" - and an angry row among Tory Brexiteers over fears we will no longer leave on time.






    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-theresa-mays-secret-plan-to-delay-by-two-months-exposed/ar-BBU2QTg?ocid=spartandhp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Brexit: Labour agrees to back amendment for new EU referendum in major policy shift


    Labour says it is committed to backing an amendment to deliver a fresh Brexit referendum, in a significant shift in the party’s much-criticised policy.
    Jeremy Corbyn will tell a meeting of the party’s MPs that the move would “prevent a damaging Tory Brexit being forced on the country”.
    However, it was unclear – from the statement issued by the Labour leader – whether Mr Corbyn was pledging to back a referendum on Theresa May’s deal, or on its own Brexit proposals.
    The announcement made no mention of an amendment, to be tabled by two Labour backbenchers, which would allow the prime minister’s deal to pass – subject to a fresh public vote.
    Furthermore, Mr Corbyn also announced that Labour would first push its own five-point plan for a softer Brexit, including customs union membership, in a vote on Wednesday.
    Nevertheless, the move was welcomed by the People’s Vote campaign, as a big step in the right direction
    “It is welcome news that the Labour party is now, at long last, signalling it will accept the principle of giving the public the final say on Brexit,” said David Lammy, a Labour supporter.
    “These are dangerous times for the Labour Party and our country. Jeremy Corbyn is today taking the first step to reunite our party by showing he is listening to our voters and members on this, the biggest issue of our time.”




    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/brexit-labour-agrees-back-amendment-174100626.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Newspaper headlines: Brexit delay talk as PM sets vote deadline
    By BBC News
    Staff
    25 February 2019
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    With Brexit now just 32 days away, the Daily Telegraph says Downing Street officials have drawn up a series of options to try to avoid a Tory rebellion over the possibility of leaving without a deal - including a delay of up to two months.



    The Guardian goes further, suggesting Brexit could be postponed until 2021 under plans being examined by senior EU officials. The plan would allow time to solve the outstanding issues and make the Irish backstop redundant.

    Newspaper headlines: Cabinet 'splits' and 'don't panic' pleas
    By BBC News
    Staff
    24 February 2019
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    Cabinet rifts over Brexit continue to get widespread coverage.
    The Sunday Telegraph says it understands that the Chancellor Philip Hammond and David Lidington, the prime minister's de facto deputy, are lobbying Theresa May to publicly pledge that she will not take the UK out of the European Union without a deal at the end of next month.



    Newspaper headlines: 'Revolt' and quit messages for PM
    By BBC News
    Staff
    23 February 2019
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    The Daily Mail regards the intervention on Brexit by three cabinet ministers - Amber Rudd, David Gauke and Greg Clark - as them "publicly serving notice" on Theresa May.



    It says their "no-deal revolt" could be joined by up to 20 junior ministers - and 100 Conservative MPs who, with Labour support, would be certain to defeat Mrs May and force her to delay Brexit.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs/the_papers
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Labour's Brexit BETRAYAL: Corbyn to SUPPORT second EU referendum and back REMAIN
    LABOUR’S Emily Thornberry has revealed Jeremy Corbyn would campaign for Remain in any second referendum on Brexit - despite the party pledging to accept the result of the 2016 vote in its manifesto.



    The shadow Foreign Secretary said the Labour leader would support staying in the EU over leaving under Theresa May’s “disastrous” terms or crashing out with no deal. Her shock remarks come just hours after Labour announced it was moving towards a second referendum to "prevent a damaging Tory Brexit being forced on the country”. Appearing on Channel 4 News, Ms Thornberry was quizzed on whether she would back the Government’s deal or Remain in a rerun of the 2016 referendum.



    She said: “It’s no secret that I think it’s in Britain’s interest for us to Remain in the European Union. I’ve always thought so and I continue to think so.
    “So if there is a vote of that sort I would certainly be campaigning for us to Remain.”
    Asked if that stance would put her on the “same side as Jeremy Corbyn”, Ms Thornberry replied: “Yeah. Of course.
    “If there’s a choice between a disastrous Tory Brexit or no deal and Remaining, then that is what we will have to do.”


    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1092280/brexit-news-latest-labour-amendment-peoples-vote-theresa-may-deal-update
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    EU PANIC: Mark Rutte fears 'best friend' May is 'sleepwalking' into 'UNACCEPTABLE' no deal
    THE Dutch Prime Minister, Mark Rutte, warned Theresa May she is "sleepwalking" into a no deal scenario as he claims Brexit was the "wrong decision" to make in such an unstable political climate in the European Union as well as the rest of the world.




    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1092238/Brexit-news-update-Theresa-May-no-deal-Mark-Rutte-Dutch-Prime-Minister
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    Theresa May is set to RULE OUT No Deal Brexit after 15 ministers threaten to quit in extraordinary rebellion at secret meeting - as three pen letter 'imploring' PM to extend deadline to avoid 'disaster'



    A group of 23 dissidents met secretly at the Commons last night to discuss how to stop Britain leaving the EU without an agreement on March 29, with as many as 15 said to be ready to resign. In an article for the Mail today, three of the ministers involved say they are prepared to back a Commons move by rebel MPs tomorrow to force the Prime Minister to seek a Brexit delay if her deal is voted down. Industry minister Richard Harrington, digital minister Margot James and energy minister Claire Perry ‘implore’ Mrs May to say that if there is no deal agreed by Parliament by March 13 then she must seek a way to extend Article 50. If she fails to do so they warn bluntly they ‘will have no choice other than to join MPs of all parties and fellow ministers in acting in the national interest to prevent a disaster in less than five weeks that we may regret forever’. As many as 15 ministers could resign unless Mrs May provides assurances on No Deal, including anti-Brexit Cabinet ministers Amber Rudd, David Gauke and Greg Clark. Other Tories believed to be on the brink of resigning to stop No Deal include Scottish Secretary David Mundell, Defence minister Tobias Ellwood, Solicitor General Robert Buckland and Disabilities minister Sarah Newton. All are thought to have attended yesterday’s Commons meeting.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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    Momentum chief admits Labour has a 'widespread' anti-Semitism problem


    Labour has a “widespread problem” with anti-Semitism and “underestimates the scale of it”, the leader of the pro-Corbyn campaign group Momentum has claimed.
    Following a volatile week in which nine MPs quit Labour, many of them citing Jeremy Corbyn’s failure to deal with anti-Semitism, Jon Lansman has conceded that the party has a “major problem”.
    Mr Lansman said the decision of Luciana Berger, a heavily pregnant Jewish MP, to quit the party was both a “source of tremendous regret and sadness and some shame”.




    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/25/labour-has-widespread-problem-anti-semitism-momentum-chief-says/
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,718
    How a second Brexit referendum could work: the question, when it will happen and who would win





    With the road to Brexit plagued with uncertainty, nothing can be ruled out comprehensively. So how could a second referendum still work? Read on to find out.
    What would be on the ballot paper?
    Whilst the original Brexit referendum was based on a simple, binary choice of Remain or Leave, it is now implausible that a second poll could rerun the same question. For starters, there are no longer two options on the table.
    After 18 months of negotiation with Brussels, Mrs May brought back to Westminster a 585-page withdrawal agreement and a political declaration setting out the blueprints for a future trade relationship between the UK and the EU.
    That deal, however, proved unacceptable to more than...



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/29/second-brexit-referendum-could-work-question-will-happen-would/
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    Riots and right wing extremist groups getting a leverage would be the reality of a 2nd referendum .

    That's an opinion that I wouldn't completely share.
    If there were riots, which I don't buy, then it still wouldn't be a reason not to do the right thing.
    If Parliament decided that a referendum was the right thing to do, then it should happen.
    To argue that we shouldn't because we might have a couple of riots, is just wrong.

    Would we expect our politicians to alter decisions in the future due to the possibility of riots?

    The argument against isn't because of rioting ( that will be a by product), but because apart from anything else it completely smacks in the face of democracy . This government promised to carry out the wishes of the public on the referendum vote , and re presenting it to the nation will disaffect generations to come and there will be zero trust in politics and politicians as a whole . If you naively think that the majority of the people who voted leave , would just sit back and say " oh , ok , 2nd referendum , no worries " , then you're deluded.
    Like I've said a million times on here , never going to happen anyway , thankfully .
    The majority will be unhappy with the result.

    Is that democracy?
    Yes. Democracy relates to votes, not happiness.
    Ok lets put it another way.
    The majority will say that the outcome is not what they voted for.
    I agree.
    But that is going to be true for every option.
    And you cannot "unask" the question from the last referendum
    The fact that you cant unask the question, is another very good reason to ask a better question.
    If Parliament rules out no deal, then the fair question to ask would be a deal or remain.
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