100% of Polititicians don't give a sh!t how the public voted, #init4me
I was merely pointing out that the leave vote was a small majority of the electorate that voted, and was a minority of the electorate as a whole. So the will of the people is really only the will of the people that voted.
The fate of the prime minister is on almost all of the front pages. Many of them print the same image showing a solemn Theresa May sitting in the backseat of her official car as it drove away from Parliament on Wednesday. "Tearesa" is the headline on the front of the Sun, which says the prime minister was left "bleary-eyed" and "isolated" by what it calls "an extraordinary cabinet bid to force her from power." The Daily Express says a "beleaguered" Mrs May is facing "a final showdown" - with its headline asking "How much more can she take?" The Times offers an answer, saying she is expected to announce her departure from Number 10 on Friday - when she is due to meet Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of the influential Tory backbench 1922 Committee. According to the Spectator's political editor James Forsyth, the meeting is quite simply Mrs May's chance to be "to resign rather than be pushed". There are calls in the editorials for her to leave. Mrs May "must go now" says the Daily Telegraph which describes the situation as a "national emergency". The Guardian says she has "nowhere left to fail". The Sun says her task has been "harder than any predecessor's since Winston Churchill", but goes on to deliver a clear message: "It's over, PM".
I have to confess, I have not read much of this, as I am not keen on the friction caused with opposing views. Others are fine with it, and that's cool.
I just wanted to post to remind people how important it is to vote in the European Elections tomorrow. whatever your view point, party preference is.
For me in elections I have always flipped between Labour and Conservative depend on their policies at the time.
I make no qualms about it, I don't want us to leave the EU period. So I am supporting and voting for THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS this time as their position is clear.
I think Vince Cable is a selfless politician and his stance is very clear below:
Extraordinary moment Brexiteer calls pro-Brexit MP a traitor for voting for Brexit deal
Extraordinary moment Brexiteer calls pro-Brexit MP a traitor for voting for Brexit deal
A Tory Brexiteer was faced with the wrath of a fellow Leaver, who branded him a liar and a traitor during a television interview. David Davies, the MP for Monmouth, was speaking to BBC Wales about a rise in abuse against MPs when he was confronted by the woman. In the footage, the woman calls him a "traitor" when he tells her he is pro-Brexit but voted for Theresa May's deal.
Extraordinary moment Brexiteer calls pro-Brexit MP a traitor for voting for Brexit deal
"You are a liar. You did not vote to leave," she says. "Shame on you. You're a traitor," she adds. "You should feel uncomfortable. You've betrayed 17.4 million people.”
Hitting back at the Brexit voter, Mr Davies told her: “You are not a Brexiteer… “I don’t need to be given lectures by you.” He added: “People like you make me want to join the EU again.
Mr Davies is a Leave supporter who voted for Theresa May's Brexit deal
Speaking to the camera, Mr Davies, who has started wearing a body camera to and from Parliament in response to intimidation, says: "And that's what you put up with when you're out here all the time.” Welsh Assembly member Alun Davies re-tweeted the video clip and praised the politician for how he handled the incident.
"But we also need a conversation about how we can disagree with each other, have a serious debate and rebuild our politics. In Wales and the UK," he added. The Monmouth MP replied saying he "100%" agreed.
People voted to leave. They did not vote as to how they wanted to leave.
People are trying to blame Remainers for us not leaving. Even Ken Clarke, the most pro-Europe Tory MP, is willing to compromise for us to move forward.
But people are being attacked for voting for the "wrong sort" of Brexit. Heaven help us.
I would like to see a new Referendum. Not whether we should leave or not. We've done that one. How we leave. Customs Union, May's deal, or No Deal. Result? Landslide for Customs Union.
Any deal that does not leave BOTH @HAYSIE AND @QPROBBO dissatisfied would not be right.
Car manufacturing is a big employer and revenue generator in the UK. We owe a lot of that to one Maggie Thatcher, Prime Minister in her time, who modelled the Single Market to our advantage and then invited Japanase brands to come and build their vehicles over here, allowing them to sell them to the whole of Europe. Changed from orange to red on 30 sep 2016. 81 stories selected out of 81
30.04.2019 British car production falls for tenth consecutive month | Autocar (Autocar) 30.04.2019 Jaguar to move Land Rover Defender production to Slovakia (Reuters World) 03.03.2019 Honda reveals it had plans to make electric cars in Swindon before plant closure (Swindon Advertiser) 20.02.2019 Honda will leave the UK if Government fails to secure access to EU market (Swindon Advertiser) 13.02.2019 Ford told UK PM May it is preparing alternative production sites (Reuters) 02.02.2019 Nissan casts further gloom on car industry with X-Trail blow (Sky News) 24.01.2019 Hard Brexit will cost Ford £615m this year, carmaker warns (Sky News) 11.01.2019 Times Honda to halt UK production for 6 days after Brexit (Financial Times) 11.01.2019 Ford: 1,000 Bridgend job losses by 2021 outlined to unions (BBC News) 10.01.2019 Jaguar Land Rover struggling to return to top gear (BBC News) 24.12.2018 UK car manufacturing output falls by a fifth as demand slumps (Guardian) 29.11.2018 UK car manufacturing falls for fifth consecutive month (Autocar) 17.10.2018 Ford U-turn: no-deal Brexit could force carmaker to reconsider UK plans (Guardian) 04.10.2018 Car sales plunge as Nissan warns on Brexit (BBC News) 29.09.2018 Toyota says no-deal Brexit would stall production at Burnaston (BBC News)
Despite the promises of economic success and freedom from Brussels, it looks like things on brexit day itself will be pretty grim. Food and medicine shortages are to be expected, and a State of Emergency may be declared, while all planes may be grounded. This is what we voted for. 48 stories selected out of 48
14.05.2019 British Steel asks for state help to avert 'Brexit related' crisis (Guardian) 08.05.2019 NHS nursing crisis worsened by Brexit exodus (Guardian) 20.04.2019 UK loses £6.6 billion a quarter since referendum (Reuters) 03.04.2019 Top mandarin's bombshell No Deal Brexit warning (Daily Mail) 02.04.2019 Food prices to rise 10%, police unable to protect public and worst recession in decade, UK's top civil servant warns in leaked no-deal analysis (Independent) 21.03.2019 Brexit: Govt preparing to enter 'very high readiness mode' for no deal (Sky News) 08.03.2019 Belgium tells companies to halt exports to UK after March 29 (Independent) 07.03.2019 Road haulage sector being set up for a Brexit fall of catastrophic proportions (Politics Home) 01.03.2019 UK supermarkets lowering standards and dropping products ahead of Brexit (Independent) 19.02.2019 Brexit Is Such Good Business for the Dutch, Their Watchdog Needs to Get Bigger (Bloomberg) 16.02.2019 Airline Flybmi ceases operations (BBC News) 15.02.2019 EU, America and China will all get new medicines ahead of Britain after Brexit (Independent) 11.02.2019 UK economic growth slowest since 2012 (BBC News) 11.02.2019 Brexit economic impact: British households are £1,500 worse off than before referendum (i News) 11.02.2019 Brexit economic impact: British households are £1,500 worse off than before referendum (i News)
This tracks how the NHS is doing and in particular, if the promised weekly £350 million pounds have any chance to materialise. We already know that the UK never was giving £350 million to the EU, as we had a special rebate. And of course a lot of that money came back to us to renovate towns in Wales, to pay for scientific research and to help our farmers amongst other things. Now all of these are fighting to keep the money they used to get, so there is very little chance any extra money will ever reach the NHS. 90 stories selected out of 90
08.05.2019 GP Numbers show first sustained drop for 50 years (BBC News) 08.05.2019 NHS nursing crisis worsened by Brexit exodus (Guardian) 21.03.2019 Trump threatens to use US trade talks to force NHS to pay more for drugs (Telegraph) 02.03.2019 Doctors sounding the alarm over Brexit (The Times) 20.01.2019 Nigel Farage wants US-style insurance system to replace NHS (Independent) 24.12.2018 Drug firms preparing for no-deal Brexit told to sign 'gagging orders' (Guardian) 21.12.2018 I’m a care worker. The £30k immigration rule would decimate the sector (Guardian) 18.12.2018 True scale of post-Brexit NHS staff misery laid bare (Metro) 10.11.2018 Where Brexit Hurts: The Nurses and Doctors Leaving London (New York Times) 23.10.2018 Public may have to stockpile drugs in no-deal Brexit (BBC News) 15.10.2018 AstraZeneca halts UK investments due to Brexit uncertainties (src: Le monde) (Reuters World) 14.10.2018 MPs warn that Brexit means Health Department can’t ensure “supply of medicines” (London Economic) 10.10.2018 Brexit will have catastrophic effect on cancer research (Metro) 06.10.2018 Heart drug trials halted over Brexit fears (BBC News) 20.09.2018 Let American firms run hospitals, urges free trade group (The Times)
We need Trade Deals to sell our stuff. Otherwise, said stuff gets taxed on import, and we get more expensive than the local goods. In the EU there are no such taxes (tariffs). A trade deal takes 5 to 10 years to put together and it's not like we're in a position of strength, being on our own and all that. A hard Brexit means we're out of the Single Market and we get tariffs applied on our wares. Ouch. And as Australia has reminded us, we can't work on any deal until we're properly out. We're up for a DECADE of pain at least. And then, we'll be lucky if we get any **** deal at all. 132 stories selected out of 132
12.05.2019 Brexit trade deals will be worse than current EU deals, says Liam Fox's former trade chief (Business Insider UK) 27.03.2019 UK cannot simply trade on WTO terms after no-deal Brexit (Guardian) 24.03.2019 Brexit trade deals will be worse than current EU deals, says Liam Fox's former trade chief (Business Insider UK) 06.03.2019 No US deal for the UK unless all of Ireland protected from Brexit border fall out (Irish News) 01.03.2019 Trump tells May to abandon 'unwarranted' food standards for Brexit trade deal (Business Insider UK) 28.02.2019 US takes tough line with UK on post-Brexit trade talks (Financial Times) 20.02.2019 Taiwan objects to Britain's post-Brexit WTO services trade arrangement (Reuters World) 18.02.2019 UK-Japan trade talks sour after letter from Hunt and Fox (Financial Times) 18.02.2019 No-deal Brexit and WTO: Article 24 explained (House of Commons Library) 08.02.2019 No-deal Brexit risks rise as UK-Japan trade talks stall (Financial Times) 07.02.2019 UK told to uphold Belfast Agreement if it wants US trade deal (Irish Times) 30.01.2019 US firms seek changes to UK standards on beef and drugs (BBC News) 26.01.2019 Australian Trade Minister pours cold water on Britain's post-Brexit TPP plan (The Sunday Morning Herald) 18.01.2019 UK fails to close global trade deals ahead of Brexit deadline (Financial Times) 07.12.2018 Moldova Grudge Could Cost U.K. Access to $1.7 Trillion Projects (Bloomberg)
People voted to leave. They did not vote as to how they wanted to leave.
People are trying to blame Remainers for us not leaving. Even Ken Clarke, the most pro-Europe Tory MP, is willing to compromise for us to move forward.
But people are being attacked for voting for the "wrong sort" of Brexit. Heaven help us.
I would like to see a new Referendum. Not whether we should leave or not. We've done that one. How we leave. Customs Union, May's deal, or No Deal. Result? Landslide for Customs Union.
Any deal that does not leave BOTH @HAYSIE AND @QPROBBO dissatisfied would not be right.
I would be happy if we left, and maintained a close relationship with the EU.
However the more extreme solutions seem more likely.
It will be interesting to see if a new leader can do any better.
The whole thing reminds me of the committee that set out to design a horse and ended up with a giraffe.
The Brexit horse was always destined to become a giraffe.
Choose between no deal, revoke, or confirmatory vote as the most likely outcome, unless something radically changes.
Even a General Election would not necessarily provide a majority in favour of a satisfactory solution.
The new leader will have little time to find a solution before the end of October.
Another consideration is that we leave without knowing where we will end up.
Any agreement on our future trading relationship could be amended during the trade negotiations, and reversed post the 2022 General Election.
There is nothing to stop a Parliamentary majority for a Customs Union, actually ending up as no deal, some years later.
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I accept that if we go, there will be trouble
But surely, if we stay there will be double
So the will of the people is really only the will of the people that voted.
The fate of the prime minister is on almost all of the front pages.
Many of them print the same image showing a solemn Theresa May sitting in the backseat of her official car as it drove away from Parliament on Wednesday.
"Tearesa" is the headline on the front of the Sun, which says the prime minister was left "bleary-eyed" and "isolated" by what it calls "an extraordinary cabinet bid to force her from power."
The Daily Express says a "beleaguered" Mrs May is facing "a final showdown" - with its headline asking "How much more can she take?"
The Times offers an answer, saying she is expected to announce her departure from Number 10 on Friday - when she is due to meet Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of the influential Tory backbench 1922 Committee.
According to the Spectator's political editor James Forsyth, the meeting is quite simply Mrs May's chance to be "to resign rather than be pushed".
There are calls in the editorials for her to leave. Mrs May "must go now" says the Daily Telegraph which describes the situation as a "national emergency".
The Guardian says she has "nowhere left to fail". The Sun says her task has been "harder than any predecessor's since Winston Churchill", but goes on to deliver a clear message: "It's over, PM".
Sounds like a plan, Lib Dems would seem to be a good choice.
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In the eyes of Brexiteers, MPs that voted for the deal as a means of exiting the EU, are traitors.
Those MPs that haven't voted for the deal, are traitors, because they are keeping us in the EU.
That makes about as much sense as Brexit.
Extraordinary moment Brexiteer calls pro-Brexit MP a traitor for voting for Brexit deal
Extraordinary moment Brexiteer calls pro-Brexit MP a traitor for voting for Brexit deal
A Tory Brexiteer was faced with the wrath of a fellow Leaver, who branded him a liar and a traitor during a television interview.
David Davies, the MP for Monmouth, was speaking to BBC Wales about a rise in abuse against MPs when he was confronted by the woman.
In the footage, the woman calls him a "traitor" when he tells her he is pro-Brexit but voted for Theresa May's deal.
Extraordinary moment Brexiteer calls pro-Brexit MP a traitor for voting for Brexit deal
"You are a liar. You did not vote to leave," she says.
"Shame on you. You're a traitor," she adds.
"You should feel uncomfortable. You've betrayed 17.4 million people.”
Hitting back at the Brexit voter, Mr Davies told her: “You are not a Brexiteer…
“I don’t need to be given lectures by you.”
He added: “People like you make me want to join the EU again.
Mr Davies is a Leave supporter who voted for Theresa May's Brexit deal
Speaking to the camera, Mr Davies, who has started wearing a body camera to and from Parliament in response to intimidation, says: "And that's what you put up with when you're out here all the time.”
Welsh Assembly member Alun Davies re-tweeted the video clip and praised the politician for how he handled the incident.
"But we also need a conversation about how we can disagree with each other, have a serious debate and rebuild our politics. In Wales and the UK," he added.
The Monmouth MP replied saying he "100%" agreed.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/extraordinary-moment-brexiteer-calls-pro-brexit-mp-a-traitor-for-voting-for-brexit-deal-084513740.html
People voted to leave. They did not vote as to how they wanted to leave.
People are trying to blame Remainers for us not leaving. Even Ken Clarke, the most pro-Europe Tory MP, is willing to compromise for us to move forward.
But people are being attacked for voting for the "wrong sort" of Brexit. Heaven help us.
I would like to see a new Referendum. Not whether we should leave or not. We've done that one.
How we leave. Customs Union, May's deal, or No Deal. Result?
Landslide for Customs Union.
Any deal that does not leave BOTH @HAYSIE AND @QPROBBO dissatisfied would not be right.
Car manufacturing is a big employer and revenue generator in the UK. We owe a lot of that to one Maggie Thatcher, Prime Minister in her time, who modelled the Single Market to our advantage and then invited Japanase brands to come and build their vehicles over here, allowing them to sell them to the whole of Europe. Changed from orange to red on 30 sep 2016.
81 stories selected out of 81
30.04.2019
British car production falls for tenth consecutive month | Autocar (Autocar)
30.04.2019
Jaguar to move Land Rover Defender production to Slovakia (Reuters World)
03.03.2019
Honda reveals it had plans to make electric cars in Swindon before plant closure (Swindon Advertiser)
20.02.2019
Honda will leave the UK if Government fails to secure access to EU market (Swindon Advertiser)
13.02.2019
Ford told UK PM May it is preparing alternative production sites (Reuters)
02.02.2019
Nissan casts further gloom on car industry with X-Trail blow (Sky News)
24.01.2019
Hard Brexit will cost Ford £615m this year, carmaker warns (Sky News)
11.01.2019
Times Honda to halt UK production for 6 days after Brexit (Financial Times)
11.01.2019
Ford: 1,000 Bridgend job losses by 2021 outlined to unions (BBC News)
10.01.2019
Jaguar Land Rover struggling to return to top gear (BBC News)
24.12.2018
UK car manufacturing output falls by a fifth as demand slumps (Guardian)
29.11.2018
UK car manufacturing falls for fifth consecutive month (Autocar)
17.10.2018
Ford U-turn: no-deal Brexit could force carmaker to reconsider UK plans (Guardian)
04.10.2018
Car sales plunge as Nissan warns on Brexit (BBC News)
29.09.2018
Toyota says no-deal Brexit would stall production at Burnaston (BBC News)
https://brexitlies.com/#t1
Despite the promises of economic success and freedom from Brussels, it looks like things on brexit day itself will be pretty grim. Food and medicine shortages are to be expected, and a State of Emergency may be declared, while all planes may be grounded. This is what we voted for.
48 stories selected out of 48
14.05.2019
British Steel asks for state help to avert 'Brexit related' crisis (Guardian)
08.05.2019
NHS nursing crisis worsened by Brexit exodus (Guardian)
20.04.2019
UK loses £6.6 billion a quarter since referendum (Reuters)
03.04.2019
Top mandarin's bombshell No Deal Brexit warning (Daily Mail)
02.04.2019
Food prices to rise 10%, police unable to protect public and worst recession in decade, UK's top civil servant warns in leaked no-deal analysis (Independent)
21.03.2019
Brexit: Govt preparing to enter 'very high readiness mode' for no deal (Sky News)
08.03.2019
Belgium tells companies to halt exports to UK after March 29 (Independent)
07.03.2019
Road haulage sector being set up for a Brexit fall of catastrophic proportions (Politics Home)
01.03.2019
UK supermarkets lowering standards and dropping products ahead of Brexit (Independent)
19.02.2019
Brexit Is Such Good Business for the Dutch, Their Watchdog Needs to Get Bigger (Bloomberg)
16.02.2019
Airline Flybmi ceases operations (BBC News)
15.02.2019
EU, America and China will all get new medicines ahead of Britain after Brexit (Independent)
11.02.2019
UK economic growth slowest since 2012 (BBC News)
11.02.2019
Brexit economic impact: British households are £1,500 worse off than before referendum (i News)
11.02.2019
Brexit economic impact: British households are £1,500 worse off than before referendum (i News)
https://brexitlies.com/#t1
This tracks how the NHS is doing and in particular, if the promised weekly £350 million pounds have any chance to materialise. We already know that the UK never was giving £350 million to the EU, as we had a special rebate. And of course a lot of that money came back to us to renovate towns in Wales, to pay for scientific research and to help our farmers amongst other things. Now all of these are fighting to keep the money they used to get, so there is very little chance any extra money will ever reach the NHS.
90 stories selected out of 90
08.05.2019
GP Numbers show first sustained drop for 50 years (BBC News)
08.05.2019
NHS nursing crisis worsened by Brexit exodus (Guardian)
21.03.2019
Trump threatens to use US trade talks to force NHS to pay more for drugs (Telegraph)
02.03.2019
Doctors sounding the alarm over Brexit (The Times)
20.01.2019
Nigel Farage wants US-style insurance system to replace NHS (Independent)
24.12.2018
Drug firms preparing for no-deal Brexit told to sign 'gagging orders' (Guardian)
21.12.2018
I’m a care worker. The £30k immigration rule would decimate the sector (Guardian)
18.12.2018
True scale of post-Brexit NHS staff misery laid bare (Metro)
10.11.2018
Where Brexit Hurts: The Nurses and Doctors Leaving London (New York Times)
23.10.2018
Public may have to stockpile drugs in no-deal Brexit (BBC News)
15.10.2018
AstraZeneca halts UK investments due to Brexit uncertainties (src: Le monde) (Reuters World)
14.10.2018
MPs warn that Brexit means Health Department can’t ensure “supply of medicines” (London Economic)
10.10.2018
Brexit will have catastrophic effect on cancer research (Metro)
06.10.2018
Heart drug trials halted over Brexit fears (BBC News)
20.09.2018
Let American firms run hospitals, urges free trade group (The Times)
https://brexitlies.com/#t1
We need Trade Deals to sell our stuff. Otherwise, said stuff gets taxed on import, and we get more expensive than the local goods. In the EU there are no such taxes (tariffs). A trade deal takes 5 to 10 years to put together and it's not like we're in a position of strength, being on our own and all that. A hard Brexit means we're out of the Single Market and we get tariffs applied on our wares. Ouch. And as Australia has reminded us, we can't work on any deal until we're properly out. We're up for a DECADE of pain at least. And then, we'll be lucky if we get any **** deal at all.
132 stories selected out of 132
12.05.2019
Brexit trade deals will be worse than current EU deals, says Liam Fox's former trade chief (Business Insider UK)
27.03.2019
UK cannot simply trade on WTO terms after no-deal Brexit (Guardian)
24.03.2019
Brexit trade deals will be worse than current EU deals, says Liam Fox's former trade chief (Business Insider UK)
06.03.2019
No US deal for the UK unless all of Ireland protected from Brexit border fall out (Irish News)
01.03.2019
Trump tells May to abandon 'unwarranted' food standards for Brexit trade deal (Business Insider UK)
28.02.2019
US takes tough line with UK on post-Brexit trade talks (Financial Times)
20.02.2019
Taiwan objects to Britain's post-Brexit WTO services trade arrangement (Reuters World)
18.02.2019
UK-Japan trade talks sour after letter from Hunt and Fox (Financial Times)
18.02.2019
No-deal Brexit and WTO: Article 24 explained (House of Commons Library)
08.02.2019
No-deal Brexit risks rise as UK-Japan trade talks stall (Financial Times)
07.02.2019
UK told to uphold Belfast Agreement if it wants US trade deal (Irish Times)
30.01.2019
US firms seek changes to UK standards on beef and drugs (BBC News)
26.01.2019
Australian Trade Minister pours cold water on Britain's post-Brexit TPP plan (The Sunday Morning Herald)
18.01.2019
UK fails to close global trade deals ahead of Brexit deadline (Financial Times)
07.12.2018
Moldova Grudge Could Cost U.K. Access to $1.7 Trillion Projects (Bloomberg)
https://brexitlies.com/#t1
However the more extreme solutions seem more likely.
It will be interesting to see if a new leader can do any better.
The whole thing reminds me of the committee that set out to design a horse and ended up with a giraffe.
The Brexit horse was always destined to become a giraffe.
Choose between no deal, revoke, or confirmatory vote as the most likely outcome, unless something radically changes.
Even a General Election would not necessarily provide a majority in favour of a satisfactory solution.
The new leader will have little time to find a solution before the end of October.
Another consideration is that we leave without knowing where we will end up.
Any agreement on our future trading relationship could be amended during the trade negotiations, and reversed post the 2022 General Election.
There is nothing to stop a Parliamentary majority for a Customs Union, actually ending up as no deal, some years later.