I'm quite sure you know and understand the quote.People can state percentages,statistics & figures as much as they like but the fact remains that the only one that holds any truth is the referendum statistic.
That is completely true.
It is true not only for people who wish to Remain, but equally valid to people stopping us because they object to the "wrong kind of Brexit", or stopping us leaving on a so-called "bad deal".
The latter group are the ones currently denying the will of the people. Compromise is necessary. It also used to be considered very British.
Each Brexit option varies in the amount of damage it is expected to cause to the UK economy.
Whilst I agree that some factions of MPs, are acting in their own ideological interests, others refused to support the Withdrawal Agreement for genuine reasons.
I believe that Brexit is not deliverable.
Each of the factions is becoming more entrenched.
Had there been a fourth meaningful vote, I think it would have been defeated by a wider margin than the third.
I am not going into all the factions, but if you just consider the DUP.
They wont wear the backstop, under any circumstances.
They wont wear any difference in the treatment of NI compared to the rest of the UK.
Yet it already is, there are already checks, which are carried out on the ferries, and cause no disruption.
More of these checks will be required in a no deal scenario.
So their position is difficult to understand.
We only have a Tory Government because of the DUP support.
Without the DUP they have no majority.
The DUP don't know the meaning of the word compromise.
The ERG are supporting them, by claiming their loyalty to the Union.
Good lock with the compromising.
Had Theresa May added a confirmatory vote to her deal, it would have gone through with Labour support, we would know where we were heading, and Farage could have emigrated to the USA
Much has been made of the progress of the Brexit Party.
The results don't actually point to anything fantastic.
I saw Farage claiming a sensational win on the news this morning, for a party that was only set up 6 weeks ago.
As Farage is a stranger to the truth this is typical.
The Brexit Party is just the new UKIP, with exactly the same message.
UKIP was formed in 1991, and has now been killed off by the Brexit Party.
UKIP lost 24% of their 2014 vote, and Brexit got a total of 31% of the vote this time.
UKIP have lost 23 MEPs, and Brexit got 28.
The turnout was just over one third of the electorate.
So Brexit really gained 7% of one third of the electorate. Which is not very many.
When you consider the number of likely protest votes from regular supporters of the two main parties, it is very few indeed.
The votes cast in favour of anti Brexit parties exceeded those cast in favour of Brexit.
So if this was a second referendum, Nigel lost.
You seem to be one of these people for whom its all if and buts. Keep telling yourself that Brexit isnt going to happen and that everything in the garden is rosy.
It doesn't matter if only 1% of the electorate voted, that's what the result is based on, that's how elections work. NOT "well 99% didnt vote for it so it cant be the will of the people". Unless you want to make voting compulsory theres always going to be, say between 20 - 40 % of the eligible electorate unaccounted for.
If people can't be bothered to vote, that's their decision. just don't start crying when you don't like the result.
I don't really care that much about the result.
However Nigel Farage was claiming a spectacular result, for such a new party.
I was merely pointing out that his vote had only slightly increased the UKIP vote in 2014.The Brexit Party is really UKIP2. UKIP has been going for 28 years.
It is difficult to argue against this, as both parties have both the leader in common, in addition to a single solitary message.
My reason for pointing to the low turnout was just to illustrate that a small percentage increase in the vote, meant very few voters.
Farage suggested that this was a second referendum, but the stop Brexit parties got more votes than the pro Brexit parties.
I think the will of the people argument is an absolute joke.
I'm quite sure you know and understand the quote.People can state percentages,statistics & figures as much as they like but the fact remains that the only one that holds any truth is the referendum statistic.
That is completely true.
It is true not only for people who wish to Remain, but equally valid to people stopping us because they object to the "wrong kind of Brexit", or stopping us leaving on a so-called "bad deal".
The latter group are the ones currently denying the will of the people. Compromise is necessary. It also used to be considered very British.
The problem with your Customs Union compromise, of the other day is twofold.
Firstly any customs union discussions will take place in phase 2, and not help the passing of the Withdrawal Bill. So even if a customs union was agreed it would still leave us in the same mess as far as the Withdrawal Bill is concerned.
Secondly, it could only pass with opposition support. As the Political Declaration is not legal and binding, it would require trust by the opposition parties that the new Tory leader would stand by the agreement, when there would be nothing stopping him ripping it up.
How many of them would use the word trust and Boris in the same sentence.
The thing is the only people who want compromise are those who didnt want out in the first place.
Like I posted about a thousand posts ago Out means out, no negotiations, no deals, nothing , nowt, nada.
Just like a real divorce. Leave first, sort the who gets what out after. Also just like after a real divorce life goes on and gets better.
#lionsledbycowards
Are you being serious?
Yes thats what most brexit supporters voted for. No more payments to the EU. No more meddling by the ECJ. No more anything. Leave, goodbye, sayonara, go, do one, tarra, laters.
Germany still want to sell us their cars, France their wine etc. Spain will still want to fish in our waters etc except now they do it on our terms not theirs. Hello US. China, India, S.E. Asia.
The thing is the only people who want compromise are those who didnt want out in the first place.
Like I posted about a thousand posts ago Out means out, no negotiations, no deals, nothing , nowt, nada.
Just like a real divorce. Leave first, sort the who gets what out after. Also just like after a real divorce life goes on and gets better.
#lionsledbycowards
Are you being serious?
Yes thats what most brexit supporters voted for. No more payments to the EU. No more meddling by the ECJ. No more anything. Leave, goodbye, sayonara, go, do one, tarra, laters.
Germany still want to sell us their cars, France their wine etc. Spain will still want to fish in our waters etc except now they do it on our terms not theirs. Hello US. China, India, S.E. Asia.
Lets do business.
In my experience, there are 2 types of divorce. Amicable ones, and vicious ones. In one of them, the Lawyers take most of the assets as the cost of arguing. While both the Husband and the Wife think it is only the fault of the other.
There are lots of different people who voted for Brexit. With a whole range of reasons.
It's never been a problem for people wanting to sell us stuff-it is us selling our stuff to them that is the tricky bit. That and the increased cost of importing raw materials.
The other countries? US is embarking on its biggest Protectionist policy in years. The Far East? Germany has been cultivating them, trade-wise, for 100 years. Who would you rather trade with-27 countries? Or one?
Rightly or wrongly, we have based our economic model on being in the EU for 45 years. We need a clear plan going forward. I'm sure we will get one-but right now there is none. Except for imaginary trade deals. Which seem to presuppose that we can negotiate a better deal for us than the larger European market.
The thing is the only people who want compromise are those who didnt want out in the first place.
Like I posted about a thousand posts ago Out means out, no negotiations, no deals, nothing , nowt, nada.
Just like a real divorce. Leave first, sort the who gets what out after. Also just like after a real divorce life goes on and gets better.
#lionsledbycowards
Are you being serious?
Yes thats what most brexit supporters voted for. No more payments to the EU. No more meddling by the ECJ. No more anything. Leave, goodbye, sayonara, go, do one, tarra, laters.
Germany still want to sell us their cars, France their wine etc. Spain will still want to fish in our waters etc except now they do it on our terms not theirs. Hello US. China, India, S.E. Asia.
Lets do business.
In my experience, there are 2 types of divorce. Amicable ones, and vicious ones. In one of them, the Lawyers take most of the assets as the cost of arguing. While both the Husband and the Wife think it is only the fault of the other.
There are lots of different people who voted for Brexit. With a whole range of reasons.
It's never been a problem for people wanting to sell us stuff-it is us selling our stuff to them that is the tricky bit. That and the increased cost of importing raw materials.
The other countries? US is embarking on its biggest Protectionist policy in years. The Far East? Germany has been cultivating them, trade-wise, for 100 years. Who would you rather trade with-27 countries? Or one?
Rightly or wrongly, we have based our economic model on being in the EU for 45 years. We need a clear plan going forward. I'm sure we will get one-but right now there is none. Except for imaginary trade deals. Which seem to presuppose that we can negotiate a better deal for us than the larger European market.
Finally somebody who explains a point without a superior attitude.
Its difficult to answer that question without taking forever. Obviously the perfect response is to trade with as many countries as is profitably possible but the EU trade as a block which seems to be why everybody is in a flap to get a trade deal done before.
However, as a no deal Brexit advocate, I feel that this isnt really leaving merely a reworking of the status quo.
What I want is some balls from the political leaders to say to the Spanish "Ok see how long your fishing industry lasts without access to British waters " Or to the French and Polish hauliers "Ok lets see how cheap your goods are in Ireland now you cant just rock up to Holyhead or Stranraer or Liverpool and jump on a boat. No sorry gotta go the long way round". Wow Calais to Rosslare / Dun Loghaire /Dublin, thats going to put some transport costs through the roof.
Now dont get me wrong thats said slightly tongue in cheek, but Im sick of being told that we must do x y z because we are helpless to do anything else. Not so.
The first thing thats drummed into you in flight school is, in the event of a problem your first responsibility is to fly the plane whether its a single engine Cessna 152 or an Airbus A380. Not troubleshoot, not fix the problem, just fly the plane. If there are others on board let them work the checklists etc, if not stabalise the aircraft then work the problem.
It would appear that those charged with delivering the brexit plane forgot the basics and all rushed to troubleshoot. The ensuing result is a stalled plane reaching an almost unrecoverable attitude. Actions now have to be quick and decisive or the subsequent enquiry is going to say one thing.
Almost all of the papers lead on the fallout from the European elections. The Guardian reports that an exodus of Remain voters has prompted Jeremy Corbyn to change his stance on holding another Brexit referendum. In a letter, the Labour leader says only a general election or a public vote can solve the parliamentary impasse, but stresses the party is "ready to support a public vote on any deal". The Daily Mail says Mr Corbyn has been "cornered" - caught between proponents of another public vote, and allies including the union boss Len McCluskey who fear another Brexit referendum could wipe out Labour's support in northern England.
There's disagreement among some of the papers about how to interpret the election results The Guardian says pro-European voters rallied with renewed strength, "destroying" the claim that the British people want Brexit to be delivered with or without a deal. For the Sun, the idea that "Remainers" won the election is "laughable". Instead, the paper says, it was simply a damning verdict on the collective incompetence of the two main parties. Elections expert Sir John Curtice, writing in the Daily Telegraph, says there's plenty of scope for anyone to interpret the facts to suit their preferences. What's new, he says, is that many voters' views about Brexit are so strong, they're willing to abandon traditional party loyalties. The Conservatives and Labour are in a "panic" after being hammered by Nigel Farage's Brexit Party, according to the Sun. The Financial Times says the two parties are being "ripped apart" - with the Tories heading for a much harder Brexit stance - and Labour being "dragged" towards a stronger Remain position. The Daily Mirror is one of several papers to show Mr Farage celebrating victory, next to its headline, "Right Mess"
Tory leadership race The front page of The Times says contenders in the Tory leadership race have "embraced" leaving the EU without a deal, after voters flocked to opponents with decisive Brexit strategies. It says former Cabinet ministers Boris Johnson, Esther McVey, Dominic Raab and Andrea Leadsom want to see off the threat posed by Nigel Farage. The paper has also noticed that Home Secretary Sajid Javid avoided setting out his stance on leaving without an agreement, in the video declaring his candidature. The Daily Telegraph leads on Jeremy Hunt's warning that pursuing a no-deal Brexit could trigger a general election, and install Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street. The paper says the no-deal issue is becoming "pivotal" to the Tory leadership race after senior Remainers including Chancellor Philip Hammond indicated they'd rather bring down the government than back leaving the EU without a deal. The Daily Mail reports that the leader of the right-wing populist League party in Italy, Matteo Salvini, wants Nigel Farage's Brexit Party and Marine Le Pen's National Rally to be part of a new, euro-sceptic super group in the European Parliament. The paper says Mr Salvini wants to "rock the establishment", after the centrist coalition that's governed EU politics for 40 years received an electoral drubbing.
Tory leadership race The front page of The Times says contenders in the Tory leadership race have "embraced" leaving the EU without a deal, after voters flocked to opponents with decisive Brexit strategies. It says former Cabinet ministers Boris Johnson, Esther McVey, Dominic Raab and Andrea Leadsom want to see off the threat posed by Nigel Farage. The paper has also noticed that Home Secretary Sajid Javid avoided setting out his stance on leaving without an agreement, in the video declaring his candidature. The Daily Telegraph leads on Jeremy Hunt's warning that pursuing a no-deal Brexit could trigger a general election, and install Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street. The paper says the no-deal issue is becoming "pivotal" to the Tory leadership race after senior Remainers including Chancellor Philip Hammond indicated they'd rather bring down the government than back leaving the EU without a deal. The Daily Mail reports that the leader of the right-wing populist League party in Italy, Matteo Salvini, wants Nigel Farage's Brexit Party and Marine Le Pen's National Rally to be part of a new, euro-sceptic super group in the European Parliament. The paper says Mr Salvini wants to "rock the establishment", after the centrist coalition that's governed EU politics for 40 years received an electoral drubbing.
The Guardian has profiled some of the newcomers to the European Parliament from across the continent - as well as a returning familiar face. The former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, aged 82, is said to have wooed voters with talk of lowering taxes and animal rights, as he seeks a return to his home country's parliament following a six-year ban for tax fraud. Meanwhile, a coastal village in the west of Wales could become the first place in the UK to have to relocate its entire community due to climate change, according to the Daily Mirror. A plan drawn up by Gwynedd council reportedly concludes that flood defences for Fairbourne can't be bolstered after 2054, due to rising sea levels. The paper says Fairborne's 850 inhabitants could be moved elsewhere within 25 years.
Brexit will cause more damage to UK steel industry, warns trade body ‘The number one priority is to secure a withdrawal agreement as soon as possible, ending this uncertainty and avoiding the turmoil of a no-deal Brexit,’ says Gareth Stace of UK Steel
The head of the trade association for the British steel industry has warned that Brexit could cause “a great deal of damage”. Gareth Stace, the director-general of UK Steel, urged politicians to end the uncertainty, secure a withdrawal agreement and avoid the turmoil of leaving the EU without a deal.
He spoke out days after the collapse of British Steel, which put more than 4,000 jobs directly at risk and threatened a further 20,000 in the company’s supply chain.
The thing is the only people who want compromise are those who didnt want out in the first place.
Like I posted about a thousand posts ago Out means out, no negotiations, no deals, nothing , nowt, nada.
Just like a real divorce. Leave first, sort the who gets what out after. Also just like after a real divorce life goes on and gets better.
#lionsledbycowards
Are you being serious?
Yes thats what most brexit supporters voted for. No more payments to the EU. No more meddling by the ECJ. No more anything. Leave, goodbye, sayonara, go, do one, tarra, laters.
All evidence points to the contrary.
Germany still want to sell us their cars, France their wine etc. Spain will still want to fish in our waters etc except now they do it on our terms not theirs. Hello US. China, India, S.E. Asia.
A silly Boris argument. These other countries aren't exactly banging our door down. You never mention our fishing in other countries waters, for some reason. Many other countries are insisting on huge increases in visa numbers, as part of any trade deal. Many Brexit voters were against increasing immigration.
Lets do business.
They are not queueing up are they? We have access to trade deals with around 70 countries, through our EU membership. Liam Fox promised to replace 40 trade deals by 29th March, this year. Ask him how that went?
Brexit will cause more damage to UK steel industry, warns trade body ‘The number one priority is to secure a withdrawal agreement as soon as possible, ending this uncertainty and avoiding the turmoil of a no-deal Brexit,’ says Gareth Stace of UK Steel
The head of the trade association for the British steel industry has warned that Brexit could cause “a great deal of damage”. Gareth Stace, the director-general of UK Steel, urged politicians to end the uncertainty, secure a withdrawal agreement and avoid the turmoil of leaving the EU without a deal.
He spoke out days after the collapse of British Steel, which put more than 4,000 jobs directly at risk and threatened a further 20,000 in the company’s supply chain.
Firstly, headline is totally misleading. It is not Brexit that this man is warning against. Rather it is continued uncertainty, and/or a no deal. By a trade body that have stood and watched as British Steel imploded.
Secondly, just how "British" is British Steel? A lot of its workers are British, undoubtedly. But this is not the old British Steel. This one was founded in 2016. When an Asset Management Company (Greybull, founded/owned by a Frenchman) bought stuff from Tata Steel (Indian). For £1. And promised to put in £20million. And took out £20million every year. And now wants more (taxpayers) money.
Not heard of Greybull? Got an impressive record of 3 year "turnarounds".
Nothing to do with Europe. For or against. Just the excuse. Shouldn't there be a limit on how many times an Asset stripper asset management company can do this?
The thing is the only people who want compromise are those who didnt want out in the first place.
Like I posted about a thousand posts ago Out means out, no negotiations, no deals, nothing , nowt, nada.
Just like a real divorce. Leave first, sort the who gets what out after. Also just like after a real divorce life goes on and gets better.
#lionsledbycowards
This is how this usually goes.
I ask a few questions, in the interest of debate, no other reason.
You then ignore them and disappear for a bit.
You reappear and pretend they hadn't been asked.
You have clearly stated your plan.
My questions will explore whether you have thought it through properly.
All previous evidence points to the fact that you wont answer them.
I will ask them anyway.
WALKING AWAY WITH NO DEAL
What happens to the Irish border?
What happens to UK citizens living in the EU, and Europeans living in the UK?
After not paying the EU what we owe them, do we expect them to remain friendly?
Do you really think that they value a bit of money, more than Single Market integrity?
Farages message is trade on WTO rules, you realise that this involves tariffs?
Tariffs are effectively taxes, and make goods more expensive for consumers?
Why would you wish to increase the prices of food etc?
Do you think that tariffs might kill off our manufacturing industry?
If not, do you think that eliminating frictionless borders might do it?
How could just in time manufacturers cope?
How long before our car manufacturers relocate, after the imposition of 10% tariffs?
Do you think we will be worse off by losing a trade deal with the 27 other members, plus around 70 other countries?
Why would you think that imposing tariffs on our trade with these 97 countries is beneficial?
Why are you in favour of more taxes?
Why are you in favour of increasing prices to consumers, which will undoubtedly affect the poorest the most?
Do you understand that there will be no trade negotiations until we pass the Withdrawal Bill?
Are you aware that fishing is a two way street, and that we don't just let other member countries fish in our waters, we also fish in theirs?
Are you aware that we, as WTO members, already have the right to trade with the other 160 odd members without leaving the EU?
What do you think Liam Fox meant when he said "If the WTO is so good, then why would anyone do a trade deal?"
I could go on, but don't intend to. My sole purpose in asking these questions was to see if you are clear on your Brexit plan, rather than to come across as a smart ar5e. You have previously posted about your foodbank work, which I applaud.
This makes your views on Brexit, and in particular a no deal Brexit, much more difficult to comprehend, as in many people view, this will increase the number of your customers, and your existing customers will suffer the most.
I will post some referendum campaign quotes as proof of the fact that very few people, if any, thought they were voting for a no deal Brexit.
I don't consider these anti Brexit rhetoric, an accusation you made in a previous post, as they are mostly quotes from prominent figures in the leave campaign, that were made during the run up to the referendum, that many voters, unfortunately hoped were true.
Brexit will cause more damage to UK steel industry, warns trade body ‘The number one priority is to secure a withdrawal agreement as soon as possible, ending this uncertainty and avoiding the turmoil of a no-deal Brexit,’ says Gareth Stace of UK Steel
The head of the trade association for the British steel industry has warned that Brexit could cause “a great deal of damage”. Gareth Stace, the director-general of UK Steel, urged politicians to end the uncertainty, secure a withdrawal agreement and avoid the turmoil of leaving the EU without a deal.
He spoke out days after the collapse of British Steel, which put more than 4,000 jobs directly at risk and threatened a further 20,000 in the company’s supply chain.
Firstly, headline is totally misleading. It is not Brexit that this man is warning against. Rather it is continued uncertainty, and/or a no deal. By a trade body that have stood and watched as British Steel imploded.
Secondly, just how "British" is British Steel? A lot of its workers are British, undoubtedly. But this is not the old British Steel. This one was founded in 2016. When an Asset Management Company (Greybull, founded/owned by a Frenchman) bought stuff from Tata Steel (Indian). For £1. And promised to put in £20million. And took out £20million every year. And now wants more (taxpayers) money.
Not heard of Greybull? Got an impressive record of 3 year "turnarounds".
Nothing to do with Europe. For or against. Just the excuse. Shouldn't there be a limit on how many times an Asset stripper asset management company can do this?
We will soon have a new Tory leader. The current one was elected by a small number of MPs. We all know how that went. This time a fairly small number of Tory members, may have a say, unless there is a repeat of the previous leadership election. The electorate just have to accept it. We could end up with a no dealer that drags us out of the EU, without a deal. How does this go along with democracy, and the famous will of the people?
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Each Brexit option varies in the amount of damage it is expected to cause to the UK economy.
Whilst I agree that some factions of MPs, are acting in their own ideological interests, others refused to support the Withdrawal Agreement for genuine reasons.
I believe that Brexit is not deliverable.
Each of the factions is becoming more entrenched.
Had there been a fourth meaningful vote, I think it would have been defeated by a wider margin than the third.
I am not going into all the factions, but if you just consider the DUP.
They wont wear the backstop, under any circumstances.
They wont wear any difference in the treatment of NI compared to the rest of the UK.
Yet it already is, there are already checks, which are carried out on the ferries, and cause no disruption.
More of these checks will be required in a no deal scenario.
So their position is difficult to understand.
We only have a Tory Government because of the DUP support.
Without the DUP they have no majority.
The DUP don't know the meaning of the word compromise.
The ERG are supporting them, by claiming their loyalty to the Union.
Good lock with the compromising.
Had Theresa May added a confirmatory vote to her deal, it would have gone through with Labour support, we would know where we were heading, and Farage could have emigrated to the USA
https://www.facebook.com/narrellbrown/videos/10156276388626526/UzpfSTY0ODc2NjYxNDoxMDE1NjE1NzMyOTEwMTYxNQ/
Just my opinion of course, and that of the great John Lennon.
Enjoy!
I don't really care that much about the result.
However Nigel Farage was claiming a spectacular result, for such a new party.
I was merely pointing out that his vote had only slightly increased the UKIP vote in 2014.The Brexit Party is really UKIP2. UKIP has been going for 28 years.
It is difficult to argue against this, as both parties have both the leader in common, in addition to a single solitary message.
My reason for pointing to the low turnout was just to illustrate that a small percentage increase in the vote, meant very few voters.
Farage suggested that this was a second referendum, but the stop Brexit parties got more votes than the pro Brexit parties.
I think the will of the people argument is an absolute joke.
Firstly any customs union discussions will take place in phase 2, and not help the passing of the Withdrawal Bill. So even if a customs union was agreed it would still leave us in the same mess as far as the Withdrawal Bill is concerned.
Secondly, it could only pass with opposition support. As the Political Declaration is not legal and binding, it would require trust by the opposition parties that the new Tory leader would stand by the agreement, when there would be nothing stopping him ripping it up.
How many of them would use the word trust and Boris in the same sentence.
Like I posted about a thousand posts ago Out means out, no negotiations, no deals, nothing , nowt, nada.
Just like a real divorce. Leave first, sort the who gets what out after. Also just like after a real divorce life goes on and gets better.
#lionsledbycowards
Germany still want to sell us their cars, France their wine etc. Spain will still want to fish in our waters etc except now they do it on our terms not theirs. Hello US. China, India, S.E. Asia.
Lets do business.
There are lots of different people who voted for Brexit. With a whole range of reasons.
It's never been a problem for people wanting to sell us stuff-it is us selling our stuff to them that is the tricky bit. That and the increased cost of importing raw materials.
The other countries? US is embarking on its biggest Protectionist policy in years. The Far East? Germany has been cultivating them, trade-wise, for 100 years. Who would you rather trade with-27 countries? Or one?
Rightly or wrongly, we have based our economic model on being in the EU for 45 years. We need a clear plan going forward. I'm sure we will get one-but right now there is none. Except for imaginary trade deals. Which seem to presuppose that we can negotiate a better deal for us than the larger European market.
Its difficult to answer that question without taking forever. Obviously the perfect response is to trade with as many countries as is profitably possible but the EU trade as a block which seems to be why everybody is in a flap to get a trade deal done before.
However, as a no deal Brexit advocate, I feel that this isnt really leaving merely a reworking of the status quo.
What I want is some balls from the political leaders to say to the Spanish "Ok see how long your fishing industry lasts without access to British waters "
Or to the French and Polish hauliers "Ok lets see how cheap your goods are in Ireland now you cant just rock up to Holyhead or Stranraer or Liverpool and jump on a boat. No sorry gotta go the long way round". Wow Calais to Rosslare / Dun Loghaire /Dublin, thats going to put some transport costs through the roof.
Now dont get me wrong thats said slightly tongue in cheek, but Im sick of being told that we must do x y z because we are helpless to do anything else. Not so.
The first thing thats drummed into you in flight school is, in the event of a problem your first responsibility is to fly the plane whether its a single engine Cessna 152 or an Airbus A380. Not troubleshoot, not fix the problem, just fly the plane. If there are others on board let them work the checklists etc, if not stabalise the aircraft then work the problem.
It would appear that those charged with delivering the brexit plane forgot the basics and all rushed to troubleshoot. The ensuing result is a stalled plane reaching an almost unrecoverable attitude. Actions now have to be quick and decisive or the subsequent enquiry is going to say one thing.
Pilot Error.
Almost all of the papers lead on the fallout from the European elections.
The Guardian reports that an exodus of Remain voters has prompted Jeremy Corbyn to change his stance on holding another Brexit referendum.
In a letter, the Labour leader says only a general election or a public vote can solve the parliamentary impasse, but stresses the party is "ready to support a public vote on any deal".
The Daily Mail says Mr Corbyn has been "cornered" - caught between proponents of another public vote, and allies including the union boss Len McCluskey who fear another Brexit referendum could wipe out Labour's support in northern England.
There's disagreement among some of the papers about how to interpret the election results
The Guardian says pro-European voters rallied with renewed strength, "destroying" the claim that the British people want Brexit to be delivered with or without a deal.
For the Sun, the idea that "Remainers" won the election is "laughable". Instead, the paper says, it was simply a damning verdict on the collective incompetence of the two main parties.
Elections expert Sir John Curtice, writing in the Daily Telegraph, says there's plenty of scope for anyone to interpret the facts to suit their preferences. What's new, he says, is that many voters' views about Brexit are so strong, they're willing to abandon traditional party loyalties.
The Conservatives and Labour are in a "panic" after being hammered by Nigel Farage's Brexit Party, according to the Sun.
The Financial Times says the two parties are being "ripped apart" - with the Tories heading for a much harder Brexit stance - and Labour being "dragged" towards a stronger Remain position. The Daily Mirror is one of several papers to show Mr Farage celebrating victory, next to its headline, "Right Mess"
Tory leadership race
The front page of The Times says contenders in the Tory leadership race have "embraced" leaving the EU without a deal, after voters flocked to opponents with decisive Brexit strategies.
It says former Cabinet ministers Boris Johnson, Esther McVey, Dominic Raab and Andrea Leadsom want to see off the threat posed by Nigel Farage. The paper has also noticed that Home Secretary Sajid Javid avoided setting out his stance on leaving without an agreement, in the video declaring his candidature.
The Daily Telegraph leads on Jeremy Hunt's warning that pursuing a no-deal Brexit could trigger a general election, and install Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street.
The paper says the no-deal issue is becoming "pivotal" to the Tory leadership race after senior Remainers including Chancellor Philip Hammond indicated they'd rather bring down the government than back leaving the EU without a deal.
The Daily Mail reports that the leader of the right-wing populist League party in Italy, Matteo Salvini, wants Nigel Farage's Brexit Party and Marine Le Pen's National Rally to be part of a new, euro-sceptic super group in the European Parliament.
The paper says Mr Salvini wants to "rock the establishment", after the centrist coalition that's governed EU politics for 40 years received an electoral drubbing.
Tory leadership race
The front page of The Times says contenders in the Tory leadership race have "embraced" leaving the EU without a deal, after voters flocked to opponents with decisive Brexit strategies.
It says former Cabinet ministers Boris Johnson, Esther McVey, Dominic Raab and Andrea Leadsom want to see off the threat posed by Nigel Farage. The paper has also noticed that Home Secretary Sajid Javid avoided setting out his stance on leaving without an agreement, in the video declaring his candidature.
The Daily Telegraph leads on Jeremy Hunt's warning that pursuing a no-deal Brexit could trigger a general election, and install Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street.
The paper says the no-deal issue is becoming "pivotal" to the Tory leadership race after senior Remainers including Chancellor Philip Hammond indicated they'd rather bring down the government than back leaving the EU without a deal.
The Daily Mail reports that the leader of the right-wing populist League party in Italy, Matteo Salvini, wants Nigel Farage's Brexit Party and Marine Le Pen's National Rally to be part of a new, euro-sceptic super group in the European Parliament.
The paper says Mr Salvini wants to "rock the establishment", after the centrist coalition that's governed EU politics for 40 years received an electoral drubbing.
The Guardian has profiled some of the newcomers to the European Parliament from across the continent - as well as a returning familiar face. The former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, aged 82, is said to have wooed voters with talk of lowering taxes and animal rights, as he seeks a return to his home country's parliament following a six-year ban for tax fraud.
Meanwhile, a coastal village in the west of Wales could become the first place in the UK to have to relocate its entire community due to climate change, according to the Daily Mirror.
A plan drawn up by Gwynedd council reportedly concludes that flood defences for Fairbourne can't be bolstered after 2054, due to rising sea levels. The paper says Fairborne's 850 inhabitants could be moved elsewhere within 25 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48428241
‘The number one priority is to secure a withdrawal agreement as soon as possible, ending this uncertainty and avoiding the turmoil of a no-deal Brexit,’ says Gareth Stace of UK Steel
The head of the trade association for the British steel industry has warned that Brexit could cause “a great deal of damage”.
Gareth Stace, the director-general of UK Steel, urged politicians to end the uncertainty, secure a withdrawal agreement and avoid the turmoil of leaving the EU without a deal.
He spoke out days after the collapse of British Steel, which put more than 4,000 jobs directly at risk and threatened a further 20,000 in the company’s supply chain.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-british-steel-industry-job-loss-economy-industry-damage-uk-a8931071.html
We have access to trade deals with around 70 countries, through our EU membership. Liam Fox promised to replace 40 trade deals by 29th March, this year. Ask him how that went?
Firstly, headline is totally misleading. It is not Brexit that this man is warning against. Rather it is continued uncertainty, and/or a no deal. By a trade body that have stood and watched as British Steel imploded.
Secondly, just how "British" is British Steel? A lot of its workers are British, undoubtedly. But this is not the old British Steel. This one was founded in 2016. When an Asset Management Company (Greybull, founded/owned by a Frenchman) bought stuff from Tata Steel (Indian). For £1. And promised to put in £20million. And took out £20million every year. And now wants more (taxpayers) money.
Not heard of Greybull? Got an impressive record of 3 year "turnarounds".
Comet. Purchased 2011, busto 2014
Rileys. Bought 2012, busto 2014
Monarch. Purchased 2014, busto 2017
M Local. Purchased 2015, busto 2016
British Steel. Purchased 2016, busto 2019
Nothing to do with Europe. For or against. Just the excuse. Shouldn't there be a limit on how many times an
Asset stripperasset management company can do this?I ask a few questions, in the interest of debate, no other reason.
You then ignore them and disappear for a bit.
You reappear and pretend they hadn't been asked.
You have clearly stated your plan.
My questions will explore whether you have thought it through properly.
All previous evidence points to the fact that you wont answer them.
I will ask them anyway.
WALKING AWAY WITH NO DEAL
What happens to the Irish border?
What happens to UK citizens living in the EU, and Europeans living in the UK?
After not paying the EU what we owe them, do we expect them to remain friendly?
Do you really think that they value a bit of money, more than Single Market integrity?
Farages message is trade on WTO rules, you realise that this involves tariffs?
Tariffs are effectively taxes, and make goods more expensive for consumers?
Why would you wish to increase the prices of food etc?
Do you think that tariffs might kill off our manufacturing industry?
If not, do you think that eliminating frictionless borders might do it?
How could just in time manufacturers cope?
How long before our car manufacturers relocate, after the imposition of 10% tariffs?
Do you think we will be worse off by losing a trade deal with the 27 other members, plus around 70 other countries?
Why would you think that imposing tariffs on our trade with these 97 countries is beneficial?
Why are you in favour of more taxes?
Why are you in favour of increasing prices to consumers, which will undoubtedly affect the poorest the most?
Do you understand that there will be no trade negotiations until we pass the Withdrawal Bill?
Are you aware that fishing is a two way street, and that we don't just let other member countries fish in our waters, we also fish in theirs?
Are you aware that we, as WTO members, already have the right to trade with the other 160 odd members without leaving the EU?
What do you think Liam Fox meant when he said "If the WTO is so good, then why would anyone do a trade deal?"
I could go on, but don't intend to. My sole purpose in asking these questions was to see if you are clear on your Brexit plan, rather than to come across as a smart ar5e.
You have previously posted about your foodbank work, which I applaud.
This makes your views on Brexit, and in particular a no deal Brexit, much more difficult to comprehend, as in many people view, this will increase the number of your customers, and your existing customers will suffer the most.
I will post some referendum campaign quotes as proof of the fact that very few people, if any, thought they were voting for a no deal Brexit.
I don't consider these anti Brexit rhetoric, an accusation you made in a previous post, as they are mostly quotes from prominent figures in the leave campaign, that were made during the run up to the referendum, that many voters, unfortunately hoped were true.
The current one was elected by a small number of MPs.
We all know how that went.
This time a fairly small number of Tory members, may have a say, unless there is a repeat of the previous leadership election.
The electorate just have to accept it.
We could end up with a no dealer that drags us out of the EU, without a deal.
How does this go along with democracy, and the famous will of the people?