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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    edited May 2019
    Tikay10 said:


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    A couple have shortened up.

    Michael Gove was probably good value at 12 to 1.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    VespaPX said:

    Spurs & Arsenal got more combined points in the Prem than Man City.
    So London won the league.

    If the EU had threatened to kick us out of the Champions League, Europa League, and Eurovision Song Contest, we would have never voted to leave.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    Johnson to face court over claims he lied to public over Brexit



    Boris Johnson is to be summonsed to court to face accusations of misconduct in a public office, over claims he made that the UK sent the EU £350m a week.
    It relates to comments the former Mayor of London made while campaigning for the UK to leave the EU before the 2016 referendum.
    Marcus Ball has now brought a private prosecution against the former foreign secretary, saying he misled the public during the campaign and again at the 2017 general election.
    Brexit in-depth: All the latest news, analysis and expert opinion
    "Democracy demands responsible and honest leadership from those in public office," Mr Ball said previously.
    "The conduct of the proposed defendant Boris Johnson was both irresponsible and dishonest.
    "It was, we say, criminal."



    "Having considered all the relevant factors I am satisfied that this is a proper case to issue the summons as requested for the three offences as drafted. The charges are indictable only.
    "This means the proposed defendant will be required to attend this court for a preliminary hearing, and the case will then be sent to the Crown Court for trial. The charges can only be dealt with in the Crown Court."


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/johnson-to-face-court-over-claims-he-lied-to-public-over-brexit/ar-AAC4QeC?ocid=spartanntp
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,898
    Tikay10 said:


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    How long before Big Sam Allardyce's name appears on the board...
  • rabdenirorabdeniro Member Posts: 4,419
    HAYSIE said:

    Johnson to face court over claims he lied to public over Brexit



    Boris Johnson is to be summonsed to court to face accusations of misconduct in a public office, over claims he made that the UK sent the EU £350m a week.
    It relates to comments the former Mayor of London made while campaigning for the UK to leave the EU before the 2016 referendum.
    Marcus Ball has now brought a private prosecution against the former foreign secretary, saying he misled the public during the campaign and again at the 2017 general election.
    Brexit in-depth: All the latest news, analysis and expert opinion
    "Democracy demands responsible and honest leadership from those in public office," Mr Ball said previously.
    "The conduct of the proposed defendant Boris Johnson was both irresponsible and dishonest.
    "It was, we say, criminal."



    "Having considered all the relevant factors I am satisfied that this is a proper case to issue the summons as requested for the three offences as drafted. The charges are indictable only.
    "This means the proposed defendant will be required to attend this court for a preliminary hearing, and the case will then be sent to the Crown Court for trial. The charges can only be dealt with in the Crown Court."


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/johnson-to-face-court-over-claims-he-lied-to-public-over-brexit/ar-AAC4QeC?ocid=spartanntp

    A lot of them should be taken to court for their lies.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,739
    I have never been too interested in private prosecutions. They tend to be a sideshow, detracting from the main issues. "Politician told lies". Really? What a shock.

    We need to move forward with Brexit, rather than people just throwing rocks at the other side. That and actually have some meaningful debate. So-how to break the logjam?

    1. The whole idea of the Withdrawal Agreement needs to go. It was fine when it looked like it could be the first stage in a 2-stage process. But that hasn't happened. We need to look towards providing a 1-stage solution now, and then modifying it later. Ideal? No. But better than the Groundhog Day we are in now.

    2. There needs to be clear agreement about people who live permanently (not just for temporary work placements) in a different country. Expats both here and abroad. Why? Because it is the decent thing to do. Because lots of people have come here legitimately, and believe this is their home. And because I want the sort of British expat who goes abroad on a permanent basis, doesn't pay taxes here or keep any base here, to have to make a decision about where they live. Not come back and use the NHS when it suits them.

    3. We need an agreement about sharing information, particularly about European Arrest Warrants. Unless we want half of Europe's worst coming here to live.

    Not having a trade deal will be a major problem for the UK economy. But so is not knowing what will happen. And minds will be concentrating pretty swiftly to arrange a deal then. Sadly, it is our Manufacturing industry that will suffer the most.
  • madprofmadprof Member Posts: 3,444
    Odds list is incomplete..Muffin the mule is missing
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    Essexphil said:

    I have never been too interested in private prosecutions. They tend to be a sideshow, detracting from the main issues. "Politician told lies". Really? What a shock.

    We need to move forward with Brexit, rather than people just throwing rocks at the other side. That and actually have some meaningful debate. So-how to break the logjam?

    I have got nothing against measures that may make politicians think twice about bare faced lies in future, or any publicity that may put a dent in his leadership ambitions.

    1. The whole idea of the Withdrawal Agreement needs to go. It was fine when it looked like it could be the first stage in a 2-stage process. But that hasn't happened. We need to look towards providing a 1-stage solution now, and then modifying it later. Ideal? No. But better than the Groundhog Day we are in now.

    Ripping up the Withdrawal Agreement will not solve the Irish border problem. The reason for the sequencing was really obvious, and you cant blame the EU wanting to agree our terms for leaving before anything else. Secondly the EU don't negotiate trade deals with member countries. So that cant start until after we leave. How could the EU allow us to leave, without an agreement on the Irish border? Binning the WA is just more kicking of cans. As there have been so many politicians voicing the opinion that we don't need to pay them what we owe, I think Ladbrokes might offer 1,000,000 to 1 on this happening.

    3. There needs to be clear agreement about people who live permanently (not just for temporary work placements) in a different country. Expats both here and abroad. Why? Because it is the decent thing to do. Because lots of people have come here legitimately, and believe this is their home. And because I want the sort of British expat who goes abroad on a permanent basis, doesn't pay taxes here or keep any base here, to have to make a decision about where they live. Not come back and use the NHS when it suits them.

    This is included in the Withdrawal Agreement. We have been at this for over 2 years now, how difficult is it to gain agreement on three things? This should not have taken more than 2 weeks.

    4. We need an agreement about sharing information, particularly about European Arrest Warrants. Unless we want half of Europe's worst coming here to live.

    A really good benefit of membership.

    Not having a trade deal will be a major problem for the UK economy. But so is not knowing what will happen. And minds will be concentrating pretty swiftly to arrange a deal then. Sadly, it is our Manufacturing industry that will suffer the most.

    Going back in time, had the referendum posed a better question, this would be all over by now.
    Back to the present day, businesses are years away from finding out where we end up, whatever happens.
    However a confirmatory vote would immediately remove any uncertainty.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    edited June 2019
    Essexphil said:

    I have never been too interested in private prosecutions. They tend to be a sideshow, detracting from the main issues. "Politician told lies". Really? What a shock.

    We need to move forward with Brexit, rather than people just throwing rocks at the other side. That and actually have some meaningful debate. So-how to break the logjam?

    1. The whole idea of the Withdrawal Agreement needs to go. It was fine when it looked like it could be the first stage in a 2-stage process. But that hasn't happened. We need to look towards providing a 1-stage solution now, and then modifying it later. Ideal? No. But better than the Groundhog Day we are in now.

    2. There needs to be clear agreement about people who live permanently (not just for temporary work placements) in a different country. Expats both here and abroad. Why? Because it is the decent thing to do. Because lots of people have come here legitimately, and believe this is their home. And because I want the sort of British expat who goes abroad on a permanent basis, doesn't pay taxes here or keep any base here, to have to make a decision about where they live. Not come back and use the NHS when it suits them.

    3. We need an agreement about sharing information, particularly about European Arrest Warrants. Unless we want half of Europe's worst coming here to live.

    Not having a trade deal will be a major problem for the UK economy. But so is not knowing what will happen. And minds will be concentrating pretty swiftly to arrange a deal then. Sadly, it is our Manufacturing industry that will suffer the most.




    I was watching the paper review on Sky tonight, and the pundits pretty much agreed with you, that Boris shouldn't be in court, and that it was a matter for Parliament.

    Yet Parliament has done nothing about it.

    His actions have been referred to, as telling lies.

    This was clearly not the case.

    This whopping lie was printed in huge letters on the side of a bus.

    The fact that it was a lie was pointed out immediately.

    Yet he continued to use the bus, travelling around the country for months.

    This huge lie may have convinced many people to vote leave.

    It may have swung the referendum.

    The electorate love the NHS, and many dislike the EU. It was therefore a very powerful message.

    It cant be considered on a par with a politician maybe quoting the wrong set of figures in an interview, or a one off lie in an interview. You couldn't take politicians to court every time this happened.

    This was more of a fraud than a lie, and the leave campaign clearly benefitted from it.

    They always get caught out immediately when they lie these days, so the consequences are pretty minimal.

    This was something completely different, where he persisted despite knowing the claim was completely untrue.

    It would make my day if he ended up as somebodies b1 tch in jail. Giving him plenty of time to regret the message on the bus.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688























    The proposal to lower the cap on university tuition fees is covered on the front page of the Daily Telegraph, which says it will be seen as part of Theresa May's efforts to create a domestic legacy before she steps down as prime minister in July.
    The paper suggests it's likely the report's findings will be adopted by her successor in an attempt to win over younger voters.
    The Times takes a different angle on the story, saying that although fees will be capped, changes to the way they are repaid could mean some graduates are still making payments into their sixties.



    In The Daily Telegraph the former International Development Secretary, Priti Patel, has written an article calling for a fresh, new leader for the Conservative Party.
    The Tory MP says she wants Britain to leave the EU "at the earliest opportunity" so that her party can focus on other issues. She says, currently, her party is in government but not governing.
    'Instinctive prejudice'
    The Guardian runs a piece by the former prime minister, Gordon Brown, where he sets out his view that the big battle in British politics at the moment is to "resist Nigel Farage".
    In a withering attack, Mr Brown accuses the Brexit Party leader of being "anti-immigrant" and holding "instinctive prejudice". He says the Conservative Party leadership contenders have a choice between running against Farage or - as he puts it - racing to the bottom with him.
    Writing in the Daily Express, Conservative leadership candidate Esther McVey sets out her plans to increase funding for schools and the police.
    She says she wants to restore the Tories' reputation as the party of law and order and promises a 25% increase in the police budget. The former secretary of state for work and pensions also plans to guarantee officers an annual pay rise that's at least in-line with inflation, and claims it could be paid for by cutting foreign aid.
    In its editorial, the paper, says the race to become leader of the Conservatives has ended what it calls "a drought of decent policy ideas".
    It praises Esther McVey for her pledge - and urges the other candidates to "follow her lead" and "come up with groundbreaking policies". The leadership contest, it says, has to be about more than just how strong or weak you are on Brexit.

    In its editorial, the Financial Times urges all of the Tory leadership candidates to commit to abandoning the target of reducing net migration to the tens of thousands.
    It says because the target has never been reached, far-right critics are able to paint the UK's immigration system as being too lax. The paper says the next prime minister should set out a new approach which embraces the skills and talents of immigrants, rather than seeing them as a problem to be contained.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48454364
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
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    Brexit: UK car production plunges amid 'untold damage' of EU leave date chaos
    April manufacturing fell 44.5% as factories shut down for an EU exit that never
    came




    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/30/uk-car-production-plunges-amid-untold-damage-of-brexit-chaos
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    Heseltine warns Tories: don’t follow ‘poisonous politics of Nigel Farage’
    Former deputy prime minister makes plea to Conservative leadership hopefuls




    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/29/michael-heseltine-warns-tories-dont-follow-poisonous-politics-of-nigel-farage
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    Brexit party in talks to join far-right group in EU parliament
    MEP from Italy’s League party says discussions with Nigel Farage have been going well




    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/29/brexit-party-said-talks-to-join-far-right-group-in-eu-parliament
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    There’s a new battle for Britain: resistance to Nigel Farage
    Gordon Brown
    Farage wants to hijack British patriotism and drag us to a catastrophic no-deal Brexit by 31 October




    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/30/new-battle-britain-resistance-nigel-farage
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    Brexit could be put 'back to the people' in second referendum, chancellor Philip Hammond says
    'I am not sure the general election can resolve the question,' says chancellor





    Philip Hammond has said Brexit may have to be put "back to the people" if the ongoing impasse cannot be resolved by parliament.
    The chancellor signalled he could be willing to support a second referendum to solve the crisis, saying he was "not sure a general election can resolve the question".

    Mr Hammond also left the door open to standing to be the next Tory leader if his views on Brexit were not "properly represented" by another candidate.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-philip-hammond-theresa-may-latest-news-a8936091.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    When you read the headline, you just know it is a good thing to do.


    Brexit news: Rees-Mogg rages over move to put Boris Johnson on trial for 'lying and misleading', as rival launches expletive-laden attack

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-today-eu-deal-boris-johnson-rory-stewart-raab-hancock-tory-leadership-a8934181.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,688
    I was told to ‘go home’ because I am a pro-Europe MEP. This torrent of bitter abuse must be stopped
    I am everything that Brexit Party activists despise: an immigration success story, a woman in a position of power and a proud evangelist for the European Union


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-party-nigel-farage-abuse-neena-gill-labour-mep-go-home-a8936001.html
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