Finally somebody who explains a point without a superior attitude.
Its difficult to answer that question without taking forever. Obviously the perfect response is to trade with as many countries as is profitably possible but the EU trade as a block which seems to be why everybody is in a flap to get a trade deal done before.
We currently trade with around 97 countries through our EU membership.
However, as a no deal Brexit advocate, I feel that this isnt really leaving merely a reworking of the status quo.
Clearly untrue.
What I want is some balls from the political leaders to say to the Spanish "Ok see how long your fishing industry lasts without access to British waters "
We sell most of our fish to the EU without tariffs, and also fish in their waters.
Or to the French and Polish hauliers "Ok lets see how cheap your goods are in Ireland now you cant just rock up to Holyhead or Stranraer or Liverpool and jump on a boat. No sorry gotta go the long way round". Wow Calais to Rosslare / Dun Loghaire /Dublin, thats going to put some transport costs through the roof.
What on earth would cause this to occur? Are you saying we will stop European lorries entering the country?
Are you saying that you are in favour of bankrupting British companies that currently source components from Europe, by increasing the costs of sourcing these components, in addition to the cost of tariffs?
With no border in Ireland how are you going to stop illegal immigrants coming in?
Now dont get me wrong thats said slightly tongue in cheek, but Im sick of being told that we must do x y z because we are helpless to do anything else. Not so.
Who is saying we are helpless, whether we remain or leave?
The first thing thats drummed into you in flight school is, in the event of a problem your first responsibility is to fly the plane whether its a single engine Cessna 152 or an Airbus A380. Not troubleshoot, not fix the problem, just fly the plane. If there are others on board let them work the checklists etc, if not stabalise the aircraft then work the problem.
I don't understand how this is relevant to your argument.
It would appear that those charged with delivering the brexit plane forgot the basics and all rushed to troubleshoot. The ensuing result is a stalled plane reaching an almost unrecoverable attitude. Actions now have to be quick and decisive or the subsequent enquiry is going to say one thing.
The position we are in is that there is not a majority in Parliament that will vote in favour of passing the Withdrawal Bill, that's it end of.
To do any trade with the EU, we have to pass it. There will be no trade otherwise.
There is absolutely nobody that is suggesting that a no deal should be an end result.
So everyone who supports no deal really means, do a deal later, rather than stop trading altogether, forever.
So to suggest no deal, to me, is ridiculous, because nobody really means no deal.
Nothing to do with planes, troubleshooting, or pilots.
I see you are unable to grasp an analogy. My apologies I thought you were more savvy.
Clearly remain supporters need the big wax crayon version.
Why would you come up with such a silly post instead of addressing the genuine points that I made regarding your posts, in the hope of a proper debate.
I see you are unable to grasp an analogy. My apologies I thought you were more savvy.
Clearly remain supporters need the big wax crayon version.
Remainers won these elections – and they’d win a second Brexit referendum
In these elections remain was the winner, not Farage. What mattered beyond the number of seats won was the sum of remain votes. Lib Dem, Green, Scottish National party, Plaid Cymru and Change UK outpolled Brexit and Ukip by 40.4% remain to 34.9% hard Brexit. Now add in Labour and Conservative votes, divided – as pollsters Britain Thinks and YouGov suggest – by allocating 80% of Tory votes to leave, and 60% of Labour votes to remain. That suggests a remain win in a referendum by 50% to 47%. Certain? Of course not – it’s close – but this three-point remain majority certainly makes it a democratic outrage to press ahead with any kind of Brexit without giving voters the final say. And what is not in doubt is that there’s a clear majority against a no-deal Brexit.
I see you are unable to grasp an analogy. My apologies I thought you were more savvy.
Clearly remain supporters need the big wax crayon version.
This is how this usually goes.
I ask a few questions, in the interest of debate, no other reason.
You then ignore them and disappear for a bit.
You reappear and pretend they hadn't been asked.
You have clearly stated your plan.
My questions will explore whether you have thought it through properly.
All previous evidence points to the fact that you wont answer them.
I will ask them anyway.
WALKING AWAY WITH NO DEAL
What happens to the Irish border?
What happens to UK citizens living in the EU, and Europeans living in the UK?
After not paying the EU what we owe them, do we expect them to remain friendly?
Do you really think that they value a bit of money, more than Single Market integrity?
Farages message is trade on WTO rules, you realise that this involves tariffs?
Tariffs are effectively taxes, and make goods more expensive for consumers?
Why would you wish to increase the prices of food etc?
Do you think that tariffs might kill off our manufacturing industry?
If not, do you think that eliminating frictionless borders might do it?
How could just in time manufacturers cope?
How long before our car manufacturers relocate, after the imposition of 10% tariffs?
Do you think we will be worse off by losing a trade deal with the 27 other members, plus around 70 other countries?
Why would you think that imposing tariffs on our trade with these 97 countries is beneficial?
Why are you in favour of more taxes?
Why are you in favour of increasing prices to consumers, which will undoubtedly affect the poorest the most?
Do you understand that there will be no trade negotiations until we pass the Withdrawal Bill?
Are you aware that fishing is a two way street, and that we don't just let other member countries fish in our waters, we also fish in theirs?
Are you aware that we, as WTO members, already have the right to trade with the other 160 odd members without leaving the EU?
What do you think Liam Fox meant when he said "If the WTO is so good, then why would anyone do a trade deal?"
I could go on, but don't intend to. My sole purpose in asking these questions was to see if you are clear on your Brexit plan, rather than to come across as a smart ar5e. You have previously posted about your foodbank work, which I applaud.
This makes your views on Brexit, and in particular a no deal Brexit, much more difficult to comprehend, as in many people view, this will increase the number of your customers, and your existing customers will suffer the most.
I will post some referendum campaign quotes as proof of the fact that very few people, if any, thought they were voting for a no deal Brexit.
I don't consider these anti Brexit rhetoric, an accusation you made in a previous post, as they are mostly quotes from prominent figures in the leave campaign, that were made during the run up to the referendum, that many voters, unfortunately hoped were true.
EU president warns Tory leadership candidates there will be no Brexit renegotiation as May arrives in Brussels after Euro elections disaster for Tories
EU President Jean-Claude Juncker has ruled out renegotiating Theresa May's Brexit deal. The announcement comes as a major blow to several Conservative leadership candidates, who have insisted on re-opening talks with Brussels if elected. Arriving at a summit in Brussels on Tuesday, Mr Juncker told reporters: "I was crystal clear. There will be no renegotiation." It comes as Theresa May lands in Brussels for her last EU summit as prime minister following the disastrous results for the Conservative Party in the European elections. Theresa May arrives at EU summit in Brussels On the doorstep of the same meeting Theresa May also warned her potential successors against leaving the EU without a deal. She said she was “not going to comment on the views of individual candidates”, but added: “I continue to have the view that it’s best for the UK to leave with a deal.”
Alastair Campbell expelled by Labour after voting for Lib Dems in protest at Brexit stance
Labour has expelled Alastair Campbell after he voted for the Liberal Democrats in the European elections to push for a fresh Brexit referendum. Tony Blair’s former spin chief attacked the decision, contrasting the ruthless approach with “the way antisemitism cases have been handled”. “I have been advised by lawyers with expertise in this field I have grounds for appeal against expulsion and shall do so,” Mr Campbell tweeted. Read more: Blair attacks Corbyn for 'same Brexit mistake' as May (Sky News) Last week, the lifelong Labour supporter revealed had turned his back on the party for the first time ever, voting instead for the Lib Dems because of their outright support for a Final Say referendum. Labour then crashed to a disastrous third place in the EU elections, triggering fresh pressure on Jeremy Corbyn to abandon his fence-sitting on the crucial issue. However, a party spokesman insisted: “Support for another political party or candidate is incompatible with party membership.”
Blair attacks Corbyn for 'same Brexit mistake' as May
Tony Blair has accused Jeremy Corbyn of making the "same mistake" as Theresa May for trying to "sit on the fence" on Brexit.
The former Labour prime minister told Sky News his party had to stop "equivocating" and called for it to campaign explicitly for another referendum. He admitted voting Labour "without any great enthusiasm" in the European elections on Thursday, which saw Labour pushed into third place behind the Brexit Party and Liberal Democrats.
Brexit: John Bercow warns Tory leadership hardliners that MPs can still block no-deal
John Bercow has warned Tory leadership contenders threatening to crash out of the EU without an agreement in October that the Commons is likely to block it. The Speaker dismissed expert opinion that MPs had lost their opportunity to stop a no- John Bercow has warned Tory leadership contenders threatening to crash out of the EU without an agreement in October that the Commons is likely to block it. The Speaker dismissed expert opinion that MPs had lost their opportunity to stop a no-deal Brexit, insisting: “The idea the House won't have its say is for the birds.” Boris Johnson has insisted the UK will leave on 31 October “deal or no deal” – with rival contenders quick to adopt the favourite’s hardline stance. But, speaking in America, Mr Bercow said: “The idea that parliament is going to be evacuated from the centre stage of debate on Brexit is unimaginable.” He agreed leaving without a deal was the default position, but added: “There is a difference between a legal default position and what the interplay of different political forces in parliament will facilitate.” The comments come after Dominic Raab, a leading Brexiteer candidate, predicted that MPs would fail to prevent him carrying out a Halloween night crash-out, if he wins the race to No 10. They will increase the expectation the Mr Bercow will find a way for MPs to stage a vote – perhaps on an emergency debate, as he has hinted in the past – allowing a fresh law to block no-deal to be passed. Some pro-EU Tories – including Philip Hammond, the chancellor – have floated toppling their own government by supporting a no-confidence vote, as another mechanism. Mr Bercow also said he had “nothing to add to or subtract from” his past attack on Donald Trump, when he banned him from speaking to parliament. The ban is widely seen as having prevented the US president from making an address on his State Visit next week – with both No 10 and Washington keen to avoid further controversy. Addressing an event in Washington, the Speaker admitted he made an error when he invited the Chinese president, Xi Jinping – a leader condemned for human rights abuses – to address parliament. “You make mistakes. Looking back, do I think there’s a powerful argument that says perhaps the Chinese president should not have been invited? Was it necessarily the right decision? No,” he said. And he risked stepping into the leadership contest by praising both Michael Gove and Jeremy Hunt as “extremely capable ministers” with “the intellectual self-confidence as well as the communication skill" to thrive in the chamber – as well as hailing their “pursuit of consensus”.
Jeremy Corbyn is facing a mutiny from his party, according to the Daily Telegraph, following a direct challenge to his authority by senior Labour figures. Former Cabinet ministers including Charles Clarke and Bob Ainsworth are said to have "publicly dared Mr Corbyn to expel them", after they - like Alastair Campbell - admitted voting for other parties in the European elections. The former Home Office minister, Fiona Mactaggart, is quoted as saying "it is time for all of us to declare; I am Spartacus". The paper says Mr Corbyn must now decide whether to expel those who have spoken out - and risk similar admissions from other Labour members - or climb down over the decision to throw Mr Campbell out of the party for voting Liberal Democrat.
The front page of the Daily Mail highlights what it calls the "potentially explosive intervention" into Labour's anti-Semitism crisis by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC). According to the paper, the decision to launch a formal inquiry into whether Labour victimised Jews made Tuesday "one of the most shameful days in the party's history". Several leader columns are highly critical of Labour, in the wake of the decision by the EHRC to launch that formal inquiry. According to The Times, Labour's leadership ought to feel shame at the disgrace of being investigated, "but instead exhibit nothing but self-righteous moral certainty". There is, it says, a marked contrast between the alacrity with which Alastair Campbell has been thrown out of the party for voting Lib Dem, and the glacial pace at which allegations of anti-Semitism are dealt with.
'The Party's over" The Daily Mail agrees, arguing it's "degrading" that a party with a proud history of fighting bigotry "should sink so low". Asking "how can decent people stomach Labour anymore?", the Sun's leader column points out that only once before has the racism watchdog investigated a political party - and that was the BNP. "That's how far the once great Labour party has sunk", it says. "For the moderates, the Party's over". The Daily Mirror reports that Jeremy Corbyn is "poised" to support a second referendum with senior Labour figures saying he could announce his backing "within days". According to the paper's editorial, the move "must now be inevitable", given the number of votes the party lost to the Lib Dems and Greens in the European elections.
A Conservative leadership contender, Esther McVey, has told the Daily Telegraph that the only way to deliver the referendum result is to "actively embrace" leaving without a deal. The former minister argues that plans to renegotiate with the EU are a waste of time and says "political suicide" lies in failing to secure a clean break with Brussels. The Times says Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt is losing support to Environment Secretary Michael Gove in the Conservative leadership race "because MPs believe he is flip-flopping on a no-deal Brexit". Mr Hunt is said to have "infuriated" Brexiteers who were considering him as a "safer" alternative to Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab - by warning that no-deal would be suicide for the Tories, after previously saying he would choose no-deal over no-Brexit. An unnamed former Cabinet minister has told the paper that Mr Gove "is the coming figure for centrist MPs". Another leadership contender, Sajid Javid, has set his stall out in the Sun - pledging to recruit an extra 20,000 police officers, and put bobbies on the beat "in every corner of the country".
The home secretary tells the paper he's been fighting for more officers for the past year - and would put the money in to make it happen as prime minister. "More police on the beat means less crime on the streets", he writes - prompting the Sun to suggest he is "flatly contradicting" Theresa May, after she "repeatedly denied funding cuts are to blame for the rise in serious violence". John Bercow's pledge to stay on as Commons Speaker - despite previous expectations that he would leave the post this summer - is highlighted by the Guardian. It thinks the clarification of his position "will enrage" hard-line Eurosceptics who believe he wants to thwart a no-deal Brexit - and be seen as a rebuke to Conservative leadership hopefuls such as Boris Johnson, who have said Britain must leave the EU by the end of October "no matter what". The Daily Telegraph says the outgoing victims' commissioner is calling on courts and judges to be "more honest" about the length of sentences offenders will serve. Lady Newlove is said to be concerned victims are losing confidence in the justice system, because they see "misleading" headline sentences, instead of being given a "realistic assessment" of how long a criminal will spend in jail. The paper says her intervention comes amid calls for a rethink of early release and it suggests the Justice Secretary, David Gauke, "needs to address" the issue, as he attempts to reduce the prison population.
Go on then Jez, #expelmetoo: Labour voters launch huge twitter campaign as ex-ministers including Charles Clarke and Bob Ainsworth dare Corbyn to expel them after 'lifelong member' Alastair Campbell is booted out for voting Lib Dem at the EU elections Former Labour spinner thrown out after he admitted backing another party He revealed expulsion in series of tweets - but said he would appeal the decision Bob Ainsworth, ex-defence secretary, expected to be expelled for voting Green Tony Blair says Campbell wouldn't have been the only Labour member who did it Critics say Campbell thrown out quicker than members found to be anti-Semitic
Labour members and former ministers today dared Jeremy Corbyn to throw them out of the party after Alastair Campbell's dramatically ejection for voting Liberal Democrat. Voters who have backed Labour for decades have been using the hashtag #expelmetoo and posted pictures of the ballot papers showing they voted for a different party at the European elections last week. Tony Blair's home secretary Charles Clarke also voted Lib Dem in a ‘one-off decision’, ex-defence secretary Bob Ainsworth backed the Greens last week while former MP Fiona Mactaggart dared Labour to expel her after she revealed on Twitter she had not voted for the party. BBC Newsnight claims they will not be thrown out because Alastair Campbell's case is considered more serious because he revealed his Lib Dem support on live TV. The decision to throw Tony Blair's former spin doctor out of the part has left Labour and Mr Corbyn facing a mass rebellion. Thousands have tweeted the phrase #expelmetoo to admit voting for another party - some have emailed Labour confessing and others have written to the party's HQ in London. Many are irate that those accused of anti-Semitism or threatening anti-Corbyn MPs have remained in the party but it took just 36 hours to expel Mr Campbell.
Jeremy Corbyn to back second Brexit referendum and could agree new vote in days EXCLUSIVE The Labour leader has come under mounting pressure about the party's position in the wake of the EU elections
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Its difficult to answer that question without taking forever. Obviously the perfect response is to trade with as many countries as is profitably possible but the EU trade as a block which seems to be why everybody is in a flap to get a trade deal done before.
We currently trade with around 97 countries through our EU membership.
However, as a no deal Brexit advocate, I feel that this isnt really leaving merely a reworking of the status quo.
Clearly untrue.
What I want is some balls from the political leaders to say to the Spanish "Ok see how long your fishing industry lasts without access to British waters "
We sell most of our fish to the EU without tariffs, and also fish in their waters.
Or to the French and Polish hauliers "Ok lets see how cheap your goods are in Ireland now you cant just rock up to Holyhead or Stranraer or Liverpool and jump on a boat. No sorry gotta go the long way round". Wow Calais to Rosslare / Dun Loghaire /Dublin, thats going to put some transport costs through the roof.
What on earth would cause this to occur?
Are you saying we will stop European lorries entering the country?
Are you saying that you are in favour of bankrupting British companies that currently source components from Europe, by increasing the costs of sourcing these components, in addition to the cost of tariffs?
With no border in Ireland how are you going to stop illegal immigrants coming in?
Now dont get me wrong thats said slightly tongue in cheek, but Im sick of being told that we must do x y z because we are helpless to do anything else. Not so.
Who is saying we are helpless, whether we remain or leave?
The first thing thats drummed into you in flight school is, in the event of a problem your first responsibility is to fly the plane whether its a single engine Cessna 152 or an Airbus A380. Not troubleshoot, not fix the problem, just fly the plane. If there are others on board let them work the checklists etc, if not stabalise the aircraft then work the problem.
I don't understand how this is relevant to your argument.
It would appear that those charged with delivering the brexit plane forgot the basics and all rushed to troubleshoot. The ensuing result is a stalled plane reaching an almost unrecoverable attitude. Actions now have to be quick and decisive or the subsequent enquiry is going to say one thing.
The position we are in is that there is not a majority in Parliament that will vote in favour of passing the Withdrawal Bill, that's it end of.
To do any trade with the EU, we have to pass it. There will be no trade otherwise.
There is absolutely nobody that is suggesting that a no deal should be an end result.
So everyone who supports no deal really means, do a deal later, rather than stop trading altogether, forever.
So to suggest no deal, to me, is ridiculous, because nobody really means no deal.
Nothing to do with planes, troubleshooting, or pilots.
Pilot Error.
Clearly remain supporters need the big wax crayon version.
It was a very silly analogy.
You usually disappear when there are questions knocking about.
Remainers won these elections – and they’d win a second Brexit referendum
In these elections remain was the winner, not Farage. What mattered beyond the number of seats won was the sum of remain votes. Lib Dem, Green, Scottish National party, Plaid Cymru and Change UK outpolled Brexit and Ukip by 40.4% remain to 34.9% hard Brexit. Now add in Labour and Conservative votes, divided – as pollsters Britain Thinks and YouGov suggest – by allocating 80% of Tory votes to leave, and 60% of Labour votes to remain. That suggests a remain win in a referendum by 50% to 47%. Certain? Of course not – it’s close – but this three-point remain majority certainly makes it a democratic outrage to press ahead with any kind of Brexit without giving voters the final say. And what is not in doubt is that there’s a clear majority against a no-deal Brexit.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/remainers-won-these-elections-–-and-theyd-win-a-second-brexit-referendum/ar-AAC1lhq?ocid=spartandhp
So London won the league.
This is how this usually goes.
I ask a few questions, in the interest of debate, no other reason.
You then ignore them and disappear for a bit.
You reappear and pretend they hadn't been asked.
You have clearly stated your plan.
My questions will explore whether you have thought it through properly.
All previous evidence points to the fact that you wont answer them.
I will ask them anyway.
WALKING AWAY WITH NO DEAL
What happens to the Irish border?
What happens to UK citizens living in the EU, and Europeans living in the UK?
After not paying the EU what we owe them, do we expect them to remain friendly?
Do you really think that they value a bit of money, more than Single Market integrity?
Farages message is trade on WTO rules, you realise that this involves tariffs?
Tariffs are effectively taxes, and make goods more expensive for consumers?
Why would you wish to increase the prices of food etc?
Do you think that tariffs might kill off our manufacturing industry?
If not, do you think that eliminating frictionless borders might do it?
How could just in time manufacturers cope?
How long before our car manufacturers relocate, after the imposition of 10% tariffs?
Do you think we will be worse off by losing a trade deal with the 27 other members, plus around 70 other countries?
Why would you think that imposing tariffs on our trade with these 97 countries is beneficial?
Why are you in favour of more taxes?
Why are you in favour of increasing prices to consumers, which will undoubtedly affect the poorest the most?
Do you understand that there will be no trade negotiations until we pass the Withdrawal Bill?
Are you aware that fishing is a two way street, and that we don't just let other member countries fish in our waters, we also fish in theirs?
Are you aware that we, as WTO members, already have the right to trade with the other 160 odd members without leaving the EU?
What do you think Liam Fox meant when he said "If the WTO is so good, then why would anyone do a trade deal?"
I could go on, but don't intend to. My sole purpose in asking these questions was to see if you are clear on your Brexit plan, rather than to come across as a smart ar5e.
You have previously posted about your foodbank work, which I applaud.
This makes your views on Brexit, and in particular a no deal Brexit, much more difficult to comprehend, as in many people view, this will increase the number of your customers, and your existing customers will suffer the most.
I will post some referendum campaign quotes as proof of the fact that very few people, if any, thought they were voting for a no deal Brexit.
I don't consider these anti Brexit rhetoric, an accusation you made in a previous post, as they are mostly quotes from prominent figures in the leave campaign, that were made during the run up to the referendum, that many voters, unfortunately hoped were true.
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EU President Jean-Claude Juncker has ruled out renegotiating Theresa May's Brexit deal.
The announcement comes as a major blow to several Conservative leadership candidates, who have insisted on re-opening talks with Brussels if elected.
Arriving at a summit in Brussels on Tuesday, Mr Juncker told reporters: "I was crystal clear. There will be no renegotiation."
It comes as Theresa May lands in Brussels for her last EU summit as prime minister following the disastrous results for the Conservative Party in the European elections.
Theresa May arrives at EU summit in Brussels
On the doorstep of the same meeting Theresa May also warned her potential successors against leaving the EU without a deal.
She said she was “not going to comment on the views of individual candidates”, but added: “I continue to have the view that it’s best for the UK to leave with a deal.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/eu-president-warns-tory-leadership-candidates-there-will-be-no-brexit-renegotiation-as-may-arrives-in-brussels-after-euro-elections-disaster-for-tories/ar-AAC2t1I?ocid=spartandhp
Labour has expelled Alastair Campbell after he voted for the Liberal Democrats in the European elections to push for a fresh Brexit referendum.
Tony Blair’s former spin chief attacked the decision, contrasting the ruthless approach with “the way antisemitism cases have been handled”.
“I have been advised by lawyers with expertise in this field I have grounds for appeal against expulsion and shall do so,” Mr Campbell tweeted.
Read more: Blair attacks Corbyn for 'same Brexit mistake' as May (Sky News)
Last week, the lifelong Labour supporter revealed had turned his back on the party for the first time ever, voting instead for the Lib Dems because of their outright support for a Final Say referendum.
Labour then crashed to a disastrous third place in the EU elections, triggering fresh pressure on Jeremy Corbyn to abandon his fence-sitting on the crucial issue.
However, a party spokesman insisted: “Support for another political party or candidate is incompatible with party membership.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/alastair-campbell-expelled-by-labour-after-voting-for-lib-dems-in-protest-at-brexit-stance/ar-AAC1Nmi?ocid=spartandhp
Tony Blair has accused Jeremy Corbyn of making the "same mistake" as Theresa May for trying to "sit on the fence" on Brexit.
The former Labour prime minister told Sky News his party had to stop "equivocating" and called for it to campaign explicitly for another referendum.
He admitted voting Labour "without any great enthusiasm" in the European elections on Thursday, which saw Labour pushed into third place behind the Brexit Party and Liberal Democrats.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/blair-attacks-corbyn-for-same-brexit-mistake-as-may/ar-AAC1D2W?ocid=spartandhp
John Bercow has warned Tory leadership contenders threatening to crash out of the EU without an agreement in October that the Commons is likely to block it.
The Speaker dismissed expert opinion that MPs had lost their opportunity to stop a no-
John Bercow has warned Tory leadership contenders threatening to crash out of the EU without an agreement in October that the Commons is likely to block it.
The Speaker dismissed expert opinion that MPs had lost their opportunity to stop a no-deal Brexit, insisting: “The idea the House won't have its say is for the birds.”
Boris Johnson has insisted the UK will leave on 31 October “deal or no deal” – with rival contenders quick to adopt the favourite’s hardline stance.
But, speaking in America, Mr Bercow said: “The idea that parliament is going to be evacuated from the centre stage of debate on Brexit is unimaginable.”
He agreed leaving without a deal was the default position, but added: “There is a difference between a legal default position and what the interplay of different political forces in parliament will facilitate.”
The comments come after Dominic Raab, a leading Brexiteer candidate, predicted that MPs would fail to prevent him carrying out a Halloween night crash-out, if he wins the race to No 10.
They will increase the expectation the Mr Bercow will find a way for MPs to stage a vote – perhaps on an emergency debate, as he has hinted in the past – allowing a fresh law to block no-deal to be passed.
Some pro-EU Tories – including Philip Hammond, the chancellor – have floated toppling their own government by supporting a no-confidence vote, as another mechanism.
Mr Bercow also said he had “nothing to add to or subtract from” his past attack on Donald Trump, when he banned him from speaking to parliament.
The ban is widely seen as having prevented the US president from making an address on his State Visit next week – with both No 10 and Washington keen to avoid further controversy.
Addressing an event in Washington, the Speaker admitted he made an error when he invited the Chinese president, Xi Jinping – a leader condemned for human rights abuses – to address parliament.
“You make mistakes. Looking back, do I think there’s a powerful argument that says perhaps the Chinese president should not have been invited? Was it necessarily the right decision? No,” he said.
And he risked stepping into the leadership contest by praising both Michael Gove and Jeremy Hunt as “extremely capable ministers” with “the intellectual self-confidence as well as the communication skill" to thrive in the chamber – as well as hailing their “pursuit of consensus”.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/brexit-john-bercow-warns-tory-141709510.html
I used to grow strawberries and runner beans.
Sorry, thought you said plant.
Jeremy Corbyn is facing a mutiny from his party, according to the Daily Telegraph, following a direct challenge to his authority by senior Labour figures.
Former Cabinet ministers including Charles Clarke and Bob Ainsworth are said to have "publicly dared Mr Corbyn to expel them", after they - like Alastair Campbell - admitted voting for other parties in the European elections. The former Home Office minister, Fiona Mactaggart, is quoted as saying "it is time for all of us to declare; I am Spartacus".
The paper says Mr Corbyn must now decide whether to expel those who have spoken out - and risk similar admissions from other Labour members - or climb down over the decision to throw Mr Campbell out of the party for voting Liberal Democrat.
The front page of the Daily Mail highlights what it calls the "potentially explosive intervention" into Labour's anti-Semitism crisis by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC).
According to the paper, the decision to launch a formal inquiry into whether Labour victimised Jews made Tuesday "one of the most shameful days in the party's history".
Several leader columns are highly critical of Labour, in the wake of the decision by the EHRC to launch that formal inquiry.
According to The Times, Labour's leadership ought to feel shame at the disgrace of being investigated, "but instead exhibit nothing but self-righteous moral certainty".
There is, it says, a marked contrast between the alacrity with which Alastair Campbell has been thrown out of the party for voting Lib Dem, and the glacial pace at which allegations of anti-Semitism are dealt with.
'The Party's over"
The Daily Mail agrees, arguing it's "degrading" that a party with a proud history of fighting bigotry "should sink so low".
Asking "how can decent people stomach Labour anymore?", the Sun's leader column points out that only once before has the racism watchdog investigated a political party - and that was the BNP. "That's how far the once great Labour party has sunk", it says. "For the moderates, the Party's over".
The Daily Mirror reports that Jeremy Corbyn is "poised" to support a second referendum with senior Labour figures saying he could announce his backing "within days". According to the paper's editorial, the move "must now be inevitable", given the number of votes the party lost to the Lib Dems and Greens in the European elections.
A Conservative leadership contender, Esther McVey, has told the Daily Telegraph that the only way to deliver the referendum result is to "actively embrace" leaving without a deal.
The former minister argues that plans to renegotiate with the EU are a waste of time and says "political suicide" lies in failing to secure a clean break with Brussels.
The Times says Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt is losing support to Environment Secretary Michael Gove in the Conservative leadership race "because MPs believe he is flip-flopping on a no-deal Brexit".
Mr Hunt is said to have "infuriated" Brexiteers who were considering him as a "safer" alternative to Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab - by warning that no-deal would be suicide for the Tories, after previously saying he would choose no-deal over no-Brexit. An unnamed former Cabinet minister has told the paper that Mr Gove "is the coming figure for centrist MPs".
Another leadership contender, Sajid Javid, has set his stall out in the Sun - pledging to recruit an extra 20,000 police officers, and put bobbies on the beat "in every corner of the country".
The home secretary tells the paper he's been fighting for more officers for the past year - and would put the money in to make it happen as prime minister.
"More police on the beat means less crime on the streets", he writes - prompting the Sun to suggest he is "flatly contradicting" Theresa May, after she "repeatedly denied funding cuts are to blame for the rise in serious violence".
John Bercow's pledge to stay on as Commons Speaker - despite previous expectations that he would leave the post this summer - is highlighted by the Guardian.
It thinks the clarification of his position "will enrage" hard-line Eurosceptics who believe he wants to thwart a no-deal Brexit - and be seen as a rebuke to Conservative leadership hopefuls such as Boris Johnson, who have said Britain must leave the EU by the end of October "no matter what".
The Daily Telegraph says the outgoing victims' commissioner is calling on courts and judges to be "more honest" about the length of sentences offenders will serve.
Lady Newlove is said to be concerned victims are losing confidence in the justice system, because they see "misleading" headline sentences, instead of being given a "realistic assessment" of how long a criminal will spend in jail.
The paper says her intervention comes amid calls for a rethink of early release and it suggests the Justice Secretary, David Gauke, "needs to address" the issue, as he attempts to reduce the prison population.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48428241
Former Labour spinner thrown out after he admitted backing another party
He revealed expulsion in series of tweets - but said he would appeal the decision
Bob Ainsworth, ex-defence secretary, expected to be expelled for voting Green
Tony Blair says Campbell wouldn't have been the only Labour member who did it
Critics say Campbell thrown out quicker than members found to be anti-Semitic
Labour members and former ministers today dared Jeremy Corbyn to throw them out of the party after Alastair Campbell's dramatically ejection for voting Liberal Democrat.
Voters who have backed Labour for decades have been using the hashtag #expelmetoo and posted pictures of the ballot papers showing they voted for a different party at the European elections last week.
Tony Blair's home secretary Charles Clarke also voted Lib Dem in a ‘one-off decision’, ex-defence secretary Bob Ainsworth backed the Greens last week while former MP Fiona Mactaggart dared Labour to expel her after she revealed on Twitter she had not voted for the party.
BBC Newsnight claims they will not be thrown out because Alastair Campbell's case is considered more serious because he revealed his Lib Dem support on live TV.
The decision to throw Tony Blair's former spin doctor out of the part has left Labour and Mr Corbyn facing a mass rebellion.
Thousands have tweeted the phrase #expelmetoo to admit voting for another party - some have emailed Labour confessing and others have written to the party's HQ in London.
Many are irate that those accused of anti-Semitism or threatening anti-Corbyn MPs have remained in the party but it took just 36 hours to expel Mr Campbell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7081299/Go-Jez-expelmetoo-Labour-members-irate-Alastair-Campbell-booted-out.html
EXCLUSIVE The Labour leader has come under mounting pressure about the party's position in the wake of the EU elections
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-set-back-second-16215943