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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    edited June 2019
    Brexit: Rory Stewart accuses Conservative rivals of 'misleading' voters on prospect of new deal
    The international development secretary warned rivals to be "straight" with voters or risk "collapsing the country"




    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/brexit-latest-rory-stewart-deal-conservative-vote-boris-johnson-misleading-a8945156.html

    "The only way we are going to avoid tumbling into a disastrous election or collapsing this country is if we avoid politicians pretending they are going to get a better deal from Brussels - which they won't - or pretending they will get a new deal by October - which they won't - or pretending that they can take a no-deal through - which they won't."
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    Dominic Raab prepared to BREAK UP PARLIAMENT to force no deal Brexit - 'Out by October'
    TORY leadership hopeful Dominic Raab has vowed he is will to do whatever it takes to ensure the UK leaves the EU by the end of October - including breaking up Parliament until after the Halloween deadline.


    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1136806/brexit-news-dominic-raab-no-deal-brexit-eu-tory-leadership-race-latest
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    ‘Dead, dead, dead!’ Brexiteer issues HUGE warning to next PM - ‘Put STAKE in the ground’
    HARDCORE Brexiteer MP Steve Baker has warned the Tories are facing an "existential crisis”, condemning the withdrawal agreement negotiated by Theresa May as "dead, dead, dead".




    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1136794/brexit-news-brexit-party-steve-baker-tory-leader-boris-johnson-peterborough-by-election
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    edited June 2019
    Brexit: No-deal could be used as 'weapon for breaking up UK', says Fox



    Liam Fox says a no-deal Brexit could be used as a "weapon" for those "seeking to break up the United Kingdom".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48510016

    He told Today: "The prospect of a no-deal might well be used by those who seek to break up the United Kingdom, to use that as a weapon in that particular battle, both I think in Northern Ireland and potentially in Scotland."
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    The UK's largest insurer, Aviva, says 1,800 jobs will go over the next three years as part of a drive to save up to £300m a year.
    The news was announced just three months after the appointment of a new chief executive in Maurice Tulloch who told investors that finding savings was "essential to remain competitive".




    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/aviva-to-cut-1800-jobs-as-it-strives-to-cut-costs/ar-AACsW9E?ocid=spartanntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    Ann Widdecombe one-woman show pulled after gay therapy remark
    Selladoor CEO cancels MEP’s Ilfracombe booking after she appeared to endorse conversion therapy



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    Absolutely disgusted at Ann Widdecombe’s comments over the weekend. Took no time in immediately cancelling her planned ‘evening with’ event at one of our @SelladoorVenues. We will never provide a stage for these vile people.


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    TheEdge949 Posts: 445Member
    May 30


    And if we are going to leave the EU, vital that we establish some sort of new trading arrangement. Exactly the sort of massive ego we need to massage going forward.
    Cousin lives in the US now has dual citizenship. Both her and her husband are staunch Repulicans. They dont like Trump the man but as a leader hes growing the economy, creating jobs, improving education and backing the smorgasboard of security vehicles DEA CIA FBI AFT HS etc. and they love him for that.


    Brexit: NHS could be 'on the table' as part of US trade deal, ambassador says


    Donald Trump's British envoy has sparked fury with claims that access to the NHS would be "on the table" in post-Brexit trade deal with the US.
    Woody Johnson, the US ambassador to the UK, said the "entire economy" would be included in transatlantic negotiations, which could include allowing American private firms to bid for NHS contracts.

    In an interview ahead of Mr Trump's state visit, Mr Johnson said the US was already "looking at all the components of the deal and trying to get everything lined up so when the time comes we’re ready to go".



    Asked if healthcare would be part of the deal, he told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: "I think probably the entire economy, in a trade deal all things that are traded will be on the table."

    Mr Johnson also said chlorinated chicken - which is permitted under American regulations but banned in the EU - was "completely safe".


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-nhs-trade-deal-woody-johnson-matt-hancock-a8940861.html

    Chlorinated chicken: ‘Dangerous’ practices at major US plant stoke fears of contaminated food in UK after Brexit
    Channel 4’s ‘Dispatches’ exposes danger of cross-contamination with deadly bacteria – because of poor standards outlawed by EU membership


    The undercover probe by Channel 4 laid bare the danger of cross-contamination with the deadly bacteria salmonella and campylobacter, because of poor standards outlawed by the EU.



    Nevertheless, the US has made clear it will demand the UK accept chemical-washed poultry in any trade deal – and Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, has suggested a ban will be impossible.


    * Piles of chicken left on conveyor belts for long periods of time, at the risk of cross contamination.

    * Boxes of chicken stacked on top of each other – which could also cause cross-contamination.
    * Workers touching raw chicken with bare hands – while one cleared drains with gloved hands, merely washing the gloves before going back to touching raw chicken.
    * Drains blocked with chicken – while pieces of and innards lay on the floor and water leaked from machinery.

    * Flooded and broken floors where “bacteria could breed”, an EU meat safety expert warned.
    * A worker having three fingers amputated, after being asked to operate a machine they had not been trained to use.



    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-us-uk-food-poultry-practices-brexit-eu-regulation-a8942331.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAMpJ9Yr56Y

    Brexit: The Hidden Danger of Chlorinated Chicken. With Stephen Fry



    I think the point you are missing is that lower standards are allowed in the USA.

    Chlorine washing is meant to counteract these lower standards.

    The fact that a UK factory is breaching EU standards is criminal, but is not an argument.

    Two wrongs don't make a right.

    American food standards like chlorine washed chicken, and hormone fed beef, are unacceptable to the EU, as are chickens that are processed illegally in the UK.


    Good to see the EU always keeping to their strict standards...
    This was an EU conspiracy?
    I didn't say it was an EU conspiracy,my point is you've highlighted 'chlorinated chicken' as a threat to a post brexit UK. When in fact,as I've already mentioned,we are in as much danger from our own dubious standards currently being used in this country and beyond by our EU partners.Perhaps we should first get our own house in order before preaching to others.
    I worry about you sometimes.

    The horsemeat scandal was perpetrated by criminals that were breaking the law.
    You cant just blame the EU for every crime committed in Europe.
    The difference is that the USA have much lower standards regarding food.
    The reason they chlorine wash chicken is because it is processed to a much lower standard, than that which is acceptable to the EU.
    Hormone fed beef is not appetising for me.
    Any trade deal with the USA, will involve us accepting these lower standards, and Americans firms getting involved with the NHS.

    So leaving the EU, and doing a trade deal with the USA means we accept lower standards, and limit our trade with the EU.


    There's no need to worry about me,thank you.
    You can't blame brexit for every problem/difficult situation that happens in the country.
    My original point was that you're concerning yourself with America's food hygiene standard,when it's been proven time and time again that our own standards fall way short what's deemed acceptable. Have a read up about '2 Sisters Food Group' to see how just one of many British companies continued to flout EU laws and supply chicken to the public which could've done with a good 'chlorine wash'.
    You've gone very quiet.
    I've decided/realised that batting opinions back and forth on this or any other forum will not solve anything.I respect your views,I actually agree with a lot of what you say but not everything.For each of the reasons for remaining there are counter reasons to leave but again we could go back and forth forever.My main point is and has always been was that the people of this country was asked a question and they gave an answer,regardless of the result either way,that result needed to be upheld.No second referendum,the wrong question was asked etc,etc. I'll continue to read the thread but I won't be commenting any further on it,as a parting post I'll leave you with this :)


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    edited June 2019













    Many of the papers have the same picture on their front pages: six-year-old George Sayer, wearing his great-uncle's medals, holding the hand of 95-year-old D-Day veteran Jack Quinn in Normandy.
    "Thank you for our freedom" says the Daily Mail's headline - "how one proud little boy spoke for Britain".
    The Daily Express says the picture reminds us that the courageous men who stormed the Normandy beaches were fighting for future generations. It tells the politicians present at the commemorations not to waste that sacrifice.




    According to the Times, MPs are worried that the Queen could be pulled into a "terrible conflict" over Brexit.
    The story focuses on the Conservative leadership contender, Dominic Raab, who has refused to rule out suspending Parliament to force through a no-deal departure - a move that would require the Queen's permission.
    The Daily Telegraph leads with a poll suggesting that Boris Johnson is best placed to win back Conservative supporters from the Brexit Party and beat Jeremy Corbyn at the next general election.
    The story is based on private polling of Tory marginals by Mr Johnson's campaign guru, Sir Lynton Crosby.

    The Sun claims that Remain-backing Tory MPs are starting to see the former foreign secretary as their best hope of softening Brexit or reversing it altogether.
    They are said to believe that Mr Johnson is malleable - or in the Sun's words, "Bojo could be Play-Doh in their hands".
    Conservative MP Tom Tugendhat, has told Huffpost UK that being prime minister is "not a game" - which the website interprets as a swipe at Mr Johnson.
    Mr Tugendhat, a former assistant to the chief of defence staff, says he is backing Michael Gove as someone who could make life and death decisions and who is "ready to lead".
    The Financial Times reports that Chancellor Philip Hammond is trying to stop the prime minister going on a spending spree before she leaves office this summer.
    The FT has been told that Theresa May wants to use her remaining time in power tackling "burning injustices" in society, with an announcement every week, including a dramatic increase in education spending.
    Mr Hammond is said to be worried about the cost of her promises, which could top more than £10bn.



    Finally, the Times highlights a study which suggests that, as well as looking like their owners, dogs come to share their emotions too.
    The researchers in Sweden found that levels of stress hormone in the owners' hair matched those of their pets - indicating that tense people pass their anxiety on to their dogs.
    The Daily Mail says man's best friend is becoming "man's stressed friend".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48550982









  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941

    Brexit: stop talking up no-deal, Tory leadership candidates told
    Northern Irish civil society groups warn May replacement hopefuls of no deal’s ‘devastating impact’




    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/07/stop-talking-up-no-deal-brexit-tory-leadership-candidates-told

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941

    UK official in charge of Brexit border plans resigns
    Karen Wheeler’s resignation stokes fears the UK will not be ready for a no-deal Brexit by October





    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/06/uk-official-in-charge-of-brexit-border-plans-resigns
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    Peterborough by-election results: Labour defeats Brexit Party in knife-edge race








    Labour's Lisa Forbes beats Brexit Party by just 683 votes
    Corbyn says result is rejection of Tories' 'disastrous handling of Brexit'
    Rob Wilson: It was a terrible night for the Tories - but a good one for Boris
    Brexit Party has 3,000 applications to fight general election
    Nigel Farage: Narrow defeat means 'Tories may have to do a deal with us'
    Boris Johnson best placed Tory to challenge Farage and Corbyn, poll finds
    Sign up: Brexit Whatsapp updates and the Brexit Bulletin​
    Labour have clung onto Peterborough in a knife-edge by-election contest, seeing off the Brexit Party by just 683 votes.
    In a blow to Nigel Farage’s ambitions, his new party’s hopes of gaining a foothold in Parliament...

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/07/brexit-latest-news-peterborough-by-election-results-brexit-party/
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    edited June 2019
    Brexit SCARE: Portillo makes frightening NO BREXIT prediction – will anger Leave voters
    MICHAEL PORTILLO has warned Brexit not happening is "clearly a possibility" as he claimed the British Government could agree to revoke Article 50 to save the Conservative Party.






    "I don’t just mean an absence of Brexit but that it is actually decided to revoke Article 50 - which is clearly a possibility.
    "How exactly the Conservatives could deliver that, how they could live with it, I don’t know but I do think it’s quite a strong possibility."
    Mr Portillo explained his tentative prediction was based on the lack of alternative plans to either the withdrawal agreement Theresa May negotiated with the European Union or a no deal.
    He continued: "I find very hard to see how we are going to exit with no deal and I find it very hard to see how we are going to exit with Mrs May’s deal since everybody is against Mrs May’s deal.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1137443/Brexit-news-Portillo-UK-EU-withdrawal-Article-50-Brexit-Party-general-election-latest
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    No-deal Brexit could cost Britain’s luxury industry £13bn

    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/no-deal-brexit-could-cost-100900114.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941


    I've decided/realised that batting opinions back and forth on this or any other forum will not solve anything.I respect your views,I actually agree with a lot of what you say but not everything.For each of the reasons for remaining there are counter reasons to leave but again we could go back and forth forever.My main point is and has always been was that the people of this country was asked a question and they gave an answer,regardless of the result either way,that result needed to be upheld.No second referendum,the wrong question was asked etc,etc. I'll continue to read the thread but I won't be commenting any further on it,as a parting post I'll leave you with this :)







    That's disappointing.

    I think that the purpose of any forum, is to debate both sides of any argument, rather than solving anything.

    Politicians are unlikely to take notice of this or any other forum.

    However it does give people the opportunity to change their minds on issues, after listening to other points of view.

    I have personally learnt a lot more about Brexit, after reading the articles I have posted.

    It strikes me that many of the reasons given in support of Brexit, are untrue, or impossible to deliver.

    If you start at the beginning, and forget the unsuitability of the actual question that was asked. The leave campaign was based on a series of lies.

    The figure on the bus was almost double our annual financial contribution to the EU.

    Those running the leave campaign had no say in where this money would be spent after leaving, so it was misleading to say it would go to the NHS.

    The threat of an invasion by 17 million Turks was a lie.

    As was Farages Nazi "Breaking Point" poster.

    I am absolutely certain that these actions increased the leave vote.

    The general public love the NHS, would find being overrun by millions of immigrants scary, and may well have been convinced to vote leave by these actions.

    The margin of victory was very small, and may have been won by the number of votes these lies gained.

    Those that shout about democracy ignore these facts.

    There is an argument that has been put forward by the other side, about the financial projections relating to the expected repercussions of a leave vote.

    Now I don't know if these projections were deliberately exaggerated to enhance the case for remaining, or if the Government genuinely got them wrong.

    Whereas the leave side persevered with their claims, even after it had been clearly pointed out that they were untrue.

    This so called democracy was therefore based on lies.

    They are still persisting in the lies.

    Many of the general public have lost patience with the whole thing. They are calling out for the politicians to get on with it.

    For this reason a no deal Brexit seems to be gaining support, perhaps because ending negotiations would seem to provide a quick result.

    Yet many of those calling for a no deal, fully intend to do a deal later.

    This would therefore not speed anything up, and force us to go through the chaos that is no deal, job losses, companies going bankrupt, before restarting negotiations.

    How could this make sense?

    Nigel Farage calls this a WTO Brext.

    WTO means tariffs, that is a fact.

    How do higher prices benefit consumers?

    How could tariffs do anything other than make British exporters to the EU less competitive?

    The British public have been continually lied to throughout this process and it is still continuing.

    We even have a Tory leadership candidate prepared to shut down Parliament to enable us to leave with no deal.

    The last person to do this was Oliver Cromwell.

    Parliament have continually voted against no deal.

    I don't think this is a time for democracy lectures.

    To even discuss democracy means to ignore much of what has gone on.

    Many of the general public are unaware of the stark choices involved.

    Hence the cherry picking.

    Many people would be happy to be single market members to maximise our trade, and lose less jobs, but dont wish to pay the annual financial contribution, or allow freedom of movement.

    Many people are in favour of the customs union to allow frictionless trade to continue, and avoid a hard border in Ireland.

    Yet the same people wish to pursue our own independent trade policy.

    Nobody wants to end trade with the EU, but to continue trading as non members will involve acceptance of their rules with no say.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    edited June 2019






















    "My cocaine confession" is the headline in the Daily Mail, which leads with Michael Gove's admission that he took the drug several times more than 20 years ago. The environment secretary's cocaine use was about to emerge in a book, extracts of which are published in the Mail.
    The Mail reveals that Mr Gove owned up to using cocaine in a conversation with advisers during the race to replace David Cameron in 2016.
    The Sun also leads on this story, describing it as a "bombshell" which threatens to overshadow the launch of his campaign to become prime minister.
    Many of the papers chew over the lessons of the Peterborough by-election.
    For the Mail, the message is clear: "Wake up," its editorial urges, "or Corbyn will sneak into power!". It says the Brexit Party split the Tory vote, allowing Labour to come through the middle.
    The Sun agrees, as does the Telegraph, which says the Conservatives face a fight for survival and the only way to stop this is for the new prime minister to lead Britain out of the EU.



    The Mirror says Labour's victory is remarkable, brought about by talking about issues which matter on the doorstep.
    According to the Times, a fresh anti-Semitism row has engulfed the Labour party with its newest MP, Lisa Forbes, facing a call to be suspended just hours after she won the by-election.
    The controversy arose because Ms Forbes liked a Facebook post which said Theresa May had a "Zionist slave masters agenda". She denies anti-Semitism but apologised saying that she hadn't read the text which had accompanied the posts.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48564390

























  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    Brexit: No-deal outcome could force shopping bills up by £800 a year, says union
    Tariffs imposed under WTO rules would increase the price of everyday goods like butter, cheese and potatoes, analysis finds





    Among the price hikes resulting from the application of the WTO’s “most favoured nation” rules would by 42p on a 250g pack of butter (up 28 per cent), 62p on a 460g chunk of own-brand Cheddar (up 26.9 per cent), 43p on a pack of eight sausages (up 25.3 per cent), 32p on a 2.5 kilo bag of potatoes (up 14.4 per cent) and £2.56 on a bottle of red wine (up 32 per cent), according to the analysis by Acuity Analysis.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-shopping-bills-gmb-union-supermarket-price-rise-a8949896.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,941
    Dominic Raab fails to rule out suspending parliament to force no-deal Brexit if he becomes PM
    The Conservative leadership candidate took a swipe at Boris Johnson by saying contenders to replace Theresa May should subject themselves to scrutiny




    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-brexit-no-deal-parliament-prorogation-meaning-queen-a8949941.html
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