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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,114
    Essexphil said:

    I have never been too interested in private prosecutions. They tend to be a sideshow, detracting from the main issues. "Politician told lies". Really? What a shock.

    We need to move forward with Brexit, rather than people just throwing rocks at the other side. That and actually have some meaningful debate. So-how to break the logjam?

    1. The whole idea of the Withdrawal Agreement needs to go. It was fine when it looked like it could be the first stage in a 2-stage process. But that hasn't happened. We need to look towards providing a 1-stage solution now, and then modifying it later. Ideal? No. But better than the Groundhog Day we are in now.

    The Withdrawal Agreement only covers three topics, two of which seem to have been agreed very easily, there doesn't seem to be any dispute over citizens rights of the amount of money we owe.
    The Irish border is where the problem lies and to kick it down the road solves nothing.
    The difficulty with what you describe is that the EU will not negotiate a trade deal with an existing member.
    Secondly the trade deal is likely to take years to finalise, and negotiations will continue beyond the end of the implementation period.
    So what would happen when the implementation period has ended, and negotiations continued, if there were no backstop?




    2. There needs to be clear agreement about people who live permanently (not just for temporary work placements) in a different country. Expats both here and abroad. Why? Because it is the decent thing to do. Because lots of people have come here legitimately, and believe this is their home. And because I want the sort of British expat who goes abroad on a permanent basis, doesn't pay taxes here or keep any base here, to have to make a decision about where they live. Not come back and use the NHS when it suits them.

    If you closed the NHS to non UK taxpayers, I think you would face a backlash from the Brits that had retired abroad after working, paying tax and national insurance for their whole lives. Particularly if they compared themselves to those that have claimed benefits for their whole lives, and made no financial contribution.
    Many Brits access medical treatment in EU member countries, whilst living abroad or on holiday, so this may be just a case of swings and roundabouts.


    4. We need an agreement about sharing information, particularly about European Arrest Warrants. Unless we want half of Europe's worst coming here to live.

    There are many benefits of membership that we would like to retain after we leave. I think that the EU have behaved remarkably fairly during the negotiations, but may have helped by setting out all the member benefits that we would lose by leaving, during the referendum campaign.
    If they had come out and insisted on a hard Irish border, may have been enough to completely change the referendum result.
    If this wasn't enough then maybe the loss of every benefit that we gain from being members, may have been


    Not having a trade deal will be a major problem for the UK economy. But so is not knowing what will happen. And minds will be concentrating pretty swiftly to arrange a deal then. Sadly, it is our Manufacturing industry that will suffer the most.

    Both the leadership candidates maintain that a deal is advantageous to the UK economy, but they both agree on leaving on the October deadline, despite the damage this is likely to cause. This means they are both prepared to cause damage to the UK economy, to avoid upsetting Tory members, which represent a very small percentage of the UK electorate.
    The trade policy that is being put forward, is absolute nonsense. Brexit is a complete fraud.


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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,114
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    The thing is the only people who want compromise are those who didnt want out in the first place.

    Like I posted about a thousand posts ago Out means out, no negotiations, no deals, nothing , nowt, nada.

    Just like a real divorce. Leave first, sort the who gets what out after. Also just like after a real divorce life goes on and gets better.

    #lionsledbycowards

    Are you being serious?
    Yes thats what most brexit supporters voted for. No more payments to the EU. No more meddling by the ECJ. No more anything. Leave, goodbye, sayonara, go, do one, tarra, laters.

    Germany still want to sell us their cars, France their wine etc. Spain will still want to fish in our waters etc except now they do it on our terms not theirs. Hello US. China, India, S.E. Asia.

    Lets do business.
    Japan says next British PM must not lead UK out of EU without deal



    Japan’s foreign minister has pleaded with Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt not to lead the UK out of the EU without a deal when one of them becomes prime minister.
    In an unusually blunt warning, Tarō Kōno suggested Japanese companies operating in the UK would relocate to other countries in Europe in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/japan-says-next-british-pm-must-not-lead-uk-out-of-eu-without-deal/ar-AADuVfw?ocid=spartandhp
    New Vauxhall Astra will be built in the UK – depending on Brexit terms


    The next generation of the Vauxhall Astra will be built in the UK, but it will be conditional on the final terms of the UK’s exit from the European Union, the car giant has announced.
    Parent group PSA said the new model will be built in Ellesmere Port on Merseyside, which employs over 1,000 workers, if a satisfactory Brexit deal is reached.
    Unite regional officer Mick Chalmers said: “Unite has been in positive discussions with PSA about a new vehicle agreement and securing new models for Vauxhall’s Ellesmere Port plant.
    “A no-deal Brexit will destroy all of that along with the hope of securing the plant’s long-term future.

    “It is imperative for the future of the thousands of people who depend on Vauxhall Ellesmere Port that a no-deal Brexit is taken off the table and a deal reached with the European Union that secures frictionless trade and tariff free access.


    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/vauxhall-astra-built-uk-depending-154152349.html


    EU and Mercosur agree huge trade deal after 20-year talks



    EU Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker said it was the EU's biggest deal to date and, at a time of trade tensions between the US and China, showed that "we stand for rules-based trade".
    Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro said it was "historic" and "one of the most important trade deals of all time".
    Mercosur consists of Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay.
    Venezuela is also a member but it was suspended in 2016 for failing to meet the group's basic standards.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48807161
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    The Times claims on its front page that senior civil servants have expressed fears Jeremy Corbyn is "too frail" to become prime minister.
    It says the issue was openly discussed at a meeting of top officials this month, where doubts about the state of the Labour leader's physical and mental health were expressed.
    The article quotes one unnamed mandarin who believes Mr Corbyn is being "propped up" by his advisers.
    A Labour spokesperson said Mr Corbyn was in good health and that claims he did not make his own decisions were "laughable and demonstrably false."



    The Daily Mail highlights a YouGov poll suggesting Jeremy Hunt is now more popular with voters than Boris Johnson.
    It says 41% of those questioned would prefer the foreign secretary to become the prime minister, as opposed to 29% who back his Conservative leadership contest rival.
    Amongst Tory voters, Mr Johnson leads by 48% to 39%.
    The paper's editorial urged Mr Johnson to "ditch the circus act and get serious".
    In the i, Andrew Grice says the poll shows Mr Johnson now "faces a real fight, not simply a coronation".
    Writing in the Times, Janice Turner muses on the disparity between the wider public's opinion and Mr Johnson's popularity among Conservative members who will vote, noting that watching the contest as a non-member "is like being a child, powerless while an adult row rages above our heads"


    The Daily Telegraph reports that George Osborne is considering a return to politics. It says the former Chancellor is "toying" with the idea of standing in the marginal Kensington constituency in the next election.
    A source is quoted as saying that the editor of the London Evening Standard is "missing the cut and thrust" of politics, and has targeted the seat where Labour hold a majority of just 20 as an ideal route back into Westminster.
    Some of the cartoonists have focused on the G20 summit.
    The Daily Telegraph's Bob Moran has recreated the image of Theresa May shaking hands with Vladimir Putin which appears in most publications - but with the prime minister wearing a full chemical suit and a gas mask.
    Ben Jennings also depicts the Russian president in the i, urinating on the Statue of Liberty's flame with Donald Trump, as Boris Johnson clambers up the monument's hand to join them.



    Finally, the Daily Mirror has a story about a retired engineer from Las Vegas who looks set to become a millionaire thanks to owning the only surviving original recordings of the first moon landing.
    Gary George bought over a thousand video tapes from Nasa in 1976 for just $218, with the plan to resell them to local television stations to tape over the material.
    Sotherby's auction house estimates the tapes - which are clearer than any other footage of the event - could fetch over $2m (£1.6m) when they are sold in New York next month.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48808605
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    David Gauke survives Leave.EU-backed vote of no confidence
    Tory members in justice secretary’s South West Hertfordshire constituency reject motion




    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/28/david-gauke-survives-leaveeu-backed-vote-of-no-confidence



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    Rounding on colleagues in this way is the type of behaviour you’d expect from the hard left.

    He has my full support, and I hope this is shared by @Jeremy_Hunt and @BorisJohnson.



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    With politics dominating many of the front pages, the Sunday Telegraph reports Boris Johnson is forming a Brexit war cabinet to force through Britain's departure from the European Union in his first 100 days in office.
    It says the "crack team" - as one source described it - would comprise a tightly-knit unit of senior ministers and advisers charged with mapping out and tackling every possible obstacle to the UK exiting the EU on 31 October.
    The Sunday Times believes both contenders in the Tory leadership race are engaged in a "hard Brexit bidding war".
    It points out in his interview with the paper, Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt has staked out a much tougher position with Brussels, insisting there is not a great deal of difference between Mr Johnson's position and his.
    The Times also reports allegations by a former confidante of Mr Johnson's first wife, Allegra Mostyn-Owen - who describes how he once threatened and swore at her.
    The paper says Louisa Gosling has decided to break her silence about the incident more than 30 years ago following last weekend's row between Mr Johnson and his current girlfriend, which ended with the police being called. Mr Johnson has declined to comment on Ms Golsing's allegations.

    The online newspaper, the Independent, says backing for a no-deal Brexit has surged among grassroots Tories - evidence, it says, of "blatant entryism" by former UKIP supporters or "blukips" - as they prepare to pick the next prime minister.
    The paper cites research suggesting no fewer than 77% of members who joined the Conservative Party after the 2017 general election support what it calls "crashing out of the EU with no deal".
    Meanwhile, according to the Sunday Express, Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage will outline plans for a £200bn investment in the regions in what the paper describes as the party's first big policy announcement.
    The Observer focuses on Labour, claiming the party's MPs have issued a warning to Jeremy Corbyn: get a grip or lose the election.



    The paper says senior figures from both wings of the party have voiced fears that they could lose a snap general election to a reinvigorated Tory Party led by Mr Johnson.
    The Mail On Sunday leads on Mr Corbyn's angry rejection of speculation about his health and on what it sees as manoeuvrings inside Labour to replace him.
    It believes a consensus is building among the party's most senior figures that he will have to step aside if there is an election in the coming months.
    The Sun on Sunday concludes Mr Corbyn's leadership is crumbling.
    The Sunday Mirror and the People report forces charities are in uproar after learning defence chiefs spent more than £200m last year on hotels, meals and travel.
    Under the headline "the Five Star Generals", the Mirror describes how one Ministry of Defence boss stayed in a hotel in Dubai for an eye-watering £4,900 for six nights, while officials even splashed out £500 for a one-night stay in Birmingham.
    The MoD tells the paper hotels are only approved when they are the most cost-effective solution.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48814730


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    The spending promises of the candidates for prime minister dominate the front page headlines.
    "Johnson to boost pay for public sector staff" is the headline in the Times.
    For the i, it's "Hunt unveils relief fund for no-deal Brexit".
    The Guardian reports business groups have expressed anger after Jeremy Hunt said he would willingly tell people whose companies went bust after a no-deal Brexit their sacrifice had been necessary.
    The paper says Mr Hunt's shift towards the harder language associated with Boris Johnson has alarmed some fellow Conservatives.
    The Mail turns its attention to Labour, saying the party has been accused of plotting a raid on the middle classes with its plan to replace inheritance tax with a "lifetime gifts tax".
    The paper says it would mean children paying income tax on any parental handouts above £125,000 made at any time in cash or property.
    It says Labour has described the plan as wealth redistribution, but in truth, this is simply state-sponsored robbery.

    For its lead, the Mirror reports the former prime minister, Gordon Brown, has written to Theresa May to urge her to step in to ensure all over-75s keep their free TV licences.



    In an article for the paper, Mr Brown says he is asking her to prevent a scandal and honour a Conservative election promise.
    He compares the loss of the TV licences to one of her "burning injustices" and says she can deal with it before she leaves office.















    The Tory leadership race remains in the headlines with Daily Telegraph claiming Boris Johnson is considering plans to cut the size of the Cabinet by half - and scrap several ministerial departments - after key backers urged him to slim down the government if he became prime minister.
    The paper notes that many of the departments in line to be abolished or merged - such as Work and Pensions under Amber Rudd - are run by ministers who have refused to back Mr Johnson's Tory leadership bid.
    The Telegraph's Matt cartoon focuses on Jeremy Hunt's promise of massive financial help for fishermen and farmers if Britain leaves the EU without an agreement.
    "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day", it says. "Teach a man to fish and he'll receive £6bn in no-deal Brexit support".



    "An arms race of tax and spending" is how the Times sees the pledges made by Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt in their rival bids to become prime minister. And both men come in for stinging criticism.
    The Daily Mail accuses them of acting "like drunks in a bar fecklessly swilling away their pay packets as they make ever more extravagant spending promises".
    The Daily Mirror calls them a "pair of charlatans" and says only fools would buy the empty promises of rivals who behave as if they have discovered forests of money trees".
    The Guardian's sketch-writer, John Crace, says there was a time when Jeremy Hunt positioned himself as the Conservatives' voice of reason. Now - he says - we are in what he calls "an apocalyptic, Heart of Darkness brexit death spiral in which Mr Hunt and Boris Johnson compete to see who is sufficiently deranged to lead the Tory party".
    The Daily Express, however, is pleased that both candidates now seem equally determined to get us out of the EU as soon as possible, with our without a deal. "That's more like it" - the paper says.

    The Guardian, in its lead story, says new fears have emerged about the scale of abuse suffered by children and vulnerable adults. It has obtained figures from Scotland Yard which reveal that police officers in London are raising concerns with safeguarding authorities, such as social services, 700 times a day on average.
    The paper says the figures underline the demand on police forces to deal with issues beyond traditional policing at a time when budgets and officer numbers are being squeezed.
    Several papers including the Times and the Daily Mail carry the findings of a scientific study suggesting that food eaten during the average family barbecue is responsible for creating as much greenhouse gas as a ninety mile car journey.
    The estimate is based on the burning of charcoal and the energy used to produce the food.
    The Daily Telegraph says beef burgers are the worst culprits, causing nearly five times as much damage to the environment as a portion of chicken.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48834480






    Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt accused of duping the public with 'extraordinary' tax-and-spending pledges
    ‘They claim these will be paid for from this so-called Brexit war chest. Well, they are not going to be,’ says head of Institute for Fiscal Studies


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-jeremy-hunt-tax-cuts-spending-tory-leadership-prime-minister-a8982986.html




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    The Sun predicts that the people set to take over the EU's most important jobs will be a nightmare for the next prime minister.
    It says Ursula von der Leyen, who has been nominated as President of the European Commission, has been a staunch supporter of the German government's position in the Brexit talks.
    The Daily Mail describes the nominees as arch-federalists who have repeatedly bashed Brexit.
    The Financial Times considers the decision to choose Christine Lagarde, the head of the IMF, as the new President of the European Central Bank.
    It suggests that her lack of experience of monetary policy could prove a disadvantage as the Bank searches for new ways to combat weak inflation and boost the eurozone economy.
    The Times detects confusion at the heart of Boris Johnson's Conservative leadership campaign.
    Sugar tax review
    It says he undermined one of his cabinet supporters, Health Secretary Matt Hancock, by pledging to drop a policy on obesity.
    Mr Johnson's promise to review the government's sugar tax comes just days after Mr Hancock circulated plans to the cabinet to extend the levy to sugary milk products.
    The Times says it understands Mr Hancock was not made aware of the announcement in advance.



    The Sun condemns what it calls the juvenile antics of some MEPs. It describes the Lib Dems who wore "stop Brexit" T-shirts as pathetic and stomach churning.
    It also criticises the Brexit Party MEPs who turned their backs on the EU's anthem yesterday - describing them as behaving like a fifth form rabble.
    The Mail takes up the theme - "do these juvenile attention seeking oafs ever stop to wonder why politicians are held in such pitiful esteem?"
    The Times suggests that before long, our fellow Europeans may be pleased to see the back of us all.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48848692









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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,114
    The competition for the Tory leadership seems to have descended into which candidate can reduce taxes the most, and which of them is prepared to spend the most money.

    The main priority is to leave the EU by the end of October, because that is what the Tory members care about the most,

    They care more about meeting this deadline, than they do about Scotland remaining in the UK.

    In an effort to compete with Boris, Jeremy Hunt is positioning himself as a hard man, who will not stand any nonsense from the EU.

    They both now seem to be leaving at the end of October, come **** or high water.

    Jeremy Hunt, as recently as a couple of weeks ago, spoke about how much of a disaster no deal would be for our country.

    Personal ambition has appeared to have changed his opinion.

    Although, when speaking yesterday he accepted that some businesses would be no deal casualties.

    Boris who left the Cabinet in protest at the Withdrawal Agreement, voted for it the last time it came before Parliament, despite his criticisms of it.

    They are both offering tax cuts, Boris has targeted the better off, presumably with the Tory members in mind. In addition to this he has promised to adjust NI contributions, which also benefit the better off.

    They have both promised to spend £billions.

    So reducing taxes reduces treasury income, borrowing more reduces it further, and a no deal Brexit contracts our economy.

    Our current borrowing costs £43 billion per year in interest. This figure is quite close to our total defence expenditure.

    If all this is prudent, then why have we just gone through 9 years of austerity measures, and spending cuts.

    According to the Chancellor, all our spare cash is needed in case of no deal.

    Apparently only 25% of the country support a no deal Brexit, which has broadly been described as a catastrophe, or a disaster.

    Nevertheless both these men seem prepared to push us over the cliff, in order to further their Prime Ministerial ambitions, and the whims of the Tory membership.

    If you made an appointment to see your bank manager, to inform him that even though your salary had been reduced, you wished to discuss borrowing more money to buy a bigger house, even though you were struggling to make the current mortgage payments, buy a new car, even though you hadn't finished paying for this one, and maybe purchase a yacht. He would call you an imbecile.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,114
    A Cunning Brexit Plan.

    The latest plan seems to be just to get out, rather than what is best for the Country.

    There is little ingenuity being shown by either candidate, and both seem more concerned about becoming PM, than providing a satisfactory outcome.

    I am sure that if they thought a little more outside the box, they could provide a solution.

    As far as the Tories are concerned they need a solution before a General Election to avoid a disaster for them.

    The next election is due in 2022, so I think that should be the deadline.

    We should prepare for a second referendum in June 2021, and have plenty of time to do so.

    The new PM should allow himself until the end of next year to get the WA through.

    So the new PM threatens Parliament that if he cant get the WA through by the end of next year, we will have a second referendum. This will concentrate minds.

    He would speak to the various factions, and discuss their reservations.

    He could speak to the EU about any of these reservations that seem reasonable and try to accommodate them.

    He would then embark on a series on Parliamentary votes.

    He would start with the WA including any reasonable amendments that they had been able to negotiate.

    The next vote might include the WA as agreed plus a customs union, and enough single market access to avoid an Irish border.

    He would outflank the ERG, because even though they hate the backstop, they probably hate a customs union more.

    A WA with a customs union may get through with Labour support.

    So the votes could be adjusted, and continue until a majority was found, or we get to the referendum.

    Those that were against a referendum would have to vote for something, with a referendum hanging over them.

    Those that would favour a disastrous no deal would realise that it wasn't going to happen, and have to vote for something, or be prepared for no Brexit, as a result of the referendum.

    I don't think that we would get to a referendum under these circumstances, as minds would be concentrated, and MPs forced to compromise.

    As far as the backstop goes, I think that to placate those that wont wear it because it may last forever, it could just become a renewable backstop.

    The EU have already agreed that they would replace the backstop with technological solutions, as and when they become available. They are just not available yet.

    So if you started off with a 5 year backstop, and we hadn't finished negotiating at the end of 5 years, and no tech solutions were available, you would just renew the agreement for another 5 years or until the alternative solutions were available, or a trade agreement was reached.

    The threat of a referendum, in addition to no chance of no deal, would provide an acceptable solution.
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    Boris Johnson's pledge to increase police numbers by 20,000 within three years is featured on the front pages of the Daily Express and the Daily Mail - which says the former Mayor of London is "positioning himself as the champion of law and order" in the Conservative leadership contest.
    But writing in Daily Telegraph, Mr Johnson's rival, Jeremy Hunt, insists Tory members should back him to replace Theresa May, after a poll published last week showed he was more popular among the general public.
    He said he was "the best person" to avert the "real and present danger" of Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister.
    That threat might not be so great if a survey for The Times is to be believed. It suggests support for Labour has fallen to 18% - its joint lowest level since polling began in the 1940s.

    Mr Hunt also says he will commit to a vote on ending the ban on fox hunting with hounds if he becomes PM - arguing it is part of "our heritage" - in a move interpreted by the paper as "an appeal to grassroots Tories in the shires".
    The Sun says Mr Johnson will today unveil "a bold manifesto to unite divided Britain" - including a pledge to close the opportunity gap between the haves and have-nots.
    Writing in the paper, Mr Johnson says he has a vision "tailor-made for Sun readers and all their concerns".
    The front pages of the Daily Mail and the Daily Express both highlight his promise - first made last month - to recruit an extra 20,000 police officers.
    The Express uses its leader column to argue this is "long overdue", after savings made to balance the books went "too far" with police numbers.



    According to The Times, George Osborne has told friends that he is preparing a campaign to become the first British head of the International Monetary Fund.
    Supporters of the former chancellor say his bid to replace Christine Lagarde could win backing from both the American and Chinese presidents, as "mediating between the superpowers requires a politician, rather than a technocrat".
    The Financial Times points out that a European has held the top job at the IMF for all of its 75-year history and says government sources have indicated Britain will "make a play" for the position, to show Brexit has not dimmed its internationalist ambitions.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48862881


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    Farage refuses to stand for the EU Anthem, calling the EU a "forced creation". Guess it never occurred to the idiot that all borders are forced creations.


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    edited July 2019
    Tikay10 said:


    Farage refuses to stand for the EU Anthem, calling the EU a "forced creation". Guess it never occurred to the idiot that all borders are forced creations.



    When will more people see him for the pathetic, ignorant, fool, that he very obviously is?
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    HAYSIE said:

    The thing is the only people who want compromise are those who didnt want out in the first place.

    Like I posted about a thousand posts ago Out means out, no negotiations, no deals, nothing , nowt, nada.

    Just like a real divorce. Leave first, sort the who gets what out after. Also just like after a real divorce life goes on and gets better.

    #lionsledbycowards

    Are you being serious?
    Yes thats what most brexit supporters voted for. No more payments to the EU. No more meddling by the ECJ. No more anything. Leave, goodbye, sayonara, go, do one, tarra, laters.

    Germany still want to sell us their cars, France their wine etc. Spain will still want to fish in our waters etc except now they do it on our terms not theirs. Hello US. China, India, S.E. Asia.

    Lets do business.
    You wouldn't have needed to be a genius to predict this.


    Brexit trade chief Liam Fox squirms as talks with Canada hit an awkward snag
    Canada is said to be refusing to hand Britain an oven-ready trade deal - and it's a crushing blow for Brexiteers



    Liam Fox said talks had been "99%" of the way there - but things have changed

    The Tories' Brexit trade chief squirmed today after key talks with Canada hit a stumbling block.
    Liam Fox was grilled by MPs after it was claimed Canada is refusing to copy and paste its EU trade deal for Britain in a No Deal Brexit .


    Brexiteers had hoped Canada would "roll over" its Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement, CETA, which took seven years to agree with the EU.
    Only last month, Cabinet minister Mr Fox claimed talks were "at an advanced stage".
    But last night BuzzFeed reported Canada is refusing to "roll over" the ready-made CETA pact to the UK if there's no deal on October 31.
    Instead Canada reportedly wants to take advantage of Britain's vow to suspend trade tariffs for many imports on Day One.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-trade-chief-liam-fox-17375104

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    Boris Johnson makes a fresh appeal to Conservative party members, on the front page of the Daily Telegraph.
    In an interview with the paper, he says he will make Britain "the greatest place on Earth" if he becomes prime minister.
    The Telegraph's leader column offers a full-throated endorsement of its star columnist for the top job. "Mr Johnson is Mr Brexit," the paper says - adding that he deserves a chance to realise his lifelong ambition of liberating Britain from the European Union, and restoring its faith in itself.
    The Daily Mirror reports that Mr Johnson's leadership campaign has been give money by a "super-rich" family, whose property development he approved in one of his last acts as mayor of London.
    The paper says the scheme was labelled unacceptable at the time, because it didn't include any social housing.
    At the time, a spokesperson for Mr Johnson said the development at Millbank Tower "secures the future of a Grade II listed building" of "historical significance."



    The Sun says Jeremy Hunt wants to change the law so councils and the watchdog Homes England can buy up cheap land - with the aim of building more affordable homes for young people.
    Writing in the paper, Mr Hunt says the plan - called 'Right To Own' - would result in the construction of 1.5 million new homes built over the next 10 years.
    The Sun's editorial says Mr Hunt has some good ideas and deserves a job in cabinet if he loses the election.
    The Daily Mail leads on the discovery of a sprawling cannabis factory inside a disused police station near Oldham.



    When officers raided the building they reportedly found the culprits had fled just hours before, taking the lucrative crop with them.
    Campaigners tell the paper it is a humiliation for Greater Manchester Police. The Mail says it's the most shocking and powerful symbol yet of what it calls "our surrender" in the war on drugs.

    The government is yet to make any compensation payments to victims of the Windrush scandal, reports the Guardian - despite 15 months passing since Prime Minister Theresa May apologised and promised a financial settlement.
    The paper says the law has to be changed to allow the payments to be made and that the Home Office has blamed Brexit for taking up the parliamentary time that is needed.

    The Daily Telegraph is among the papers to feature a study suggesting that a strain of the common cold virus can destroy bladder cancer cells.
    University of Surrey researchers gave infusions of the bug to 15 patients with bladder cancer. Fourteen reportedly showed evidence that cells had died and in one, all signs of the disease disappeared.
    The scientists tell the paper that the treatment could eventually replace chemotherapy - while charities say they're looking forward to larger trials.
    And the Daily Star reports that the Ministry of Defence has launched a probe after sensitive documents from the military research site at Porton Down were found in a bin.
    Thousands of pages were passed to the paper by a member of the public, who found them at a recycling spot in north London.
    The information comes to thousands of pages and is said to include details of specialist police who patrol the site's perimeter, a password to computer systems, and the home address of one of the guards.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48877212


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    HAYSIE said:

    The thing is the only people who want compromise are those who didnt want out in the first place.

    Like I posted about a thousand posts ago Out means out, no negotiations, no deals, nothing , nowt, nada.

    Just like a real divorce. Leave first, sort the who gets what out after. Also just like after a real divorce life goes on and gets better.

    #lionsledbycowards

    Are you being serious?
    Yes thats what most brexit supporters voted for. No more payments to the EU. No more meddling by the ECJ. No more anything. Leave, goodbye, sayonara, go, do one, tarra, laters.

    Germany still want to sell us their cars, France their wine etc. Spain will still want to fish in our waters etc except now they do it on our terms not theirs. Hello US. China, India, S.E. Asia.

    Lets do business.
    You wouldn't have needed to be a genius to predict this.


    Brexit trade chief Liam Fox squirms as talks with Canada hit an awkward snag
    Canada is said to be refusing to hand Britain an oven-ready trade deal - and it's a crushing blow for Brexiteers



    Liam Fox said talks had been "99%" of the way there - but things have changed

    The Tories' Brexit trade chief squirmed today after key talks with Canada hit a stumbling block.
    Liam Fox was grilled by MPs after it was claimed Canada is refusing to copy and paste its EU trade deal for Britain in a No Deal Brexit .


    Brexiteers had hoped Canada would "roll over" its Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement, CETA, which took seven years to agree with the EU.
    Only last month, Cabinet minister Mr Fox claimed talks were "at an advanced stage".
    But last night BuzzFeed reported Canada is refusing to "roll over" the ready-made CETA pact to the UK if there's no deal on October 31.
    Instead Canada reportedly wants to take advantage of Britain's vow to suspend trade tariffs for many imports on Day One.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-trade-chief-liam-fox-17375104

    How do they get away with it?


    Going through it step by step.


    Firstly trade on WTO terms involves tariffs.

    Tariffs increase prices to consumers.

    To avoid the increase in prices to our consumers, the suggestion made by the likes of Lord Snooty, Farage, and the idiot that is the Wetherspoons boss, is that we can unilaterally remove the tariffs.

    This is true but a very silly idea.

    Under WTO rules if you remove a tariff for one country, you must remove it for every other country.

    So, as an example if we removed the likely 10% tariff on cars, we would charge no tariff on the import of cars, wherever they came from.

    This makes our consumers happy, as prices would remain the same.

    However, it would be a disaster for our exporters.

    If we unilaterally remove tariffs, why would other countries reciprocate?

    Of course they wouldn't.

    This has been made clear by Canada.

    According to Liam Fox, they were 99% of the way to copy and pasting the deal that they signed with the EU, but now have no intention of doing a deal.

    The blindingly obvious question they have asked, is that if we are removing tariffs anyway, what would be the point in doing a deal?

    Most other countries would surely take the same view.

    So this strategy puts us at a huge disadvantage.

    In the car example, our manufacturers would have to suffer a 10% tariff on exports into Europe, and everywhere else .

    Yet we would be importing European cars tariff free, giving EU car manufacturers a massive advantage.

    Any trade deal takes years to finalise.

    Our threat to Canada is that we might only maintain this strategy for a year or so, before reinstating the tariffs.

    This means that after our economy has taken a battering, we would embark on an attempt to negotiate trade deals.

    During the negotiation period, our consumers would have to revert to accepting the increased prices.

    The EU/Canada deal took 7 years to negotiate, and 2 years to implement.

    If it took a similar time for us to negotiate deals, UK consumers would be faced with increased costs for 9 years, and any of our exporters that hadn't gone out of business, would at last see a level playing field, after a 9 year wait.

    How on earth do those suggesting this as a sensible strategy even keep a straight face.
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    As Conservative party members receive their ballot papers to choose the next occupant of Downing Street, many of the papers continue to focus on the man they agree remains the clear frontrunner.
    The Daily Mail speaks of Boris Johnson declaring "war on soft justice". In an interview with the paper, he says it is wrong that violent criminals are routinely freed halfway through their prison sentences and promises to change the law to ensure the worst offenders serve their full terms.
    He also pledges to boost police powers to stop and search knife crime suspects, but says he is considering an "amnesty" for tens of thousands of illegal immigrants who've been in Britain for more than 15 years.
    Meanwhile the Guardian reports that, at a hustings in Darlington, Mr Johnson said he would require all immigrants to learn English so that they "feel British".

    The Daily Telegraph says Boris Johnson's rival for Number 10, Jeremy Hunt, will declare today that he is best placed to win back the youth vote from Labour, while unveiling a raft of policies aimed at younger generations.
    According to the paper, these will include a promise to build 1.5 million more homes over 10 years, on top of the existing annual target of 300,000 new homes.
    The Telegraph says Mr Hunt will also reiterate a pledge to slash interest repayments on student debt.
    The i newspaper says he will warn that young people would "be sold down the river" by Jeremy Corbyn with a "buy now, pay later" programme.
    The editor of the ConservativeHome website, Paul Goodman, is unmoved. Before Tory MPs began voting for a new leader, he recalls, ConservativeHome argued that the party's future depended on delivering Brexit - and that Boris Johnson was best placed to do this, especially if a general election was forced over the issue.
    That remains the case, he says, so "cross your fingers and vote Johnson".

    'Smear' plot
    A number of papers, including the Telegraph and the Sun, report that the Chancellor, Philip Hammond, is leading a campaign by a group of 30 Conservative MPs to block a no-deal Brexit.
    The Telegraph says they've met three times in the past month to discuss plans including agreeing a date in October when MPs could force through legislation. The Sun castigates them as "clueless deal breakers".
    Under the headline "Downing Street accused of plot to smear Boris", the Telegraph leads with claims that aides of Theresa May have been "playing petty politics" with Britain's intelligence services, in an attempt to undermine Boris Johnson's campaign to become prime minister.
    It notes that as Conservative members received their ballot papers in the leadership election, the BBC led its morning bulletins with the story that the former foreign secretary - a Telegraph columnist - had been excluded from security briefings, a story Mr Johnson has since dismissed.
    One former Cabinet minister, who is not named, tells the paper the timing looks like an "establishment attempt from Number 10 of Theresa trying to get her preferred candidate".
    The Times leads with a poll of Tory members carried out for the paper by YouGov. It suggests that Mr Johnson is on course for a landslide victory over his opponent, Jeremy Hunt, with nearly three quarters of the vote.

    However, in an interview with the Times, Mr Hunt urges party members to hold off voting at least until after next week's two television events: a debate between the candidates on ITV and one-to-one interviews on the BBC.
    He says his big message is: "Try before you buy."
    The other main story in the Times is a report that an unnamed, multi-millionaire businessman has been allowed to remain anonymous after facing allegations of sexual harassment and assault in an employment case - allegations which he has always denied.
    The Times describes him as one of the British establishment's richest and most powerful figures. Three times on its front page, it blocks out his name.
    It says the man agreed large financial settlements with two women last year before an employment tribunal was held. As part of the settlement, the women had to withdraw their claims and sign non-disclosure agreements - also known as "gagging orders".
    The paper says it has fought a legal battle for over a year to report the case fully, but a judge's ruling has prevented it from naming the man.
    The Financial Times reports that the rules on inheritance tax could be eased, following an independent review ordered by the Chancellor. It says the current "seven-year rule", which means the tax can be applied retrospectively to assets given away if the individual dies within seven years, could be reduced to five years to simplify the work of executors.
    The FT observes that this proposal is likely to be controversial, even though gifting allowances have remained frozen since the 1980s.

    The Sun also reports that a 28-year-old man and a 25-year-old woman have been arrested for allegedly plotting a terror attack on the Pride parade in central London today. They are said to have been detained in Luton on Wednesday, in a joint operation between Scotland Yard and MI5, on suspicion of planning a gun and knife attack.
    The Daily Mirror celebrates the proposal to deny parole to killers who refuse to reveal where they have left their victim's body as a victory for its campaign to change the law in honour of Helen McCourt.
    Murdered 30 years ago, Ms McCourt's remains have never been found. Marie McCourt, 75, tells the paper that never being able to lay her daughter to rest has always been "torturous", but that knowing a legacy is being created in her name brings some comfort.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-48890303
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    Public would prefer to cancel Brexit or hold second referendum than Halloween no-deal, poll shows
    Exclusive: If a deal cannot be brokered, revoking Article 50 emerges as the favoured option




    No Boris, the problem isn’t ‘a lack of believing in ourselves’, it’s a lack of believing you
    Johnson has no problem with self-belief. Where he struggles is convincing other people to believe him


    Brexit ‘could blow £8.4bn hole’ in vital funding for swathes of UK
    EU money used to create jobs and boost local growth will run out in December 2020


    UK likely to fall into recession after no-deal Brexit, top international credit rating agency predicts
    Bank economists also note that weakening world economy would amplify Brexit hit to UK



    Will Panorama exposé trigger 'ice pick' plot to oust Corbyn? Labour leader faces having to ditch two of his closest aides to save his leadership over new allegations of anti-Semitism in the party


    Corbyn has been warned that even if he sacrifices the two aides it will only postpone an 'ice-pick' coup by rivals - a reference to the weapon used to murder his Communist hero Leon Trotsky in 1940


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