This was going to be my conclusion for my forecast to upcoming events. Trying to do deals with the EU that wont want the U.K. to prosper in any shape or form. It will go on and on,trying to avoid shooting each other in the foot. I prefer top quality meat, for others their budgets might not stretch that far. We do have top quality meat in this country that we then throw c rap on, ie, chemicals and preservatives etc. If there was a hard brexit( very unlikely) never say never.
Conservatives condemned over claim about ‘foreign criminals from EU’ that contradicts government’s own advisers Government's advisory committee found no impact on crime from EU migration
Conservatives have been accused of xenophobia after a minister suggested that continued free movement would bring thousands of European criminals to the UK. A group representing EU nationals said Brandon Lewis’s claim was contradicted by the government’s own expert advisers, who found that European migration has no impact on offending and migrants can even reduce the overall crime rate because they are more law-abiding than Britons.
A spokesman for the 3Million group said Mr Lewis’s comments came “straight from the populist playbook” and were part of a wider effort to portray EU nationals as a drain on the UK.
The security minister told the Sun on Sunday that Labour’s immigration policies would mean hundreds of thousands more immigrants to the UK over the next 10 years, among whom there could be expected to be around 15,000 offenders.
This was going to be my conclusion for my forecast to upcoming events. Trying to do deals with the EU that wont want the U.K. to prosper in any shape or form. It will go on and on,trying to avoid shooting each other in the foot. I prefer top quality meat, for others their budgets might not stretch that far. We do have top quality meat in this country that we then throw c rap on, ie, chemicals and preservatives etc. If there was a hard brexit( very unlikely) never say never.
I don't think that what you say about the EU is fair.
I think that there are two aspects when it comes to trade.
Firstly, if we were allowed to trade with them on the same or better terms after leaving, they would encourage other members to leave. This would obviously lead to the break up of the EU. So we have to assume worse terms and less access. Secondly, it is not in the interest of the other members to damage this trade more than necessary, as they also lose out.
My view is that the Brexiteers put forward a completely nonsensical argument for our future trade.
I agree. But I think you highlighted the fact that it’s far more than just the U.K. leaving. It’s about keeping the EU countries in the Union, further down the line. The U.K. and the EU are both between a rock and a hard place. They get it wrong, the populations suffer. Financial markets are a big part of the outcome, as the credit rating could take a big hit.
I agree. But I think you highlighted the fact that it’s far more than just the U.K. leaving. It’s about keeping the EU countries in the Union, further down the line. The U.K. and the EU are both between a rock and a hard place. They get it wrong, the populations suffer. Financial markets are a big part of the outcome, as the credit rating could take a big hit.
No, the EU have been reasonable, they have agreed two deals with Theresa May, and one with Boris. We will have to accept sole responsibility for the disaster that is Brexit.
I think there are still a few issues with the deal, so I saw somewhere. We won’t know if it’s a disaster for a number of years,or even reasonably successful. There will obviously be changes, but we will have to adapt. There’s always brass to be made.
I think there are still a few issues with the deal, so I saw somewhere. We won’t know if it’s a disaster for a number of years,or even reasonably successful. There will obviously be changes, but we will have to adapt. There’s always brass to be made.
There is not a deal as yet. We are still stuck on the Withdrawal Agreement. The Tesla decision to go to Germany is an indication for what to expect in the future.
Tesla face stiff competition. There was little chance of them setting up in the U.K. The motor industry is facing massive challenges ahead. It won’t be in too many years time that you will be frowned upon using a petrol or diesel vehicle.
Tesla face stiff competition. There was little chance of them setting up in the U.K. The motor industry is facing massive challenges ahead. It won’t be in too many years time that you will be frowned upon using a petrol or diesel vehicle.
Yawn.
Tesla's sudden back out tells you what Brexit will do to Britain
Boris Johnson chose to give his first big speech of the General Election campaign at an electric car plant. The Tory leader waffled on in his typically bumbling way about a Conservative majority being necessary to end the “Brexit groundhoggery” he helped create while promising to unleash “Britain’s potential”. The along came Elon Musk to drive a Tesla through everything he said. The entrepreneur has settled on Germany as the location for his first European “Gigafactory”, which will build his cars’ batteries. Britain had been in the running, but unlike one or two others, Musk was unequivocal when speaking to Auto Bild, the sister paper to car industry bible Auto Express, about his reasons for driving on by. “Brexit made it too risky,” he said.
There was worse to come. Musk had told the paper that he planned to build an R&D base in the UK in an earlier interview. Those plans have since been shelved. Said Musk: “We are also going to create an engineering and design centre in Berlin.” Of course he is. Only the most blinkered of Brexiteers could fail to see this is a major loss to UK plc.
The new generation of plants will be sited elsewhere in Europe. Some, like Tesla’s, will be in Germany. But there are plenty of other homes on the continent that will welcome them with open arms. Far from unleashing Britain’s potential, Johnson and his Tories are shackling it to a Brexit wall built on their leader’s ego and ambition and dirtied by the poisonous exhaust fumes of his friends and allies’ extremism.
If I was Elon Musk, I would have done the same. Why choose the U.K. when it’s 70% services, over a country that’s known as the biggest motor manufacturer in Europe. I’m surprised we still make cars in this country.
If I was Elon Musk, I would have done the same. Why choose the U.K. when it’s 70% services, over a country that’s known as the biggest motor manufacturer in Europe. I’m surprised we still make cars in this country.
1 We have a work force that are quite good at it.
2 He was supposed to be setting up r and d, which we are also supposed to be quite good at.
3 We have large numbers of experienced workers that will be shortly out of work.
What you cant possibly get away from is that any manufacturer that intends to set up to access the EU, from here on in, is likely to locate in Europe rather than the UK.
The Japanese would not be still here if we weren't any good at it.
There was worse to come. Musk had told the paper that he planned to build an R&D base in the UK in an earlier interview. Those plans have since been shelved. Said Musk: “We are also going to create an engineering and design centre in Berlin.” Of course he is. Only the most blinkered of Brexiteers could fail to see this is a major loss to UK plc.
The new generation of plants will be sited elsewhere in Europe. Some, like Tesla’s, will be in Germany. But there are plenty of other homes on the continent that will welcome them with open arms. Far from unleashing Britain’s potential, Johnson and his Tories are shackling it to a Brexit wall built on their leader’s ego and ambition and dirtied by the poisonous exhaust fumes of his friends and allies’ extremism.
If I was Elon Musk, I would have done the same. Why choose the U.K. when it’s 70% services, over a country that’s known as the biggest motor manufacturer in Europe. I’m surprised we still make cars in this country.
Major current marques[edit]
Aston Martin (1913–present) Bentley (1919–present) Jaguar (1935–present) Land Rover (1948–present) Lotus (1952–present) McLaren (1985–present) Mini (1959–present) Nissan UK (1984–present) Rolls-Royce (1904–present) Vauxhall (1903–present)[1] – with all models except the Astra now being manufactured abroad
I think there are still a few issues with the deal, so I saw somewhere. We won’t know if it’s a disaster for a number of years,or even reasonably successful. There will obviously be changes, but we will have to adapt. There’s always brass to be made.
Every Brexit option will cause damage to our economy.
The Brexiteers seem to espouse a very confused idea of our future trade policy.
In Scotland, where every voting region chose to remain in the EU, the Scottish National Party is gunning to retake districts it lost in 2017’s snap election by calling for another independence referendum. Meanwhile, in Northern Ireland, Brexit has pushed the question of Irish unification to the forefront two decades since the Good Friday Agreement largely settled it. The governments in London and Dublin are concerned that any upset to the delicate balance of power might reignite sectarian violence. Even in Wales, which backed leaving the EU, a recent poll suggested more people are flirting with the idea of divorcing the English. A party there seeking to break away is aiming to win a record number of seats and set up a commission to look into how independence might work.
The integrity of the U.K. is also occupying the Democratic Unionist Party, the largest pro-British group in Northern Ireland. (When the Catholic-dominated republic gained independence in 1922, the mainly Protestant north remained in the U.K.) Before Johnson came back from Brussels with a revised Brexit deal in October, the DUP’s 10 lawmakers in London had aligned with the Conservatives to give them a majority. But they recoiled at Johnson’s agreement, which would treat Northern Ireland differently from the rest of the U.K. after Brexit, thus potentially weakening its ties with the rest of the country. That, ultimately, could push it toward a “border poll,” a referendum on whether to reunite the island of Ireland
Ultimately, as with Scotland, the prospect of a border poll in Ireland depends on the British government, and the criteria for when one can be held aren’t precise. The Good Friday Agreement states that there can be a vote if the U.K. minister in charge of Northern Ireland sees a likely majority in favor of a united Ireland. That’s hard to judge. “Every Northern Irish election is like a mini-referendum on unity,” says Richard Bullick, a former adviser to DUP party leader Arlene Foster. “But we also have to be careful about overinterpreting the results.” If the DUP were to lose just two lawmakers to nationalist parties, however, that may be clear enough. Add that to an emphatic SNP triumph in Scotland, which the polls suggest is likely, and the U.K.’s future would look shaky at the very least.
This was going to be my conclusion for my forecast to upcoming events. Trying to do deals with the EU that wont want the U.K. to prosper in any shape or form. It will go on and on,trying to avoid shooting each other in the foot. I prefer top quality meat, for others their budgets might not stretch that far. We do have top quality meat in this country that we then throw c rap on, ie, chemicals and preservatives etc. If there was a hard brexit( very unlikely) never say never.
There are around 162 countries that are members of the WTO. WTO trade is based on tariffs. Tariffs make products more expensive for consumers.
We currently have access to preferential trade with almost 100 of these countries, via our EU membership, and the existing trade deals with 70 countries that the EU have negotiated. We are able to trade with the rest via the WTO, and do in some cases.
It is not possible to remain fully aligned with the EU, and become aligned with other countries, or trading blocs.
The example that is regularly quoted on this is US food standards, but there will be many others.
Less alignment, means less trade.
So we are clearly giving up our current preferential position, in the misplaced hope that we can somehow improve this further.
It is difficult to see that any improvement could be achieved, by trading less with the EU, and losing the existing trade deals with another 70 countries, not to mention any other deals that the EU are currently negotiating.
The EU trade deal with Canada took 7 years to negotiate, and 2 years to implement. So the current 70 deals will not be replaced immediately.
The EU market is around 7 times larger than the UK. If the EU see us as competitors, after we leave, it is surely unlikely that we will be able to negotiate deals on a par with the EU.
Many manufacturers that currently have a base in the UK, may relocate to Europe, soon after Brexit.
Any that already had plans for setting up in the UK may well be reconsidering, or have already decided to set up elsewhere.
Anyone putting forward a plan to benefit our economy, by leaving the worlds largest trading bloc, and losing trade deals with 70 countries, is insane.
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Trying to do deals with the EU that wont want the U.K. to prosper in any shape or form.
It will go on and on,trying to avoid shooting each other in the foot.
I prefer top quality meat, for others their budgets might not stretch that far.
We do have top quality meat in this country that we then throw c rap on, ie, chemicals and preservatives etc.
If there was a hard brexit( very unlikely) never say never.
Government's advisory committee found no impact on crime from EU migration
Conservatives have been accused of xenophobia after a minister suggested that continued free movement would bring thousands of European criminals to the UK.
A group representing EU nationals said Brandon Lewis’s claim was contradicted by the government’s own expert advisers, who found that European migration has no impact on offending and migrants can even reduce the overall crime rate because they are more law-abiding than Britons.
A spokesman for the 3Million group said Mr Lewis’s comments came “straight from the populist playbook” and were part of a wider effort to portray EU nationals as a drain on the UK.
The security minister told the Sun on Sunday that Labour’s immigration policies would mean hundreds of thousands more immigrants to the UK over the next 10 years, among whom there could be expected to be around 15,000 offenders.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-conservatives-immigration-brandon-lewis-eu-criminals-a9207206.html
I think that there are two aspects when it comes to trade.
Firstly, if we were allowed to trade with them on the same or better terms after leaving, they would encourage other members to leave.
This would obviously lead to the break up of the EU.
So we have to assume worse terms and less access.
Secondly, it is not in the interest of the other members to damage this trade more than necessary, as they also lose out.
My view is that the Brexiteers put forward a completely nonsensical argument for our future trade.
The result has to be that we will be worse off.
But I think you highlighted the fact that it’s far more than just the U.K. leaving.
It’s about keeping the EU countries in the Union, further down the line.
The U.K. and the EU are both between a rock and a hard place.
They get it wrong, the populations suffer.
Financial markets are a big part of the outcome, as the credit rating could take a big hit.
We will have to accept sole responsibility for the disaster that is Brexit.
We won’t know if it’s a disaster for a number of years,or even reasonably successful.
There will obviously be changes, but we will have to adapt.
There’s always brass to be made.
We are still stuck on the Withdrawal Agreement.
The Tesla decision to go to Germany is an indication for what to expect in the future.
There was little chance of them setting up in the U.K.
The motor industry is facing massive challenges ahead.
It won’t be in too many years time that you will be frowned upon using a petrol or diesel vehicle.
Tesla's sudden back out tells you what Brexit will do to Britain
Boris Johnson chose to give his first big speech of the General Election campaign at an electric car plant. The Tory leader waffled on in his typically bumbling way about a Conservative majority being necessary to end the “Brexit groundhoggery” he helped create while promising to unleash “Britain’s potential”.
The along came Elon Musk to drive a Tesla through everything he said.
The entrepreneur has settled on Germany as the location for his first European “Gigafactory”, which will build his cars’ batteries. Britain had been in the running, but unlike one or two others, Musk was unequivocal when speaking to Auto Bild, the sister paper to car industry bible Auto Express, about his reasons for driving on by.
“Brexit made it too risky,” he said.
There was worse to come. Musk had told the paper that he planned to build an R&D base in the UK in an earlier interview. Those plans have since been shelved.
Said Musk: “We are also going to create an engineering and design centre in Berlin.”
Of course he is.
Only the most blinkered of Brexiteers could fail to see this is a major loss to UK plc.
The new generation of plants will be sited elsewhere in Europe. Some, like Tesla’s, will be in Germany. But there are plenty of other homes on the continent that will welcome them with open arms.
Far from unleashing Britain’s potential, Johnson and his Tories are shackling it to a Brexit wall built on their leader’s ego and ambition and dirtied by the poisonous exhaust fumes of his friends and allies’ extremism.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/britain-wall-itself-off-biggest-142405831.html
Why choose the U.K. when it’s 70% services, over a country that’s known as the biggest motor manufacturer in Europe.
I’m surprised we still make cars in this country.
A degree in mathematics a must.
2 He was supposed to be setting up r and d, which we are also supposed to be quite good at.
3 We have large numbers of experienced workers that will be shortly out of work.
What you cant possibly get away from is that any manufacturer that intends to set up to access the EU, from here on in, is likely to locate in Europe rather than the UK.
The Japanese would not be still here if we weren't any good at it.
There was worse to come. Musk had told the paper that he planned to build an R&D base in the UK in an earlier interview. Those plans have since been shelved.
Said Musk: “We are also going to create an engineering and design centre in Berlin.”
Of course he is.
Only the most blinkered of Brexiteers could fail to see this is a major loss to UK plc.
The new generation of plants will be sited elsewhere in Europe. Some, like Tesla’s, will be in Germany. But there are plenty of other homes on the continent that will welcome them with open arms.
Far from unleashing Britain’s potential, Johnson and his Tories are shackling it to a Brexit wall built on their leader’s ego and ambition and dirtied by the poisonous exhaust fumes of his friends and allies’ extremism.
Aston Martin (1913–present)
Bentley (1919–present)
Jaguar (1935–present)
Land Rover (1948–present)
Lotus (1952–present)
McLaren (1985–present)
Mini (1959–present)
Nissan UK (1984–present)
Rolls-Royce (1904–present)
Vauxhall (1903–present)[1] – with all models except the Astra now being manufactured abroad
The Brexiteers seem to espouse a very confused idea of our future trade policy.
Moron Of The Week: feck the Union we've got the Commonwealth
In Scotland, where every voting region chose to remain in the EU, the Scottish National Party is gunning to retake districts it lost in 2017’s snap election by calling for another independence referendum. Meanwhile, in Northern Ireland, Brexit has pushed the question of Irish unification to the forefront two decades since the Good Friday Agreement largely settled it. The governments in London and Dublin are concerned that any upset to the delicate balance of power might reignite sectarian violence. Even in Wales, which backed leaving the EU, a recent poll suggested more people are flirting with the idea of divorcing the English. A party there seeking to break away is aiming to win a record number of seats and set up a commission to look into how independence might work.
The integrity of the U.K. is also occupying the Democratic Unionist Party, the largest pro-British group in Northern Ireland. (When the Catholic-dominated republic gained independence in 1922, the mainly Protestant north remained in the U.K.) Before Johnson came back from Brussels with a revised Brexit deal in October, the DUP’s 10 lawmakers in London had aligned with the Conservatives to give them a majority. But they recoiled at Johnson’s agreement, which would treat Northern Ireland differently from the rest of the U.K. after Brexit, thus potentially weakening its ties with the rest of the country. That, ultimately, could push it toward a “border poll,” a referendum on whether to reunite the island of Ireland
Ultimately, as with Scotland, the prospect of a border poll in Ireland depends on the British government, and the criteria for when one can be held aren’t precise. The Good Friday Agreement states that there can be a vote if the U.K. minister in charge of Northern Ireland sees a likely majority in favor of a united Ireland. That’s hard to judge. “Every Northern Irish election is like a mini-referendum on unity,” says Richard Bullick, a former adviser to DUP party leader Arlene Foster. “But we also have to be careful about overinterpreting the results.”
If the DUP were to lose just two lawmakers to nationalist parties, however, that may be clear enough. Add that to an emphatic SNP triumph in Scotland, which the polls suggest is likely, and the U.K.’s future would look shaky at the very least.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/the-end-of-the-united-kingdom-may-be-nearing/ar-BBX2TdV?ocid=spartandhp
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/leo-varadkar-euuk-trade-deal-by-end-of-2020-not-impossible-140757992.html
WTO trade is based on tariffs.
Tariffs make products more expensive for consumers.
We currently have access to preferential trade with almost 100 of these countries, via our EU membership, and the existing trade deals with 70 countries that the EU have negotiated. We are able to trade with the rest via the WTO, and do in some cases.
It is not possible to remain fully aligned with the EU, and become aligned with other countries, or trading blocs.
The example that is regularly quoted on this is US food standards, but there will be many others.
Less alignment, means less trade.
So we are clearly giving up our current preferential position, in the misplaced hope that we can somehow improve this further.
It is difficult to see that any improvement could be achieved, by trading less with the EU, and losing the existing trade deals with another 70 countries, not to mention any other deals that the EU are currently negotiating.
The EU trade deal with Canada took 7 years to negotiate, and 2 years to implement. So the current 70 deals will not be replaced immediately.
The EU market is around 7 times larger than the UK. If the EU see us as competitors, after we leave, it is surely unlikely that we will be able to negotiate deals on a par with the EU.
Many manufacturers that currently have a base in the UK, may relocate to Europe, soon after Brexit.
Any that already had plans for setting up in the UK may well be reconsidering, or have already decided to set up elsewhere.
Anyone putting forward a plan to benefit our economy, by leaving the worlds largest trading bloc, and losing trade deals with 70 countries, is insane.