Double standards by the state ! Not only this but they have moved TR to a prison with a majority of muslim inmates. Not exactly a duty of care, putting someone in harms way. If he gets killed a lot of people will see it as state sponsored murder.
1) Scottish court isn't English court. You can't hold them to the same standards for sentencing. Even if you could... 2) Sentencing a group of individuals involved in publication of a news article is entirely different to sentencing an individual like Tommy Robinson, due to difficulties involved in apportioning blame to a single person. 3) Tommy Robinson received a suspended sentence, following which he then chose to commit a similar offence. A suspended prison sentence is arguably a lesser punishment than an £80k fine in any case. You can argue about whether a suspended sentence was correct to begin with, but... 4) Tommy's large following makes other sentencing options inappropriate (I've gone into more detail below).
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Re: Majority Muslim inmates - Wherever someone ends up, prisons will have various 'factions' and hierarchies within those, typically based on race. Short of having racial segregation, there's no way around that - And even if you had racial segregation, prisoners would still find another way to establish a hierarchy among a prison consisting of solely white men, solely Muslim men, or whatever. Sexual assault in prison is so prevalent because hierarchy.
Short of sticking Tommy Robinson in a cell by himself 24/7, he's gonna have a target on his back, because for somebody inside for a long time with nothing to lose, they have everything to gain by attacking and potentially killing Tommy Robinson.
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"State-sponsored murder" - A hypothetical attacker would most likely be someone who is after increased status within the prison hierarchy, which would be indicative of a far deeper problem with our failed prison system that only serves to perpetuate crime.
While Tommy Robinson is at an increased risk of harm due to his notoriety, every single person who goes into prison is exposed to the prison environment and the problems therein. The failure to address the prison environment is not so much "state-sponsored murder" as negligence to every single person who has ever been inside.
Our prisons are used for incapacitating people associated with things like drug crimes, as well as many minor offences, such that they become overcrowded and incapable of rehabilitating people for reintegration into society, which is arguably the main reason to stick the average inmate busted with an ounce of pot inside in the first place.
Until we give up trying to fight a war on drugs (given how much drugs contribute to the prison population and the culture within), decriminalise drug use, allow licensed selling of almost all currently illegal drugs to take the drugs trade away from gangs, and find more appropriate custodial sentencing for non-violent offences, then the prison system is destined to fail the vast majority of its inmates.
Tommy Robinson isn't a violent criminal, and therefore shouldn't be with potentially violent people, which is what you create when you convict every man and his dog of drug crimes and stick them in an environment that enables drug dependency and gang culture.
Ideally, we would have the ability to stick him in with a group of people busted for other non-violent crimes (Prison for non-violent crime should still exist to deter future non-violent offending in society) and also have funding for the prison system to actually do its job of rehabilitation so that Tommy Robinson comes out of prison and isn't a racist d**k any more.
The prison system is broken, the war on drugs is lost, but no Government cares to fix it or wants to admit defeat. So this is what we end up with instead.
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Alternative punishments that could've been given to Tommy Robinson? - It's a tough one. The other options available have their own difficulties:
Give him a fine: Works in most cases, but it's going to take him about half a nanosecond once he gets out of court to have a Gofundme page up to pay his fine and a day to reach his target. End result: His followers pay his fine and he continues doing what he's doing, so the whole thing achieves nothing.
Give him X hours community service: He'll turn up, but so will hundreds of his followers protesting his conviction in the first place when he tweets where he's working and invites people along. End result: Stupid amounts of police money and money wasted on protesters wherever Tommy is supposed to be doing community service, and it serves as a publicity stunt to further his agenda, rather than any kind of deterrent
Give the guy a suspended sentence: Probably the best option and obvs what they did in the first case, you're effectively doing nothing in the short term but you stand a chance of deterring him (and others) from future offending and you're not giving him the same publicity for the first offence. However once he's re-offended, obviously there's no decision other than to send him to jail.
Over/under line set to end of 2021 for when an autobiography about his time in prison gets released But in some ways, the inability to punish him in any other way probably forced the hand of the court somewhat in giving a suspended sentence in the first place.
And tbh, if you're dumb enough to re-offend after getting a suspended sentence, you probably deserve what you get in any case.
I can't disagree with anything that @EvilPingu said, really.
My only other thought is possibly 24 hour tagging, effectively house arrest, with a relaxation of the curfew over the length of the sentence providing there is no more re-offending, for many non violent crimes.
Double standards by the state ! Not only this but they have moved TR to a prison with a majority of muslim inmates. Not exactly a duty of care, putting someone in harms way. If he gets killed a lot of people will see it as state sponsored murder.
The minute the publicity machine grinds to a halt **** be consigned to history along with edsel, hula hoops, space hoppers, ford capris, tamagotchis and the blooming Teletubbies.
The case Tommy reported on was already over, and they were up for sentencing, these rape gangs have been at it for years, and been covered up, why havent the main stream media reported on it, Tommy is also supporting the families of 3 boys killed by a muslim extremist in my home town, no media have supported their case , police said it wasnt a terrorist attack, even said they had no cctv of crime, Families of the boys had to fight to get cctv,
To all the people having a go at Tommy, thousands of children have been raped, but you seem more interested in ,what you think Tommy Robinson has done wrong, but i suppose the thought of offending peoples feelings outweigh that.
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2) Sentencing a group of individuals involved in publication of a news article is entirely different to sentencing an individual like Tommy Robinson, due to difficulties involved in apportioning blame to a single person.
3) Tommy Robinson received a suspended sentence, following which he then chose to commit a similar offence. A suspended prison sentence is arguably a lesser punishment than an £80k fine in any case. You can argue about whether a suspended sentence was correct to begin with, but...
4) Tommy's large following makes other sentencing options inappropriate (I've gone into more detail below).
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Re: Majority Muslim inmates - Wherever someone ends up, prisons will have various 'factions' and hierarchies within those, typically based on race. Short of having racial segregation, there's no way around that - And even if you had racial segregation, prisoners would still find another way to establish a hierarchy among a prison consisting of solely white men, solely Muslim men, or whatever. Sexual assault in prison is so prevalent because hierarchy.
Short of sticking Tommy Robinson in a cell by himself 24/7, he's gonna have a target on his back, because for somebody inside for a long time with nothing to lose, they have everything to gain by attacking and potentially killing Tommy Robinson.
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"State-sponsored murder" - A hypothetical attacker would most likely be someone who is after increased status within the prison hierarchy, which would be indicative of a far deeper problem with our failed prison system that only serves to perpetuate crime.
While Tommy Robinson is at an increased risk of harm due to his notoriety, every single person who goes into prison is exposed to the prison environment and the problems therein. The failure to address the prison environment is not so much "state-sponsored murder" as negligence to every single person who has ever been inside.
Our prisons are used for incapacitating people associated with things like drug crimes, as well as many minor offences, such that they become overcrowded and incapable of rehabilitating people for reintegration into society, which is arguably the main reason to stick the average inmate busted with an ounce of pot inside in the first place.
Until we give up trying to fight a war on drugs (given how much drugs contribute to the prison population and the culture within), decriminalise drug use, allow licensed selling of almost all currently illegal drugs to take the drugs trade away from gangs, and find more appropriate custodial sentencing for non-violent offences, then the prison system is destined to fail the vast majority of its inmates.
Tommy Robinson isn't a violent criminal, and therefore shouldn't be with potentially violent people, which is what you create when you convict every man and his dog of drug crimes and stick them in an environment that enables drug dependency and gang culture.
Ideally, we would have the ability to stick him in with a group of people busted for other non-violent crimes (Prison for non-violent crime should still exist to deter future non-violent offending in society) and also have funding for the prison system to actually do its job of rehabilitation so that Tommy Robinson comes out of prison and isn't a racist d**k any more.
The prison system is broken, the war on drugs is lost, but no Government cares to fix it or wants to admit defeat. So this is what we end up with instead.
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Alternative punishments that could've been given to Tommy Robinson? - It's a tough one. The other options available have their own difficulties:
- Give him a fine: Works in most cases, but it's going to take him about half a nanosecond once he gets out of court to have a Gofundme page up to pay his fine and a day to reach his target. End result: His followers pay his fine and he continues doing what he's doing, so the whole thing achieves nothing.
- Give him X hours community service: He'll turn up, but so will hundreds of his followers protesting his conviction in the first place when he tweets where he's working and invites people along. End result: Stupid amounts of police money and money wasted on protesters wherever Tommy is supposed to be doing community service, and it serves as a publicity stunt to further his agenda, rather than any kind of deterrent
- Give the guy a suspended sentence: Probably the best option and obvs what they did in the first case, you're effectively doing nothing in the short term but you stand a chance of deterring him (and others) from future offending and you're not giving him the same publicity for the first offence. However once he's re-offended, obviously there's no decision other than to send him to jail.
Over/under line set to end of 2021 for when an autobiography about his time in prison gets releasedAnd tbh, if you're dumb enough to re-offend after getting a suspended sentence, you probably deserve what you get in any case.
My only other thought is possibly 24 hour tagging, effectively house arrest, with a relaxation of the curfew over the length of the sentence providing there is no more re-offending, for many non violent crimes.
The minute the publicity machine grinds to a halt **** be consigned to history along with edsel, hula hoops, space hoppers, ford capris, tamagotchis and the blooming Teletubbies.
ROFL at this.......
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/justice-tommy-robinson-protest-scrapped-12857570
Have all the snowflakes melted?
I assume you'll be pleased your hero has a new trial?
If there's any justice (no pun), he'll be looking at an even longer stretch in the slammer.
You'd like that though Vespa, another #freetommy march to pop in your diary. Exciting.
If we type "he' ll" (I've inserted a space to fool the filter) it ignores the apostrophe & assumes you have typed "hel l".
Prison is the new "Boot Camp"
He should be charged.