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  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    As Mohammed Akunjee, he claimed in an article carried on the Cage website that the security services “created” Michael Adebolajo, the killer of Lee Rigby, as a terrorist “by making his life so difficult”.

    The argument closely echoes that made by Cage in the case of Mohammed Emwazi, the Isil murderer known as “Jihadi John”.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited December 2018
    The list of subversives grows by the day ..these threads really need to go on FB . The views of certain people just aren't getting the coverage they deserve .
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793

    As Mohammed Akunjee, he claimed in an article carried on the Cage website that the security services “created” Michael Adebolajo, the killer of Lee Rigby, as a terrorist “by making his life so difficult”.

    The argument closely echoes that made by Cage in the case of Mohammed Emwazi, the Isil murderer known as “Jihadi John”.

    I'm sure Phantom will be along shortly to defend him. :(
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,149
    Fraud and fake news, everyday occurrence in Politics. There is no credible Party to vote for in upcoming G.E.
    All move to Scotland vote for independence the heather is lovely this time of year, they keep a welcome in the hillside even for sassenach's
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,756

    The best thing about you so called liberals, is you are the best recruiting tool for the so called far right, even Spain has elected a Nationalist Party.

    Back tracking from ^ Rainman?
    “ Best Thing” ?
    You think ( so called) far right is a good thing then?
    Nationalist Parties a good thing?
    Fan of Marine Le Pen?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Worse than that I haven't even used the same words that you have .

    Not defending anyone , I will leave that to you .

    Your fiery rhetoric towards TR doesn't fuel hatred , then ?

    The hypocrite pic was bang on !
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    No back tracking, i am opposed to far right groups, in my youth was even a member of the ANL, but am now on the right of politics.
    As for Marine Le Pen i do not know enough about her political stance.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited December 2018
    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Alleged ? You don't think advocating people not cooperate with terrorism police is extremist ? seriously you people aren't real ! And we all know if he didn't say that , he would have hauled the telegraph into court .
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Alleged ? You don't think advocating people not cooperate with terrorism police is extremist ? seriously you people aren't real ! And we all know if he didn't say that , he would have hauled the telegraph into court .
    Alleged? Yes.

    Advocating that people don't cooperate with terrorism police is wrong and depending on context it could be extremist. I only have this telegraph article to go on at the moment so I do not know if he said that or in what context.

    Since when has not suing been an admission of guilt?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Alleged ? You don't think advocating people not cooperate with terrorism police is extremist ? seriously you people aren't real ! And we all know if he didn't say that , he would have hauled the telegraph into court .
    Alleged? Yes.

    Advocating that people don't cooperate with terrorism police is wrong and depending on context it could be extremist. I only have this telegraph article to go on at the moment so I do not know if he said that or in what context.

    Since when has not suing been an admission of guilt?
    We all totally get where your sympathies lie now .
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Alleged ? You don't think advocating people not cooperate with terrorism police is extremist ? seriously you people aren't real ! And we all know if he didn't say that , he would have hauled the telegraph into court .
    Alleged? Yes.

    Advocating that people don't cooperate with terrorism police is wrong and depending on context it could be extremist. I only have this telegraph article to go on at the moment so I do not know if he said that or in what context.

    Since when has not suing been an admission of guilt?
    Did you read the whole article, ie LEE RIGBY and CHARLIE HEBDO.
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Worse than that I haven't even used the same words that you have .

    Not defending anyone , I will leave that to you .

    Your fiery rhetoric towards TR doesn't fuel hatred , then ?

    The hypocrite pic was bang on !
    What fiery rhetoric towards TR would that be?

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Alleged ? You don't think advocating people not cooperate with terrorism police is extremist ? seriously you people aren't real ! And we all know if he didn't say that , he would have hauled the telegraph into court .
    Alleged? Yes.

    Advocating that people don't cooperate with terrorism police is wrong and depending on context it could be extremist. I only have this telegraph article to go on at the moment so I do not know if he said that or in what context.

    Since when has not suing been an admission of guilt?
    We all totally get where your sympathies lie now .
    I doubt that very much, maybe you and Rainman would like to think so.

    Where do you think my sympathies lie exactly?

    Do I need to keep repeating, if true there are plenty of disgusting comments in there that I wholeheartedly disapprove of and condemn.

    If the person acting on behalf of a Syrian refugee can be discredited then does that make TR right in what he said about the refugee?

    My mum always said two wrongs don't make a right.


  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Worse than that I haven't even used the same words that you have .

    Not defending anyone , I will leave that to you .

    Your fiery rhetoric towards TR doesn't fuel hatred , then ?

    The hypocrite pic was bang on !
    What fiery rhetoric towards TR would that be?

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Alleged ? You don't think advocating people not cooperate with terrorism police is extremist ? seriously you people aren't real ! And we all know if he didn't say that , he would have hauled the telegraph into court .
    Alleged? Yes.

    Advocating that people don't cooperate with terrorism police is wrong and depending on context it could be extremist. I only have this telegraph article to go on at the moment so I do not know if he said that or in what context.

    Since when has not suing been an admission of guilt?
    We all totally get where your sympathies lie now .
    I doubt that very much, maybe you and Rainman would like to think so.

    Where do you think my sympathies lie exactly?

    Do I need to keep repeating, if true there are plenty of disgusting comments in there that I wholeheartedly disapprove of and condemn.

    If the person acting on behalf of a Syrian refugee can be discredited then does that make TR right in what he said about the refugee?

    My mum always said two wrongs don't make a right.


    Do you not find it strange that a law firm from Brentford West London is representing them?
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited December 2018

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Alleged ? You don't think advocating people not cooperate with terrorism police is extremist ? seriously you people aren't real ! And we all know if he didn't say that , he would have hauled the telegraph into court .
    Alleged? Yes.

    Advocating that people don't cooperate with terrorism police is wrong and depending on context it could be extremist. I only have this telegraph article to go on at the moment so I do not know if he said that or in what context.

    Since when has not suing been an admission of guilt?
    Did you read the whole article, ie LEE RIGBY and CHARLIE HEBDO.
    Yes. Like I said there are some pretty awful quotes in there which was why I was surprised the example given was the Prevent one where the terms that are actually in quotes are mild in comparison.
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    Phantom66 said:

    @dobiesdraw

    Taken from the Telegraph article....

    However, Mr Akunjee has previously said that no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police, arguing that Prevent, the Government’s counter-terror policy, is “straightforward, paid-for spying on the community”.

    Appearing before the home affairs select committee yesterday, Mr Akunjee gave a less hardline view of the Prevent programme, telling MPs “some of the organisations that feed into Prevent are not good enough”.


    Just for clarity and for balance...

    1. There are no quote marks around the comment "no Muslim should co-operate with anti-terror police" so it is not a quote is it?

    2. Where did the alleged quote that "[Prevent is] straightforward, paid-for spying on the community" come from?

    If you want to discuss Prevent please start a new thread and I will happily comment in more detail as it is something that I am qualified to talk about.

    https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/direct-indirect-quotations-0

    Happy to educate you . As far as where did the 2nd point come from , no idea ..why don't you ask the Telegraph ? perhaps invite them to your own little thread on here.

    We all get your real view on the subject now though ;)
    Oh the irony.

    You didn't misquote me because you didn't use quotation marks but those same standards don't apply to the Telegraph?

    I am only trying to hold you to the standards that you use to defend the alleged extremist TR (who you don't support apparently) to the alleged extremist Muslim solicitor.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that I said if those quotes are true then I would hope that the family distance themselves from him. I am against all forms of extremism and bigotry Islamic and Islamophobic are 2 sides of the same bad penny fuelling hatred and fear and dividing communities.

    I also said that there were alleged quotes in there far worse than the Prevent quote (the direct quote) so @Rainman there is no point in keep hauling out more of them.
    Alleged ? You don't think advocating people not cooperate with terrorism police is extremist ? seriously you people aren't real ! And we all know if he didn't say that , he would have hauled the telegraph into court .
    Alleged? Yes.

    Advocating that people don't cooperate with terrorism police is wrong and depending on context it could be extremist. I only have this telegraph article to go on at the moment so I do not know if he said that or in what context.

    Since when has not suing been an admission of guilt?
    Did you read the whole article, ie LEE RIGBY and CHARLIE HEBDO.
    Yes. Like I said there are some pretty awful quotes in there which was why I was surprised the example given was the Prevent one where the terms that are actually in quotes are mild in comparison.
    So is he an alleged extremist or just an extremist.
    I understand if you have to take legal advice off essexill.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    The article was from 3 years ago ..if you think he had any just cause in suing the writer /paper , then being a prominent solicitor , he would have done so by now .
  • Phantom66Phantom66 Member Posts: 5,542
    edited December 2018


    So is he an alleged extremist or just an extremist.
    I understand if you have to take legal advice off essexill.

    Many of the remarks in the article are extremist.

    I use alleged as this is one report and none of the quotes are substantiated with direct quotes (yet) and since it was written 3 years ago I would have thought there would be more evidence.

    I also used the phrase alleged extremist about TR.

    The term alleged may be redundant in both cases. Perhaps I should take legal advice?

    Perhaps you or dobiesdraw might actually answer a question one day, or find a tangible defence for TR's actions in relation to the Syrian Refugee?
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    Phantom66 said:


    So is he an alleged extremist or just an extremist.
    I understand if you have to take legal advice off essexill.

    Many of the remarks in the article are extremist.

    I use alleged as this is one report and none of the quotes are substantiated with direct quotes (yet) and since it was written 3 years ago I would have thought there would be more evidence.

    I also used the phrase alleged extremist about TR.

    The term alleged may be redundant in both cases. Perhaps I should take legal advice?

    Perhaps you or dobiesdraw might actually answer a question one day, or find a tangible defence for TR's actions in relation to the Syrian Refugee?
    Ask me a question ?
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