@dobiesdraw I am honoured that you were up at 4am and taking the time to post on a forum about me.
Yes I have indeed reproduced, twice in fact. I met a wonderful beautiful kind hearted woman who is not a bigot or a racist and we have been married for 26 years.
It seems that you enjoy deliberately misquoting me so you can discredit things I haven't said.
If you want to have a reasoned debate about TR and his beliefs I shall be happy to continue to do so.
What do you actually think of the video of the 15 year Syrian boy being attacked at school?
Trust me being up at 4 am had nothing to do with you
Where have I misquoted you ? evidence it !
Try reading what I have said earlier in this thread , where I categorically state , I am not a particular fan of TR .
Again , if you could be bothered to read , you will also see exactly what I had to say about the attack .
Is there something wrong with you ? The above is an article from the 30th Nov ...Who disputes any of that ? TR admitted he was in his own words " had " . Don't know what point you are trying to prove exactly and doubt you do . Another bandwagon jumper is what you are !
@dobiesdraw I am honoured that you were up at 4am and taking the time to post on a forum about me.
Yes I have indeed reproduced, twice in fact. I met a wonderful beautiful kind hearted woman who is not a bigot or a racist and we have been married for 26 years.
It seems that you enjoy deliberately misquoting me so you can discredit things I haven't said.
If you want to have a reasoned debate about TR and his beliefs I shall be happy to continue to do so.
What do you actually think of the video of the 15 year Syrian boy being attacked at school?
Going back to the bolded bit on this ..If you think I am a bigot or a racist , just come out and say it . Just make sure you have something to back it up with .
I know what date it was published, it still seemed relevant as
1) Noone can accuse it of being a "leftist" source. 2) You were asking for evidence of deleted facebook posts.
I am please that you don't dispute any of that article including...
In a Facebook Live video, Robinson criticised the sympathy shown to the Syrian refugee victim and his family.
Robinson said: 'Imagine being in that school, you have lots of Muslim gangs beating up lots of young English kids, not one-on-one but gangs booting the **** out of them.
'Then you decide to make a stand against this kid and you go up and grab him, then what happens? The whole world turns against him.'
He also hit out at what he called 'bearded Muslim men' outside the school holding a demonstration in solidarity with Jamal and his family.
Earlier you seemed to be disputing that the Syrian boy was a victim. It is now 100% clear that the attack was not retaliatory and the boy had been subject to numerous attacks before.
'He lists reoccurring bullying, verbal, physical and psychological abuse from a group of pupils. His arm was broken and he went to HRI. He lists a number of incidents and names a number of people. About five or six incidents - throwing water at him, swearing, throwing an egg at him, setting his hair on fire."
TR admits he was "had" about the non-existent Muslim gangs he was so quick to believe, yet knowing they were false has he actually come out and condemned the actions of the bully or offered support for the victim?
Now correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to still be giving the notion of credibility to the refugee being an ISIS supporter because he is holding a finger up in a photo.
Why? TR deleted that claim as well but you believe it?
I know what date it was published, it still seemed relevant as
1) Noone can accuse it of being a "leftist" source. 2) You were asking for evidence of deleted facebook posts.
I am please that you don't dispute any of that article including...
In a Facebook Live video, Robinson criticised the sympathy shown to the Syrian refugee victim and his family.
Robinson said: 'Imagine being in that school, you have lots of Muslim gangs beating up lots of young English kids, not one-on-one but gangs booting the **** out of them.
'Then you decide to make a stand against this kid and you go up and grab him, then what happens? The whole world turns against him.'
He also hit out at what he called 'bearded Muslim men' outside the school holding a demonstration in solidarity with Jamal and his family.
Earlier you seemed to be disputing that the Syrian boy was a victim. It is now 100% clear that the attack was not retaliatory and the boy had been subject to numerous attacks before.
'He lists reoccurring bullying, verbal, physical and psychological abuse from a group of pupils. His arm was broken and he went to HRI. He lists a number of incidents and names a number of people. About five or six incidents - throwing water at him, swearing, throwing an egg at him, setting his hair on fire."
TR admits he was "had" about the non-existent Muslim gangs he was so quick to believe, yet knowing they were false has he actually come out and condemned the actions of the bully or offered support for the victim?
Now correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to still be giving the notion of credibility to the refugee being an ISIS supporter because he is holding a finger up in a photo.
Why? TR deleted that claim as well but you believe it?
You need to learn how to read properly before you start making wild assumptions , like the first one bolded .
I questioned what the possible reasons could be for the same finger pose in different poses ..hhy , couldn't give me a reason , and I'm still waiting to hear one from you . That's worlds apart from " giving a notion of credibility " .
Where did I say I believe it ? Once again you run true to form , and make things up .
@dobiesdraw I am honoured that you were up at 4am and taking the time to post on a forum about me.
Yes I have indeed reproduced, twice in fact. I met a wonderful beautiful kind hearted woman who is not a bigot or a racist and we have been married for 26 years.
It seems that you enjoy deliberately misquoting me so you can discredit things I haven't said.
If you want to have a reasoned debate about TR and his beliefs I shall be happy to continue to do so.
What do you actually think of the video of the 15 year Syrian boy being attacked at school?
Going back to the bolded bit on this ..If you think I am a bigot or a racist , just come out and say it . Just make sure you have something to back it up with .
@dobiesdraw I am honoured that you were up at 4am and taking the time to post on a forum about me.
Yes I have indeed reproduced, twice in fact. I met a wonderful beautiful kind hearted woman who is not a bigot or a racist and we have been married for 26 years.
It seems that you enjoy deliberately misquoting me so you can discredit things I haven't said.
If you want to have a reasoned debate about TR and his beliefs I shall be happy to continue to do so.
What do you actually think of the video of the 15 year Syrian boy being attacked at school?
Trust me being up at 4 am had nothing to do with you
Where have I misquoted you ? evidence it !
Try reading what I have said earlier in this thread , where I categorically state , I am not a particular fan of TR .
Again , if you could be bothered to read , you will also see exactly what I had to say about the attack .
And while you are at it answer this LIE ! And yea that's me saying it straight and calling you a liar .
Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible , yet automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument . Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead.
1. Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible.
TRUE.
Happy to question the judgement of people who donate to the convicted fraudster without question. Happy to question bigoted views being expressed anywhere by anyone.
2. automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument
UNTRUE
Did I say the video by the man in the photo was speaking the truth? I think I explicitly said that people can watch it and make their own minds up who to believe.
Surely if TR or any one else is going to throw out defamatory remarks about someone being a member of ISIS, they are the ones who should need a burden of proof? TR has deleted to post in which he made the ISIS comment after receiving a letter from a Solicitor. I think that speaks for itself.
I know what date it was published, it still seemed relevant as
1) Noone can accuse it of being a "leftist" source. 2) You were asking for evidence of deleted facebook posts.
I am please that you don't dispute any of that article including...
In a Facebook Live video, Robinson criticised the sympathy shown to the Syrian refugee victim and his family.
Robinson said: 'Imagine being in that school, you have lots of Muslim gangs beating up lots of young English kids, not one-on-one but gangs booting the **** out of them.
'Then you decide to make a stand against this kid and you go up and grab him, then what happens? The whole world turns against him.'
He also hit out at what he called 'bearded Muslim men' outside the school holding a demonstration in solidarity with Jamal and his family.
Earlier you seemed to be disputing that the Syrian boy was a victim. It is now 100% clear that the attack was not retaliatory and the boy had been subject to numerous attacks before.
'He lists reoccurring bullying, verbal, physical and psychological abuse from a group of pupils. His arm was broken and he went to HRI. He lists a number of incidents and names a number of people. About five or six incidents - throwing water at him, swearing, throwing an egg at him, setting his hair on fire."
TR admits he was "had" about the non-existent Muslim gangs he was so quick to believe, yet knowing they were false has he actually come out and condemned the actions of the bully or offered support for the victim?
Now correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to still be giving the notion of credibility to the refugee being an ISIS supporter because he is holding a finger up in a photo.
Why? TR deleted that claim as well but you believe it?
You need to learn how to read properly before you start making wild assumptions , like the first one bolded .
I questioned what the possible reasons could be for the same finger pose in different poses ..hhy , couldn't give me a reason , and I'm still waiting to hear one from you . That's worlds apart from " giving a notion of credibility " .
Where did I say I believe it ? Once again you run true to form , and make things up .
Where did I say you said you believe it?
I think my English grammar is up to scratch thank you.
I said you are "giving a notion of credibility" to the ISIS claim. TR has withdrawn it.
You are still awaiting more information before deciding.
Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible , yet automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument . Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead.
1. Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible.
TRUE.
Happy to question the judgement of people who donate to the convicted fraudster without question. Happy to question bigoted views being expressed anywhere by anyone.
2. automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument
UNTRUE
Did I say the video by the man in the photo was speaking the truth? I think I explicitly said that people can watch it and make their own minds up who to believe.
Surely if TR or any one else is going to throw out defamatory remarks about someone being a member of ISIS, they are the ones who should need a burden of proof? TR has deleted to post in which he made the ISIS comment after receiving a letter from a Solicitor. I think that speaks for itself.
And that's the best you can come up with to prove I misquoted you ? Didn't refer to the video as you or anyone else can clearly see . Still waiting for a misquote , to help you out as obviously you are a little tapped , a quote will normally have quotation marks before and after it ..if it doesn't then it will clearly repeat what someone else has said. You can't come on this forum or any and lie about being misquoted , without being able to prove it .
Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible , yet automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument . Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead.
1. Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible.
TRUE.
Happy to question the judgement of people who donate to the convicted fraudster without question. Happy to question bigoted views being expressed anywhere by anyone.
2. automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument
UNTRUE
Did I say the video by the man in the photo was speaking the truth? I think I explicitly said that people can watch it and make their own minds up who to believe.
Surely if TR or any one else is going to throw out defamatory remarks about someone being a member of ISIS, they are the ones who should need a burden of proof? TR has deleted to post in which he made the ISIS comment after receiving a letter from a Solicitor. I think that speaks for itself.
phantom, curious to know your views on solicitor farooq bajwa?
Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible , yet automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument . Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead.
1. Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible.
TRUE.
Happy to question the judgement of people who donate to the convicted fraudster without question. Happy to question bigoted views being expressed anywhere by anyone.
2. automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument
UNTRUE
Did I say the video by the man in the photo was speaking the truth? I think I explicitly said that people can watch it and make their own minds up who to believe.
Surely if TR or any one else is going to throw out defamatory remarks about someone being a member of ISIS, they are the ones who should need a burden of proof? TR has deleted to post in which he made the ISIS comment after receiving a letter from a Solicitor. I think that speaks for itself.
phantom, curious to know your views on solicitor farooq bajwa?
Maybe deliberate misrepresentation is a better term than misquote, but when you sum up a view of another person in a skewed way so you can discredit it then it is pretty lazy and shows you have no real faith in your own argument.
Incidentally despite your incessant goading I am not going to resort to name calling.
"obviously you are a little tapped" "Only shock of the post , is that you've actually reproduced" "Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead."
Maybe deliberate misrepresentation is a better term than misquote, but when you sum up a view of another person in a skewed way so you can discredit it then it is pretty lazy and shows you have no real faith in your own argument.
Incidentally despite your incessant goading I am not going to resort to name calling.
"obviously you are a little tapped" "Only shock of the post , is that you've actually reproduced" "Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead."
All true ! Now answer how you feel about the solicitors representing the young lad being guilty of fraudulent activity ? Especially as how you like to point out about TR's past .
Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible , yet automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument . Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead.
1. Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible.
TRUE.
Happy to question the judgement of people who donate to the convicted fraudster without question. Happy to question bigoted views being expressed anywhere by anyone.
2. automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument
UNTRUE
Did I say the video by the man in the photo was speaking the truth? I think I explicitly said that people can watch it and make their own minds up who to believe.
Surely if TR or any one else is going to throw out defamatory remarks about someone being a member of ISIS, they are the ones who should need a burden of proof? TR has deleted to post in which he made the ISIS comment after receiving a letter from a Solicitor. I think that speaks for itself.
phantom, curious to know your views on solicitor farooq bajwa?
Firstly I do not know farooq bajwa or feel able to make a qualified opinion.
Neither do I know the Solicitor who wrote to TR, Tasnime Akunjee.
Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible , yet automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument . Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead.
1. Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible.
TRUE.
Happy to question the judgement of people who donate to the convicted fraudster without question. Happy to question bigoted views being expressed anywhere by anyone.
2. automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument
UNTRUE
Did I say the video by the man in the photo was speaking the truth? I think I explicitly said that people can watch it and make their own minds up who to believe.
Surely if TR or any one else is going to throw out defamatory remarks about someone being a member of ISIS, they are the ones who should need a burden of proof? TR has deleted to post in which he made the ISIS comment after receiving a letter from a Solicitor. I think that speaks for itself.
phantom, curious to know your views on solicitor farooq bajwa?
Firstly I do not know farooq bajwa or feel able to make a qualified opinion.
Neither do I know the Solicitor who wrote to TR, Tasnime Akunjee.
I would defer to @Essexphil as to the seriousness of that matter and the relevance to his firms credibility/ability to sue for defamation.
Lightweight you are ..it's already in the public domain, they pleaded guilty and were fined . Wait for Ironside if you so wish ..but I think it's very amusing that you are more than prepared to mention TR and the word fraudster but are unprepared to comment on this .
Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible , yet automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument . Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead.
1. Lambasts TR supporters for being gullible.
TRUE.
Happy to question the judgement of people who donate to the convicted fraudster without question. Happy to question bigoted views being expressed anywhere by anyone.
2. automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument
UNTRUE
Did I say the video by the man in the photo was speaking the truth? I think I explicitly said that people can watch it and make their own minds up who to believe.
Surely if TR or any one else is going to throw out defamatory remarks about someone being a member of ISIS, they are the ones who should need a burden of proof? TR has deleted to post in which he made the ISIS comment after receiving a letter from a Solicitor. I think that speaks for itself.
phantom, curious to know your views on solicitor farooq bajwa?
Firstly I do not know farooq bajwa or feel able to make a qualified opinion.
Neither do I know the Solicitor who wrote to TR, Tasnime Akunjee.
I would defer to @Essexphil as to the seriousness of that matter and the relevance to his firms credibility/ability to sue for defamation.
Sorry i thought you would examine both sides, my mistake. If you dig a bit deeper, you might find out a bit more. As for the seriousness of the said matter it is fraud.
Comments
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6446445/Tommy-Robinson-admits-wrong-Muslim-gang-claims.html
Where have I misquoted you ? evidence it !
Try reading what I have said earlier in this thread , where I categorically state , I am not a particular fan of TR .
Again , if you could be bothered to read , you will also see exactly what I had to say about the attack .
1) Noone can accuse it of being a "leftist" source.
2) You were asking for evidence of deleted facebook posts.
I am please that you don't dispute any of that article including...
In a Facebook Live video, Robinson criticised the sympathy shown to the Syrian refugee victim and his family.
Robinson said: 'Imagine being in that school, you have lots of Muslim gangs beating up lots of young English kids, not one-on-one but gangs booting the **** out of them.
'Then you decide to make a stand against this kid and you go up and grab him, then what happens? The whole world turns against him.'
He also hit out at what he called 'bearded Muslim men' outside the school holding a demonstration in solidarity with Jamal and his family.
Earlier you seemed to be disputing that the Syrian boy was a victim. It is now 100% clear that the attack was not retaliatory and the boy had been subject to numerous attacks before.
'He lists reoccurring bullying, verbal, physical and psychological abuse from a group of pupils. His arm was broken and he went to HRI. He lists a number of incidents and names a number of people. About five or six incidents - throwing water at him, swearing, throwing an egg at him, setting his hair on fire."
TR admits he was "had" about the non-existent Muslim gangs he was so quick to believe, yet knowing they were false has he actually come out and condemned the actions of the bully or offered support for the victim?
Now correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to still be giving the notion of credibility to the refugee being an ISIS supporter because he is holding a finger up in a photo.
Why? TR deleted that claim as well but you believe it?
I questioned what the possible reasons could be for the same finger pose in different poses ..hhy , couldn't give me a reason , and I'm still waiting to hear one from you . That's worlds apart from " giving a notion of credibility " .
Where did I say I believe it ?
Once again you run true to form , and make things up .
TRUE.
Happy to question the judgement of people who donate to the convicted fraudster without question. Happy to question bigoted views being expressed anywhere by anyone.
2. automatically swallows whatever social media content that claims to discredit him , just because it supports the argument
UNTRUE
Did I say the video by the man in the photo was speaking the truth? I think I explicitly said that people can watch it and make their own minds up who to believe.
Surely if TR or any one else is going to throw out defamatory remarks about someone being a member of ISIS, they are the ones who should need a burden of proof? TR has deleted to post in which he made the ISIS comment after receiving a letter from a Solicitor. I think that speaks for itself.
I think my English grammar is up to scratch thank you.
I said you are "giving a notion of credibility" to the ISIS claim. TR has withdrawn it.
You are still awaiting more information before deciding.
Incidentally despite your incessant goading I am not going to resort to name calling.
"obviously you are a little tapped"
"Only shock of the post , is that you've actually reproduced"
"Some real geniuses on here , its like a forum episode of the walking dead."
Especially as how you like to point out about TR's past .
Neither do I know the Solicitor who wrote to TR, Tasnime Akunjee.
I assume you are referring to this....
https://www.legalfutures.co.uk/latest-news/solicitor-fined-by-sra-for-over-claiming-from-legal-aid-fund
I would defer to @Essexphil as to the seriousness of that matter and the relevance to his firms credibility/ability to sue for defamation.
If you dig a bit deeper, you might find out a bit more.
As for the seriousness of the said matter it is fraud.
https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/billy-charlton-trial-sunderland-protester-who-spoke-alongside-tommy-robinson-accused-of-stirring-up-racial-hatred-jury-told-1-9476378