As one of the people who can't truly justify the costs without the sats for cash approach, even if I win two seats, I will struggle to pay for the trip...I know I'm not alone- the PM's are a little more vociferous that the public posts
I'm not a (very good) poker player who can 'hope' my skills can get me to cash in these tournaments; for me its about the experience of playing live and as important the people Ive met so far....
So back to the 'comms error'- well done Sky, its the sign of a mature, professional organisation that realises they've got it wrong for its customers and have gone 'some way' to compromising and amending their original position- congrats for that.
Also my strategy to try to win 4 seats is back on the agenda because it will save me money if i don't need to try to qualify for the NEXT SPT!! ( so beware SidV79!!0
Good luck to all who play from now on!!
ps Phantom..only 9 in last nights semi?-some of the main protagonists didn't buy in- so I also missed that chance to play in a good value semi with odds of 3/7 when I looked in for the 3 seats available....Ithink there will possibly be a number of sats cancelling as the volume of regs might not be there for semis to take place each nigh
No I am not David Cameron, sorry but the reference whooshed me completely.
I have never been to an SPT but I have promised myself I would try and get to one for exactly the same reasons you state and I have 0 expectation of it being +EV for me cash wise to play, but totally +EV for life experience.
I have had to wait (a long time but that's another story) until I can both afford to try and qualify and have the time to commit to the satellites and a weekend away.
I have set myself a budget of x10 QF buyins to try and if I qualify then I'll look at a reasonable travel budget.
Your earlier comment seemed to imply that sats for cash was the only means to fund travel and accommodation? I didn't really get that?
Yes I noticed there was a lot of overlay in last nights semi, but even with the added value I couldn't justify a £48 buy in. I will be trying to sat in from QFs as stated.
I really hope that now the clarification has been made that there will be enough of a player pool to keep the sats running and not bust the overlay budget,
I agree with "good luck to all who play from now on" and I hope to see you in Glasgow in October.
Guys, I'm going to be offline from around 6.15pm this evening until quite late, maybe after midnight, depending how long I last in 2 MTT's. (Feel free to volley that one in).
Guys, I'm going to be offline from around 6.15pm this evening until quite late, maybe after midnight, depending how long I last in 2 MTT's. (Feel free to volley that one in).
So I'll not be able to reply to questions in that period, but I will reply afterwards, or first thing tomorrow, to all (sensible) questions.
Final thought...Just realised this might save me a fortune! If I only win 1 seat( I'd still be happy about that)...fly Saturday morning instead of Thursday, 2 nights accommodation, beer,food etc etc
I think Sky should also have consulted Scottish parliament regarding the impact on their national economy? Imagine if Matt Bates/Chicknmelt/CPFC/EssexPhil and many more didn't come up on Thursday before...the loss of alcohol sales would be catastrophic!
The 50p minimum per unit of alchohol (from 1st May) will redress the balance. They may need to win more sats 4 cash just to buy a round each
surely this thread should of been in the sky poker tour thread, not the poker chat thread its like it was hoped to be over looked by some
Oh my Lord.......
When folks think & write stuff like that, it blows me away.
Umm, no, I don't try to hide anything. If I wanted to hide it, I would not have even posted it on the Forum. I posted it in Poker Chat so as to ensure everyone sees it.
Whatever makes you think I'd do something like that? Sheesh.
TK I owe you a apology for the above post In my head it sounded okay so wrote.. my intention was not to call your integrity in dispute or come across as a conspiracy as I no your always on the side of us players .. I think I just wanted to get across that this was about the SPT and there is a SPT thread ..I have been told by players that poker chat is the most read so it was the best place for all to see so once again sorry
I do think some clarity is required as there does appear to be ambiguity.
I can't make Glasgow for example, but can I still play the GLASGOW SPT sats for future SPT entry?
I agree with the principle of putting something in place so that the "spirit" of the satellites is for SPT entry rather than cash, but it does not appear to have been very well thought out if I am honest, but appreciate what Sky is trying to achieve.
Gonna answer that and say no.
Players have gotta play ball here as well and not go for the angles. These sats are for Glasgow so play if you're going. The argument before was what was gonna happen with the money for seats won with good faith within the promo rules and that's been settled.
Players need to not try to angle the site and the site need to not try to angle the players imo. It's a partnership, common sense is your radar.
Best reply on the whole thread, & not even close.
It's a 2 way thing, if both parties play it straight & nobody tries to game the system, there will never be a problem.
Looking forward to trying to get there never played live but am buzzing about it the wife is fed up with me going on about it already god help her if i make it
Be great to see you there Cheezy. Ignore all the negativity on this thread, the atmo & craic at every SPT is always first class & I know you would love it. There are a few serious heads of course, which is fine, but the vast majority attend SPT's for the craic, bants, & general fun. And that's the whole idea.
If someone gets 4 seats for SPT Glasgow and then gets another seat via a Rewards freeroll what happens then?
Oh yeah, I abso love all these hypothetical "what if's?"......
I'm afraid I've no idea what would happen if a player won 4 seats to SPT Glasgow, & then also won a 5th via a Freeroll.
The chances of that happening, considering the type of player who plays a) big buck satellites & b) Freerolls, is about a zillion to one.
However, if it were to happen, I'm 100% certain that Sky Poker would do what Sky Poker ALWAYS do - & that is treat the player fairly, & err on the side of generosity & being completely fair to the player.
I have to say - & this is not directed at you - the level of distrust evidenced on the thread by so many players who know exactly how fair Sky Poker have always been astonished me.
I wonder at what stage players start to trust Sky Poker, given they have never diddled anyone in their 11 year history?
PS - be great if you could make Glasgow, & I know you'd have a ball.
Guys, I'm not going to make direct replies to all these hypothetical "what if?" questions, there are so many of them, including a whole bunch of extraordinary "what if" scenarios that were sent to me by PM from various players.
The simple answer to everything is that in every case, Sky Poker will treat you fairly. It really surprised me that many thought otherwise, but that's just my personal view, & I suppose elderly folks like me have different yardsticks in life.
If a specific situation arises that is not covered by the T & C's, or is ambiguous, Sky Poker will do right by the players, as they have always done.
At the moment, the scenario ONLY applies to SPT Glasgow. If you do not plan to play Glasgow then please don't try & qualify for a future SPT by winning a Glasgow seat & then asking to carry it forward. If - without gaming the system - someone ends up with a redundant seat, I'm pretty sure Sky Poker will handle it sensibly & fairly.
And to save you clicking - though I'm sure you will - it now states;
4. Any seat won through satellites not used during the SPT Glasgow may be used at a future SPT event of the same value. (2019 schedule tbd)</blockquo Just read the last few pages...had my hopes up to play and save the seat as i am on holiday during Glasgow and wont make it, then the follow up ..G L to all that do make the trip.
I won a Tix for day 1a, promptly booked advance train tickets and then saw this thread today. Lucky im writing before the 9pm watershed as paid again to go Saturday instead.
The forfeiting of tix where a player chooses not to have another go whilst he has chips is simply illegal.
Im surprised there are no packages available, particularly as there is no cash for sats for expenses. Glasgow is a great venue with 2 budget hotels next door. Advance group booking would have been very cost efficient. At some point an spt date will clash with something major happening in a city and the cost of hotels will be exorbitant as happened to me last time i played in Glasgow. I was very fortunate that the poker site covered the hotel otherwise i would not have been able to go.
Please make sure there are enough casino dealers available. They use customers who play and deal.
And finally, i hope someone checks those cards.....
Hotels next door are travelodge and ibis, paisley road.
Pool tables and darts board available if anyone gets knocked out early or someone fancies doing a comp. Killer anyone.
Could I pay £330 plus an unused Glasgow seat to enter the Grand Final in Manchester, for instance?
If I had 3 SPT Glasgow leftover seats, could I buy in to the Grand Final with those and have £110 refunded?
This seems like a pretty sensible question to me. Not sure if it was just overlooked or if it was classed as a far-fetched hypothetical. This question is grounded firmly in reality.
Given the fact that a few people will likely end up with multiple tickets, and there's a decent chance some of these people will get through on one bullet, it would be nice to have this cleared up. The t+c's seem to point to no; when they say that it has to be used for an SPT of the same value (of which there are currently no plans for). However, we've seen that the t+c's are open to change for the better.
Assuming that people are playing these in good faith, and use at least one bullet in Glasgow, then excluding people from carrying seats forward to the one SPT date that we are sure of doesn't seem very pragmatic.
Could I pay £330 plus an unused Glasgow seat to enter the Grand Final in Manchester, for instance?
If I had 3 SPT Glasgow leftover seats, could I buy in to the Grand Final with those and have £110 refunded?
This seems like a pretty sensible question to me. Not sure if it was just overlooked or if it was classed as a far-fetched hypothetical. This question is grounded firmly in reality.
Given the fact that a few people will likely end up with multiple tickets, and there's a decent chance some of these people will get through on one bullet, it would be nice to have this cleared up. The t+c's seem to point to no; when they say that it has to be used for an SPT of the same value (of which there are currently no plans for). However, we've seen that the t+c's are open to change for the better.
Assuming that people are playing these in good faith, and use at least one bullet in Glasgow, then excluding people from carrying seats forward to the one SPT date that we are sure of doesn't seem very pragmatic.
Morning, & yes, that's fair comment.
I guess I swerved it because a) I never knew the answer, & b) because I was getting a bit tired of so many hypothetical questions.
It was all very interesting actually. Sky Poker changed the 1A/1B system to make it easier & more convenient for everyone - them, and the players - but along the way they made a mistake, which they apologised for & corrected within an hour or so. Not soon enough though, a handful of players instantly gave it "I'll never play an SPT again" line. I bet they will.....
Woe betide an online poker site that makes a mistake, because it seemed to me that Sky Poker, who have an unblemished record of being fair with everyone, were suddenly being described as thieves, & even long-standing regular players instantly assumed Sky Poker were trying to steal something or gain an edge. An accusation which has more than a touch of irony coming from poker players.....
It was also fascinatingly enjoyable in some ways, nothing is more amusing to me that the faux-outrage from poker players when something goes wrong, they are in like a shot & there are whole herds of high horses on display.
A month or so ago, 'Stars had problems 3 nights running, & the threads on 2+2 were like "OMG OMG OMG, 'Stars are a complete pile of poo". This, from some who could barely spell & ended half their sentences with the inane "!!!" or "???" was in itself amusing. Eventually, 'Stars made everyone aware that it had been a series of DDOS attacks, & we can hardly blame them for that, & yet not one player apologised. "The customer is always right"? Well we have to say that, yes. But they are not.
Anyway, sorry for that waffly rant, but I allow myself that luxury on a Saturday morning.
So, I'll find out the answer to the original question by The Evil One & get back to you, but it won't be until Monday now, as my man in the office is off all weekend.
Could I pay £330 plus an unused Glasgow seat to enter the Grand Final in Manchester, for instance?
If I had 3 SPT Glasgow leftover seats, could I buy in to the Grand Final with those and have £110 refunded?
This seems like a pretty sensible question to me. Not sure if it was just overlooked or if it was classed as a far-fetched hypothetical. This question is grounded firmly in reality.
Given the fact that a few people will likely end up with multiple tickets, and there's a decent chance some of these people will get through on one bullet, it would be nice to have this cleared up. The t+c's seem to point to no; when they say that it has to be used for an SPT of the same value (of which there are currently no plans for). However, we've seen that the t+c's are open to change for the better.
Assuming that people are playing these in good faith, and use at least one bullet in Glasgow, then excluding people from carrying seats forward to the one SPT date that we are sure of doesn't seem very pragmatic.
Morning, & yes, that's fair comment.
I guess I swerved it because a) I never knew the answer, & b) because I was getting a bit tired of so many hypothetical questions.
It was all very interesting actually. Sky Poker changed the 1A/1B system to make it easier & more convenient for everyone - them, and the players - but along the way they made a mistake, which they apologised for & corrected within an hour or so. Not soon enough though, a handful of players instantly gave it "I'll never play an SPT again" line. I bet they will.....
Woe betide an online poker site that makes a mistake, because it seemed to me that Sky Poker, who have an unblemished record of being fair with everyone, were suddenly being described as thieves, & even long-standing regular players instantly assumed Sky Poker were trying to steal something or gain an edge. An accusation which has more than a touch of irony coming from poker players.....
It was also fascinatingly enjoyable in some ways, nothing is more amusing to me that the faux-outrage from poker players when something goes wrong, they are in like a shot & there are whole herds of high horses on display.
A month or so ago, 'Stars had problems 3 nights running, & the threads on 2+2 were like "OMG OMG OMG, 'Stars are a complete pile of poo". This, from some who could barely spell & ended half their sentences with the inane "!!!" or "???" was in itself amusing. Eventually, 'Stars made everyone aware that it had been a series of DDOS attacks, & we can hardly blame them for that, & yet not one player apologised. "The customer is always right"? Well we have to say that, yes. But they are not.
Anyway, sorry for that waffly rant, but I allow myself that luxury on a Saturday morning.
So, I'll find out the answer to the original question by The Evil One & get back to you, but it won't be until Monday now, as my man in the office is off all weekend.
Have a great weekend.
Morning Tikay.
How long does it take to post out a games console?
Asking for a friend
Hope Glasgae is a success, only 5 more weeks of questions to field before SUAD. Not heading north of the border but might make an appearance in Manchester, home of the Centurions, for the grand final.
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Could I pay £330 plus an unused Glasgow seat to enter the Grand Final in Manchester, for instance?
If I had 3 SPT Glasgow leftover seats, could I buy in to the Grand Final with those and have £110 refunded?
I have never been to an SPT but I have promised myself I would try and get to one for exactly the same reasons you state and I have 0 expectation of it being +EV for me cash wise to play, but totally +EV for life experience.
I have had to wait (a long time but that's another story) until I can both afford to try and qualify and have the time to commit to the satellites and a weekend away.
I have set myself a budget of x10 QF buyins to try and if I qualify then I'll look at a reasonable travel budget.
Your earlier comment seemed to imply that sats for cash was the only means to fund travel and accommodation? I didn't really get that?
Yes I noticed there was a lot of overlay in last nights semi, but even with the added value I couldn't justify a £48 buy in. I will be trying to sat in from QFs as stated.
I really hope that now the clarification has been made that there will be enough of a player pool to keep the sats running and not bust the overlay budget,
I agree with "good luck to all who play from now on" and I hope to see you in Glasgow in October.
If someone gets 4 seats for SPT Glasgow and then gets another seat via a Rewards freeroll what happens then?
Hey Phantom-same , which is why the cash equivalent for seats was a motivator to join and play
Re; clarifications, I'm sure he doesnt!
Hope we both get there and Ill buy you a bitter or a guinness !!
They may need to win more sats 4 cash just to buy a round each
Morning all.
Good to see that some sense of humour & good vibes have returned to the thread.
I'll try & work through the replies shortly.
Morning @HANSON
Very kind of you to apologise, but no need mate, we are cool.
One thing I often forget is that many of us - certainly me - set up the Forum a different way, & it's something you might consider.
Try this;
Go to the blue band just above the white background area of the Forum, & you will see a tab called "Discussions".
Click that.
You will then see the Forum showing all the latest posts at the very top, irrespective of what "Board" they are in.
That makes it much easier to a) view all the latest posts easily & b) it ignores what Board they are in.
So the net result is you see the current threads & posts much faster & more easily.
Hence, for important stuff - such as this thread - it means that it gets bumped to the top & everyone can see it straight away.
You are right, of course, it belonged in the SPT Board, but I was keen that everyone saw it straight away.
On such little misunderstandings are the seeds of conflict sown.
Anyway, you & me is 100% cool. No kissing though, OK?
It's a 2 way thing, if both parties play it straight & nobody tries to game the system, there will never be a problem.
GL in trying to qualify, mate.
I'm afraid I've no idea what would happen if a player won 4 seats to SPT Glasgow, & then also won a 5th via a Freeroll.
The chances of that happening, considering the type of player who plays a) big buck satellites & b) Freerolls, is about a zillion to one.
However, if it were to happen, I'm 100% certain that Sky Poker would do what Sky Poker ALWAYS do - & that is treat the player fairly, & err on the side of generosity & being completely fair to the player.
I have to say - & this is not directed at you - the level of distrust evidenced on the thread by so many players who know exactly how fair Sky Poker have always been astonished me.
I wonder at what stage players start to trust Sky Poker, given they have never diddled anyone in their 11 year history?
PS - be great if you could make Glasgow, & I know you'd have a ball.
Guys, I'm not going to make direct replies to all these hypothetical "what if?" questions, there are so many of them, including a whole bunch of extraordinary "what if" scenarios that were sent to me by PM from various players.
The simple answer to everything is that in every case, Sky Poker will treat you fairly. It really surprised me that many thought otherwise, but that's just my personal view, & I suppose elderly folks like me have different yardsticks in life.
If a specific situation arises that is not covered by the T & C's, or is ambiguous, Sky Poker will do right by the players, as they have always done.
At the moment, the scenario ONLY applies to SPT Glasgow. If you do not plan to play Glasgow then please don't try & qualify for a future SPT by winning a Glasgow seat & then asking to carry it forward. If - without gaming the system - someone ends up with a redundant seat, I'm pretty sure Sky Poker will handle it sensibly & fairly.
then after i book my train it takes me the wrong way and i find myself in landsend.
will sky move the venue ?. if not what happens to the buy in. will this go towards the sky what if fund in case of any more what ifs..
keep up the good work tikay and do not let it get to you.... also how did you do in your games?
I guess "no good" sums it up, but I shall try again tonight, full of hope, optimism & blind faith.
The forfeiting of tix where a player chooses not to have another go whilst he has chips is simply illegal.
Im surprised there are no packages available, particularly as there is no cash for sats for expenses. Glasgow is a great venue with 2 budget hotels next door. Advance group booking would have been very cost efficient. At some point an spt date will clash with something major happening in a city and the cost of hotels will be exorbitant as happened to me last time i played in Glasgow. I was very fortunate that the poker site covered the hotel otherwise i would not have been able to go.
Please make sure there are enough casino dealers available. They use customers who play and deal.
And finally, i hope someone checks those cards.....
Hotels next door are travelodge and ibis, paisley road.
Pool tables and darts board available if anyone gets knocked out early or someone fancies doing a comp. Killer anyone.
Given the fact that a few people will likely end up with multiple tickets, and there's a decent chance some of these people will get through on one bullet, it would be nice to have this cleared up. The t+c's seem to point to no; when they say that it has to be used for an SPT of the same value (of which there are currently no plans for). However, we've seen that the t+c's are open to change for the better.
Assuming that people are playing these in good faith, and use at least one bullet in Glasgow, then excluding people from carrying seats forward to the one SPT date that we are sure of doesn't seem very pragmatic.
I guess I swerved it because a) I never knew the answer, & b) because I was getting a bit tired of so many hypothetical questions.
It was all very interesting actually. Sky Poker changed the 1A/1B system to make it easier & more convenient for everyone - them, and the players - but along the way they made a mistake, which they apologised for & corrected within an hour or so. Not soon enough though, a handful of players instantly gave it "I'll never play an SPT again" line. I bet they will.....
Woe betide an online poker site that makes a mistake, because it seemed to me that Sky Poker, who have an unblemished record of being fair with everyone, were suddenly being described as thieves, & even long-standing regular players instantly assumed Sky Poker were trying to steal something or gain an edge. An accusation which has more than a touch of irony coming from poker players.....
It was also fascinatingly enjoyable in some ways, nothing is more amusing to me that the faux-outrage from poker players when something goes wrong, they are in like a shot & there are whole herds of high horses on display.
A month or so ago, 'Stars had problems 3 nights running, & the threads on 2+2 were like "OMG OMG OMG, 'Stars are a complete pile of poo". This, from some who could barely spell & ended half their sentences with the inane "!!!" or "???" was in itself amusing. Eventually, 'Stars made everyone aware that it had been a series of DDOS attacks, & we can hardly blame them for that, & yet not one player apologised. "The customer is always right"? Well we have to say that, yes. But they are not.
Anyway, sorry for that waffly rant, but I allow myself that luxury on a Saturday morning.
So, I'll find out the answer to the original question by The Evil One & get back to you, but it won't be until Monday now, as my man in the office is off all weekend.
Have a great weekend.
How long does it take to post out a games console?
Asking for a friend
Hope Glasgae is a success, only 5 more weeks of questions to field before SUAD. Not heading north of the border but might make an appearance in Manchester, home of the Centurions, for the grand final.