Interesting hand analysis. I don't really have any counter-argument to that, seems logical. Excellent explanation IMO. Although, I am not clear where you get "is 7bb effective with you" from. Is this just a mis-calculation/typo? At the flop he has 3BB's behind, I have 15. Either way, your point still stands.
He means the opponent has an effective stack of approx 7bb
How're you calculating that? I'm looking at the stack sizes and can't work that out.
Interesting hand analysis. I don't really have any counter-argument to that, seems logical. Excellent explanation IMO. Although, I am not clear where you get "is 7bb effective with you" from. Is this just a mis-calculation/typo? At the flop he has 3BB's behind, I have 15. Either way, your point still stands.
He means the opponent has an effective stack of approx 7bb
How're you calculating that? I'm looking at the stack sizes and can't work that out.
I'm probably being thick here. Sorry.
Looks like smasher started the hand with 56K at 4k/8k
''effective stack'' is the smaller of the stack (ie 7bb in this case) It doesn't matter if you have 30bb the ''effective stack'' is your opponents (if it smaller) not yours
''effective stack'' is the smaller of the stack (ie 7bb in this case) It doesn't matter if you have 30bb the ''effective stack'' is your opponents (if it smaller) not yours
sm4sher777 has 56140 chips as the hand starts, and the BB is 12000. By my calculations (56140 / 12000) he has 4.7BB's. Where does 7BB come from?
Just to make sure I understand this concept, my effective stack would be my stack size (203435) MINUS his stack size (56140) divided by the BB (12000). Correct? That would mean my effective stack size is 12.3BB's.
I just busted out of the mini, and while I didn't cash (apart from one bounty) I feel like that was my best performance to date.
I was able to utilise a lot of varied strategies more frequently and effectively e.g. check-raising, double-barrell bluffs etc. and my thought processes such as range assessing just seemed clearer than ever before.
I'm so in love with this game right now
Q1 2020: Online: Buy-Ins: £566.74 / loss of £58.92 from 83 MTT's / 7 FT's / 4 Wins Live: Buy-Ins: £380.00 / loss of £280.00 from 7 MTT's / 0 FT's / 0 Wins
Q2 2020: Online: Buy-Ins: £1304.03 / profit of £222.26 from 188 MTT's / 19 FT's / 4 Wins
1) Is it acceptable/advisable/good play to tighten your range purely because you think another player is better than you. I certainly loosen my range against players I think are poor.
2) Over the last year I have been seeing an increased amount of min bets/2BB bets down the streets. In my opinion these are often blocker bets OOP (to prevent opponent raising IP), or bets on an unmade hand i.e. a draw. Is that a fair assessment?
''effective stack'' is the smaller of the stack (ie 7bb in this case) It doesn't matter if you have 30bb the ''effective stack'' is your opponents (if it smaller) not yours
sm4sher777 has 56140 chips as the hand starts, and the BB is 12000. By my calculations (56140 / 12000) he has 4.7BB's. Where does 7BB come from?
Just to make sure I understand this concept, my effective stack would be my stack size (203435) MINUS his stack size (56140) divided by the BB (12000). Correct? That would mean my effective stack size is 12.3BB's.
The bb is 8k not 12k.
Effective stack is the smaller stack, eg what we are playing for.
Effective stack is the smaller stack, eg what we are playing for.
Yep, so the big problem here is that I can't read. Thanks Matt.
We were on the same table for over an hour in the mini just now. Any feedback on my play given my comments above?
Totally understand if you don't want to say anything and keep your notes private, and perhaps a little cheeky of me to ask, but I do value your opinion.
It’s not just that you can’t read, you were subtracting his stack from yours for some reason. It’s simply the smallest stack is the effective stack, since that is all you can win.
It’s not just that you can’t read, you were subtracting his stack from yours for some reason. It’s simply the smallest stack is the effective stack, since that is all you can win.
Yeah, I meant I can't read the value of the BB, so I had no chance of getting it right.
As for the subtracting, I don't know, I've confused myself with another concept I think. Matt and yourself have cleared it up though - cheers.
I just busted out of the mini, and while I didn't cash (apart from one bounty) I feel like that was my best performance to date.
I was able to utilise a lot of varied strategies more frequently and effectively e.g. check-raising, double-barrell bluffs etc. and my thought processes such as range assessing just seemed clearer than ever before.
I'm so in love with this game right now
Q1 2020: Online: Buy-Ins: £566.74 / loss of £58.92 from 83 MTT's / 7 FT's / 4 Wins Live: Buy-Ins: £380.00 / loss of £280.00 from 7 MTT's / 0 FT's / 0 Wins
Q2 2020: Online: Buy-Ins: £1304.03 / profit of £222.26 from 188 MTT's / 19 FT's / 4 Wins
1) Is it acceptable/advisable/good play to tighten your range purely because you think another player is better than you. I certainly loosen my range against players I think are poor.
2) Over the last year I have been seeing an increased amount of min bets/2BB bets down the streets. In my opinion these are often blocker bets OOP (to prevent opponent raising IP), or bets on an unmade hand i.e. a draw. Is that a fair assessment?
1. You need to play hands but given the choice surely you want to play as many hands as possible against weaker players.
In what kind of spots peter? In single raised pots as the preflop aggressor or caller? In 3 bet pots as the 3 bettor or caller? In heads up pots? In multiway pots? In position? Out of position? Opening from early position vs blind defence? Opening early position vs CO/BU caller? Opening late position vs blind defence? Defending from the blinds vs EP open? Defending the blinds vs LP open? Calling in middle position vs EP? Calling in LP vs MP? All of these spots are also impacted by stack depths...
In what kind of spots peter? In single raised pots as the preflop aggressor or caller? In 3 bet pots as the 3 bettor or caller? In heads up pots? In multiway pots? In position? Out of position? Opening from early position vs blind defence? Opening early position vs CO/BU caller? Opening late position vs blind defence? Defending from the blinds vs EP open? Defending the blinds vs LP open? Calling in middle position vs EP? Calling in LP vs MP? All of these spots are also impacted by stack depths...
It's a minefield
I'd like to go for option C please, all of the above.
Since coming back from my extended break, I've already mentioned that I seem to have taken a step forward with my play. I have gone from being a losing player, to being a break even player. Numerous times in the past I have shared my frustration about never really knowing my skill level because playing one tournament per day gives you such a small sample size.
That small sample size is still present, but I now know I am starting to push into the "better than average" category. There's been a complete mindset change from "I hope I can cash in this tournament" to "I should be able to cash, but how do I get to FT". Confidence is flowing, and cashes - albeit small ones - are frequent.
That being said, I do realise there is much work ahead. As demonstrated in tonight's mini when I was sitting pretty in the mid-stages as the tournament chip leader with over 100BB's, but busted out 40 places before the money. I have always been poor with a large stack, but even by my standards that's an absolute car crash!
As demonstrated in tonight's mini when I was sitting pretty in the mid-stages as the tournament chip leader with over 100BB's, but busted out 40 places before the money. I have always been poor with a large stack, but even by my standards that's an absolute car crash!
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Maybe post a cpl of hands with the big pots you lost . You may have just been unlucky.
Its definately hard to get sample sizes playing 1 tourny a night but it gives you more chance to go over your own play and scrutinize you hands. As long as your improving - Thats the main thing
Maybe post a cpl of hands with the big pots you lost . You may have just been unlucky.
Its definately hard to get sample sizes playing 1 tourny a night but it gives you more chance to go over your own play and scrutinize you hands. As long as your improving - Thats the main thing
GL
P
Yep, exactly. It's my intention to not play tonight, and spend the time assessing yesterday's abomination instead. I will be posting hands later.
As demonstrated in tonight's mini when I was sitting pretty in the mid-stages as the tournament chip leader with over 100BB's, but busted out 40 places before the money. I have always been poor with a large stack, but even by my standards that's an absolute car crash!
So when I got to 100BB's and became tournament chip leader, it was only 36 hands until I busted out. I didn't realise it happened so fast at the time.
Over those 36 hands I lost two major hands (one for 24 BB's, one for 20 BB's - both below).
Big hand #1: I think I played this fine until the shove. Convinced myself he didn't have the 9 or AQ because he limped pre. Also ruled out him having trips because he re-raised the flop which most players wouldn't do. Actually wanted the call thinking he had a flush draw. Can obviously see that shoving so many BB's here is stupidity.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
TKDROB
Small blind
600.00
600.00
43835.00
overton946
Big blind
1200.00
1800.00
22470.00
Your hole cards
Q
K
bigballoo
Call
1200.00
3000.00
28120.00
peter27
Raise
4800.00
7800.00
93760.00
Theghost92
Fold
Richrash93
Fold
TKDROB
Fold
overton946
Fold
bigballoo
Call
3600.00
11400.00
24520.00
Flop
Q
9
9
bigballoo
Check
peter27
Bet
2222.22
13622.22
91537.78
bigballoo
Raise
4444.44
18066.66
20075.56
peter27
Call
2222.22
20288.88
89315.56
Turn
3
bigballoo
Bet
4800.00
25088.88
15275.56
peter27
All-in
89315.56
114404.44
0.00
bigballoo
All-in
15275.56
129680.00
0.00
peter27
Unmatched bet
69240.00
60440.00
69240.00
bigballoo
Show
9
A
peter27
Show
Q
K
River
A
bigballoo
Win
Full House, 9s and Aces
60440.00
60440.00
Big hand #2: I believe I played this one fine until I called the shove. At the time I thought he probably has the flush or AQ, but by this point frustration played a role in my decision having already lost so many chips. Note: the A4Q on flop & turn were spades. Not sure why suits not showing.
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
TKDROB
Small blind
1000.00
1000.00
70567.50
overton946
Big blind
2000.00
3000.00
43340.00
Your hole cards
A
K
bigballoo
Fold
peter27
Raise
4000.00
7000.00
35840.00
Theghost92
Fold
123mason
Call
4000.00
11000.00
84661.25
TKDROB
Call
3000.00
14000.00
67567.50
overton946
Call
2000.00
16000.00
41340.00
Flop
4
10
A
TKDROB
Check
overton946
Check
peter27
Bet
5555.00
21555.00
30285.00
123mason
Fold
TKDROB
Call
5555.00
27110.00
62012.50
overton946
Fold
Turn
Q
TKDROB
Check
peter27
Bet
12000.00
39110.00
18285.00
TKDROB
All-in
62012.50
101122.50
0.00
peter27
All-in
18285.00
119407.50
0.00
TKDROB
Unmatched bet
31727.50
87680.00
31727.50
TKDROB
Show
9
J
peter27
Show
A
K
River
4
TKDROB
Win
Flush to the Ace
87680.00
119407.50
Outside of those hands, my VPIP was actually very low but I kept losing money from the blinds every orbit when not hitting flops. There's another hand where I lost 7BB's, but the play is so atricious that it would be offensive to post it here.
On reviewing these hands, I think the pressure of being chip leader and trying to hang onto that position caused me to just make some very poor decisions. I believe the lesson is that I need to keep focussed on the number of BB's I have rather than trying to be chip leader all the time. Anything above 20BB's is playable and should not be tilting me. It is challenging when you see yourself losing 1.5BB's per orbit, four times, with no pot wins.
Comments
I'm probably being thick here. Sorry.
It doesn't matter if you have 30bb the ''effective stack'' is your opponents (if it smaller)
not yours
Just to make sure I understand this concept, my effective stack would be my stack size (203435) MINUS his stack size (56140) divided by the BB (12000). Correct? That would mean my effective stack size is 12.3BB's.
I was able to utilise a lot of varied strategies more frequently and effectively e.g. check-raising, double-barrell bluffs etc. and my thought processes such as range assessing just seemed clearer than ever before.
I'm so in love with this game right now
Q1 2020:
Online: Buy-Ins: £566.74 / loss of £58.92 from 83 MTT's / 7 FT's / 4 Wins
Live: Buy-Ins: £380.00 / loss of £280.00 from 7 MTT's / 0 FT's / 0 Wins
Q2 2020:
Online: Buy-Ins: £1304.03 / profit of £222.26 from 188 MTT's / 19 FT's / 4 Wins
Tournaments: 80
Buy-Ins: £522.48
Cashes: £560.31
FT's: 5
Wins: 0
Two random questions:
1) Is it acceptable/advisable/good play to tighten your range purely because you think another player is better than you. I certainly loosen my range against players I think are poor.
2) Over the last year I have been seeing an increased amount of min bets/2BB bets down the streets. In my opinion these are often blocker bets OOP (to prevent opponent raising IP), or bets on an unmade hand i.e. a draw. Is that a fair assessment?
Effective stack is the smaller stack, eg what we are playing for.
We were on the same table for over an hour in the mini just now. Any feedback on my play given my comments above?
Totally understand if you don't want to say anything and keep your notes private, and perhaps a little cheeky of me to ask, but I do value your opinion.
As for the subtracting, I don't know, I've confused myself with another concept I think. Matt and yourself have cleared it up though - cheers.
2. I cant say I have noticed bets as you said.
It's a minefield
That small sample size is still present, but I now know I am starting to push into the "better than average" category. There's been a complete mindset change from "I hope I can cash in this tournament" to "I should be able to cash, but how do I get to FT". Confidence is flowing, and cashes - albeit small ones - are frequent.
That being said, I do realise there is much work ahead. As demonstrated in tonight's mini when I was sitting pretty in the mid-stages as the tournament chip leader with over 100BB's, but busted out 40 places before the money. I have always been poor with a large stack, but even by my standards that's an absolute car crash!
As demonstrated in tonight's mini when I was sitting pretty in the mid-stages as the tournament chip leader with over 100BB's, but busted out 40 places before the money. I have always been poor with a large stack, but even by my standards that's an absolute car crash!
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Maybe post a cpl of hands with the big pots you lost . You may have just been unlucky.
Its definately hard to get sample sizes playing 1 tourny a night but it gives you more chance to go over your own play and scrutinize you hands. As long as your improving - Thats the main thing
GL
P
Over those 36 hands I lost two major hands (one for 24 BB's, one for 20 BB's - both below).
Big hand #1:
I think I played this fine until the shove. Convinced myself he didn't have the 9 or AQ because he limped pre. Also ruled out him having trips because he re-raised the flop which most players wouldn't do. Actually wanted the call thinking he had a flush draw. Can obviously see that shoving so many BB's here is stupidity.
I believe I played this one fine until I called the shove. At the time I thought he probably has the flush or AQ, but by this point frustration played a role in my decision having already lost so many chips. Note: the A4Q on flop & turn were spades. Not sure why suits not showing.
On reviewing these hands, I think the pressure of being chip leader and trying to hang onto that position caused me to just make some very poor decisions. I believe the lesson is that I need to keep focussed on the number of BB's I have rather than trying to be chip leader all the time. Anything above 20BB's is playable and should not be tilting me. It is challenging when you see yourself losing 1.5BB's per orbit, four times, with no pot wins.
Why would him limping convince you that he doesn’t have a 9?
It's when you put more than one HH on a post that the suits don't show on the second or further ones.
Good Luck