I keep finding myself in situations like this where I hit the flop in a small way OOP and subsequently leak chips by calling flop and turn. Any suggestions? I think it's a leak in my game. Should I just be giving them up on the turn instead on the basis that most people won't be double-barrell bluffing?
Found out that @Duesenberg has me marked down as the worst of his labels (a recreational player). 100% factually accurate, and I completely agree with that assessment. Doesn't mean it didn't hurt my pride though.
I'm sure in the coming days that will spur me on to study even harder.
I wouldn’t think much of it Peter. Half my labels are out of date/wrong colour from when I initially tagged them and don’t reflect my opponents’ ability that accurately. Too lazy to change them all! When I first started I had Dues tagged as solid.... how f**ked up is that?
Also try not to take offence at the blanket term ‘recreational player’. It simply means someone who plays for fun/as a hobby ie, doesn’t play full time. There are plenty of winning recreational players!
I actually thought that folding may be the right decision here as I had previously noted this player as tight, but equally I felt like there were more hands he's shoving J9, JT, JQ, JK, JA than I'm losing to A7, K7s - so it felt like too good of a spot to fold.
Vs opponent it's a fold however there is a chance they have had a few drinks on a Saturday or have a hot date
I just don't think you see Jx/QQ enough to warrant a call though and give opponent the benefit of the doubt and look for the fold. Knowing and making that fold are two different things, not easy!
Vs opponent it's a fold however there is a chance they have had a few drinks on a Saturday or have a hot date
I just don't think you see Jx/QQ enough to warrant a call though and give opponent the benefit of the doubt and look for the fold. Knowing and making that fold are two different things, not easy!
Interesting, so are you in effect saying that Jx/QQ would just raise the river but not shove? I can't see a hand that strong simply checking in that spot. I think if I was the opponent on the river holding Jx/QQ then it's a rare spot where I would be bet-folding.
I finished 5th in the Mini Major last night for a nice score. In all honesty though, I don't think I played too well in the early/mid stages. I made a lot of errors and was getting very lucky, including a brutal hand against @MISTY4ME where she had a pair of J's on the flop, and the turn & river both came out T's to give me trips.
The positive is that whenever I made a mistake, I realised the mistake I was making. They were all the type of situation where deep down I knew I should fold, but I couldn't bring myself to take that action.
As for the late stages, I really started to open up my range based on recent comments, and it worked for the most part. Although when the tournament was down to seven players - with a total of three on my table - I really struggled and lost a good 33% of my stack over around 10 orbits. But when we got to the FT, I settled back into a nice rhythm.
I'll post the two hands which eliminated me below. Really keen to hear your feedback on these because the late stages are the weakest part of my game by some margin.
Q1 2020: Online: Buy-Ins: £566.74 / loss of £58.92 from 83 MTT's / 7 FT's / 4 Wins Live: Buy-Ins: £380.00 / loss of £280.00 from 7 MTT's / 0 FT's / 0 Wins
Q2 2020: Online: Buy-Ins: £1304.03 / profit of £222.26 from 188 MTT's / 19 FT's / 4 Wins
At the time, I was in the mindset of trying to force myself to be aggressive, which is why I opted to re-raise the UTG open. Now that I look back on it, this feels too aggressive. Right? What if my AT was suited? I guess this highlights my problem, I don't really have a good understanding of my raising/re-raising ranges in the late stages.
Simple c-bet on the flop as it hasn't hit his range massively (only a bit), and then lost confidence in the hand once he called.
3x raise feels pretty standard. Not quite sure about my subsequent call. AJ is supposed to be massive at this stage of a tournament though, right? Although I am not sure if he would shove worse than AJ.
Hi @peter27 ..... really WELL DONE on making the Final Table and Ca$hing nicely. I know I chat a lot, but I'm actually a HE
I follow your diary and progress with interest, as I think we're quite similar, in that we're always looking to improve and understand more about the Game. It was good to share a table again last night, except for the pretty brutal beat obviously ....and good to see you were quite aggressive, and not folding Q-Q's to a min. raise.
When I looked at my exit hand again, if I had been you, I personally wouldn't have been calling my SHOVE in a Freezeout with A-T , it may be different if it was a Bounty Hunter I will post the hand for the better players to advise us both on, @MattBates, @rspca12, @MynaFrett , @FeNdeR36 , and all who kindly contribute to help.
Hi @peter27 ..... really WELL DONE on making the Final Table and Ca$hing nicely. I know I chat a lot, but I'm actually a HE
I follow your diary and progress with interest, as I think we're quite similar, in that we're always looking to improve and understand more about the Game. It was good to share a table again last night, except for the pretty brutal beat obviously ....and good to see you were quite aggressive, and not folding Q-Q's to a min. raise.
When I looked at my exit hand again, if I had been you, I personally wouldn't have been calling my SHOVE in a Freezeout with A-T , it may be different if it was a Bounty Hunter I will post the hand for the better players to advise us both on, @MattBates, @rspca12, @MynaFrett , @FeNdeR36 , and all who kindly contribute to help.
GOOD LUCK at the tables.... Best wishes JEZ
Oh apologies! I assumed she because of your display picture.
When you shoved that many big blinds, I figured it's either A9, an overpair, a flush draw, or air. On balance, I knew I shouldn't be calling. There are way more hand combinations beating me than I am beating. It's actually an easy fold.
But as I mentioned above, knowing to fold and actually following through are two different things.
Good luck, I'm sure you'll get me back when we next meet.
3x raise feels pretty standard. Not quite sure about my subsequent call. AJ is supposed to be massive at this stage of a tournament though, right? Although I am not sure if he would shove worse than AJ.
Really don't like 3x this late on and especially not from this stack depth? How often are you raise folding?
At the time, I was in the mindset of trying to force myself to be aggressive, which is why I opted to re-raise the UTG open. Now that I look back on it, this feels too aggressive. Right? What if my AT was suited? I guess this highlights my problem, I don't really have a good understanding of my raising/re-raising ranges in the late stages.
Simple c-bet on the flop as it hasn't hit his range massively (only a bit), and then lost confidence in the hand once he called.
No idea if 3x is standard but it looks pretty strong utg off that stack
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Here you go Peter;
HERE
It's funny how many people have offered me coaching since I mentioned that I may be interested in finding a tutor
Found out that @Duesenberg has me marked down as the worst of his labels (a recreational player). 100% factually accurate, and I completely agree with that assessment. Doesn't mean it didn't hurt my pride though.
I'm sure in the coming days that will spur me on to study even harder.
But right now, bleugh.
Green is also the most unflattering of my labels, not orange. @destinycod is hoping for a promotion from green tag status any day now.
Also try not to take offence at the blanket term ‘recreational player’. It simply means someone who plays for fun/as a hobby ie, doesn’t play full time. There are plenty of winning recreational players!
You are doing fine Peter.
You seek advice & listen to it, which is the way to go.
Don't forget it's only 3 weeks since you ran 2nd in the Mini.
My advice is not worth much, but I do think you need to try to find a better balance between chip preservation & chip accumulation.
Good luck my friend.
I actually thought that folding may be the right decision here as I had previously noted this player as tight, but equally I felt like there were more hands he's shoving J9, JT, JQ, JK, JA than I'm losing to A7, K7s - so it felt like too good of a spot to fold.
Thoughts?
Vs opponent it's a fold however there is a chance they have had a few drinks on a Saturday or have a hot date
I just don't think you see Jx/QQ enough to warrant a call though and give opponent the benefit of the doubt and look for the fold. Knowing and making that fold are two different things, not easy!
The positive is that whenever I made a mistake, I realised the mistake I was making. They were all the type of situation where deep down I knew I should fold, but I couldn't bring myself to take that action.
As for the late stages, I really started to open up my range based on recent comments, and it worked for the most part. Although when the tournament was down to seven players - with a total of three on my table - I really struggled and lost a good 33% of my stack over around 10 orbits. But when we got to the FT, I settled back into a nice rhythm.
I'll post the two hands which eliminated me below. Really keen to hear your feedback on these because the late stages are the weakest part of my game by some margin.
Q1 2020:
Online: Buy-Ins: £566.74 / loss of £58.92 from 83 MTT's / 7 FT's / 4 Wins
Live: Buy-Ins: £380.00 / loss of £280.00 from 7 MTT's / 0 FT's / 0 Wins
Q2 2020:
Online: Buy-Ins: £1304.03 / profit of £222.26 from 188 MTT's / 19 FT's / 4 Wins
Q3 2020:
Tournaments: 159
Buy-Ins: £1112.68
Cashes: £1326.98
FT's: 14
Wins: 1
Simple c-bet on the flop as it hasn't hit his range massively (only a bit), and then lost confidence in the hand once he called.
I follow your diary and progress with interest, as I think we're quite similar, in that we're always looking to improve and understand more about the Game. It was good to share a table again last night, except for the pretty brutal beat obviously
....and good to see you were quite aggressive, and not folding Q-Q's to a min. raise.
When I looked at my exit hand again, if I had been you, I personally wouldn't have been calling my SHOVE in a Freezeout with A-T , it may be different if it was a Bounty Hunter
I will post the hand for the better players to advise us both on, @MattBates, @rspca12, @MynaFrett , @FeNdeR36 , and all who kindly contribute to help.
GOOD LUCK at the tables....
Best wishes
JEZ
When you shoved that many big blinds, I figured it's either A9, an overpair, a flush draw, or air. On balance, I knew I shouldn't be calling. There are way more hand combinations beating me than I am beating. It's actually an easy fold.
But as I mentioned above, knowing to fold and actually following through are two different things.
Good luck, I'm sure you'll get me back when we next meet.
Like you i,m struggling with late stages so won,t comment to much on the hands as it could well be wrong info.
Think the 3 bet in first hand is too small though. I,d either jam or call. Depends on reads on Tony.
Last hand i,d have just Min raise called or jammed. Think 3x is too much at those stack depths