Good work so far goldon....keep the goblins at bay.
Further confirmation that you rarely have anything constructive to say.
Your most considered, and well thought out posts, seem to be those that just give details of Brexit Party Rallies
Quite right , absolutely nothing constructive to say to you whatsoever . Now you realise that you will have no further need to quote or address me or run the risk of being accused of simply trolling .
Good work so far goldon....keep the goblins at bay.
Further confirmation that you rarely have anything constructive to say.
Your most considered, and well thought out posts, seem to be those that just give details of Brexit Party Rallies
Quite right , absolutely nothing constructive to say to you whatsoever . Now you realise that you will have no further need to quote or address me or run the risk of being accused of simply trolling .
Hi Don. I don’t think the thread Haysie started is for Remain voters, the forum ( as Haysie stated) is for people to express their views one way or the other, to say this thread is for Brexit voters alone is doing the forum a disservice, and hindering debate.
I respect your opinion on this matter, and as a person who likes a debate, I ask questions of others ( and myself) to gain understanding. Have a pleasant evening.
Hi Tom, I'm only the key holder for two more days don't think my puppy would be happy if I killed her Thread off.
Interesting that you use the word ( alone )
Are you telling me Haysie is not for Remain or Brexit but Neutral ....... his Thread is Pro Remain he shoots down any attempt to justify Brexit in the same way the Bullies do if they don't like what you say on other Threads. OP, Thread is Pro Brexit putting that case anyone can post whatever their views so where's the problem. I was ignored on his Thread, so post on this one. I'm getting on in years so whatever happens in the future will not matter to me, but will my son's and their children, so hope the British Public make the right decision at the poll's. Democracy is lost with the present Government. Nigel must be doing something right if he can ditch Ukip with it's Trojan Horses and start new Party "Brexit" and get that amount of support straight away. Time is the Leveler so vote for you're hero I will vote for Democracy. fwiw
Good work so far goldon....keep the goblins at bay.
Further confirmation that you rarely have anything constructive to say.
Your most considered, and well thought out posts, seem to be those that just give details of Brexit Party Rallies
Quite right , absolutely nothing constructive to say to you whatsoever . Now you realise that you will have no further need to quote or address me or run the risk of being accused of simply trolling .
Good work so far goldon....keep the goblins at bay.
Further confirmation that you rarely have anything constructive to say.
Your most considered, and well thought out posts, seem to be those that just give details of Brexit Party Rallies
Quite right , absolutely nothing constructive to say to you whatsoever . Now you realise that you will have no further need to quote or address me or run the risk of being accused of simply trolling .
You are supposed to be away.......... "Why" ....... are you here posting. !
Hi Don. I don’t think the thread Haysie started is for Remain voters, the forum ( as Haysie stated) is for people to express their views one way or the other, to say this thread is for Brexit voters alone is doing the forum a disservice, and hindering debate.
I respect your opinion on this matter, and as a person who likes a debate, I ask questions of others ( and myself) to gain understanding. Have a pleasant evening.
Hi Tom, I'm only the key holder for two more days don't think my puppy would be happy if I killed her Thread off.
Interesting that you use the word ( alone )
Are you telling me Haysie is not for Remain or Brexit but Neutral ....... his Thread is Pro Remain he shoots down any attempt to justify Brexit in the same way the Bullies do if they don't like what you say on other Threads. OP, Thread is Pro Brexit putting that case anyone can post whatever their views so where's the problem. I was ignored on his Thread, so post on this one. I'm getting on in years so whatever happens in the future will not matter to me, but will my son's and their children, so hope the British Public make the right decision at the poll's. Democracy is lost with the present Government. Nigel must be doing something right if he can ditch Ukip with it's Trojan Horses and start new Party "Brexit" and get that amount of support straight away. Time is the Leveler so vote for you're hero I will vote for Democracy. fwiw
I do not deny that I voted to remain, very very few people are neutral on Brexit.
The thread I started is about Brexit, and not any particular side of the argument.
Much of the debate on the thread has been carried out on a polite and courteous basis.
I am not sure how you define the difference between shooting down arguments, and merely presenting the opposite view.
I suppose that would be a matter of opinion.
I am sorry if you have felt shot down as that was not my intention.
The title of this thread is the Brexit Party.
Obviously not the same as Brexit.
I attempted to enter into a debate yesterday, about how the Brexit Party may affect Brexit.
The next General Election is due in 2022.
The Brexit Party currently has no MPs, despite 7 valiant attempts from Nigel, and a couple from the woman calling herself Rees-Mogg.
All the Brexit decisions will be made in Westminster, and I wondered how the Brexit Party could play an influential role in Brexit with no representation in Parliament.
There have also been a number of posts regarding Brexit Party candidates, which you yourself referred to as colourful.
Yet some leave a lot to be desired, to say the least.
However none of the Brexit Party supporters have been able to address these issues.
The purpose of a forum is to encourage debate, rather than somewhere that people with identical views can gather.
The way in which the public could play a part in the Brexit outcome is via a confirmatory vote on any deal. I will never understand how voting could be undemocratic.
Waiting for the Brexit Party to be able to influence any Parliamentary decision is likely to be too late.
Brexit is quite a complex subject in that not all leave voters agree. Some think that Brexit can only mean leaving without a deal, whilst other leavers would prefer a close relationship with the EU. Some leave voters have said that they would prefer to remain, rather than leave and maintain a close relationship, because this, in their view would mean that it would be pointless leaving.
One thing that has become clear since the referendum is that it was never a simple choice of leave or remain.
Nigel ditched UKIP after it was already dead. Some may say that the same fate awaits the Brexit Party after Brexit is over and done with.
What is the point of a Brexit Party after Brexit?
A vote for the Brexit Party might give you an MEP, who will be unable to affect Brexit, and if you live up north, may be an IRA bombing sympathiser, and Gary Glitter supporter.
Sure you don't need me to cover the questions you raise, you have covered them on your own thread, however the Brexit Party depending on EU result will Morph into proper party should it be necessary to put up Candidates to continue the fight at next General Election. If the existing Government wont listen then we need Party that will.
Before that happens Nigel will supply the answers you require. ie; Candidates & Manifesto.
There is something fundamentally wrong with the Political system if the Elected Party after wake up call, still can't get rid of the worst Prime Minister in History or deliver Democracy to the people. Going round in circles for the last three year not the fault of Leave voters, blame squarely on this Conservative Governments shoulders. People behind the scenes running this show well that is now the voters. Some MP's licking their wounds today what you say you Jacob........
Democracy is where people vote for what they want as a group, not what you (or I) want.
The voters seem rather clueless at the monent. In the Local Elections, they have voted in large numbers for Lib Dems and Greens, ie Remainer parties. Surprised that UKIP (without the Brexit Party in opposition), did as badly as the Conservatives. Fascinated as to how people can say that, because Brexit has been too slow, they decided to protest by voting for, er, Remain Parties. Sometimes I despair of the electorate.
I have little doubt that, in the upcoming European elections they will vote in large numbers for the Brexit Party. I fail to see why that should be more (or less) important than the Local elections.
If people want Brexit to actually happen in the next 3 years (so 6 years since the vote) they need to vote Tory if they want a harder Brexit (and campaign for a new Leader more in tune with that) or Labour if they want a softer Brexit.
People who vote for the Brexit Party might be making a protest, but they are delaying Brexit. In exactly the same way as Remainers. How exactly is Nigel Farage going to achieve Brexit? Short answer, he isn't. No-one seems to notice he has no plan to actually deliver anything. He is saying he will stand in the 2022 General Election and have some policies by 2022 if Brexit not achieved by then. And you think the current lot are slow?
Meanwhile the Right Wing of the Tories will be so busy campaigning for a different party that a new Tory leader more in tune with Brexit Party "policy" (it only has the 1 policy) is much less likely to be someone in tune with them.
Mr Farage is 1 of 14 "Brexit Party" MEPs in the European Parliament. All 14 were elected on a UKIP platform, and have not received a single vote for the Party they represent. Just like "Change" MPs, they lecture us on how undemocratic everything is while being the proud turncoats they are. Hypocrites.
I want to see an end to this. I want us to leave the EU as soon as possible. I just fail to see how the Brexit Party are going to help achieve that.
Democracy is where people vote for what they want as a group, not what you (or I) want.
The voters seem rather clueless at the monent. In the Local Elections, they have voted in large numbers for Lib Dems and Greens, ie Remainer parties. Surprised that UKIP (without the Brexit Party in opposition), did as badly as the Conservatives. Fascinated as to how people can say that, because Brexit has been too slow, they decided to protest by voting for, er, Remain Parties. Sometimes I despair of the electorate.
I have little doubt that, in the upcoming European elections they will vote in large numbers for the Brexit Party. I fail to see why that should be more (or less) important than the Local elections.
If people want Brexit to actually happen in the next 3 years (so 6 years since the vote) they need to vote Tory if they want a harder Brexit (and campaign for a new Leader more in tune with that) or Labour if they want a softer Brexit.
People who vote for the Brexit Party might be making a protest, but they are delaying Brexit. In exactly the same way as Remainers. How exactly is Nigel Farage going to achieve Brexit? Short answer, he isn't. No-one seems to notice he has no plan to actually deliver anything. He is saying he will stand in the 2022 General Election and have some policies by 2022 if Brexit not achieved by then. And you think the current lot are slow?
Meanwhile the Right Wing of the Tories will be so busy campaigning for a different party that a new Tory leader more in tune with Brexit Party "policy" (it only has the 1 policy) is much less likely to be someone in tune with them.
Mr Farage is 1 of 14 "Brexit Party" MEPs in the European Parliament. All 14 were elected on a UKIP platform, and have not received a single vote for the Party they represent. Just like "Change" MPs, they lecture us on how undemocratic everything is while being the proud turncoats they are. Hypocrites.
I want to see an end to this. I want us to leave the EU as soon as possible. I just fail to see how the Brexit Party are going to help achieve that.
But you could go to one of several rallies, I hear? Nice day out, paying for Herr Farage's bar bill..
I'm a remainer and even I want to see an end to this chaos...
But a 'Brexit party' with no real mandate or power-a degree of influence, maybe with a minority of the electorate-is just a delusion
I thought Farage never wanted to set foot in an EU parliament ever again? He must be missing the daily £ allowances to attend meetings he never went to
Mm! Did you play Jacob and watch him squirm at the turncoat caller then blame majority meant his vote was better served to stay with the Party. Do you remember when I advocated leave straight away then negotiate deal you all laughed at me and said, quote; "You'll never make a Politician " no name. They all laughed at Nigel when he said Brexit to the EU so in good company there. You are making the same mistake Remainers did by saying leave voters didn't know what they were voting for. So far from the truth as unlike years ago when if your Dad voted Labour you also voted Labour now with so much information out there youngsters got their own views on things. Loved the caller that said, no conservative party is better than the one we've got. Next few weeks will be interesting .......... but Hey! I don't do Serious.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ So Remain poster, not willing to buy the saviour of Democracy a Beer shame on u.
Hello, Hello, Herr Flick Farage............has left the Nazi Party when he found out " The Madonna " with the big Boobes was a fake. He is now in the Brexit party and eats his Wheatabix which makes Conservatives afraid. He is smarter than a ten year old which cant be said, of this Government.
Don't re-write History Leave voters were the majority.
Democracy is where people vote for what they want as a group, not what you (or I) want.
The voters seem rather clueless at the monent. In the Local Elections, they have voted in large numbers for Lib Dems and Greens, ie Remainer parties. Surprised that UKIP (without the Brexit Party in opposition), did as badly as the Conservatives. Fascinated as to how people can say that, because Brexit has been too slow, they decided to protest by voting for, er, Remain Parties. Sometimes I despair of the electorate.
I have little doubt that, in the upcoming European elections they will vote in large numbers for the Brexit Party. I fail to see why that should be more (or less) important than the Local elections.
If people want Brexit to actually happen in the next 3 years (so 6 years since the vote) they need to vote Tory if they want a harder Brexit (and campaign for a new Leader more in tune with that) or Labour if they want a softer Brexit.
People who vote for the Brexit Party might be making a protest, but they are delaying Brexit. In exactly the same way as Remainers. How exactly is Nigel Farage going to achieve Brexit? Short answer, he isn't. No-one seems to notice he has no plan to actually deliver anything. He is saying he will stand in the 2022 General Election and have some policies by 2022 if Brexit not achieved by then. And you think the current lot are slow?
Meanwhile the Right Wing of the Tories will be so busy campaigning for a different party that a new Tory leader more in tune with Brexit Party "policy" (it only has the 1 policy) is much less likely to be someone in tune with them.
Mr Farage is 1 of 14 "Brexit Party" MEPs in the European Parliament. All 14 were elected on a UKIP platform, and have not received a single vote for the Party they represent. Just like "Change" MPs, they lecture us on how undemocratic everything is while being the proud turncoats they are. Hypocrites.
I want to see an end to this. I want us to leave the EU as soon as possible. I just fail to see how the Brexit Party are going to help achieve that.
I made some comments yesterday regarding the likely influence of the Brexit Part on Brexit.
I listened to some of the debate about the local election results.
I found myself thinking that the results were not about remainer parties increasing their vote due to what they stood for.
They may well be more about people voting for none of the above.
I think the results of the EU elections will go the same way.
The Brexit Party will of course benefit from the none of the above vote, and the votes they gain are more likely to be down to none of the above, than Nigel Farages charisma.
He benefitted from none of the above votes when he was involved in UKIP.
Brexit was probably the result of none of the above votes.
None of the above voting is a major reason why referendums are not a good idea.
If we had another General Election, I think the same would happen, resulting in another Hung Parliament.
The results were extraordinary in that even though the Tories suffered such massive losses, Labour couldn't take advantage.
There were 30,000 spoilt ballot papers, that voters wrote nonsense on.
Is it just bad luck that none of the party leaders have a clue?
Changing the Tory leader will not change the impasse in Parliament.
It is difficult to see how they resolve this mess.
It appears that democracy is inconsistent, as there can be as many votes as you want on some things, but not others.
The type of Brexit we end up with is difficult to imagine, when you take into account that the trading arrangements are in phase 2 of negotiations, The Withdrawal Agreement including the backstop has to be passed, before we reach phase 2, and the Tories will definitely have a new leader.
Don't live in the Past ........ Brexit is the Future go forth Black Adder leave Mrs Baldrick with her cunning plan behind. This Conservative Government is Mirror Image of EU Administration in that they do (what they think) and ignore elected members views. The winds of change are upon us " God bless the Oueen"
Sterling work Goldon ...you do realise though , that even though |I'm home now and for tonight ...I travel down to Devon for the funeral tomorrow and won't be back to extremely late Weds night................overtime @ double time ?
Nigel Farage red faced after falling victim to teenage boy's very rude prank Robin Marshall, 16, tracked down Mr Farage in Plymouth where he was campaigning for the Brexit Party ahead of the European elections
A cheeky teenager who 'hates' Nigel Farage gave his mum more than a surprise when he sent her a video of him pranking the Brexit Party leader. Robin Marshall, 16, tracked down Mr Farage at Valenti's Gelato in Plymouth, under the pretence that he wanted to film a special message for his mum when the politician visited on Thursday afternoon.
After persuading the former UKIP leader to pose for the selfie video, Robin is then seen sticking up his middle finger in Mr Farage's face, Plymouth Live reports.
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Hi Don.
I don’t think the thread Haysie started is for Remain voters, the forum ( as Haysie stated) is for people to express their views one way or the other, to say this thread is for Brexit voters alone is doing the forum a disservice, and hindering debate.
I respect your opinion on this matter, and as a person who likes a debate, I ask questions of others ( and myself) to gain understanding.
Have a pleasant evening.
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Hi Tom, I'm only the key holder for two more days don't think my puppy would be happy if I killed her Thread off.
Interesting that you use the word ( alone )
Are you telling me Haysie is not for Remain or Brexit but Neutral ....... his Thread is Pro Remain he shoots down any attempt to justify Brexit in the same way the Bullies do if they don't like what you say on other Threads. OP, Thread is Pro Brexit putting that case anyone can post whatever their views so where's the problem.
I was ignored on his Thread, so post on this one. I'm getting on in years so whatever happens in the future will not matter to me, but will my son's and their children, so hope the British Public make the right decision at the poll's. Democracy is lost with the present Government. Nigel must be doing something right if he can ditch Ukip with it's Trojan Horses and start new Party "Brexit" and get that amount of support straight away.
Time is the Leveler so vote for you're hero I will vote for Democracy. fwiw
Am I relieved of my duties as Key holder.........
Hi Tom, I'm only the key holder for two more days don't think my puppy would be happy if I killed her Thread off.
Interesting that you use the word ( alone )
Are you telling me Haysie is not for Remain or Brexit but Neutral ....... his Thread is Pro Remain he shoots down any attempt to justify Brexit in the same way the Bullies do if they don't like what you say on other Threads. OP, Thread is Pro Brexit putting that case anyone can post whatever their views so where's the problem.
I was ignored on his Thread, so post on this one. I'm getting on in years so whatever happens in the future will not matter to me, but will my son's and their children, so hope the British Public make the right decision at the poll's. Democracy is lost with the present Government. Nigel must be doing something right if he can ditch Ukip with it's Trojan Horses and start new Party "Brexit" and get that amount of support straight away.
Time is the Leveler so vote for you're hero I will vote for Democracy. fwiw
I do not deny that I voted to remain, very very few people are neutral on Brexit.
The thread I started is about Brexit, and not any particular side of the argument.
Much of the debate on the thread has been carried out on a polite and courteous basis.
I am not sure how you define the difference between shooting down arguments, and merely presenting the opposite view.
I suppose that would be a matter of opinion.
I am sorry if you have felt shot down as that was not my intention.
The title of this thread is the Brexit Party.
Obviously not the same as Brexit.
I attempted to enter into a debate yesterday, about how the Brexit Party may affect Brexit.
The next General Election is due in 2022.
The Brexit Party currently has no MPs, despite 7 valiant attempts from Nigel, and a couple from the woman calling herself Rees-Mogg.
All the Brexit decisions will be made in Westminster, and I wondered how the Brexit Party could play an influential role in Brexit with no representation in Parliament.
There have also been a number of posts regarding Brexit Party candidates, which you yourself referred to as colourful.
Yet some leave a lot to be desired, to say the least.
However none of the Brexit Party supporters have been able to address these issues.
The purpose of a forum is to encourage debate, rather than somewhere that people with identical views can gather.
The way in which the public could play a part in the Brexit outcome is via a confirmatory vote on any deal. I will never understand how voting could be undemocratic.
Waiting for the Brexit Party to be able to influence any Parliamentary decision is likely to be too late.
Brexit is quite a complex subject in that not all leave voters agree. Some think that Brexit can only mean leaving without a deal, whilst other leavers would prefer a close relationship with the EU. Some leave voters have said that they would prefer to remain, rather than leave and maintain a close relationship, because this, in their view would mean that it would be pointless leaving.
One thing that has become clear since the referendum is that it was never a simple choice of leave or remain.
Nigel ditched UKIP after it was already dead. Some may say that the same fate awaits the Brexit Party after Brexit is over and done with.
What is the point of a Brexit Party after Brexit?
A vote for the Brexit Party might give you an MEP, who will be unable to affect Brexit, and if you live up north, may be an IRA bombing sympathiser, and Gary Glitter supporter.
Someone I could never describe as colourful.
Sure you don't need me to cover the questions you raise, you have covered them on your own thread, however the Brexit Party depending on EU result will Morph into proper party should it be necessary to put up Candidates to continue the fight at next General Election. If the existing Government wont listen then we need Party that will.
Before that happens Nigel will supply the answers you require.
ie; Candidates & Manifesto.
Going round in circles for the last three year not the fault of Leave voters, blame squarely on this Conservative Governments shoulders. People behind the scenes running this show well that is now the voters. Some MP's licking their wounds today what you say you Jacob........
The voters seem rather clueless at the monent. In the Local Elections, they have voted in large numbers for Lib Dems and Greens, ie Remainer parties. Surprised that UKIP (without the Brexit Party in opposition), did as badly as the Conservatives. Fascinated as to how people can say that, because Brexit has been too slow, they decided to protest by voting for, er, Remain Parties. Sometimes I despair of the electorate.
I have little doubt that, in the upcoming European elections they will vote in large numbers for the Brexit Party. I fail to see why that should be more (or less) important than the Local elections.
If people want Brexit to actually happen in the next 3 years (so 6 years since the vote) they need to vote Tory if they want a harder Brexit (and campaign for a new Leader more in tune with that) or Labour if they want a softer Brexit.
People who vote for the Brexit Party might be making a protest, but they are delaying Brexit. In exactly the same way as Remainers. How exactly is Nigel Farage going to achieve Brexit? Short answer, he isn't. No-one seems to notice he has no plan to actually deliver anything. He is saying he will stand in the 2022 General Election and have some policies by 2022 if Brexit not achieved by then. And you think the current lot are slow?
Meanwhile the Right Wing of the Tories will be so busy campaigning for a different party that a new Tory leader more in tune with Brexit Party "policy" (it only has the 1 policy) is much less likely to be someone in tune with them.
Mr Farage is 1 of 14 "Brexit Party" MEPs in the European Parliament. All 14 were elected on a UKIP platform, and have not received a single vote for the Party they represent. Just like "Change" MPs, they lecture us on how undemocratic everything is while being the proud turncoats they are. Hypocrites.
I want to see an end to this. I want us to leave the EU as soon as possible. I just fail to see how the Brexit Party are going to help achieve that.
I'm a remainer and even I want to see an end to this chaos...
But a 'Brexit party' with no real mandate or power-a degree of influence, maybe with a minority of the electorate-is just a delusion
I thought Farage never wanted to set foot in an EU parliament ever again? He must be missing the daily £ allowances to attend meetings he never went to
Mm!
Did you play Jacob and watch him squirm at the turncoat caller then blame majority meant his vote was better served to stay with the Party. Do you remember when I advocated leave straight away then negotiate deal you all laughed at me and said, quote; "You'll never make a Politician " no name. They all laughed at Nigel when he said Brexit to the EU so in good company there. You are making the same mistake Remainers did by saying leave voters didn't know what they were voting for. So far from the truth as unlike years ago when if your Dad voted Labour you also voted Labour now with so much information out there youngsters got their own views on things. Loved the caller that said, no conservative party is better than the one we've got.
Next few weeks will be interesting .......... but Hey! I don't do Serious.
So Remain poster, not willing to buy the saviour of Democracy a Beer shame on u.
Hello, Hello, Herr Flick Farage............has left the Nazi Party when he found out " The Madonna " with the big Boobes was a fake. He is now in the Brexit party and eats his Wheatabix which makes Conservatives afraid. He is smarter than a ten year old which cant be said, of this Government.
Don't re-write History Leave voters were the majority.
I made some comments yesterday regarding the likely influence of the Brexit Part on Brexit.
I listened to some of the debate about the local election results.
I found myself thinking that the results were not about remainer parties increasing their vote due to what they stood for.
They may well be more about people voting for none of the above.
I think the results of the EU elections will go the same way.
The Brexit Party will of course benefit from the none of the above vote, and the votes they gain are more likely to be down to none of the above, than Nigel Farages charisma.
He benefitted from none of the above votes when he was involved in UKIP.
Brexit was probably the result of none of the above votes.
None of the above voting is a major reason why referendums are not a good idea.
If we had another General Election, I think the same would happen, resulting in another Hung Parliament.
The results were extraordinary in that even though the Tories suffered such massive losses, Labour couldn't take advantage.
There were 30,000 spoilt ballot papers, that voters wrote nonsense on.
Is it just bad luck that none of the party leaders have a clue?
Changing the Tory leader will not change the impasse in Parliament.
It is difficult to see how they resolve this mess.
It appears that democracy is inconsistent, as there can be as many votes as you want on some things, but not others.
The type of Brexit we end up with is difficult to imagine, when you take into account that the trading arrangements are in phase 2 of negotiations, The Withdrawal Agreement including the backstop has to be passed, before we reach phase 2, and the Tories will definitely have a new leader.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1122977/Brexit-news-Nigel-Farage-European-Parliament-elections-Theresa-May-Peterborough
The winds of change are upon us " God bless the Oueen"
"Who wants to stay in the EU for ever."
Robin Marshall, 16, tracked down Mr Farage in Plymouth where he was campaigning for the Brexit Party ahead of the European elections
A cheeky teenager who 'hates' Nigel Farage gave his mum more than a surprise when he sent her a video of him pranking the Brexit Party leader.
Robin Marshall, 16, tracked down Mr Farage at Valenti's Gelato in Plymouth, under the pretence that he wanted to film a special message for his mum when the politician visited on Thursday afternoon.
After persuading the former UKIP leader to pose for the selfie video, Robin is then seen sticking up his middle finger in Mr Farage's face, Plymouth Live reports.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-red-faced-after-14998047