Self-exclude? Or have a sustained ‘crack ‘at the big boys and girls?

misterpj

Never have, never will be able to convey myself, as intended, that’s a given, metaphorically, ‘cried’ got angry, boiled over with frustration, on many occasions, done the humour ‘ or as mumsie advised’ it’s only banter, on many occasions, my own banter, misunderstood, and vice a versa, also attempted self-parody comedy, and, the very few subject matters elsewhere, never ever been more ‘ passionate, and deadly serious’ but all of that, now going by the wayside.

This purely Poker, nothing else.

Only, and specifically, no limit hold em, and only and specifically, multi table tournaments,
I just checked, my own multi table tournements, I played, no cash, no dyms, just MTT,and that’s a total of, five on Sunday evening, three on Monday evening, and one £5.50 bounty hunter this morning.
That is it, nothing omitted.

The self-exclude pondering is for (thankfully) the Polar opposite reason, than what would be usual.
These hands, are exclusively from, what I have mentioned above, and, for the very very last time, I am bending over backwards, to differentiate, between run bad, and, horrendous mathematically defying ‘head in hands moments’ .
Never, ever, has a ‘moan up’ about run bad or, very good handed, over good hand.

Here is a ‘flavour’

And try to bare in mind, resonating, at the back of my mind, do not play ‘too tight’
Before,anyone,wants to annihilate the first hand, two hours deep, practically on the button, massive pot, ‘jam the turn’ the player themselves to told me, the jam would have been snapped, and unlucky, zero histrionics from me, simple good luck wished.
OH, and before, anyone ‘snap replies’ let me share with you, exact, key moment hands, from every other, of only nine mtts.
I have always found, a certain irony, in some of, both and the best players,here, disagreeing,?
On ,Poker maths, Poker percentages, in the first hand, 78% - 23% in my favour,only the River.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
maddadatho	Small blind		200.00	200.00	10775.00
misterpj	Big blind		400.00	600.00	18010.62
	Your hole cards	J Q
supercrazy	Fold
Oban	Raise		800.00	1400.00	14711.88
chipper406	Fold
dru69	Fold
maddadatho	Fold
misterpj	Call		400.00	1800.00	17610.62
Flop
		9 8 A
misterpj	Bet		400.00	2200.00	17210.62
Oban	Call		400.00	2600.00	14311.88
Turn
		10
misterpj	Check
Oban	Bet		800.00	3400.00	13511.88
misterpj	Raise		2900.00	6300.00	14310.62
Oban	Call		2100.00	8400.00	11411.88
River
		8
misterpj	Bet		400.00	8800.00	13910.62
Oban	Raise		5000.00	13800.00	6411.88
misterpj	Call		4600.00	18400.00	9310.62
Oban	Show	10 10
misterpj	Show	J Q
Oban	Win	Full House, 10s and 8s	18400.00		24811.88

misterpj

The next, key, critical tournament moment, resonating, in my head, on advice from Matt Bates, do not play too tight, so, I don’t any more, when I look down, at a pocket pair, and I flop a set, in a huge pot, when I make the turn as 96% favourite, only one thing can happen on the river, ‘the standard two out getting there. Before, any ‘dare’ suggest, I forget, me doing this, simply, it does not happen, I get slaughtered like this, doing in reverese? Well, one day.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
dingo54	Small blind		50.00	50.00	1495.00
mick122	Big blind		100.00	150.00	3300.00
	Your hole cards	5 5
WesSal1889	Fold
jonyob03	Call		100.00	250.00	2557.50
michae1967	Fold
misterpj	Raise		200.00	450.00	14180.00
dingo54	Call		150.00	600.00	1345.00
mick122	All-in		3300.00	3900.00	0.00
jonyob03	All-in		2557.50	6457.50	0.00
misterpj	Call		3200.00	9657.50	10980.00
dingo54	Fold
mick122	Show	A K
jonyob03	Show	8 8
misterpj	Show	5 5
Flop
		9 3 5
Turn
		10
River
		8
jonyob03	Win	Three 8s	8172.50		8172.50
misterpj	Win	Three 5s	1485.00		12465.00

misterpj

and again, 87% 13% , 'do not play to tight Paul', 87% me,with pocket 99, only the river.

that, is just three hands,I have another dozen (all, as stated) from,nine mtts,all 'destruction hands'

ANd, everyone, all day, just like this ? come on, you would have no players left

Unfortunately, no time left now, running late,I will finish this.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Nippero	Small blind		50.00	50.00	9490.00
MAXALLY	Big blind		100.00	150.00	5727.50
	Your hole cards	9 9
misterpj	Raise		350.00	500.00	3502.50
mcreigh12	Fold
smilin2	Fold
bbMike	Raise		900.00	1400.00	7990.00
Nippero	Fold
MAXALLY	Fold
misterpj	All-in		3502.50	4902.50	0.00
bbMike	Call		2952.50	7855.00	5037.50
misterpj	Show	9 9
bbMike	Show	K A
Flop
		6 10 5
Turn
		5
River
		K
bbMike	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 5s	7855.00		12892.50

TWRAMYEP

2nd hand your a massive dog
3rd hand is a flip

Essexphil

First hand. you put money in when a 46-54 dog, then more money when a 32-68 dog, then more when a 77-23 favourite, then more when a 0-100 dog. Why do you only mention the 1 good one?

You played it well, but were unlucky.

Hand 2. When the money went in you were a 18-82 dog. You really cannot count what happens AFTER the money goes in. That is not Maths.

3rd to go all-in with 55? Not good.

Hand 3. You lost a flip. And?

hhyftrftdr

Self exclude.

bbMike

Hand 1 you start with 18k chips, which is a lot, how did you get these? Why did you min bet the river after raising turn? If you bet more it might have been easier to fold to the raise.

Hand 2 you start with 14k chips, which is a lot, how did you get these? Does Matt Bates advocate loosening up by calling a 30bb 3bet that has already been called ahead of you, with 55? I don’t think he’d win as much as he does if he did.

Hand 3 I was never folding in pre against you as I’d heard you never win them. Gotta find those edges.

rabdeniro

As Partridge would say " Your'e a Mentalist ".

Duesenberg

2 questions...

Do you want to be a good/winning poker player?

If the answer to the above is yes, what do you do away from the tables to improve your game?

misterpj

Duesenburg, well, away from ‘the table’ I might , re look, at a hand (hands exactly like this) which was from late last night, pretty deep in an MTT,to,well analyse, I might, frequently have telephone conversations, with (a) being the prime reason, a ‘fantastic human being’ (b) a true friend (c) one of the most phenomenal winning (sustained) Poker players on the planet, from Canada, lived in Thailand for ages, and a brain the size of the Universe.

I just might, go back to his specific advice, just a ‘few bullet points’ not reams and reams of extreme Poker analysis

In short, for MTTs here (only here, £1.10 - £11.00) applies to six handed, not ring.
Only ever open, with the top 20% of starting hands, insta fold, all and everything else, never EVER, limp, flat pre EVER, the minimum raise (pre) x 4, think about x6, connect with a flop, (well, each to their own after that) for ‘picking a spot’ to make a move, (after the above?) always give huge consideration, to the frequent ‘disconnect’ between the flop, and the turn.

Hhyftrftdr, giving very serious consideration, to exactly, because, (on the assumption you have the brain capacity ?) if, I deposit a very chunky bankroll, and still run exactly, and always, like THIS EXACT ONE EXIT HAND FROM LAST NIGHT ,I am certain sure, I would go skinto.

TWRAMYEP, thanks for such ‘incisive comment’ could not have worked that out, without you, but, you totally ‘missed the point’ which other players (I know get, wont post here) and fair enough, because they only want to agree with me privately.

Final time I will say it, Myna & Engy, total respect, good best of luck, in the future, Myna knows we went deep, in an MTT, yesterday, I folded more the your average Origami Genius, (card dead, no spots) until, zero choice left, had to go with A2 spades, hit AA 22, had made a bit of a comeback, until the two outer hit the river.

Nearly forgot, rabdeniro, how could I forget you?
Mentalist?

Well my dear friend, do you know? Very early on, that was levelled at Marco Johnson; sure you know exactly who he is? in the unlikely event, you do not know, a little help
Marco Caldwell Johnson (born October 25, 1985) professional poker player.

Mean anything to you? , he has won two World Series bracelets,phenomenal online earnings. He got called exactly that, a ‘mentalist’ why? When? , well, it was towards the end, of 2007, he ‘smelt something, just a little bit too toxic’ could not prove it, no chance, until, well, was it a massive mistake to release, what got released, and landed in his lap, or, was it, a very very miffed insider, who had a spectacular fallout,with a co conspirator, and, thought revenge was a dish, best served cold. (like icy babi)

just your 'normal near 80% chance' banjaxed on the river', huge pot,huge spot ,exit hand etc etc (rofl)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
dondon143	Small blind		100.00	100.00	15245.00
DickLFC	Big blind		200.00	300.00	5717.50
	Your hole cards	J Q
Shilo	Raise		400.00	700.00	12660.00
misterpj	Raise		600.00	1300.00	7415.00
JustMUFC	Fold
Tonyzya	Fold
dondon143	Fold
DickLFC	Call		400.00	1700.00	5317.50
Shilo	Call		200.00	1900.00	12460.00
Flop
		10 A K
DickLFC	Check
Shilo	Bet		400.00	2300.00	12060.00
misterpj	Raise		800.00	3100.00	6615.00
DickLFC	Call		800.00	3900.00	4517.50
Shilo	Raise		800.00	4700.00	11260.00
misterpj	Raise		800.00	5500.00	5815.00
DickLFC	Fold
Shilo	Call		400.00	5900.00	10860.00
Turn
		5
Shilo	Check
misterpj	All-in		5815.00	11715.00	0.00
Shilo	Call		5815.00	17530.00	5045.00
Shilo	Show	10 10
misterpj	Show	J Q
River
		10
Shilo	Win	Four 10s	17530.00		22575.00

yuranASSet

Aesthetically, looks like a fold pre. Dynamically, I guess only you will know.

waller02

You need to work on your bet and raise sizings. You often encourage multi way pots which is never ideal.

MattBates

So many questions if you have someone as good as you say you do to advise you. Not sure that a telephone conversation is the best method in this day and age to discuss poker hands at the level you are. A telephone could work if you are discussing high level strategy but its basics you need help with the stop you making so many fundamental errors. Surely its easier to use a method where you can be sending hands and discussing them at the same time. You focus on the bad beats rather than the fundamental errors you make.

Are you showing them the hands you play? Also, a good sample of hands, not just the beats but hands where you show your pre flop action, some of the sort of play you make down the streets. Have they seen your bet sizings eg super small 3bets?

You say I said to play aggressive and use this to justify your play in the 55 hand. On numerous occasions people have said about your sizings. Your raise pre does nothing by raising 1bb and then you call it off with 55.

TheEdge949

Starting hands, raising sizes, stack sizes and position are the 4 to think about constantly.

In your reply to Duesenburg you mentioned 20% of your range, but this is position dependant and assuming an unopened pot surely ?

I would suggest the following

!2-15% utg, 15-18% utg+1, 18-25% co, 25-40% button remembering to RFIP but dont fall in love with it, AND NEVER MINRAISE you're just creating multiway pots which we never want

J Q / K Q / A Q / A K suited may be good to 2.25 / 2.5 / 3x pre but if you get reraised how often are you good? Same with medium pairs.

When you 3 bet it has to send a message along the lines of "I like my holding here, how much do you want to ship my way". Yes sometimes they'll dust off the old 4 ball and blast right back over the top. When that happens then you calculate whether you want to save the rest of your stack or whether you're getting a price to just ship it.

Do you have a plan for each hand or do you just adjust as the streets go by ? I ask because sometimes your bets etc seem to not make sense which is often a green light to opponents to stick around and outdraw you.

Cmom misterpj, we want to see you winning a few.

Mark

misterpj

Morning, the over emotional mentalist here (rofl)

While I continue to ponder,hhyftrft..He good Dr’s kind and heartfelt advice, here is a nice juicy bone, for forum members, readers, especially those, who have not been lobotomized.

I was eleven (11) in 1976, when somehow, a small paperback, came my way, which at the time, ‘transfixed’ me, as I thought’ some of this, Yes, I know, it is a mixture of fact, and fiction, a story, but, here is a freebie, would make a superb movie!!!
’Thirteen against the Bank’
Norman Leigh first published 1976
A humorous account, of a true (fact fiction mix) a gambling adventure-caper, that started in South London, and ultimately led to the Casino Municipal Nice,via other practice-training casinos, a humorous riveting story, of the leader, Norman Leigh,determind to avenge his father’s misfortune, armed with twelve novice players, hence, Thirteen Against The Bank.

in case any,hard of lateral thinkers look in, that is a recommendation,for a funny little read,in a book, you can probably now by for a £1, about a gambling 'caper' in 1966,published 1976, that, with some 'polish, might make a decent movie (that's all)

What makes me chuckle, is the latent hypocrisy, displayed on here.
The poker, math, percentage, probability based, ‘debate’, so, it seems to me, both sides of the debate used, when it suits the argument?! , I call that ‘hypocritical.
And, never mind, debating, like for like, so, the previous evenings ‘smash up hand’ the one posted yesterday, before this was, was my last hand played, at 22.25 pm, Tuesday evening,’ the standard sickening feeling’ between then, and 19.00 yesterday (Wednesday) I bought into, and played a total of ONE, one mtt, zero, nothing else, so I would like to share with you, my exit hand, here it is.For reference, getting on, two hours deep, and the first (only time) I put my tournament life on the line, ( I am loathe to do that, as I know what’s coming !)

But.

Being the helpful chappie I am, here is ‘the full math, for you’
Pre, 52 – 48 too me
Post 75-22-3 to me
Massive ‘shove’ against me here, (for the non-lobotomized) I lay down huge hands, huge draws all the **** time (called playing tight)

I call the huge shove, for my tournament life, and a near 20k pot
Turn barely changes a thing, now no tie, 73 me v 27

My hand happens to feature a pocket pair, it also features an up and down straight draw, my opponent, zip, only over cards, guess the rest.

I know, I am an abysmal Poker player, and should self exclude (rofl babi ROFL)

There will not be, one word, referencing,quality play,great read,fantastic call, not a word,just the usual ( well the usual,from the usual (rofl) ) and probably !, that is ‘just Poker’ and just bad luck, ..except, all day, every day, and twice on Sundays.

Reference last two hands, I could post my AA cracked on the River (again) but futile .

have an estupendo day

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Chris	Small blind		150.00	150.00	15730.00
rossifumi	Big blind		300.00	450.00	8625.00
	Your hole cards	3 3
Ricooo	Call		300.00	750.00	11177.50
michea1961	Fold
misterpj	Call		300.00	1050.00	9186.25
The_Chris	Call		150.00	1200.00	15580.00
rossifumi	Raise		1500.00	2700.00	7125.00
Ricooo	Fold
misterpj	Call		1500.00	4200.00	7686.25
The_Chris	Fold
Flop
		6 5 4
rossifumi	All-in		7125.00	11325.00	0.00
misterpj	All-in		7686.25	19011.25	0.00
misterpj	Unmatched bet		561.25	18450.00	561.25
rossifumi	Show	J A
misterpj	Show	3 3
Turn
		5
River
		6
rossifumi	Win	Two Pairs, 6s and 5s	18450.00		18450.00

Vince_107

Just looking at the first hand it'd be interesting to know your thought process on each street.
Preflop is obviously fine
Flop: What is your reason for leading?
Turn: What is your reason for going for a check-raise rather than betting? (not saying it's wrong) Also what is your reason for the size you raised to?... what hands are you looking to be called by? Does it look like you could be bluffing?
River: What is your reason for leading? What is the reason for your (very small) sizing? Are you hoping to get raised? Is it a 'blocker bet'? What hands are you targeting?

These are all questions you need to be thnking about every time you make a decision, taking into account the possible hands your opponent(s) can have and all of the possible hands it looks like you could have to your opponent

TheEdge949

Ok my twopenneth on this hand.

Why did you limp ?

Do we consider 3 3 to be ahead of the big blinds raising range with 3 limpers ?

What do you think his all in is saying to you ?

I know you have bottom pair with an open ender but I think that to call the all in you really need top pr oe or an oe flush draw.

However as in so many of your hands its the weak opening that allows you to become exploitable. For me it should have been 2.5 / 3.25 raise or fold. Once there's 3 callers and the bb raises 5x I'm out, take notes and wait for a better spot.

Not a criticism, merely an observation.

Mark

misterpj

' Mark' I should not do this? Public forum and all that, mentalist, really? I actually believe, U really do, a foodbank,thankfully,not something I use,BUT, I give,a lot ( gave alot,with f all) gave give,chunks,with a little bit,tell ya what ( I will get slaughtered) my choice? Waitrose, was Edenbridge,now Oxted, Waitrose has 'God's Hand' foodbank donation,I have seen, the 'seering embarasment' of WORKING folk, can't, dare not go anymore,personally,I do not give a FK, what the forum thinks.,ie, I got thanked ( today) by a female minister, who is better than me,in a finger nail clipping,than my entire life! For my, ' help,kindness,etc, I am the one,telling the' women' sexist I know,(foodbank) do not be naive,...either U get that? Or not? Mentalist? Fantasist? Really? I joke,I self depricate,.and I do not give a!!!! Argue about poker tomorrow,..... if U do,and I believe U, on the basis U do, what U say, done the clubs ( DONE much more than that) worked Faslane,lived AUS,lived elswhewr,multiple,got 2 daughters,2 granddaughters financially set for lifen ( and every day) every single day,just like TODAY, I see, vile junkie shite, up close,personal,been their,seen it,done it, and bundles bundles more,truth, arguing about poker,is simply a light distraction.

misterpj

' working folk' too embarrased to go, ' gods hand' Waitrose iniciitive, I gave planty,when skinto,and chunks now minto, see, the PURE wel meaning, but 'nieve' folk,try there best,

misterpj

I know, I can't spell ( terrible,horrific,I must be lobotomized) dellusional,Fantaist,Mentalist! I wish,see Spice 'trauma' everywhere,HMP 1 year,cost to taxpayer,50k

TheEdge949

misterpj said:

' Mark' I should not do this? Public forum and all that, mentalist, really? I actually believe, U really do, a foodbank,thankfully,not something I use,BUT, I give,a lot ( gave alot,with f all) gave give,chunks,with a little bit,tell ya what ( I will get slaughtered) my choice? Waitrose, was Edenbridge,now Oxted, Waitrose has 'God's Hand' foodbank donation,I have seen, the 'seering embarasment' of WORKING folk, can't, dare not go anymore,personally,I do not give a FK, what the forum thinks.,ie, I got thanked ( today) by a female minister, who is better than me,in a finger nail clipping,than my entire life! For my, ' help,kindness,etc, I am the one,telling the' women' sexist I know,(foodbank) do not be naive,...either U get that? Or not? Mentalist? Fantasist? Really? I joke,I self depricate,.and I do not give a!!!! Argue about poker tomorrow,..... if U do,and I believe U, on the basis U do, what U say, done the clubs ( DONE much more than that) worked Faslane,lived AUS,lived elswhewr,multiple,got 2 daughters,2 granddaughters financially set for lifen ( and every day) every single day,just like TODAY, I see, vile junkie shite, up close,personal,been their,seen it,done it, and bundles bundles more,truth, arguing about poker,is simply a light distraction.

Erm, Ok. I really have no idea what points you're trying to make. I simply thought you were seeking advice on the state of your game. Obviously not.

I am also happy that you are financially set for life personally Ill be happy if I shuffle off the mortal coil with enough banked to pay for the petrol the box and the matches.

You obviously have some form of life issues and I really hope and pray that you dont get all bitter and twisted about the world, remember to not take life too seriously its not like anybody gets out alive.

Rungood, be happy, God bless.

Mark