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The Ashes

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Allan23 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Allan23 said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Allan23 said:

    It’s more likely to be 2-2 than 1-1 or 0-0 but how does that still make it more likely to be 2-2 than a draw overall? @HAYSIE

    Not sure what you mean by a draw overall?
    A series draw, so 0-0, 1-1 or 2-2, is somehow less likely to happen than exactly 2-2? Probably just an anomaly as tikay points. I still don’t really understand the reasoning though

    All those examples refer to series draws.
    So 0-0 means no result in all 5 tests, and therefore the least likely.
    1-1 means no result in 3 tests, and although more likely than 0-0, still unlikely.
    The shortest odds are for 2-2, which means getting a result in 4 out of 5 tests.
    The bookies obviously think that getting a result in nearly all the tests is much more likely than none, or a small number of them.
    Still don’t understand the logic. Of course, with how cricket has gone in the last few years, combined with some dodgy batting and English conditions, results in 4 games out of 5 is far more likely than results in 2 games or zero. How does that make the combined likelihood of 0-0, 1-1, 2-2 less than that of just 1 of those results?

    Forget everything I have said.
    I clearly haven't got a clue.
    I have just had a look on Skybet.
    They do seem to be offering 13/2 for the draw, and only 11/2 for 2-2.
    This wouldn't seem to make any sense.
    Ladbrokes go 11/2 the draw, and 6/1 for 2-2, which makes more sense, although maybe not very generous.

    I suppose that this is because the 0-0, and 1-1, are so extremely unlikely.
  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited August 2019
    HAYSIE said:


    Has a test series ever ended 0-0?

    Perhaps somewhere during the monsoon season.

    To add to the previous post - For 5 test series only, there have been four 0-0 draws in history.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60364.html - The first one between India and Pakistan in 1955. Those scorecards look as though it was the most exciting 0-0 test series you will ever see.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60388.html - India v Pakistan, 1960/61

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60400.html - India v England, 1964

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60438.html - WI v NZ, 1972. Looks like a bunch of pretty high scoring draws in this one, for the most part.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576

    Coming from @HAYSIE, words we rarely expect but often suspect;

    Forget everything I have said.
    I clearly haven't got a clue.

  • Allan23Allan23 Member Posts: 876
    I’ve confused myself with this one too. Can we have an expert on the case?!
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576

    Meanwhile, back at the coal face, Australia won the toss and will bat first.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited August 2019
    I'm guessing Australia will fancy being 100+ without loss at lunch, whilst England will be looking for something like 60/4.

    Anyone fancy predicting what the score will be at lunch?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    EvilPingu said:

    HAYSIE said:


    Has a test series ever ended 0-0?

    Perhaps somewhere during the monsoon season.

    To add to the previous post - For 5 test series only, there have been four 0-0 draws in history.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60364.html - The first one between India and Pakistan in 1955. Those scorecards look as though it was the most exciting 0-0 test series you will ever see.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60388.html - India v Pakistan, 1960/61

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60400.html - India v England, 1964

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60438.html - WI v NZ, 1972. Looks like a bunch of pretty high scoring draws in this one, for the most part.
    I didn't think there would have been many, seemingly none in almost 50 years, and obviously reflected in the odds.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Allan23 said:

    I’ve confused myself with this one too. Can we have an expert on the case?!

    I think it is a mistake.

    If you checked a few bookies, I am sure that the majority would be slightly longer on 2-2 than the draw.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    Tikay10 said:


    Coming from @HAYSIE, words we rarely expect but often suspect;

    Forget everything I have said.
    I clearly haven't got a clue.

    Very harsh.
  • pompeynicpompeynic Member Posts: 2,834
    80 for 3, only if you review the right way round
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    pompeynic said:

    80 for 3, only if you review the right way round

    Well yes, failed to review one which was clearly out, then wasted a review on one which was always too high.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576

    BOOM
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    edited August 2019
    Ha, then Warner walks, fails to review and it's then shown he was not out.

    Scoreboard does not lie though, Australia 2/1
  • pompeynicpompeynic Member Posts: 2,834
    Bancroft looks a right LBW candidate. Nerves aplenty as Warner doesn’t use a review that would have saved him.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,576
    pompeynic said:

    Bancroft looks a right LBW candidate. Nerves aplenty as Warner doesn’t use a review that would have saved him.

    Justice really, he should have been out caught behind in the first over.
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 7,933
    Might be a silly question but instead of teams having a set number of reviews,why do the umpires not use the technology available for every debatable decision ?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,827
    EvilPingu said:

    HAYSIE said:


    Has a test series ever ended 0-0?

    Perhaps somewhere during the monsoon season.

    To add to the previous post - For 5 test series only, there have been four 0-0 draws in history.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60364.html - The first one between India and Pakistan in 1955. Those scorecards look as though it was the most exciting 0-0 test series you will ever see.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60388.html - India v Pakistan, 1960/61

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60400.html - India v England, 1964

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60438.html - WI v NZ, 1972. Looks like a bunch of pretty high scoring draws in this one, for the most part.



    There have been over 4,500 tests played, so on the basis of 5 tests per series, even though some are less, that means over 900 series, and therefore a very small percentage.

    Another factor is that the last 4 day tests were played in 1973.

    So the extra day probably makes any draw less likely, and 0-0 in a series almost impossible, as the records would seem to show.



  • pompeynicpompeynic Member Posts: 2,834
    Totally unrelated to the topics discussed, but, one review one wicket included, to only bowl five overs in the first half hour is diabolical. If you want test cricket to survive and thrive they have to do something about this. Cheating the paying public every single day.
  • pompeynicpompeynic Member Posts: 2,834
    Great start as the second of the three sandpaper convicts falls to Broad. This is the test match, right here, get Smith early and England will be well ahead of the game.
  • pompeynicpompeynic Member Posts: 2,834
    edited August 2019
    Travis Head comes to the wicket, other than Smith, he looks the best of Australia’s other batsmen. Compact, unhurried and just has the look of one of those old style middle order mongrels that they used to have. Would like to break this partnership before lunch.
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