Election debate row As the Lib Dems and the Scottish National Party go to the High Court today to challenge ITV's decision not to include them in the party leaders' election debate, the Times makes the case for an independent commission to be set up to run the debates. It wants the debates to be separated from what it calls the whims of the politicians and broadcasters. Even if the debates themselves prove less than edifying, the cause of democratic argument will be advanced, it suggests.
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Gove 'lying' about EU citizens' NHS rights to gain votes Opponents say remarks are ploy based on xenophobia to win Labour leave marginals
“EU citizens do not have automatic rights to health systems in EU states. In the first three months, you are treated like a tourist with no rights, and after three months, unless you are are working or are self-sufficient, then you have no rights to the NHS,” said Hatton.
EU free movement rules are designed to enable easy movement of workers around the bloc and reciprocal health arrangements have enabled around 1.2m British nationals to settle in the EU with access to national healthcare.
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Moraes said: “Gove is lying and I think they are going to continue lying for the campaign. The line that Gove used about ‘paying into’ the NHS is really an old-style racist trope and is designed to target Labour marginals where the vote is about leave or remain. “You can’t pay into the NHS even if you wanted to. Michael Gove knows only too well that free movement is the new immigration and if you can conflate the two and throw in something about Aussie-style points system, you are saying to voters: ‘We will control EU migration, all the millions of “EU wasters”. We’re blocking them and the only brown and black people who come in will be heart surgeons or tech people.’ That’s the psychology of this, and it’s lethal.”
Indeed. There wont be anybody left to vote for. All these new candidates standing across the U.K. need vetting. That could take years,there’s only three+ weeks😬
There seems to be very little choice, partucularly amongst the leaders.
The Lib Dems must be absolutely deluded to think that they can get an overall majority and implement their revoke policy on Brexit. Their original Brexit aim was a second referendum, the only way that they could possibly achieve this is via a Labour coalition, yet they have completely ruled this out. Their other policies seem pointless, as it seems impossible that they will get a majority.
The Tories enthusiastically point out everything that is wrong with our country, but seem to lose sight of the fact that they have presided over the decline. They have been in power for 10 years, and got shot of the 20,000 police officers that they now want to replace, increase NHS spending to around the average since its inception, ignoring their neglect resulting in the worst stats since records began, they wish to row back on the austerity measures that they implemented, redress the Local Authority cuts that they are responsible for, and build some new houses at last.
Jimmy Krankie and the SNP, are odd in that their main aim is Scottish Independence, and you would think that their best chance of achieving this would be for us to leave the EU. Yet they support remain, and favour a second referendum. In the 2014 independence referendum, the threat of being kicked out of the EU, very probably influenced the no vote. It is therefore very difficult to understand their position.
That means that I can only vote for Labour. That seems fine, except for the fact that I cant stand Jeremy Corbyn, because I think that he is an absolutely pathetic leader. Their spending plans scare the sh1t out of me, and have no wish for us to resemble Venezuela. They seem to have a number of ten year plans yet they currently look unlikely to win one election let alone two. Some of their policies dont seem to make any sense, like a four day week. It has been widely publicised that NHS workers are currently working one million hours per week in unpaid overtime. This may seem reasonable as they have a million workers, so it would just mean one hour each, but they are short of 100,000 nurses, and to reduce everyones hours to 32 per week, would cost a fortune, and require at least 20% more staff on top of filling the current vacancies.
This should be on the amnesia thread. There was a small case of a £136.6billion bailout for the banks. It wasn’t just the force that took a hit, plenty of civil service workers lost their jobs. I wouldn’t like to try and balance the books after that crisis. There will never be enough money to address all concerns, plain and simple. It’s taken 5 years to fill 50% of the potholes in around my way. NHS is a black hole, as I’ve said before. It’s finding funding to keep it “ ticking over” imo. Incidentally, I had an endoscopy yesterday morning. All in all took about 2 hrs, not bad. But,the same problem as “ I see it” arose as it did two years ago, when I was admitted for seven days. This nurse was going through a form I had filled out, and I could barely decipher a word she said. Quite frustrating for both of us, I think she might have been African. Not too concerning on this occasion, but for my stay in hospital 2 years ago, opposite me in the ward were three elderly fellas. They were more likely a bit hard of hearing, but my hearing is A1, and I couldn’t decipher what the doctors and nurses were saying. I was in for something relatively minor, but these elderly fellas had major operations. The conversations were stressing them out, so they told the doctors and nurses to “ just go away”. Good communication between doctor/ nurse and patient is important for various reasons,especially when it comes to medications. I think there needs to be a certain standard of English spoken in hospitals, even that could speed things up. Not all patients are English speaking, obv. It’s the accent.
Several sketch writers are scathing about the efforts of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and Liberal Democrats leader Jo Swinson to woo employers at the CBI conference. Quentin Letts in The Times writes that the prime minister's anecdotes "tickled little gaiety from the suits", while the Labour leader "went down even worse". The Guardian's John Crace disagrees, writing: "Corbyn was greeted with mere indifference. Which is to say he went down a storm compared with Johnson". Michael Deacon, for the Daily Telegraph, says "all three were practically buried beneath an avalanche of tumbleweed" and notes that both "the corporate fat cat and the man in the street" appear to be "utterly bored out of their brains" with the election so far. Bad news then as Mr Corbyn and Mr Johnson approach their first televised leadership debate, which is eagerly anticipated by the Sun. Under the headline "Corbynquisition", it sets out four questions that Mr Johnson has demanded his opponent answer on Tuesday night, challenging him to make his position clear on Brexit and immigration.
The i offers 20 questions of its own for each man, on a range of subjects from climate change to Scottish independence. Elsewhere in politics, the Independent online issues a call to young people to register to vote, after discovering that 9.5 million eligible adults are missing from the electoral roll. It says that figure includes a third of teenagers. It says "everyone's voice should be heard" in an election which, it points out, will "decide the fate of Brexit and the country". HuffPost UK reveals that Labour will make a manifesto pledge to investigate the legacies of British colonialism. The review, it says, will examine human rights abuses committed under "British imperial rule".
General election: Tough crowd for Jeremy Corbyn as he meets hilariously grumpy baby While fans of Jeremy Corbyn were delighted to meet him after his speech in Lancaster today, one little baby seemed less than impressed to meet the Labour leader
This should be on the amnesia thread. There was a small case of a £136.6billion bailout for the banks. It wasn’t just the force that took a hit, plenty of civil service workers lost their jobs. I wouldn’t like to try and balance the books after that crisis. There will never be enough money to address all concerns, plain and simple. It’s taken 5 years to fill 50% of the potholes in around my way. NHS is a black hole, as I’ve said before. It’s finding funding to keep it “ ticking over” imo. Incidentally, I had an endoscopy yesterday morning. All in all took about 2 hrs, not bad. But,the same problem as “ I see it” arose as it did two years ago, when I was admitted for seven days. This nurse was going through a form I had filled out, and I could barely decipher a word she said. Quite frustrating for both of us, I think she might have been African. Not too concerning on this occasion, but for my stay in hospital 2 years ago, opposite me in the ward were three elderly fellas. They were more likely a bit hard of hearing, but my hearing is A1, and I couldn’t decipher what the doctors and nurses were saying. I was in for something relatively minor, but these elderly fellas had major operations. The conversations were stressing them out, so they told the doctors and nurses to “ just go away”. Good communication between doctor/ nurse and patient is important for various reasons,especially when it comes to medications. I think there needs to be a certain standard of English spoken in hospitals, even that could speed things up. Not all patients are English speaking, obv. It’s the accent.
I think that there is widespread support for the idea that the Tories austerity measures went too far. Many people feel that the austerity measures led to the Brexit vote. We are currently paying 7% of GDP, in respect of interest on our debt. This is more than our total spend on the NHS, or Defence, or Education. Yet both the main parties plan to spend money like its going out of fashion.
For sure the Tories should have upped the spending over the last few years. George Osborne predicted that the public would make a profit eventually from the bank bailouts. But it’s more likely it will be a substantial loss. I think interest rates should have gone up years ago, with then room to cut if any disaster to the economy occurred. Historically, the rates are out of kilter. Pump money into the economy, get it moving around,seems to be the new norm. The housing market is so sensitive to rate rises,which ties the hands of the Bank of England. Borrow to invest, borrow to invest. Sod the savers!
For sure the Tories should have upped the spending over the last few years. George Osborne predicted that the public would make a profit eventually from the bank bailouts. But it’s more likely it will be a substantial loss. I think interest rates should have gone up years ago, with then room to cut if any disaster to the economy occurred. Historically, the rates are out of kilter. Pump money into the economy, get it moving around,seems to be the new norm. The housing market is so sensitive to rate rises,which ties the hands of the Bank of England. Borrow to invest, borrow to invest. Sod the savers!
No the Tories haven't upped the spending in the last few years. They are promising to up the spending because of the election. They have cut back on the police, increasing crime, and solving less. They have not invested in the NHS, resulting in the worst stats since records began. The have cut back on education, resulting in schools having whip rounds for books. They have cut back on Local Authority funding by over 30%, resulting in drastic cut backs to services, like your potholes, although they would probably not be seen as the most important result of the cuts. They have cut benefits hitting the poorest badly.
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As the Lib Dems and the Scottish National Party go to the High Court today to challenge ITV's decision not to include them in the party leaders' election debate, the Times makes the case for an independent commission to be set up to run the debates.
It wants the debates to be separated from what it calls the whims of the politicians and broadcasters.
Even if the debates themselves prove less than edifying, the cause of democratic argument will be advanced, it suggests.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50455087
Entrepreneur says she is ‘collateral damage’ from controversy while ‘unaffected’ PM refuses to speak to her
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-relationship-secrets-itv-a9206076.html
Opponents say remarks are ploy based on xenophobia to win Labour leave marginals
“EU citizens do not have automatic rights to health systems in EU states. In the first three months, you are treated like a tourist with no rights, and after three months, unless you are are working or are self-sufficient, then you have no rights to the NHS,” said Hatton.
EU free movement rules are designed to enable easy movement of workers around the bloc and reciprocal health arrangements have enabled around 1.2m British nationals to settle in the EU with access to national healthcare.
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Moraes said: “Gove is lying and I think they are going to continue lying for the campaign. The line that Gove used about ‘paying into’ the NHS is really an old-style racist trope and is designed to target Labour marginals where the vote is about leave or remain.
“You can’t pay into the NHS even if you wanted to. Michael Gove knows only too well that free movement is the new immigration and if you can conflate the two and throw in something about Aussie-style points system, you are saying to voters: ‘We will control EU migration, all the millions of “EU wasters”. We’re blocking them and the only brown and black people who come in will be heart surgeons or tech people.’ That’s the psychology of this, and it’s lethal.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/17/gove-lying-about-eu-citizens-rights-to-use-nhs-to-gain-votes
There wont be anybody left to vote for.
All these new candidates standing across the U.K. need vetting.
That could take years,there’s only three+ weeks😬
The Lib Dems must be absolutely deluded to think that they can get an overall majority and implement their revoke policy on Brexit.
Their original Brexit aim was a second referendum, the only way that they could possibly achieve this is via a Labour coalition, yet they have completely ruled this out.
Their other policies seem pointless, as it seems impossible that they will get a majority.
The Tories enthusiastically point out everything that is wrong with our country, but seem to lose sight of the fact that they have presided over the decline. They have been in power for 10 years, and got shot of the 20,000 police officers that they now want to replace, increase NHS spending to around the average since its inception, ignoring their neglect resulting in the worst stats since records began, they wish to row back on the austerity measures that they implemented, redress the Local Authority cuts that they are responsible for, and build some new houses at last.
Jimmy Krankie and the SNP, are odd in that their main aim is Scottish Independence, and you would think that their best chance of achieving this would be for us to leave the EU. Yet they support remain, and favour a second referendum.
In the 2014 independence referendum, the threat of being kicked out of the EU, very probably influenced the no vote.
It is therefore very difficult to understand their position.
That means that I can only vote for Labour.
That seems fine, except for the fact that I cant stand Jeremy Corbyn, because I think that he is an absolutely pathetic leader. Their spending plans scare the sh1t out of me, and have no wish for us to resemble Venezuela. They seem to have a number of ten year plans yet they currently look unlikely to win one election let alone two. Some of their policies dont seem to make any sense, like a four day week. It has been widely publicised that NHS workers are currently working one million hours per week in unpaid overtime. This may seem reasonable as they have a million workers, so it would just mean one hour each, but they are short of 100,000 nurses, and to reduce everyones hours to 32 per week, would cost a fortune, and require at least 20% more staff on top of filling the current vacancies.
There was a small case of a £136.6billion bailout for the banks.
It wasn’t just the force that took a hit, plenty of civil service workers lost their jobs.
I wouldn’t like to try and balance the books after that crisis.
There will never be enough money to address all concerns, plain and simple.
It’s taken 5 years to fill 50% of the potholes in around my way.
NHS is a black hole, as I’ve said before. It’s finding funding to keep it “ ticking over” imo.
Incidentally, I had an endoscopy yesterday morning. All in all took about 2 hrs, not bad.
But,the same problem as “ I see it” arose as it did two years ago, when I was admitted for seven days.
This nurse was going through a form I had filled out, and I could barely decipher a word she said.
Quite frustrating for both of us, I think she might have been African.
Not too concerning on this occasion, but for my stay in hospital 2 years ago, opposite me in the ward were three elderly fellas.
They were more likely a bit hard of hearing, but my hearing is A1, and I couldn’t decipher what the doctors and nurses were saying.
I was in for something relatively minor, but these elderly fellas had major operations.
The conversations were stressing them out, so they told the doctors and nurses to “ just go away”.
Good communication between doctor/ nurse and patient is important for various reasons,especially when it comes to medications.
I think there needs to be a certain standard of English spoken in hospitals, even that could speed things up.
Not all patients are English speaking, obv.
It’s the accent.
'Corbynquisition'
Several sketch writers are scathing about the efforts of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and Liberal Democrats leader Jo Swinson to woo employers at the CBI conference.
Quentin Letts in The Times writes that the prime minister's anecdotes "tickled little gaiety from the suits", while the Labour leader "went down even worse".
The Guardian's John Crace disagrees, writing: "Corbyn was greeted with mere indifference. Which is to say he went down a storm compared with Johnson".
Michael Deacon, for the Daily Telegraph, says "all three were practically buried beneath an avalanche of tumbleweed" and notes that both "the corporate fat cat and the man in the street" appear to be "utterly bored out of their brains" with the election so far.
Bad news then as Mr Corbyn and Mr Johnson approach their first televised leadership debate, which is eagerly anticipated by the Sun. Under the headline "Corbynquisition", it sets out four questions that Mr Johnson has demanded his opponent answer on Tuesday night, challenging him to make his position clear on Brexit and immigration.
The i offers 20 questions of its own for each man, on a range of subjects from climate change to Scottish independence.
Elsewhere in politics, the Independent online issues a call to young people to register to vote, after discovering that 9.5 million eligible adults are missing from the electoral roll. It says that figure includes a third of teenagers. It says "everyone's voice should be heard" in an election which, it points out, will "decide the fate of Brexit and the country".
HuffPost UK reveals that Labour will make a manifesto pledge to investigate the legacies of British colonialism. The review, it says, will examine human rights abuses committed under "British imperial rule".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50468558
General election: Tough crowd for Jeremy Corbyn as he meets hilariously grumpy baby
While fans of Jeremy Corbyn were delighted to meet him after his speech in Lancaster today, one little baby seemed less than impressed to meet the Labour leader
Many people feel that the austerity measures led to the Brexit vote.
We are currently paying 7% of GDP, in respect of interest on our debt.
This is more than our total spend on the NHS, or Defence, or Education.
Yet both the main parties plan to spend money like its going out of fashion.
George Osborne predicted that the public would make a profit eventually from the bank bailouts.
But it’s more likely it will be a substantial loss.
I think interest rates should have gone up years ago, with then room to cut if any disaster to the economy occurred.
Historically, the rates are out of kilter. Pump money into the economy, get it moving around,seems to be the new norm.
The housing market is so sensitive to rate rises,which ties the hands of the Bank of England.
Borrow to invest, borrow to invest. Sod the savers!
They are promising to up the spending because of the election.
They have cut back on the police, increasing crime, and solving less.
They have not invested in the NHS, resulting in the worst stats since records began.
The have cut back on education, resulting in schools having whip rounds for books.
They have cut back on Local Authority funding by over 30%, resulting in drastic cut backs to services, like your potholes, although they would probably not be seen as the most important result of the cuts.
They have cut benefits hitting the poorest badly.